1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 394       Contents: Ding Dong Door Ditch Re: Ding Dong Door Ditch Re: Ding Dong Door DitchC Re: Greenhorn question: XON/XOFF control chars (when in MicroEMACS) C Re: Greenhorn question: XON/XOFF control chars (when in MicroEMACS)  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: VMS and HPVME Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:10:14 GMT + From: Gregory Poulos <uspoulos@pacbell.net>  Subject: Ding Dong Door Ditch > Message-ID: <aPyug.49499$VE1.25236@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>  G I hate coming into a group with a question, but after a week I haven't  E seen anything I could comment on halfway intelligently, and no place  6 I've checked seems to mention this problem. Mea culpa.  A On the console, at random intervals, I see the text "DOORBELL ="  I followed by two line feeds. If I hit enter - I get the prompt back. If I  G hit backspace/erase, the console acts as if there were no text. Like a  F watched pot, it doesn't do this often while I'm watching the console, G but if I unplug and go to a quieter room for 10 minutes I'll find five  F of these have been entered in the console's history. Has anybody seen  this before?  E I'm running VMS 8.2-1 on a rx2620. At work we have ES80s so this box  B seems small but I'm learning a lot. I'm using StarNet's X-windows E program X-Win32 7.1 (a trial license at the moment) and initiating a  G DECWindows session to come to the laptop and not sit right next to the  6 small dragon. The commands I'm issuing to do this are:F $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=laptop !change if IP changesC $ MC DECW$STARTLOGIN ! Change options to Options>Session>Decwindows   G The server is on a Cat-5 to the wireless router, using a fixed address  H inside the LAN. The console is only available via a serial cable at the A moment. The Wireless is protected with WPA and MAC filtering for  I whatever good that might do, and only the three authorized machines seem   to be on the network.   F The Motif version is 1.5. TCP is 5.5-11. I can't see how to tell what ! version of DECWindows is running.   I The logs show that something is trying to modify DKA0: and failing but I   haven't tracked that down yet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:47:20 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ! Subject: Re: Ding Dong Door Ditch 9 Message-ID: <seidnTIqN5IvdyfZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Gregory Poulos wrote: I > I hate coming into a group with a question, but after a week I haven't  G > seen anything I could comment on halfway intelligently, and no place  8 > I've checked seems to mention this problem. Mea culpa. > C > On the console, at random intervals, I see the text "DOORBELL ="     This rings a distant bell.  :-)   G Cannot say it's the same thing, but search the archives, several years  @ back, or more, for such and 'firmware writers'.  I have a vague D recollection of some posts about 'interesting' stuff in the console 2 code, and the 'interesting' people who write such.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:33:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Ding Dong Door Ditch , Message-ID: <44BAF6DB.DDB54488@teksavvy.com>   Gregory Poulos wrote: B > On the console, at random intervals, I see the text "DOORBELL ="F > followed by two line feeds. If I hit enter - I get the prompt back.   I Is this part of an OPCOM message, or just this raw text being displayed ?   D If it is just raw text, it would be some application/process doing aH $BREAKTHRU system service to OPA0:. At the time you get the message, youE should get a list of all processes on your system and what image they  are running.  H (in some of the VMS manuals, there is a WFINFO.COM sample procedure that does that).   G You could then investigate who is sending this.  (there may be tools in  ANA/SYSTEM that do that too).    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2006 15:56:53 -0700 From: sampsal@gmail.com L Subject: Re: Greenhorn question: XON/XOFF control chars (when in MicroEMACS)C Message-ID: <1153090613.876101.149940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F > > I've played around with SET/TERMINAL but to no avail. The terminal8 > > program in use is Terminal.app on Mac OS X (10.4.7). > D > How do you physically connect the mac to the VMS box ? Is it via a. > serial port or some ethernet (lat, telnet ?)   It's telnet over Ethernet.  2 > For proper XON-XOFF in both directions, you need > ! > $ SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC   B Tried that, doesn't help my particular case, which leads us neatly onto...   I > If the scrolling stops but doesn't restart on its own, it could be that I > something is eating yor control-Qs or that the terminal program doesn't F > actually send a control-Q once its buffer has been emptied and it is > ready again to receive.   F Basically, the problem I'm having is that when I press ^X^S to save inC uEmacs, it blocks input until I hit Q. It might be that my terminal D program is reacting to the echoed ^S. Hmm. Will try another terminal
 emulator.    Sampsa   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:21:22 -0400 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> L Subject: Re: Greenhorn question: XON/XOFF control chars (when in MicroEMACS)H Message-ID: <7dd80f60607161721r259af3a5w5125795bda1f0fa0@mail.gmail.com>  K On 16 Jul 2006 15:56:53 -0700, sampsal@gmail.com <sampsal@gmail.com> wrote: H > > > I've played around with SET/TERMINAL but to no avail. The terminal: > > > program in use is Terminal.app on Mac OS X (10.4.7). > > F > > How do you physically connect the mac to the VMS box ? Is it via a0 > > serial port or some ethernet (lat, telnet ?) >  > It's telnet over Ethernet. > 4 > > For proper XON-XOFF in both directions, you need > > # > > $ SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC  >   E The problem here is that Emacs uses ^S & ^Q for commands and VMS also 2 uses the to stop and start output to the terminal.  F Switching to another terminal emulator won't help. What you need to do/ before you start Emacs is to issue the command:    $ set ter/nottsync   which disables ^S/^Q.    Here is the entry from   $ help set ter/ttsync    SET   
   TERMINAL       /TTSYNC              /TTSYNC (default)            /NOTTSYNC   D        Controls whether transmitting to the terminal is stopped when@        Ctrl/S is pressed and resumes transmission when Ctrl/Q is        pressed.     C If you are finding other control characters that are used by Emacs, 1 but are being captured by VMS first, you can do a    $ set term/pasthru   $ help set ter/pas   SET   
   TERMINAL       /PASTHRU             /PASTHRU           /NOPASTHRU (default)  E        Controls whether the terminal passes all data (including tabs, B        carriage returns, line feeds, and control characters) to anD        application program as binary data. The setting of /TTSYNC is        allowed.   E        Make sure that you spell both these qualifiers exactly as they         appear in the text.    0 Or you can switch to a more VMS friendly editor.   Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:26:06 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>$ Subject: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?0 Message-ID: <12bl6fh34ioto53@corp.supernews.com>  ? For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bit  I disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't  H respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's  New and received no response.    KLAATU$ ping h71000.www7.hp.com 6 PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes* ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----; 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss ! %SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout   H Not just my particular system or part of the Net either.  I've tried it ( from four hosts across three continents.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:43:46 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?9 Message-ID: <seidnTMqN5JBdCfZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Mark Daniel wrote:A > For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bit  K > disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't  J > respond.  Second time in almost as many weeks I've gone to check What's  > New and received no response.  > ! > KLAATU$ ping h71000.www7.hp.com 8 > PING openvms.compaq.com (161.114.65.60): 56 data bytes, > ----openvms.compaq.com PING Statistics----= > 4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss # > %SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout  > J > Not just my particular system or part of the Net either.  I've tried it * > from four hosts across three continents.  H While not addressing the no response issue, perhaps the server does not G have ping enabled?  I've run into more than a few mail and DNS servers  ( that are configured to not support ping.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:15:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <44BAF2D9.3EA3CDA3@teksavvy.com>   Mark Daniel wrote: > @ > For an environment touting it's availability it's always a bitJ > disconcerting/disappointing/discouraging when the primary portal doesn't
 > respond.  D As of 22:14 EDT Sunday    (  Monday 02:14 GMT )  the VMS web site isF still down. That is a lengty downtime. Perhaps they are upgrading from IA64 to VAX ? :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:21:01 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?- Message-ID: <44BB1022.E0064F75@vaxination.ca>   " As of 04:19 GMT, it is still down.  G The *only* possible logical conclusion one can possibly make of this is I that HP has officially pulled the plug on VMS :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:27:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM , Message-ID: <44BAF579.5671C936@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:F > I also remember the above post.  So far I haven't seen anything thatE > says it won't happen.  Just because HP-UX has a capability is NOT a 7 > statement that Galaxy on the itanic will not happen.      H What I have seen announced for IA64 so far is the "cell" system. And theG new licencing scheme is supposed to allow you to install more CPUs than A needed and then use the VMS equivalent of a prepaid phone card to G activate that cell on demand and then refill that card by sending money  to HP.  G Someone here has mentioned that to reconfigure this, you need to reboot E the machine.  I had not heard of this, but it makes sense because you ; might need access to the IA64 equivalent of the >>> prompt.   H Can some confirm that to dynamically add a cell to an instance of VMS on IA64, you'll have to reboot ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:40:28 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)9 Message-ID: <seidnTAqN5KFdCfZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684017234E5@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > C >> With most OpenVMS Customers, if they wanted to consolidate their H >> workloads, they would simply run the app's on a single system/clusterI >> i.e. App sharing because that is accepted culture/practice for OpenVMS J >> Customers. It is quite common for example to run the DB and middle tierJ >> business logic on the same OpenVMS system/cluster. They have been doing >> that for years. >>I >> However, there are some areas where local politics means that having a F >> VM capability to keep the OpenVMS apps from different BU's separateI >> would be beneficial. Every Cust typically has those internal political  >> challenges. > F > One such challenge is a top manager who looks at how the company hasF > dealt with Windows and determines to take that path with VMS.  It isG > important that VMS be able to play in that fashion, even if it is not ! > required for technical reasons.   H It would seem to me that educating the top manager might be better than : attempting to jump through useless hoops.  Some obstacles:  9 1) top managers sometimes believe in their infailability. . 2) beancounters many times prove uneducatable. 3) ego.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.394 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Țfg$opn%D2
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