1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 399       Contents:! Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES40 ! Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES40 $ Another legacy replacement failure..( Re: Another legacy replacement failure.. Re: DYNDNS client for OpenVMS?# Re: HP to cut down on telecommuting # RE: HP to cut down on telecommuting  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?  Logout procedure Re: Logout procedure Re: Logout procedure Re: Logout procedure RE: Monitor print queues Re: Monitor print queues Re: Netbeans BASIC plugin ' Pathworks V6.1 browser in pending state  Re: RFD: Remove comp.os.rsts= Under VMS, on an HSG80, can Raid Partition Size be Increased?  Re: VMS and HPVME Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing) E Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing) E Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing) E Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing) E Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)  XML on Expat  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 00:28:01 -0700/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> * Subject: Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES40A Message-ID: <1153294081.483595.17480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Syltrem,  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> CLUE CONFIG  C may provide additional information about the state of those 2 CPUs.   C Consider to capture the console output during the next boot to find . possible messages being logged on the console.   Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:26:53 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>* Subject: Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES400 Message-ID: <12bs27k23kphce6@corp.supernews.com>  K "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de news:  6 1153294081.483595.17480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
 > Syltrem, >  > $ ANAL/SYS > SDA> CLUE CONFIG > E > may provide additional information about the state of those 2 CPUs.  > E > Consider to capture the console output during the next boot to find 0 > possible messages being logged on the console. > 	 > Volker.  >   & There were no messages on the console.E Simply, those 2 CPU were ignored and not made part of the active set.   A We finally had one of the 2 replaced last night, and all is fine. * The system never reported an error though.   Thanks to all who responded.   Syltrem    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 01:36:26 -0700- From: "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com> - Subject: Another legacy replacement failure.. C Message-ID: <1153298186.925350.276500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ Did lack of IT involvement at the outset doom LCH.Clearner grand vision?   G Have heard one of the many key systems (still in use today) is based on  an OpenVMS solution.   http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2006/07/18/217038/Did+lack+of+IT+involvement+at+outset+doom+LCHClearnet%E2%80%99s+grand.htm   Thought you might like to read.    M.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:16:03 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Another legacy replacement failure.. 3 Message-ID: <BmJLrPt1YHvJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <1153298186.925350.276500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com> writes: B > Did lack of IT involvement at the outset doom LCH.Clearner grand	 > vision?  > I > Have heard one of the many key systems (still in use today) is based on  > an OpenVMS solution. >  > http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2006/07/18/217038/Did+lack+of+IT+involvement+at+outset+doom+LCHClearnet%E2%80%99s+grand.htm > ! > Thought you might like to read.   L It reads to me they were done in by an over-reliance on buzzword-compliance.L As distinguished from relying on old fashioned approaches like transactions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:52:05 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: DYNDNS client for OpenVMS? B Message-ID: <44bde4a5$0$10517$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>  7 DDCLIENT for VMS - Used for ZONEEDIT.COM and DYNDNS.COM . http://www.firstdbasource.com/ddclient_vms.zip   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg      Julian Wolfe wrote:  > HI there,  > G > I'm looking at putting my Alpha on the front end of my network for my H > own general usage and web serving some small sites.  Is there a client& > around for using the DYNDNS service? >   > Any help would be appreciated. > 	 > Thanks!  >  > Julian >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:42:17 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: HP to cut down on telecommuting9 Message-ID: <rZydnQ493LLowiPZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Main, Kerry wrote:  H > Same goes for developers that like to "reach out and touch the system"F > occasionally. Take their access away and let Operations staff do anyI > hands on work. That usually strikes up a few conversations with the dev 
 > staff ..  C Well that doesn't make a lot of sense.  What happens when it's the  D operations staff that are the problem?  Data center is still closed.  C Now if you'd proposed total hands off, it would be more reasonable.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:02:03 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> , Subject: RE: HP to cut down on telecommutingT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B86840177ADB2@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20  > Sent: July 19, 2006 12:42 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: Re: HP to cut down on telecommuting >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: >=20A > > Same goes for developers that like to "reach out and touch=20 
 > the system" H > > occasionally. Take their access away and let Operations staff do anyA > > hands on work. That usually strikes up a few conversations=20  > with the dev > > staff .. >=20G > Well that doesn't make a lot of sense.  What happens when it's the=20 F > operations staff that are the problem?  Data center is still closed. >=20E > Now if you'd proposed total hands off, it would be more reasonable.  >=20    H General strategy is "lights out", but if there is any hands on required,G then that is responsibility of Operations staff. If there are OPS staff ? training issues, then that is a separate issue that needs to be B resolved, but the principle remains that Dev groups do not require access to servers in the DC.=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:26:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?, Message-ID: <44BDD090.A1BA5579@teksavvy.com>   w_tom wrote:H > You are literally mixing apples and oranges.  Two completely different. > effects are discusses as if they were same.   G The point I was making is that some protection scheme can be thrown off E by unforeseen events. And some may not actually protect from an event 9 that happens under just slightly different circumstances.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:25:53 -0500 $ From: Bud-- <remove.BudNews@isp.com>( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?9 Message-ID: <9d598$44bde880$4213eb81$25617@DIALUPUSA.NET>    John Santos wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> w_tom wrote: >>> J >>>>   EMP is so trivial that even an NE-2 neon glow lamp (a bulb rated inE >>>> milliamps) will make such transients irrelevant.  If a transient K >>>> overwhelmed protection already inside appliances, this it was not EMP.  >>>> It was a direct strike. >>>   H Can also induce surge on non-protected ports like speaker lines causing  equipment failure.   >>E >> It's my understanding, (note, I'm not an expert), that lightening  9 >> doesn't travel inside a wire, it rides on the outside.  >   4 Can also be carried on the center conductor of coax.   > B > Skin effect?  That's still on the conductor, just at the surface" > of the wire and not in its core. >  >>J >> If I'm correct, then a simple grounded collar on the wire should strip H >> the lightening off the wire, if the collar provides a better path to 
 >> ground. >>  G A 'collar' would not likely increase the wire inductance significantly  I and the increased inductance wouldn't block a lightning induced surge. A  I collar wouldn't provide a path to ground unless there was a conductor to     grounded collar arc.   > A > Doesn't the (presumably) grounded service panel locate right at D > the entrance to the house do this?  (I'm 99.99% sure code requiresF > the service panel be grounded.)  All the wires run through knockoutsB > in the metal wall of the panel, which creates a grounded collar. > ) >> You don't physically ground all wires.  >> > > > Or does each individual leg require a separate collar?  Even> > so, if it is that easy, you would think it would be required@ > anywhere there's been a lightning storm in the last 100 years.; > (I.E. the entire planet except maybe parts of Anarctica!)  >  >  > > > If you actually need to ground each conductor, the way to do< > it would be through a low-pass filter with the cutoff well> > below 60Hz connect to the ground, or a high-pass filter with> > the cutoff just below 60Hz in series with the AC circuit, or7 > both.  Lightning is basically DC, so I think it would ; > induce a large DC pulse.  Electric power is AC, and would ; > see the low-pass filter as high-resistance.  (High enough = > impedance at 60 Hz and no appreciable power would be lost.) 9 > AC would pass right through the high-pass filter but DC " > would see it as an open circuit. > = > Whole house surge protectors seem to cost enough ($150-$200 > > at Home Depot) that they probably consist of filters and not > just a grounded collar.  >   F Surge protectors generally use MOVs - metal oxide varistors. A MOV is F essentially an open circuit until the voltage goes past a knee in the ? characteristic curve, then the current rises very rapidly with  I increasing voltage. They clamp the voltage across the MOV. They are like   a bidirectional Zenier diode.   I In a service panel surge protector MOVs are connected L1-L2, L1-N, L2-N.  H The neutral is earthed. When a surge hits, the voltage to neutral-earth E is clamped which causes a very large current to earth (maybe 100,000  I amps). Ground potential to 'absolute earth potential' can rise thousands  D of volts, but phone, CATV and other signal wires are clamped to the G grounded neutral through phone NID and CATV entrance block and all the  ( wires ride up with the power conductors.  F Plug-in surge suppressors clamp the voltage H-N, H-G, N-G (and signal I wires should go through the protector and be clamped to surge  protector  F ground). The voltage between wires is clamped to a value that is safe  for connected equipment.  F High current and a clamp voltage mean a MOV will absorb and dissipate H energy. If the energy is over the MOV rating the device will fail. They 6 also progressively degrade when hit with large surges.  G Lightning produced surges are short pulses, maybe 10 microseconds rise  @ time and 100 microseconds decay. They have major high frequency E components. A low pass filter can provide minor attenuation but MOVs   provide the real protection.   bud--    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2006 11:31:35 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/?+ Message-ID: <4i6jgmF2cjteU1@individual.net>   9 In article <9d598$44bde880$4213eb81$25617@dialupusa.net>, ' 	Bud-- <remove.BudNews@isp.com> writes:  > J > Can also induce surge on non-protected ports like speaker lines causing  > equipment failure. >   H As long as we're speaking of induced currents, I have an anecdote I just have to share.  H Being a ham operator myself, I was helping another ham (Jim Shea, KB5FB,K RIP) pack up his gear over in Germany as he prepared for his return home.   I We had everything disconnected and most of the gear packed but his dipole D was still up and the unterminated coax lay on the floor.  ElectricalG storms were predicted.  All of a sudden, the entire room became charged B with static electricity.  If you reached for anything there was anH uncomfortable feeling accompanied by a 6-10 inch spark.  A minute or twoK later we saw the flash of lightening outside and heard the boom of thunder. I We quickly threw the coax out the window and waited for the storm to pass J before trying to take down the antenna.  :-)  It's amazing how much staticE electricity you can collect with a 160 Meter Dipole 80-100 feet high.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:32:21 -0400 0 From: "Glen Thompson" <glen.thompson@cox.netnet> Subject: Logout procedure / Message-ID: <9elvg.333094$5Z.124768@dukeread02>   H Under VMS 7.2 is there any way to define a logout command file?   There I are some clean-up items I'd like to take care of.  I know I can redefine  C the logout command to run a DCL program but I don't like to change  4 system commands.  Is there any other way to do this?   TIA, glen   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:56:47 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Logout procedure ) Message-ID: <e9koju$bkk$1@news.BelWue.DE>   b In article <9elvg.333094$5Z.124768@dukeread02>, "Glen Thompson" <glen.thompson@cox.netnet> writes:I >Under VMS 7.2 is there any way to define a logout command file?   There  J >are some clean-up items I'd like to take care of.  I know I can redefine D >the logout command to run a DCL program but I don't like to change 5 >system commands.  Is there any other way to do this?   / Modify the users' login command file like this:   )    $    DEFINE/USER sys$input sys$command     $    SPAWN/NOLOG 4    $    WRITE sys$output "now performing cleanup..."    ...    $    LOGOUT   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:27:27 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Logout procedure : Message-ID: <c_GdnZ5ec7tscSDZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@comcast.com>   Glen Thompson wrote:  J > Under VMS 7.2 is there any way to define a logout command file?   There K > are some clean-up items I'd like to take care of.  I know I can redefine  E > the logout command to run a DCL program but I don't like to change  6 > system commands.  Is there any other way to do this? >  > TIA, > glen >  >   E None that I know of.  The easiest way to "clean up" is not to make a   mess in the first place!  G What are you trying to "clean up" that is not taken care of by process   rundown?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:09:20 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: Logout procedure 0 Message-ID: <AWrvg.758$Az4.265@news.cpqcorp.net>   Glen Thompson wrote:J > Under VMS 7.2 is there any way to define a logout command file?   There K > are some clean-up items I'd like to take care of.  I know I can redefine  E > the logout command to run a DCL program but I don't like to change  6 > system commands.  Is there any other way to do this?  ?    Not really.  Well, not particularly easily.   Possible, yes.   G    I'm aware of folks that do redefine a symbol for the LOGOUT command  D (and as you are also clearly aware), and it's conceptually possible I (though undocumented and unsupported) to intercept the LOGOUT execution,  H and then chain to the "real" LOGOUT.  There are also inner-mode process D run-down handlers which can potentially be brought to bear, as well.  I    You could troll the logout accounting or auditing records and perform  F a sequence that locates the directories and cleans up asynchronous to H the LOGOUT.  Capturing the security alarms directly, and using a server I process to back-trace to the context of the process and to then clean up  # the dreck, would be an option here.   @    That written, the LOGOUT may not ever be executed (eg: power A failure), so you (may?  will?) still have to deal with any dreck  H asynchronously -- either on system or application startup, on login, or G as part of some sort of periodic garbage collection -- even if you can  I usually perform the necessary clean-up on LOGOUT.  And once you have the  C asynchronous cleanup working, the need for the synchronous cleanup   obviously becomes smaller.  I    Or has been stated, don't generate the dreck, or clean it up on login  B or on application start-up, or clean it up asynchronously, or use I something like the delete-on-close temporary file mechanism.  Some folks  E simplify this approach, and use resource identifiers and a dedicated  B scratch area, and simply have the dreck older than some threshold = deleted.  (I use a variant of this approach for my own login  C environment, redirecting SYS$SCRATCH into a subdirectory within my  C LOGIN.COM.  This dedicated subdirectory makes clean-up far easier,  A obviously.  When I need disk space, I clean up the subdirectory.)   F    And if this is centrally a case of disk capacity constraints, also G consider acquiring larger disks.  I've seen folks going to huge effort  G to stuff and to maintain an environment on a 4GB disk, when far larger  I disks are selling for pocket-change on auction sites, and for relatively  G little money new.  (I saw a nice StorageWorks disk shelf sell for less  H than US$100 a while back, with IIRC 50-some GB of disk storage included H and a pile of open disk slots.  StorageWorks bricks are quite regularly H offered for sale and for auction, obviously -- and HP and other vendors G can sell you new or used storage configurations and upgrades, as well.  G One vendor has various used StorageWorks bricks starting under US$100.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:38 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: Monitor print queues T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B86840177AC61@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: The KGB [mailto:kgb@tampabay.rr.com]=20  > Sent: July 18, 2006 7:52 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Monitor print queues  >=20 > Hello all,; > I need to monitor the number of pages a LPD printer in=20  > VMS/Cache prints per=20 : > job/day/month etc.  Anyone have a DCL program already=20 > in-place they would be=20  > willing to share?  >=20
 > Many thanks 	 > Kent=20  >=20 >=20   Kent,   H A commercial third party print option might (not sure) also be available via:! http://www.nls.com/home/home.html    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 06:09:15 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk! Subject: Re: Monitor print queues A Message-ID: <1153314555.216245.6970@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Kent,   D Be aware that the pages that the VMS accounting report will give youA may or may not be representative of what you've actually printed. C Pages of flat ASCII text are fine, but if you're printing languages C like Postscript or Prescribe, the report that VMS gets/uses may not C really be the true number of pages printed.  I often see reports of 7 dozens of pages printed for one real page of Prescribe.    Steve    The KGB wrote: > Hello all,M > I need to monitor the number of pages a LPD printer in VMS/Cache prints per N > job/day/month etc.  Anyone have a DCL program already in-place they would be > willing to share?  > 
 > Many thanks  > Kent   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:34:16 -0400 0 From: "Meg Watson" <meg@alumni.vanderbilt.eduxx>" Subject: Re: Netbeans BASIC plugin: Message-ID: <fNGdnQW0PoBElyPZnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@comcast.com>  	 Done. :-)   G "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> wrote in message  8 news:ohgvg.70120$fb2.25272@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > Meg Watson wrote:  >> Hi Rich,  >>K >> We are about to release Distributed NetBeans T5.0, which includes Basic  L >> support as well as C/C++, Fortran, Cobol, and Pascal support.  We expect K >> to have a field test kit available in a few weeks.  I'll put your email  3 >> address on our notification list for field test.  >> > H > Please add jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com also. This is very exciting!    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 08:35:41 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net0 Subject: Pathworks V6.1 browser in pending stateB Message-ID: <1153323340.601094.49420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Hello E After a reboot my PDC (VAX 3100-85 VMS 7.3 Pathworks 6.1) or for that E matter any system when Pathworks starts the browser goes into a start C pending state. I search the net for possible solutions and it seems 9 nothing applies here. The system is not part of a cluster E and I have more then eough licenses (400+). This problem also started  after downloading  some windows update. AFRICA> pwshow@ OpenVMS V7.3  on node AFRICA  19-JUL-2006 09:19:45.77  Uptime  0 08:44:08F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Pages F 00000294 NETBIOS         HIB      4      255   0 00:00:00.61       751   144 F 000002A3 PWRK$ADMIN_0    LEF      6       38   0 00:00:00.61       505    62 F 00000298 PWRK$KNBDAEMON  HIB     12      336   0 00:00:02.93      2352   455 F 0000029A PWRK$LICENSE_R  HIB     11      200   0 00:00:03.36      3790   244 F 000002A7 PWRK$LMBROWSER  HIB      9      299   0 00:00:07.86     14967   247 F 0000029F PWRK$LMMCP      HIB     11      984   0 00:00:09.33      8894   799 F 000002A5 PWRK$LMSRV      HIB     11     1408   0 00:00:29.35     24158  2579 F 0000029D PWRK$MASTER     HIB      6      345   0 00:00:04.87      2761   137 F 000002A1 PWRK$MONITOR    HIB      6       57   0 00:00:05.08      6598   360 F 00000296 PWRK$NBDAEMON   HIB     10       32   0 00:00:00.53       516   192 F I checked the logs and nothing seems strange or out of place. I should
 state thatC I can ping any system and I can even do a dir on some of the shares $ Shared resources on server "AFRICA":  $ Name          Type       Description ------------  --------- 7 -------------------------------------------------------  PCFILES       Directory      Path: DPA100:[PCFILES]C     Connections:  Current: 3, Maximum: No limit <------so users can  stil connect     RMS file format: Stream B     Directory Permissions: System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED,	 World: RE C     File Permissions: System: RWD, Owner: RWD, Group: RWD, World: R      Share Permissions:4         Everyone                        Full Control     Total of 1 share  A If I do a net view only 2 computers will show up - a windows 2003  server and a win2kF system. I am totally at a lost - I even tried rebooting everything but nothing works. I cannot beliveC that downloading some updates and rebooting a system would cause so 
 much trouble.  thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:32:43 GMT 6 From: Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSW.Invalid>% Subject: Re: RFD: Remove comp.os.rsts 8 Message-ID: <q3rsb259n327t5o6q4v1vtg10ojjesjpot@4ax.com>  & [xposted to comp.os.vms,alt.sys.pdp11]  ; On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:09:45 GMT in comp.os.rsts, Jim Riley  <jimrtex@pipeline.com> wrote:   3 >                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)  > G >This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the following   >Usenet newsgroup: >  >remove remove comp.os.rsts  >  >RATIONALE: remove comp.os.rsts  > G >This is one of a set of 31 low-traffic former INET groups proposed for " >removal.  Please see the article  > 2 >"2nd RFD: Remove low traffic former INET groups"  > E >posted to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups for a more general  >discussion. > S >**********************************************************************************  >  >RATIONALE: remove comp.os.rsts  >  >The newsgroup line is:  > E >|comp.os.rsts		Topics related to the PDP-11 RSTS/E operating system.  > F >comp.os.rsts has had 15 on-topic messages in the past 11 months, in 3A >threads.  Two of the threads were cross-posted to groups such as 0 >vmsnet.pdp-11, alt.sys.pdp11, and comp.sys.dec. > S >**********************************************************************************  >  >PROCEDURE:  > = >The full (draft) group removal procedure is documented here:  > = >  http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup  > C >Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup H >should subscribe to news.groups and participate in the relevant threads >in that newsgroup.  > = >To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to 
 >news.groups.  > D >All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups. > H >If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussionE >may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure 4 >that all discussion appears in news.groups as well. >  >DISTRIBUTION: > % >   news.announce.newgroups (omitted)  >   news.groups  >   comp.os.rsts >   comp.org.decus >   comp.sys.dec >  >PROPONENT:  > ! >Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com>  >  >CHANGE HISTORY: >  >2006-07-08      Original RFD.   --  9 Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis 	Calgary, Alberta, Canada   F Brian.Inglis@CSi.com 	(Brian[dot]Inglis{at}SystematicSW[dot]ab[dot]ca),     fake address		use address above to reply   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 09:49:49 -0700' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> F Subject: Under VMS, on an HSG80, can Raid Partition Size be Increased?C Message-ID: <1153327789.196166.104250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Alpha DS25 VMS 7.2-1  = Under VMS, on an HSG80, can Raid Partition Size be Increased?   G I want to increase the size of one of the partitions in a raid 5 set on 	 an HSG80.    Current config:    NPCtop> show r3 E Name          Storageset                     Uses             Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  B R3            raidset                        D36_10200        D101B                                              D36_20200        D108B                                              D36_30200        D1096                                              D36_402006                                              D36_502006                                              D36_60200         Switches: 5           POLICY (for replacement) = BEST_PERFORMANCE )           RECONSTRUCT (priority) = NORMAL             CHUNKSIZE = 256 blocks         State:           NORMAL)           D36_10200 (member  0) is NORMAL )           D36_20200 (member  1) is NORMAL )           D36_30200 (member  2) is NORMAL )           D36_40200 (member  3) is NORMAL )           D36_50200 (member  4) is NORMAL )           D36_60200 (member  5) is NORMAL *         Size:             355486275 blocks         Partitions: C           Partition number        Size               Starting Block  Used by   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- C             1                117309435 (  60062.43 MB)            0   D101 C             2                117309435 (  60062.43 MB)    117309440   D108 C             3                117309435 (  60062.43 MB)    234618880   D109 C                                3557950 (   1821.67 MB)    351928320   <free>   F I want to move d101 to another raid set, destroy it's partition (1) on0 r3, and double the size of d109.  Can I do this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:01:08 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM 9 Message-ID: <Bb2dnUuROqh9_iPZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    DaveH wrote:G > Good day, I'm the OpenVMS Business Manager for Virtualization and I'd ) > just like to clarify one or two things.  > 2 > Firstly, we are not porting Galaxy to Integrity.  3 Way to go HP.  Shitcanned another great capability.   " Good thing I'm keeping my fingers.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:03:01 -0700 From: "DaveH" <d.holt@hp.com> N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)B Message-ID: <1153306981.487187.118800@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  E Good day, I'm the OpenVMS Business Manager for Virtualization and I'd ' just like to clarify one or two things.   G Firstly, we are not porting Galaxy to Integrity. This decision was made G some time ago as we knew the corporate Virtual Machines (VM) technology F was under development. OpenVMS will be a Guest O/S on the HP-UX kernelG (Hypervisor), just like Linux and HP-UX now. We are striving to deliver - OpenVMS VM in 2H07 as per the latest Roadmap.   F Secondly, we are not recommending deploying buscrit apps on VMs of anyF description. We know OpenVMS customers will be concerned about runningE their businesses on top of any type of Unix. However, for application D development; supporting multiple versions of OpenVMS on one hardware chassis;F testing and general support tasks it can make sense to deploy multipleA instances of OpenVMS on one Integrity server. Up to 80 VMs can be @ supported on a Superdome spread across OpenVMS, UX and Linux (ifG desired). I have presented OpenVMS VM to the Ambassadors, Boot Camp and F multiple customer sessions over the past year and they are comfortableF with this positioning of VM. There are of course overheads with VM andC I/O is virtual, but we plan to have characterisation done before we  ship.    Regards, DaveH    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: ^ > In article <44B921A2.50C0E5D7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:" > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:' > >> Why would anyone want to do this ?  > >  > > G > >With Alpha, you could have multiple instances of VMS in the same box I > >(galaxy stuff).  On that IA64 thing, that is not the case. If you want K > >to run multiple instances of VMS on that IA64 thing, ther basically each * > >have to run as an application on HP-UX. > >  > J > I thought Galaxy on the HP superdome was always planned to be supported. >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  > K > >So now the big question is whether HP will take some of that so-flaunted H > >10 billion bucks and pay SRI to make a VAX and alpha emulators run asG > >applications on HP-UX as well so that you could have one instance of K > >HP-UX host an instance of VAX-VMS, one of Alpha-VMS and one of IA64-VMS.  > >  > > J > >While this may not have any usefulness on that IA64 thing, once IA64 isL > >dead and everything moved to 8086, this may prove to be very interesting.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:44:07 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukN Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)) Message-ID: <e9lcv7$e46$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   b In article <1153306981.487187.118800@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "DaveH" <d.holt@hp.com> writes:F >Good day, I'm the OpenVMS Business Manager for Virtualization and I'd( >just like to clarify one or two things. > H >Firstly, we are not porting Galaxy to Integrity. This decision was madeH >some time ago as we knew the corporate Virtual Machines (VM) technologyG >was under development. OpenVMS will be a Guest O/S on the HP-UX kernel H >(Hypervisor), just like Linux and HP-UX now. We are striving to deliver. >OpenVMS VM in 2H07 as per the latest Roadmap. > G >Secondly, we are not recommending deploying buscrit apps on VMs of any  >description.   M Which means that VM technology isn't an adequate replacement for Galaxy which 0 was targetted at Business critical applications.  B Apart from a me-too (and possibly running multiple VMS developmentN environments) spending time and money on this rather than porting Galaxy seems a waste.  8 But then I think you should be porting to x86-64 anyway.      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      : >We know OpenVMS customers will be concerned about runningF >their businesses on top of any type of Unix. However, for applicationE >development; supporting multiple versions of OpenVMS on one hardware 	 >chassis; G >testing and general support tasks it can make sense to deploy multiple B >instances of OpenVMS on one Integrity server. Up to 80 VMs can beA >supported on a Superdome spread across OpenVMS, UX and Linux (if H >desired). I have presented OpenVMS VM to the Ambassadors, Boot Camp andG >multiple customer sessions over the past year and they are comfortable G >with this positioning of VM. There are of course overheads with VM and D >I/O is virtual, but we plan to have characterisation done before we >ship. > 	 >Regards,  >DaveH >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:_ >> In article <44B921A2.50C0E5D7@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: # >> >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: ( >> >> Why would anyone want to do this ? >> > >> >H >> >With Alpha, you could have multiple instances of VMS in the same boxJ >> >(galaxy stuff).  On that IA64 thing, that is not the case. If you wantL >> >to run multiple instances of VMS on that IA64 thing, ther basically each+ >> >have to run as an application on HP-UX.  >> > >>K >> I thought Galaxy on the HP superdome was always planned to be supported.  >> >>
 >> David Webb  >> Security team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  >> >>L >> >So now the big question is whether HP will take some of that so-flauntedI >> >10 billion bucks and pay SRI to make a VAX and alpha emulators run as H >> >applications on HP-UX as well so that you could have one instance ofL >> >HP-UX host an instance of VAX-VMS, one of Alpha-VMS and one of IA64-VMS. >> > >> >K >> >While this may not have any usefulness on that IA64 thing, once IA64 is M >> >dead and everything moved to 8086, this may prove to be very interesting.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:44:38 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)) Message-ID: <op.tcxxwogczgicya@hyrrokkin>   @ On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:03:01 -0700, DaveH <d.holt@hp.com> wrote:  I > Secondly, we are not recommending deploying buscrit apps on VMs of any=   I > description. We know OpenVMS customers will be concerned about running=   G > their businesses on top of any type of Unix. However, for application F > development; supporting multiple versions of OpenVMS on one hardware
 > chassis;I > testing and general support tasks it can make sense to deploy multiple=   C > instances of OpenVMS on one Integrity server. Up to 80 VMs can be B > supported on a Superdome spread across OpenVMS, UX and Linux (ifI > desired). I have presented OpenVMS VM to the Ambassadors, Boot Camp an=  d I > multiple customer sessions over the past year and they are comfortable=   I > with this positioning of VM. There are of course overheads with VM and=   E > I/O is virtual, but we plan to have characterisation done before we  > ship.   I This is a singularly ill-conceived concept (I refrain from the use of th=  e G word strategy, as this would elevate the notion)  What percentage of  =    systems G in the field are used for development and how big is the need to run  =    multipleF versions of OpenVMS and how often?  Moreover, in my experience, our  =  	 customers I tend to use smaller less expensive systems for development and testing  =   	 than they I do for deployment.  If we need to run another version of OpenVMS we can =   =   boot it 0 off some node without disruption to the cluster.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 08:48:00 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)B Message-ID: <1153324080.290828.53940@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  F I think the idea is that you can slice your multi cpu box into systemsF which can use less than one real cpu/core. I think this does look moreF useful the unfourtunes cursed with lots of windows systems rather than the typical VMS installation.     D I think Dave Holt's posting was the first time I have seen it statedG that this is not intended for mission critical systems. {and if you are D not using VMS for mission critical systems then what are you using ? :-) }    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 11:52:45 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)3 Message-ID: <AIJ35ZdWBbYe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <1153306981.487187.118800@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "DaveH" <d.holt@hp.com> writes:G > Good day, I'm the OpenVMS Business Manager for Virtualization and I'd ) > just like to clarify one or two things.  > I > Firstly, we are not porting Galaxy to Integrity. This decision was made I > some time ago as we knew the corporate Virtual Machines (VM) technology H > was under development. OpenVMS will be a Guest O/S on the HP-UX kernelI > (Hypervisor), just like Linux and HP-UX now. We are striving to deliver / > OpenVMS VM in 2H07 as per the latest Roadmap.  > H > Secondly, we are not recommending deploying buscrit apps on VMs of anyH > description. We know OpenVMS customers will be concerned about running. > their businesses on top of any type of Unix.  K So the obvious question to ask is what is the expected IA64 growth path for ( current business critical Galaxy users ?  I For the record, I am not personally in that situation, but a satisfactory G answer seems important in order to ensure a long term viable future for  all VMS users.   Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP K If Google's motto is "don't be evil", then how did we get Google Groups 2 ?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2006 10:28:19 -0700  From: "Barry" <dysert@gmail.com> Subject: XML on Expat B Message-ID: <1153330099.298203.260910@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  C (I figured it's better to piggyback on this one than to start a new  topic)  F I'm aware of the XML parser for VMS from Expat.  I recently downloadedB the files and used the supplied descrip.mms file to build the OLB.F However, I haven't been able to figure out what else has to be done inD order to build an executable that will in fact parse an XML file.  ID have 15 years experience with VMS (and MMS) so that's not a problem.F If anyone can tell me what's necessary to get a runnable program builtC from the Expat sources I'll gladly create an MMS file to do it all.    Thanks!    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.399 ************************