1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 14 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 389       Contents:@ Re: Any Way to Validate Username & Password from an Application? bypass ds20e OCP faulty module Cleaning up DEC-C includes Re: Cleaning up DEC-C includes; EXPLORE the thousands of Possibilities of Job Opportunities  Re: Floating point questions Re: Floating point questions( Re: OPCDEF.H question on usage (openSSL)1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing 1 RE: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing  PCI-IDE Interface for Alphas Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? RE: SSL for SMTP tests ? Re: SSL for SMTP tests ?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?& Re: The possibility of vms opening up?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:28:17 +0100 ) From: Tom Wade <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie> I Subject: Re: Any Way to Validate Username & Password from an Application? 0 Message-ID: <44B79BF1.1020402@picard.eurokom.ie>  C > SYS$GETUAI (SALT and Algorithm and encrypted password value) and  C > SYS$HASH_PASSWORD toe generate the encrypted password value using B > the SALT and algorithm with the password text you query for when > wanting to validate the user.   A It's very important to call the $SCAN_INTRUSION system service as D well, if the username and password are coming from something like anA Internet web form.  Otherwise, somebody can come up with a script A which will try to guess passwords by brute force ($SCAN_INTRUSION % is called automatically by LOGINOUT).   @ The program in ftp://picard.eurokom.ie/setpass.zip includes code" to validate a username & password.  9 --------------------------------------------------------- @ Tom Wade                 | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie3 EuroKom                  | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696 3 A2, Nutgrove Office Park | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697 L Rathfarnham              | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer            G Dublin 14                | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"  Ireland    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:01:20 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> ' Subject: bypass ds20e OCP faulty module 5 Message-ID: <e97thv$78k$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   7 Is there a way to get my ds20e running by bypassing the 6 ocp module on the box where the halt button is staying on permanently?    Thanks in advance, Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:09:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Cleaning up DEC-C includes , Message-ID: <44B73507.F0203037@teksavvy.com>  I I seem to have mismatched version of the C compiler includes on my nodes.   C This is on a node that used to have VAXC. But I have eliminated the E VAXC$COMPILER as well as changed the CC command to one which was on a 9 node which never had VAXC (to eliminate the VAXC option).   1 But I find out that I still have some vaxC stuff:   , $ dir/nohead $disk1:[vms$common...]starlet.h= $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]STARLET.H;1 ? $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C]STARLET.H;1 2 $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB.VAXC$INCLUDE]STARLET.H;1  6 (this, on top of all the .TLBs which have copies too).  F Is it OK to delete the whole SYSLIB.VAXC$INCLUDE directory and all the* files in it ? They seem to be very old ???    D More importantly, the files on this node seemed to have been createdE locally (probably during some upgrade from 5.5-2 to 6.1 to 7.2) while E files on a "fresh" node were created on some other node (probably VMS  engineering).   2 *************************************************/= /* Created: 22-OCT-1999 03:12:32 by OpenVMS SDL EV1-33     */   /* Source:  22-OCT-1999 03:02:31- VELO$DUA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.CC060]STARLET.SDI;1 */ P /*******************************************************************************   versus:   2 *************************************************/= /* Created: 13-NOV-1998 22:50:58 by OpenVMS SDL EV1-33     */ H /* Source:  13-NOV-1998 22:46:58 _$11$DUA920:[BUILD.SDL]STARLET.SDI;1 */    E There are differences between those files (notably opcdef.h which has 5 caused me grief) with the 1998 ones seemingly better.   E Are there any guidelines on how to normalise all the bloody copies of C the C includes ? And why are there two nearly identical directories # (DECC$RTLDEF and SYS$STARLET ????)    E And is there a way to ensure the compiler looks only in the .TLBs top C narrow down the locations where includes are actually used and thus G greatly reduce debugging times where there are different versions of an  include file laying around ?  " (This is DECC 6.0-001 VAX-VMS 7.2)   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 10:33:49 +0200/ From: huber@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) ' Subject: Re: Cleaning up DEC-C includes + Message-ID: <Wd2CLtsMGE2l@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   \ In article <44B73507.F0203037@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:K > I seem to have mismatched version of the C compiler includes on my nodes. E > This is on a node that used to have VAXC. But I have eliminated the G > VAXC$COMPILER as well as changed the CC command to one which was on a ; > node which never had VAXC (to eliminate the VAXC option). 3 > But I find out that I still have some vaxC stuff: . > $ dir/nohead $disk1:[vms$common...]starlet.h? > $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]STARLET.H;1 A > $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C]STARLET.H;1 4 > $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB.VAXC$INCLUDE]STARLET.H;1 > 8 > (this, on top of all the .TLBs which have copies too). > H > Is it OK to delete the whole SYSLIB.VAXC$INCLUDE directory and all the, > files in it ? They seem to be very old ???  L The DECC$LIB.REFERENCE files are the files extracted from the *.TLB files at> compiler installation time, optional, and for reference only. E DECC never uses them unless explicitly asked to (via /INCLUDE or some  DECC$*INCLUDE* logical).O You can safely delete all of them (and re-install with a newer compiler version 
 if You wish).   O The VAXC$INCLUDE files can probably also be deleted since You removed the VAX C 2 compiler (but I no longer have a VAX to test it ).    --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 04:17:02 -0700  From: "elin" <elinioj@gmail.com>D Subject: EXPLORE the thousands of Possibilities of Job OpportunitiesB Message-ID: <1152875822.561073.68370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  ? Ozfree Job Search provides an employment and job search listing A opportunity in Australia. Post resumes and let employers with job  openings find you.  : Post Your Resume and APPLY for the Job Position you Desire   Please Visit our site at..  http://www.ozfreeonline.com/jobs  ; EXPLORE the thousands of Possibilities of Job Opportunities    Thank You Very Much    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:12:35 -0700 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>% Subject: Re: Floating point questions : Message-ID: <RradnYZhWoRa3irZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Carl Friedberg wrote:    (snip)  M > Packed decimal is definitely of IBM origin, but was fully supported on VAXn J > of the 780/750 era. Beginning with MicroVAX II, the concept of partiallyH > supported architectures was introduced, and packed decimal was allowedH > to be migrated off the hardware. Various flavors of VAXen had various  > levelsI > of hardware support, but I believe that if you did Cobol benchmarks, in C > many cases the results were dismal when Packed Decimal arithmetic  > was at issue.   A I believe H float hardware was not implemented on the 750 or 780. = (I am more sure about the 750.)  I suppose it wasn't migrated 2 off if it hadn't been on any hardware yet, though.  ; > A funny thing: IIRC to convert from integer to floating,  ; > IBM first converted from integer to Packed, and then from 6  > packed to floating, as it was much faster that way.  ; Not in any languages that I ever used.  It isn't so hard to = do the conversion, as there is no hidden one and unnormalized  values are allowed.   = Converting between floating point and text is probably faster @ with a packed decimal intermediate.  An integer can be converted@ to text by CVD (convert to decimal) then UNPK (unpack to convertC to zoned decimal), the OI to correct the zone in the LSD.  A little D more work if the number can be negative, or to remove leading zeros.  8 > For banking applications, there was no alternative to 6 > packed decimal because there were no rounding errors/ > (it wasn't floating point) and no issues with  > handling pennies correctly...    -- glen    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 08:12:56 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Floating point questions 3 Message-ID: <t5j11dqe4FT2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <RradnYZhWoRa3irZnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  > Carl Friedberg wrote:  >  > (snip) > N >> Packed decimal is definitely of IBM origin, but was fully supported on VAXnK >> of the 780/750 era. Beginning with MicroVAX II, the concept of partially I >> supported architectures was introduced, and packed decimal was allowed I >> to be migrated off the hardware. Various flavors of VAXen had various  	 >> levels J >> of hardware support, but I believe that if you did Cobol benchmarks, inD >> many cases the results were dismal when Packed Decimal arithmetic >> was at issue. > C > I believe H float hardware was not implemented on the 750 or 780. ? > (I am more sure about the 750.)  I suppose it wasn't migrated 4 > off if it hadn't been on any hardware yet, though.   G    G and H float were available on the 11/780 as microcode options that F    required the optional user writeable control store.  They were not E    available in the floating point accelerator.  A microcode compiler F    was also an option so the user could use the UWCS for other things.  C    I don't know of anyone who wrote thier own microcode for 11/780, 8    but I did know fellows who took the microcode course.  A    I don't know about G and H float on the 11/750, but a UWCS was @    standard as well as a microcode compiler with the intent that@    compute intensive operations could be sped up by having users"    microcode their own operations.  H    I know of one shop which used the latter to microcode implementationsH    of the instruction set for thier own computer while it was in design.H    This let the programmers have something to work on while the hardwareE    was still being developed.  I don't think these were for competing     general purpose computers.   G    I also know of one system where a convolution instruction was custom B    microcoded ito a computer to speed up operations, but it wasn't0    DEC computer, nor a general purpose computer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:59:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: OPCDEF.H question on usage (openSSL) , Message-ID: <44B732B0.36A629C9@teksavvy.com>  + I haven't narrowed it down precicely BUT...   7 Compiling on a node that has never had VAXC works fine.   : $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.DECC$RTLDEF]OPCDEF.H< $DISK1:[VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C]OPCDEF.H   Both are the same.  C There was also one copy in a VAXC$INCLUDE which was way out of date & without even the structure definition.    2 *************************************************/= /* Created: 22-OCT-1999 03:06:14 by OpenVMS SDL EV1-33     */   /* Source:  22-OCT-1999 03:00:08, VELO$DUA0:[SYS0.SYSUPD.CC060]OPCDEF.SDI;1 */P /*******************************************************************************     On the system where it works:   2 *************************************************/= /* Created: 13-NOV-1998 22:50:16 by OpenVMS SDL EV1-33     */ G /* Source:  13-NOV-1998 22:47:03 _$11$DUA920:[BUILD.SDL]OPCDEF.SDI;1 */ P /*******************************************************************************    F The first one seems to have been created locally (VELO is my node, andD DUA0 used to be the system disk device name on my all mightly MVII).  7 The second one seems to have come from VMS engineering.   ? So I managed to compile it fine on BIKE while on VELO it bombs.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 01:18:31 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>: Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS LicensingC Message-ID: <1152865111.501483.188210@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   < These seminars are free to everybody. The presentation is at8 http://www.openvmsplanet.org/index.php?c=66&d=67&w=1&r=Y  F For more on the HP-VM and licencing see the whitepaper from last month  8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:04:03 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> : Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing; Message-ID: <44b7796f$0$4475$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   , "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message = news:1152865111.501483.188210@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > These seminars are free to everybody. The presentation is at: > http://www.openvmsplanet.org/index.php?c=66&d=67&w=1&r=Y >  My mistake.   J So it looks like Parsec has posted the power point slides associated with  each seminar. Cool.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:11:52 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> : Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing< Message-ID: <44b77b3a$0$18500$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  ? "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message  * news:gtBtg.492$Yt7.113@news.cpqcorp.net... > Neil Rieck wrote: L >> It looks like HP has demanded that OpenVMS licensing be made simpler and 2 >> the folks at OpenVMS Engineering have complied. > H > It would be neither fair nor accurate to portray VMS Engineering in a I > position of being forced by HP to provide a better customer experience.  >   G My comment (which does not mention the word "customer" by the way) was   mentioned by the presenter.   M I have no idea if this is true but can only assume that it is possible since  7 clicking on http://www.openvms.compaq.com takes you to   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ :-)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:25:15 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> : Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing; Message-ID: <44b77e5d$0$4475$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   , "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message = news:1152865111.501483.188210@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...  [...snip...] > H > For more on the HP-VM and licencing see the whitepaper from last month > : > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf >  Thanks for this link. I So it looks like VM = Virtualization Manager (I thought I heard "Virtual  I Machine" but background noise in the room was competing with the speaker  D phone so it could have been my mistake; or the presenter might have ! experienced a slip-of-the-tongue)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 08:04:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing3 Message-ID: <dq3e3FsKZjo$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <44b6c13a$0$18498$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  O > They even mentioned something really weird called HP-VM (HP Virtual Machine)  A > where operating systems like OpenVMS would run on top of HP-UX.   A    VMS on top of HP-UX?  Not interested, setting bricks on a wood     foundation.  @    VMS and HP-UX running together on top of a VM?  That could be    usefull.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:56:45 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS LicensingT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684017232A6@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----G > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]=20  > Sent: July 14, 2006 9:04 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing >=20A > In article <44b6c13a$0$18498$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,=20 - > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  >=20B > > They even mentioned something really weird called HP-VM (HP=20 > Virtual Machine)=20 C > > where operating systems like OpenVMS would run on top of HP-UX.  >=20C >    VMS on top of HP-UX?  Not interested, setting bricks on a wood  >    foundation. >=20B >    VMS and HP-UX running together on top of a VM?  That could be
 >    usefull.  >=20    E The bottom layer is a customized HP-UX layer, hence it is likely more G appropriate to think of the bottom as a UNIX based layer with HP-UX and / OpenVMS being able to run as VM's on top of it.   G Think of VMware (Linux based kernel) with Windows, Linux, Netware being 3 able to run as VM's on top of the UNIX based layer.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 05:14:27 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk% Subject: PCI-IDE Interface for Alphas C Message-ID: <1152879267.270736.125380@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D I did mention this elsewhere, but don't know if it got lost by those who would know...   G There are various PCI cards around, with and without BIOS support (and, = therefore, mainly targeted at the PC market) that provide IDE @ interfaces.  Are there any cards that could be used in a pre-IDE< AlphaServer to give the capability of installing IDE drives,& particularly an IDE CD-ROM or DVD-ROM?   Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:18:43 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? ) Message-ID: <e97uij$q6l$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <06071315253488_20200291@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: . >From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > J >> A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate with >> an SMTP server. >>  @ >> Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to> >> communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he) >> authenticates with username/password).  > 9 >   I'm glad to hear that _someone's_ ISP blocks port 25.  > ! >> He has no tools to debug this.  >>  4 >> Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS: >>  + >> TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ??  >>  I >> I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connect K >> to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actually works I >> and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get the SMTP P >> welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit. (logging all of this). >>   >> Any ideas ? > B >   Give up?  What would "TELNET/SSLPORT=25" do, connect using SSLF >protocols to an SMTP server which does not understand SSL protocols? H >Are you confusing SSL with SSH?  I may be confused more than usual, butH >I don't see SSL as providing a way to what amounts to tunneling port 25= >traffic.  For that matter, I don't see SSH doing it, either.  > E >  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-rscvc-te/aa-rscvc-te.HTMl  > F >   Perhaps you should run an SMTP server on a different port, so your# >friend can use _your_ SMTP server.  > K He should try to get the owner, of the SMTP server he is connecting to, to  A set up the SMTP server to listen on the SMTP Submission port 587  K (with smtp-auth setup so that the user has to authenticate before sending)  3 as well as listening on the standard mail port 25.  1 The submission port was standardised by RFC 2476.   M This can definitely be done on VMS with PMDF. I'm not sure what support there L is in UCX, Multinet and TCPWARE for listening on the submission port and for
 smtp-auth.    I The other alternative is to use a relay service such as that provided by   dyndns see  4 http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound.html       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University        I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  > 4 >   Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org5 >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818  >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:25:01 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk! Subject: RE: SSL for SMTP tests ? ) Message-ID: <e97uud$q6l$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   o In article <e96eu8$ni$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:  > 6 >In article <44B691FC.25BEF412@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei' ><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > I >>A friend is having problems setting his windows/PDA to communicate with  >>an SMTP server.  >>? >>Since his ISP blocks outbound port 25, he needs to use SSL to = >>communicate with the remote SMTP server (where, once in, he ( >>authenticates with username/password). >>  >>He has no tools to debug this. >>3 >>Is it possible to do the moral equivalent on VMS:  >>* >>TELNET/SSL/PORT=25 smtp.chocolate.com ?? >>H >>I have openssl installed on my machine. I'd like to be able to connectJ >>to his smtp server via SSL to ensure that the SSL service actually worksH >>and can bridge to the SMTP service on that server. Once I get the SMTPO >>welcome message, type in a few SMTP commands and exit. (logging all of this).  >>
 >>Any ideas ?  > F >	The de facto standard port for carrying SMTP via SSL is 465, not 25.N >If the ISP blocks outgoing SMTP over port 25, no level of encryption is goingK >to allow your friend to connect to that port.  If you try using SSL during O >a connection to port 25, it almost certainly won't work, since port 25 is only 3 >for unencrypted SMTP or negotiated SSL (i.e. TLS).  > M If the ISP is blocking port 25 then I'd hope that they would also be blocking 	 port 465. K On the otherhand I'd hope they were allowing through the message submission K port - port 587. Since that should be setup to require user authentication  ! before allowing any mail through.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    	 >Regards,  >Mike  >-- J >                                         |    Systems Specialist: CBE,MSEM >         Michael T. Davis (Mike)         | Departmental Networking/Computing I > http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     The Ohio State University I >                                         |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:39:41 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk! Subject: Re: SSL for SMTP tests ? ) Message-ID: <e97vpt$q6l$3@news.mdx.ac.uk>   [ In article <44B6F431.541A09F@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >"Steven M. Schweda" wrote: D >>    Give up?  What would "TELNET/SSLPORT=25" do, connect using SSLG >> protocols to an SMTP server which does not understand SSL protocols?  >  > G >Connect to the remote host's port 443, negotiate the SSL stuff and ask F >the remote server to then connect internally to the SMTP server. SameF >principle as HTTPS: it connects to port 443, negotiates the SSL stuffG >and then the remote server decryps the data and sends it to the remote  >HTTP server).  G As far as I am aware that isn't how https works. Once the webserver has M received the https connection request it picks up the data directly and sends " it out again over the https link.   L That is more like how the old smtp ssl port - 465  works but the more modernM TLS implementation just uses port 25 and starts off with a start-tls command.       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:35:17 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? ) Message-ID: <e97s15$peq$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   q In article <QEqhL+VDO2od@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: J >In article <e95i92$2g$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >>> O >> You would have to write the TCPIP stack from scratch. VMS 3.0 did not have a ( >> TCPIP stack. VMS 3.0 shipped in 1982. > D >   Only if I wanted one, and wasn't happy with Multinet and/or CMU. > & The post I was responding to had said    " I Good point.  Say it was the VMS 3.0 source tree released via the hobbyist H websites under something like the Mozilla Public License.  Something youK could use without worrying about relicensing each year, something you could ? work on to bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed, etc.  "   O You can't "bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed" if they don't exist.   J Multinet and TCPWARE are proprietary TCPIP stacks owned by Process and theM latest versions only support VMS going back to VMS 5.5-2. So you couldn't use  them with VMS 3.0.  I I don't know enough about CMU to know whether it would work with VMS 3.0.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jul 2006 07:47:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? 3 Message-ID: <oUyrY$rJHSg7@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <e97s15$peq$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > Q > You can't "bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed" if they don't exist.   F    They still don't exist.  VMS ships without an IP stack.  You get toG    load one from HP or Process or some other source.  Either the option B    is relavent or its not, the version number doesn't change that.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:50:26 +1200 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> / Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? # Message-ID: <44b793ad@clear.net.nz>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:    <snip>' > The post I was responding to had said  >  > " K > Good point.  Say it was the VMS 3.0 source tree released via the hobbyist J > websites under something like the Mozilla Public License.  Something youG > could use without worrying about relicensing each year, something you G > could work on to bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed, etc.  > "  > J > You can't "bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed" if they don't > exist.   Agreed.  > L > Multinet and TCPWARE are proprietary TCPIP stacks owned by Process and theK > latest versions only support VMS going back to VMS 5.5-2. So you couldn't  > use them with VMS 3.0.  K So the door would be wide open for anyone to write their own - for VMS 3.0, 4 if its source tree was released the way I suggested.  J And TCP/IP's rather well known - it must be the best understood of all the( networking protocol stacks in existence.  
 Wesley Parish  > K > I don't know enough about CMU to know whether it would work with VMS 3.0.  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University   --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:02:14 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: The possibility of vms opening up? ) Message-ID: <e984km$s45$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   q In article <oUyrY$rJHSg7@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: K >In article <e97s15$peq$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  >>  R >> You can't "bring things like the TCP/IP stack up to speed" if they don't exist. > G >   They still don't exist.  VMS ships without an IP stack.  You get to H >   load one from HP or Process or some other source.  Either the optionC >   is relavent or its not, the version number doesn't change that.  > M However with later versions of VMS there at least exists the possibility that N if you got HP to release the code for that version of VMS you would also have L been able to get them to release the code for a version of UCX which worked  with it as well.N (Indeed for any development work to be feasible you would probably have wantedN HP to have released at least some compilers, at least as executables if not asM source, as well - unless you wanted to only be able to write applications in   Macro).       
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