1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 413       Contents: Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: Alpha remembrance day  Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS0 Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company# Re: InfoServer 100 trouble - update % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?   Re: Transfering files using TFTP  Re: Transfering files using TFTP  Re: Transfering files using TFTP& Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug Re: XP1000 problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 06:56:33 -0700- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayC Message-ID: <1153922193.037551.184020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > Andrew wrote:  > > Dave Froble wrote: > >> Andrew wrote: > >>G > >>> So who would Digital have sold FAB capacity to? They had no track L > >>> record of working with FABless vendors like Sun and they were in a lotJ > >>> of instances major competitors for the companies who might have been+ > >>> target customers to use Digitals FAB.  > >> AMD wanted to use the FAB.  > > I > > AMD wanted to use the FAB but didn't. Now unless you know why and you G > > don't the options are they couldn't do a deal with Digital, Digital D > > wouldn't do a deal with them, they got another better offer etc. > > J > > But you don't know the answer so describing my post as bullshit FUD is > > painfull but only for you. > E > You're truly a fucking idiot!  The topic, which your attention span B > couldn't embrace, was that others wanted to use the FAB, but DECJ > wouldn't take the business, wanting to keep the FAB ready for more Alpha+ > business.  Do you possibly remember that?   D Of course I can remember, but as I pointed out and you very stupidlyE ignored it is only supposition that DEC turned this business down and F even if they did there could be numerous good technical and commercial reasons why they did so.   > J > So the answer is, DEC wouldn't sell FAB capability to AMD.  Sorry if youE > don't consider it possible for me to know why.  It's only the topic  > under discussion.  >   * Sadly again only supposition on your part.   > Idiot!   You are getting fainter    > K > >> As for the rest of your bullshit FUD, Alpha didn't need to be accepted P > >> by any other vendors.  The VMS and Tru64 business was supporting it nicely. > >> > > H > > So why did Digital go out of their way to try to attract design winsH > > onto Alpha. Why did they tout the AlphaPC surely even Digital didn'tK > > think that they would clean up and become the only manufacturer of PC's  > > worldwide. > I > Because some people saw it as an opportunity.  Over and above DEC's use F > of the CPU.  Not a bad idea, but it not working in no way made Alpha > unsuccessful.  > E Akkk either they did or they didn't. You claim that DEC sabotaged the F sucess of the Hudson FAB by turning away FAB business from AMD but now@ you claim that they didn't really need this fabrication business anyway.   B I hate to say this but each time you accuse me of being stupid youE appear to be doing so from a deeper and deeper hole. Soon we won't be  able to hear you at all.    J > > The reality is that the whole Alpha plan was a clone of the MIPS/SPARCE > > plans, PC's, Workstations, Small, Medium and Large Servers, Super J > > Computers lots of vendors in other words a life changing event for the > > computer market. > > J > > And no the Tru64 and OpenVMS businesses were not supporting it nicely,D > > at $400-$500 million dollars per new chip design and $2+ billionJ > > dollars for the FAB plus ongoing running costs itis doubtfull that theE > > Tru64 and OpenVMS even supported the development and build of the G > > processors let alone support the rest of the ecosystem required for @ > > Alpha, software, interconnects and platforms, marketing, ISV > > development etc. > > L > >> Note that IBM doesn't have a bunch of vendors using Power, but they areK > >> doing well.  The FAB may not be profitable, but a vendor that can do a K > >> complete solution has the flexibility that allows for overall profits.  > >> > > D > > Ahh the much missused IBM example and not even accurate at that. > / > Just because you write it doesn't make it so.  >   G Well since I said it and then backed it up with facts the ball is sitll 
 in you court.    > > IBM I > > was in fact quite sucessfull at attracting other vendors to use POWER  > > or POWER variants. > H > Variants may be different enough to be considered a different produce. >   G Does it matter, it generates revenue for the POWER business unit and it F uses FAB capacity. Exactly what you aledge DEC deliberately refused to do.   1 > > And while Apple has deserted for Intel IBM is H > > happily building the POWER based processor for the xbox 360 in their% > > Fishkill FAB. Heard of the xbox ?  > E > Apple wasn't enough for IBM to build the types of CPU Apple wanted.  > Notebooks in particular. > H > Yes, I've heard of the xbox, and the cell processor.  I doubt they are0 > interchangable with the Power5+ based systems.  A Can you show why that would matter to IBM's POWER business unit ?  > J > > But the IBM example would have been a bad one anyway, IBM are and wereK > > a much bigger company than Digital, appart from design wins outside IBM A > > POWER is a shared platform for AS400/RS6000 (p and i Series).  > I > The IBM example is exactly what Alpha was within DEC.  A differentiator   > to allow them to win business.  D I am at a loss to understand why AS400 using POWER and RS/6000 usingG POWER is a differentaitor that allows IBM to win business and I bet you  can't explain why either.   E It is a strategy that allows IBM to reduce cost which in theory meant D that they could charge less which would be a differentiator but that isn't what you ment.    You have now faded to a whisper.   Regards  Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 07:40:55 -0700- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> " Subject: Re: Alpha remembrance dayC Message-ID: <1153924855.776594.128930@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Andrew wrote: I > > "Competing with Wintel" why would you think that Alpha was ever going K > > to manage that ? It was never going to hit the price points required to 8 > > compete with x86. The cheapest Alpha PC's cost $1500 > F > Exactly. Digital had a policy of not selling Alpha PCs competitivelyG > because of a "we can't compete with outselves" situation when Digital G > setup its own Wintel division. Where there is a will, there is a way, H > and Digital could have made cheap alpha-based PCs if it had wanted to.I > (ok, perhaps not as cheap as a Dell machine, but definitely competitive % > in the mid to high end desktop PC).   G I wasn't talking about AlphaPC's from Digital $1500 was for a 3rd party  AlphaPC.C Of course it is possible that AlphaPC's could have been as cheap as  Dells etc but it is unlikely.   F The base config DECpc 150 AXP announced at Comdex cost $6,795 for thatG you got 16 MB RAM, SVGA colour, 245 MB disk and a 3.5 inch floppy and a 	 keyboard.   B This was the first Alpha based PC, by 1997 prices had come down to; $1500 but this was still way more than a commodity PC cost.    > H > > Hang on Palmer started talking to Compaq in 1996 and some time afterG > > Palmer aledgedly started running down the FAB because Compaq didn't  > > want it. > I > > Are you now suggesting that Palmer somehow guessed that  Compaq would F > > not want the FAB and started running it down before even beginning > > negociations with Compaq.  >  > H > Palmer did not guess. He was told by Pfeiffer. On the Compaq announcedH > it was buying Digital, Palmer appeared on CNN and bragged about havingH > begin negotiations 3 years earlier with Pfeiffer who gave him guidanceI > on what portions of the business Compaq was interested in. Prior to the H > downsizing of Digital by Palmer, Digital was too big a fish for CompaqJ > to swallow. The FAB is but only one business that Palmer got rid of. theH > DLT drives is another, the disk drives another, the networking gear is > another and on and on and on.  >   G So I repeat my question again, what was Palmer doing with the FAB prior + to 1996 when he started talking to Compaq ?     Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:26:08 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS / Message-ID: <ea75dn$cvo$01$1@news.t-online.com>    Tom Linden schrieb: J > On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:23:49 -0700, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>   > wrote: > H >> Why not?  Where does the ESA do their launching from?  Not Darmstadt. >  > F > I worked at ESA about the time Kourou was established, and IIRC they > bought the land.  < Well, as for the current temperature and humidity over here,1 I guess Darmstadt might be considered competitive ( in comparison with Kourou as well as FL.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2006 11:32:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS + Message-ID: <4ip25rF4q59pU1@individual.net>   9 In article <3s2dnVvFnvIhWVvZnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@libcom.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G >> Florida has The Bahamas right in the line of fire but we haven't hit I >> them yet.  :-)  Texas has quite a bit more water before you get to any ( >> islands and then it's just Cuba.  :-) > E > That's funny in a way, but you could benefit from some sensitivity   > training.  :-) >   F Well, it was a joke, but giving it more thought I would guess there isF political fear of "violating Cuban airspace" although I am sure by theG time it got that far it would be miles above the island.  And, it would K be possible to aim the launch so that it even missed the island completely.   > >>>                                   There are probably otherJ >>> considerations. Also, FL is part of the 48 contiguous states and parts >>> can be shipped by land.  >>  ' >> Last time I heard, so was Texas. :-)  >>  J >>>                         Outside the US? Are you saying we should lease/ >>> land in another country for a space center?  > , > Virgin Islands?  Less targets to the East.  C Well, I forgot all about them.  I just looked.  While there is less C than off the coast of Florida, there are other islands to the east.   F I wish I still had friends at Lockheed Martin (pretty much everybody IF worked with is retired by now), I would ask someone where they planned( to put their commercial launch facility.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 05:35:32 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS C Message-ID: <1153917332.057547.201460@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > AEF wrote: > O > >>>> Or we could just (finally) let the business that paid for licenses do it ' > >>>> and stop wasting taxpayer money. E > >>> What business? What licenses? Could you be a little more vague? L > >> Vague?  I merely mentioned old news.  The US Government sold license toP > >> operate commercial space operations (including launches) to major companiesF > >> decades ago.  Martin Marietta got one of the first.  But then theL > >> govenrment never stepped out of the picture.  Starting a new commercial > > F > > Hmmmm. The gov't built it. What should they do? Give it away? That* > > would be more wasted taxpayer dollars! > 2 > How about selling it?  Recoup some of the money.  < Depends on the consequences. Besides, it ain't gonna happen.   > # > > The International Space Station $ > > -- now there's a waste of money! > E > It's a first step off the planet.  Perhaps you don't feel we should J > leave the planet?  There are those with their fingernails still dug intoF > the cave walls.  Myself, I feel that expanding off the planet is theI > only protection against extinction.  We're on the one and only, and all " > it takes is the next large rock.  D Someone at Sky and Telescope wrote an opinion piece about it being aG waste of money. We're talking 10's of billions of dollars here for lame D experiments. This piece said the superconducting supercollider wouldF have cost far less and done much better science. We're talking Sky and$ Telescope here!!! Not Physics Today.  F As for leaving the planet... 10's of billions just to orbit the earth?D Then going to Mars? Going to Mars is fraught with huge difficulties,C not the least of which is the danger of radiation to the crew. This 2 would be incredibly expensive and difficult to do.   > I > >> venture is hard enough without having to compete with someone who is M > >> subsidizing their operation by picking your potential customers pockets. P > >> On a level playing field NASA would be defunct, the Shuttle would have beenP > >> replaced a decade ago (maybe even before the first disaster) and who knows,! > >> we might already be on Mars.  > >  > > NASA defunct? speculation. > * > They should be research, not operations.   No comment.    > : > > Shuttle replaced? Maybe, I don't know enough to judge. > H > The shuttle program is built by bureaucrats, in their image.  The moreF > people needed, the better.  The damn thing, as far as I know, cannotF > even navigate itself.  It needs a hugh ground crew.  Thats where the
 > money goes.  >  > > Mars? Give me a break. >  > Where do you want it?   + Where do I want what? The shuttle? On Mars?    > E > The only response I can come up with is 'ground hugging mud lover'.   E Fine, you pay for the mission to Mars. I'm all for space exploration, > but sending humans to Mars now is premature and too expensive.  G Anyway, Bill's point was that if space travel were privatized, we might E be on Mars already. That's what I responded to when I said "Give me a F break!". You somehow changed that to my saying that we shouldn't go to+ Mars. Well, we should, but not prematurely.    >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:54:23 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 9 Subject: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company 1 Message-ID: <ea7hgd$o5e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   : So what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?  J A quick flick suggests Mercury is better known for fiddling the books withC dodgy share options than software - As much sense as buying Compaq?   - http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060726/323/ghtqm.html    Regards Richard Maher    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 04:17:05 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company B Message-ID: <1153912625.389107.229900@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   various other links  http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/search/hewlett-packard/SIG=11v2lgtd2/*http%3A//www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1328575.html; http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1328575.html    and 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Interactive  ( I can't see what they have that hp want.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:49:57 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company I Message-ID: <8660a3a10607260649u1444f81fk3f0fd836af53f62c@mail.gmail.com>   > On 26 Jul 2006 04:17:05 -0700, Ian Miller <ijm@uk2.net> wrote: > various other links  > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/search/hewlett-packard/SIG=11v2lgtd2/*http%3A//www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1328575.html= > http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1328575.html  >  > and 2 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_Interactive > * > I can't see what they have that hp want. >  > H Am I the only one who's never heard of these Mercury Interactive people?   WWWebb   --  C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 10:25:26 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company 3 Message-ID: <tExJPKUSE8YC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <ea7hgd$o5e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  > Hi,  > < > So what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction? > L > A quick flick suggests Mercury is better known for fiddling the books withE > dodgy share options than software - As much sense as buying Compaq?  > / > http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060726/323/ghtqm.html  >  > Regards Richard Maher   D What Richard was unwilling to summarize and thus insisted on wasting our lookup time with is:  > 	Hewlett Packard is planning on purchasing Mercury Interactive 	for 4.5 billion dollars.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2006 16:55:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company + Message-ID: <4ipl4kF4ttq2U1@individual.net>   3 In article <tExJPKUSE8YC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:i > In article <ea7hgd$o5e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >> Hi, >>  = >> So what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?  >>  M >> A quick flick suggests Mercury is better known for fiddling the books with F >> dodgy share options than software - As much sense as buying Compaq? >>  0 >> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060726/323/ghtqm.html >>   >> Regards Richard Maher > F > What Richard was unwilling to summarize and thus insisted on wasting > our lookup time with is: > @ > 	Hewlett Packard is planning on purchasing Mercury Interactive > 	for 4.5 billion dollars.   3 Which, of course, still didn't answer the question: <    "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?"  H I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet another1 HP product intended to lead people away from VMS?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 07:35:20 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net, Subject: Re: InfoServer 100 trouble - updateA Message-ID: <1153924520.314958.16680@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D Recalling some earlier post you can boot the infoserver software offG the condist cd (which is usually #2), but I dont recall the command. Is  it4 >>>b/d0000001 cdrom drive on the infoserver or is it >>>b/d0000000 cdrom drive  neither one works thru.  thanks VAXelate wrote: E > Managed to remove the RZ23 from the skeleton of the Infoserver, and F > mount into aq VAX 4105A.  Looks like Richard's comments are spot on.F > An image backup produces a VERY small saveset with one Files-11 rootB > [SYSD] and very little in that.  Obviously, much more is needed. > I > Other than a BACKUP/PHYSICAL (OK if you have an RZ23 with no bad clocks G > where mine doesn't...) or shipping out the RZ23, not sure how else to  > help, sorry. >  > Chris  >  > gl@decadence.it wrote:C > > Il Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:07:14 -0400, Richard Tomkins ha scritto: P > > > A backup /foreign will probably work as I do not believe (old memory) thatR > > > the disk was even remotely files-11 compatible. It was, from what I rememberM > > > custom, as you created partitions for the data you wanted to serve. The P > > > partitions were made by specifying a size, the data was interpreted by theP > > > client application accessing the Infoserver, that being DOS, VMS, Mac, and > > > others.\ > >  > > Hello Richard J > > I will try again the backup solution for this problem at least another	 > > time. I > > If it doesn't work, then I will give up and look for the software cd. * > > Once again, thanks for the information > >  > > Bye  > > gl   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 07:13:16 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?C Message-ID: <1153923196.056197.283590@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brown wrote:$ > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote: > E > > I got a program the output some text followed by <CR><LF> and the C > > result is the the redirected output contains 2 records: the 1st * > > contains the data and the 2nd is empty > , > I am guessing you are using a command like > ! >    $ PIPE yourprog >outfile.txt  > / > Do you get a different result if you do this:  > ) >    $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.txt  >    $ yourprog  >  > ?   @ here is an test (test.c) program which have the quoted behavior:   ---cut here--- #include <stdio>    int main(int argc,char argv[]) { char string[]="foo\n";"         fwrite(string,4,1,stdout);"         fwrite(string,0,1,stdout);         return 1;  }  ---cut here---  ! $ define/user sys$output test.log  $ test  > produce a stmlf file consisting of one record containing "foo"   $ dump/bloc test.log  <  00000000 00000000 00000000 0A6F6F66 foo............. 000000   whereas    $ pipe test > test.log  E produce a VFC file consisting of two records, the firs one containing ! "foo" and the second beeing empty   D > What do you get when you run the program without the pipe?  Is the > output double spaced?   E $ test produce two lines, one containing "foo" the other beeing empty    $ dump/bloc test.log  <  0000FFFF 00000002 006F6F66 8D010005 ....foo......... 000000   $ dump/record test.log  ? Record number 1 (00000001), 3 (0003) bytes, RFA(0001,0000,0000)   <                               6F6F66 foo............. 000000  ? Record number 2 (00000002), 0 (0000) bytes, RFA(0001,0000,0008)    Pierre.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:44:50 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda). Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?2 Message-ID: <06072609445044_2023700B@antinode.org>  % From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com>   $ >         fwrite(string,4,1,stdout);$ >         fwrite(string,0,1,stdout); > [...]  > $ pipe test > test.log > G > produce a VFC file consisting of two records, the firs one containing # > "foo" and the second beeing empty       This should not amaze.    CRTL     fwrite [...] E          size_t fwrite  (const void *ptr, size_t size_of_item, size_t   6                         number_items, FILE *file_ptr); [...]        Description    [...] H          If the file pointed to by file_ptr is a record file, the fwriteG          function outputs at least number_items records, each of length           size_of_item. [...]     C    The same holds for several other similar functions, which is one B reason that it's good to avoid them in code destined for VMS.  ForE example, in the latest cdrecord kit, there was a line which put out a 
 message with:        fwrite(buf, 1, len, f) instead of:        fwrite(buf, len, 1, f)  E While on a UNIX-like system there is no observable difference, on VMS C the difference in appearance in a redirected output file was pretty G obvious.  I noticed it using SET HOST /LOG, which is yet another way to ( get into trouble with this kind of code.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 08:15:07 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?B Message-ID: <1153926907.641032.52760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  G > While on a UNIX-like system there is no observable difference, on VMS E > the difference in appearance in a redirected output file was pretty I > obvious.  I noticed it using SET HOST /LOG, which is yet another way to * > get into trouble with this kind of code.  4 I know... but this code is not mine, it's libxml2 :/  A that why in my 1st post I asked if it was possible to change PIPE @ redirections from record oriented to streamlf... or maybe change sys$output in this way.    Pierre.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:54:13 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda). Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?2 Message-ID: <06072610541363_2023700B@antinode.org>  % From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com>   C > that why in my 1st post I asked if it was possible to change PIPE B > redirections from record oriented to streamlf... or maybe change > sys$output in this way.   G    I think that you're doomed, but I was hoping to learn different from  someone who knew more.      SMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:53:51 GMT & From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (). Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?2 Message-ID: <z6Nxg.1122$en2.1002@news.cpqcorp.net>  j In article <1153926907.641032.52760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> writes: |>  J |> > While on a UNIX-like system there is no observable difference, on VMSH |> > the difference in appearance in a redirected output file was prettyL |> > obvious.  I noticed it using SET HOST /LOG, which is yet another way to- |> > get into trouble with this kind of code.  |>  7 |> I know... but this code is not mine, it's libxml2 :/   )   Which port, and which part, of libxml2?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:37:40 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)) Subject: Re: Transfering files using TFTP ) Message-ID: <ea72jk$c7s$1@news.BelWue.DE>   ` In article <1153874826.176768.130070@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, contracer11@gmail.com writes:I >I=B4m looking for a way to transfer files (using tftp) from Cisco switch 1 >to my Vax/VMS system, but I=B4m having problems:  > @ >   TFTP: error code 1 received - Can't open file for read/write > G >%Error opening tftp://142.20.16.13/DKB7:[ADMIN.SERVICES.TELECOM]x.conf  >(Undefined error)  J TFTP is an unsecure protocol. To reflect this, the file x.conf should have> read, write and delete permission for world. Is this the case?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 06:14:30 -0700 From: contracer11@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: Transfering files using TFTP B Message-ID: <1153919670.372724.84340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: L > In article <1153874826.176768.130070@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, contra= cer11@gmail.com writes: L > >I=3DB4m looking for a way to transfer files (using tftp) from Cisco swit= ch5 > >to my Vax/VMS system, but I=3DB4m having problems:  > > B > >   TFTP: error code 1 received - Can't open file for read/write > > I > >%Error opening tftp://142.20.16.13/DKB7:[ADMIN.SERVICES.TELECOM]x.conf  > >(Undefined error) > L > TFTP is an unsecure protocol. To reflect this, the file x.conf should have@ > read, write and delete permission for world. Is this the case? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  >  > --G >  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452  >  ImmunbiologieK >  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de  >  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany ; >                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html   C TFTP is an unsecure protocol, but most of Cisco switches only haves  this protocol toG transfer config files. I=B4ll try change file permission, like you told  me.=20
 Thanks again!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:59:52 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: Transfering files using TFTP ; Message-ID: <44c79f88.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    contracer11@gmail.com wrote:H > I?m looking for a way to transfer files (using tftp) from Cisco switch0 > to my Vax/VMS system, but I?m having problems: > @ >   TFTP: error code 1 received - Can't open file for read/write > H > %Error opening tftp://142.20.16.13/DKB7:[ADMIN.SERVICES.TELECOM]x.conf > (Undefined error)   G From (perhaps faulty) memory: as TFTP is an insecure protocol, you have > to define on the TFTP server which directory a TFTP client hasG permission to write into. Please see the appropriate TCP/IP services on * which logical name holds this information.   cu,    Martin --  >                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D   KNOW where you want  |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 07:49:10 -0700/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> / Subject: Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug A Message-ID: <1153925329.842383.99020@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   G This process 'crashed' with an ACCVIO executing the instruction pointed G to by PC=81377E78, an instruction in system space. On the system, where ( this process dump has been taken, issue:  
 $ ANAL/SYS SDA> EXA/INS 81377E78   G to have a look at the instruction. This instruction will be most likely # in DECC$SHR_EV56 shareable library.   >  A DBG> SHOW CALLS will show the call stack at the time of the
 exception.  < You seem to have some debug init file, which is being called? automatically. This is not so useful for process dump analysis.   C The .DSF file only helps, if you are examining data or instructions   inside your image address space.   Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:20:48 -0400   From: "DBT" <dbturner@icusc.com> Subject: Re: XP1000 problem 0 Message-ID: <12cf21of25ge562@news.supernews.com>  , That'll teach you to buy from us next time !   David    --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   L <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote in message news:ea6nv30uk0@enews2.newsguy.com...! > DBT <dbturner@icusc.com> wrote: 8 > > It could also be that it has the wrong CPU installed > J > > Check to make sure that the DIP No.7 is in the correct position or not > > pushed up or down properly > H > > This is extremely common if someone has installed a new cpu daughter card: > > IIRC - Up is for the 500Mhz and down is for the 667Mhz > I > Thanks David!!!  This was the problem!  While I bought what should have  beenF > a 667Mhz system (based on the part number), it has a 500Mhz CPU, theJ > mainboard was still set for 667Mhz.  It is quite obvious that the dealerK > didn't test the system.  In thier defence they never said it was a 667Mhz ( > system, and I knew they were clueless. > J > Now to figure out how to get everything cabled, and all the SCSI cards I, > need in there (LVD, Narrow, and HVD).  :^) >  > Zane   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.413 ************************                                                                    