1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 414       Contents:! Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES40 8 Re: Alphaserver 2100 needs a good home - South Cambs, UK Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS@ Re: Any Way to Validate Username & Password from an Application? detect user in winxp Re: detect user in winxp4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company Re: DYNDNS client for OpenVMS? Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman Labs Re: Hoffman LabsD How do I acquire information about non-standard library Ada packagesH Re: How do I acquire information about non-standard library Ada packages# Re: InfoServer 100 trouble - update 8 NetBackup OpenVMS Client Maintenance Packs now available5 PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changed 9 Re: PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changed 9 Re: PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changed % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ? % Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?  PWS500au manual needed Re: PWS500au manual needed Re: PWS500au manual needed Re: PWS500au manual needed Re: PWS500au manual needed  Re: Transfering files using TFTP  Re: Transfering files using TFTP& Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug& Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug& Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug Re: VaxStation vs. Infoserver E Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:00:33 -0400  From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>* Subject: Re: 2 CPU's in timeout on my ES40, Message-ID: <44c77582$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  6 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message * news:12c1odgd5b0dneb@corp.supernews.com... > 2 > <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message > > news:1153428465.241137.282440@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> Syltrem wrote: F >>> Has anyone experienced CPU's ceasing to be in service on an ES40 ? >>> F >>> I've never seen this before, there are no errors on the system or  >>> reported >>> by DIAG . >>> 2 CPUs out of 4 are not working right now. >>>  >>> $ sh cpu >>> $ >>> System: HELIOS, AlphaServer ES40 >>>  >>> CPU ownership sets:  >>>    Active               0,2  >>>    Configure            0-3  >>>  >>> CPU state sets:  >>>    Potential            0-3  >>G >> Strangely enough, I had a similar event last week.     I had an ES40 J >> crash and reboot on Saturday Afternoon.    Since it was not critical, IH >> didn't get to it until Monday, however I found a situation similar toJ >> that described above, (one I had never seen before either!).    One CPUE >> (#2) was in a "TIMEOUT" state.    For me, the command above showed  >> >> CPU ownership sets: >>     Active        0,1,3 >>     Configure    0-3  >> >> A "show CPU 2 /full" showed >> >> CPU 2      State  TIMEOUT >>D >> Interestingly, although the crash occurred on Saturday Afternoon,D >> checking back showed that the CPU had assumed this state sometimeE >> overnight Thursday/Friday, however the system didn't crash at that I >> time.     Also the system rebooted and ran through to Tuesday evening, J >> when it was taken down for repair.    The diagnostics run on the system@ >> by the FE showed that the CPU was toast, and it was replaced. >>J >> I mention this only so that the poster doesnt feel so bad about it, andI >> also to show that although this seemed to be clearly a hardware issue, C >> neither HP nor I was able to find any errors in system error log  >> relating to it. >>& >> The crash dump indicated a BUGCHECK >> >> System crash information  >> ------------------------  >> CPU bugcheck codes:; >>        CPU 00 -- CPUSPINWAIT, CPU spinwait timer expired @ >>        2 others -- CPUEXIT, Shutdown requested by another CPU >>0 >> CPU 02 failed to service the bugcheck request >> >> Dave  >> >  > Interesting. > I > My reason for the crash was the high temperature. I didn't even bother   > looking at the crash dump.G > But the technician could not find any evidence of an error in any log M > Replacing CPU 1 fixed both 1 and 3 (3 possibly could not be seen when 1 is   > dead?)M > I don't know for sure what happened at boot time (preceding the finding of  L > the problem). We do not have a hardcopy of the console. I presume VMS did M > not start those 2 CPUs, because if they had stopped inadvertantly when VMS  @ > is up, it would have known and complained about it, certainly. > 	 > Syltrem   L It has always been one of the 'failings' of the error logs that if a device I is not presented as usable by the console then there will be no errorlog  B entry.  What happened is that your cpus 'died' at the time of the M CPUSPINWAIT bugcheck and when the system rebooted the console told VMS those  L cpus were not usable thus not made active but also no error log entry about M them.  This has always been the case even back to multicpu VAXen, if the cpu  H was in a 'failed' state at boot time it would not be made active and no  error log entry created.     ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:51:27 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: Alphaserver 2100 needs a good home - South Cambs, UK $ Message-ID: <ea8h3v$mb1$1@online.de>  9 In article <pan.2006.06.29.21.08.59.203505@decadence.it>, , "gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it> writes:   ; > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:47:50 +0000, Phillip Helbig wrote: L > > I also have such a beast looking for a good home.  It's in Germany, but K > > I will be travelling quite a bit in Europe this summer and could bring  C > > it to most places.  I also have a 2000 looking for a good home.  > 
 > Hello :) > J > I have to give public thanks to Phillip who bought to me a perfect shape > AlphaServer 2100 in Italy.H > Now the server is sleeping in my lab, waiting to be put at work again. > That day will be very soon!  >  > Thanks Phillip! :) > See you again!  D Glad you are enjoying it!  The heat was a disadvantage while drivingF down (with no air-conditioning), but an advantage during our followingI two weeks of holiday across the water in Croatia.  After another week of  G holiday I've been back for a week and a half now, and am just catching  E up on email and newsgroups, so apologies to anyone else who has been  E corresponding with me about hardware and is still awaiting an answer.   F While I'm thinking about it, I'll be in England 7--13 August and couldE collect and/or distribute some hardware.  Hopefully this weekend I'll G post a list of the few things I want to get rid of.  Below is a list of C the few things I still need.  Belgium or the Netherlands or Germany A between Frankfurt am Main and Belgium is also possible or, 16--26 " August, Sweden, Denmark or Norway.   What I still need:  '    o  BA353 ("pizza-box") expansion box       o  DLT tapes   *    o  small ALPHA machines, EV45 or better  %    o  SBB  disk drives 1 GB or larger    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 17:45:48 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS B Message-ID: <1153961148.067093.220350@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Dave Froble wrote: > >> AEF wrote:  > >>Q > >>>>>> Or we could just (finally) let the business that paid for licenses do it ) > >>>>>> and stop wasting taxpayer money. G > >>>>> What business? What licenses? Could you be a little more vague? N > >>>> Vague?  I merely mentioned old news.  The US Government sold license toR > >>>> operate commercial space operations (including launches) to major companiesH > >>>> decades ago.  Martin Marietta got one of the first.  But then theN > >>>> govenrment never stepped out of the picture.  Starting a new commercialH > >>> Hmmmm. The gov't built it. What should they do? Give it away? That, > >>> would be more wasted taxpayer dollars!5 > >> How about selling it?  Recoup some of the money.  > > @ > > Depends on the consequences. Besides, it ain't gonna happen. > > % > >>> The International Space Station & > >>> -- now there's a waste of money!H > >> It's a first step off the planet.  Perhaps you don't feel we shouldM > >> leave the planet?  There are those with their fingernails still dug into I > >> the cave walls.  Myself, I feel that expanding off the planet is the L > >> only protection against extinction.  We're on the one and only, and all% > >> it takes is the next large rock.  > > H > > Someone at Sky and Telescope wrote an opinion piece about it being aK > > waste of money. We're talking 10's of billions of dollars here for lame H > > experiments. This piece said the superconducting supercollider wouldJ > > have cost far less and done much better science. We're talking Sky and( > > Telescope here!!! Not Physics Today. > D > Many people on the planet.  All have their own priorities.  As you  # Many people on the planet ... what?   I > write, it was an opinion.  Note that I never wrote that the station was 0 > 'science'.  I wrote that it is 'a first step'. > H > What would you propose for a first step?  I'm assuming that the second+ > step cannot be taken before a first step.   > More research and progress in coming up with a feasible way toE accomplish the goal. We need much better spacecraft. That takes money 	 AND time.    > J > > As for leaving the planet... 10's of billions just to orbit the earth? > I > How many 10's of 10's of billions have we wasted, just for the quagmire  > that is Iraq today?   E So you're saying we should spend hundreds of billions to put a man on D Mars. Well, that would be preferable to the Iraq war! But I think itD would take a lot longer than you think, even with unlimited money. IA don't think we have the technology yet. Remember that it took a 6 > million-pound vehicle (IIRC) just to get to the Moon and back.   > F > In the overall picture, money spent on space isn't even a reasonable > drop in the bucket.   G Well, then let's bring back the superconducting supercollider! That was F only going to be $3 billion (before the usual overruns, etc.). Really, I'm all for it.    > H > > Then going to Mars? Going to Mars is fraught with huge difficulties,G > > not the least of which is the danger of radiation to the crew. This 6 > > would be incredibly expensive and difficult to do. > # > Yeah.  You state facts.  So what.   D Another unpleasant fact is that the distance involved to the moon isG about 250,000 miles. Mars at its very closest is 35 million miles away. E A reasonable trajectory using a minimum amount of fuel would probably B involve a trip of something like (very rough estimate) 250,000,000C miles! That's a factor of 1000. And maybe its an underestimate. And D launching from Mars would be much harder than from the Moon. How areE you going to get enough fuel there to do that? Proposals say that the C astronauts should find fuel on Mars itself. Well, I wouldn't bet my F life on something like that quite yet. One op-ed I read said to send aB few individuals on a one-way trip to Mars. It said that some would1 gladly volunteer even knowing they'd die on Mars.    > G > Frankly, I'd opt for the asteroid belt, and space based industry.  In I > the end, much better return on investment.  Much better base for future  > endeavors.   OK.    > K > >>>> venture is hard enough without having to compete with someone who is O > >>>> subsidizing their operation by picking your potential customers pockets. R > >>>> On a level playing field NASA would be defunct, the Shuttle would have beenR > >>>> replaced a decade ago (maybe even before the first disaster) and who knows,# > >>>> we might already be on Mars.   > >>> NASA defunct? speculation.- > >> They should be research, not operations.  > >  > > No comment.  > > < > >>> Shuttle replaced? Maybe, I don't know enough to judge.K > >> The shuttle program is built by bureaucrats, in their image.  The more I > >> people needed, the better.  The damn thing, as far as I know, cannot I > >> even navigate itself.  It needs a hugh ground crew.  Thats where the  > >> money goes. > >> > >>> Mars? Give me a break. > >> Where do you want it? > > / > > Where do I want what? The shuttle? On Mars?  > > H > >> The only response I can come up with is 'ground hugging mud lover'. > > I > > Fine, you pay for the mission to Mars. I'm all for space exploration, B > > but sending humans to Mars now is premature and too expensive. > ) > As for expensive, see above about Iraq.   G Not that I'm justifying the US war in Iraq, but what would justify such F sums of money over other worthy causes? And such sums of money in suchD a short time wouldn't get you on Mars anyway until you solve all theA difficult problems. Remember it took eleven launches (well, 10 -- G Apollo 1 didn't get very far!) to get 2 men on the moon. You want to go ) more than 1000 times as far and get back.    > F > Then consider the hugh technical boost the USA got out of the Apollo
 > program. > ) > Where would you rather spend the money?   E Medical research, for one. Unmanned spacecraft to explore more of the ? Solar System. A replica of the original McKim, Meade, and White F Pennsylvania Station. I need more time to think of others. Oh, there's that pesky national debt.    > K > > Anyway, Bill's point was that if space travel were privatized, we might I > > be on Mars already. That's what I responded to when I said "Give me a  > > break!". > . > Discuss this with Paul Allen and Bert Rutan.  G Is this about the team that put a single human 62 miles above the Earth D for a few seconds? That's not even a partial orbit around the Earth,F much less the Moon or Mars. Well, why haven't they gotten to Mars yet?@ What's stopping them? OK. Even they don't have $200 billion-plus dollars.   > A >   You somehow changed that to my saying that we shouldn't go to / > > Mars. Well, we should, but not prematurely.  > J > Ok, I may have misconstrued.  Regardless, the attitude is defeatest.  Lo  - OK. I think I mixed things up a bit myself!!!   H > these many years ago, when I was a child, I was told, "can't never did, > anything".  I've embraced this philosophy.  B Fine. I didn't say it couldn't be done -- just that it's not worth" going "full speed" on it just yet.  G Someone in this group always ends with "I'm a realist, not a pessimist"  or something like that.   9 Relax, man. It's not like I have any say in such matters.    >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 18:48:37 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS B Message-ID: <1153964917.502115.210240@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: l > In article <1153917332.057547.201460@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > >  > >Dave Froble wrote:  > >> AEF wrote:  > >>R > >> >>>> Or we could just (finally) let the business that paid for licenses do it* > >> >>>> and stop wasting taxpayer money.H > >> >>> What business? What licenses? Could you be a little more vague?O > >> >> Vague?  I merely mentioned old news.  The US Government sold license to S > >> >> operate commercial space operations (including launches) to major companies I > >> >> decades ago.  Martin Marietta got one of the first.  But then the O > >> >> govenrment never stepped out of the picture.  Starting a new commercial  > >> >I > >> > Hmmmm. The gov't built it. What should they do? Give it away? That - > >> > would be more wasted taxpayer dollars!  > >>5 > >> How about selling it?  Recoup some of the money.  > > ? > >Depends on the consequences. Besides, it ain't gonna happen.  > >  > >>& > >> > The International Space Station' > >> > -- now there's a waste of money!  > >> > . > Agreed. A Lunar base would have been better. >  > > . > >Where do I want what? The shuttle? On Mars? > >  > >>H > >> The only response I can come up with is 'ground hugging mud lover'. > > H > >Fine, you pay for the mission to Mars. I'm all for space exploration,A > >but sending humans to Mars now is premature and too expensive.  > >  > L > Premature ? The last 25 years have been pretty well wasted as far as human! > space exploration is concerned.   B Well, yes and no. We have learned a lot about putting people up inE space for extended periods. One thing we learned is that zero-gravity E can have negative effects on the musculoskeltal system. For a trip to F Mars we'd probably have to construct a centrifuge to create artificial@ gravity. This would cause a significant increase in the payload!  F I think trying put humans on Mars now is like trying to go to the MoonE in the 1920's. We just don't have the technology yet (well, I have to G admit I haven't read up on this topic, but I think at the very least it G would be very difficult and certainly very, very expensive! Look at how A the space program has gone so far: 3 lives lost going to the Moon E (Apollo 1). 3 more lives very nearly lost on the same mission (Apollo F 13). Fourteen lost on the Shuttle to date! I believe the Russians lostA at least one cosmonaut, but they didn't go to the moon or build a  shuttle.   JMHO   AEF    >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  > PS.  > L > There is an interesting radio adaptation of Stephen Baxter's Voyage on BBCJ > radio 7 this week at 6.30pm and 12.30 which is an alternative history ofM > NASA and space travel assuming that a new goal of sending a man to Mars had  > followed the moon landings.  >  >  >  > J > >Anyway, Bill's point was that if space travel were privatized, we mightH > >be on Mars already. That's what I responded to when I said "Give me aI > >break!". You somehow changed that to my saying that we shouldn't go to . > >Mars. Well, we should, but not prematurely. > >  > >> > >> -- 9 > >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 C > >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  > >> DFE Ultralights, Inc. > >> 170 Grimplin Road > >> Vanderbilt, PA  15486 > >  > >AEF > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:27:49 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)I Subject: Re: Any Way to Validate Username & Password from an Application? ; Message-ID: <44c824a5.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    Phillip Helbig wrote: - > "Craig Dedo" <Dedo.Craig@mayo.edu> writes:   >  >> Everyone:C >>     Is there any way to validate a username and password from an I >> application?  We need to have this functionality in one of our OpenVMS  >> applications. > J > The source code for the OSU HTTP server uses system services to do this.$ > You could take that as an example.  ! I have a C source code snippet at E http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/VMS_Programming_FAQ.html#3.8.    cu,    Martin --  A  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  for the change to take    |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:15:35 -0700* From: "lashnjo" <pardue.stephen@gmail.com> Subject: detect user in winxp B Message-ID: <1153977335.287395.100980@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  C how can i detect the current user in winxp, is there a dos command?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:16:50 -0700* From: "lashnjo" <pardue.stephen@gmail.com>! Subject: Re: detect user in winxp C Message-ID: <1153977410.817029.260200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   - i'm sorry i posted in the wrong group, my bad  kill me -.-  lashnjo wrote:E > how can i detect the current user in winxp, is there a dos command?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 13:28:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company 3 Message-ID: <YCEq9azVJBwm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4ipl4kF4ttq2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  5 > Which, of course, still didn't answer the question: > >    "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?" > J > I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet another3 > HP product intended to lead people away from VMS?   B I don't see how it has anything to do with VMS.  It is a different? business, just like digital photography.  Someone might want to @ have digital processing capability on VMS, but unless you are APF or Reuters, VMS-level reliability for your digital photos is overkill.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:21:53 -0400 * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company E Message-ID: <paul.anderson-1732E8.10215326072006@usenet01.boi.hp.com>    In article  > <8660a3a10607260649u1444f81fk3f0fd836af53f62c@mail.gmail.com>,1  "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:   C > Am I the only one who's never heard of these Mercury Interactive  	 > people?    No.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jul 2006 00:16:12 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company + Message-ID: <4iqeubF4k4pnU1@individual.net>   3 In article <YCEq9azVJBwm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:X > In article <4ipl4kF4ttq2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > 6 >> Which, of course, still didn't answer the question:? >>    "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?"  >>  K >> I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet another 4 >> HP product intended to lead people away from VMS? > D > I don't see how it has anything to do with VMS.  It is a differentA > business, just like digital photography.  Someone might want to B > have digital processing capability on VMS, but unless you are APH > or Reuters, VMS-level reliability for your digital photos is overkill.  . Maybe my point wasn't clear enough (again :-).  G It is my understanding that what they sell is software for running your D business (prepackaged stuff along the same lines as SAP).  It has toB run on something.  If it is not VMS, then this becomes yet anotherE reason for HP sales droids to steer people away from VMS while trying > to convince them they need to run "Mercury BTO Enterprise" and2 therefore they need to run whatever OS it runs on.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:36:21 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company [ Message-ID: <rdeininger-2607062036210001@dialup-4.233.173.107.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>   C In article <4ipl4kF4ttq2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu wrote:   4 >In article <tExJPKUSE8YC@eisner.encompasserve.org>,8 >        Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:D >> In article <ea7hgd$o5e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher"% <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>> Hi,  >>> > >>> So what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction? >>> N >>> A quick flick suggests Mercury is better known for fiddling the books withG >>> dodgy share options than software - As much sense as buying Compaq?  >>> 1 >>> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060726/323/ghtqm.html  >>>  >>> Regards Richard Maher  >>  G >> What Richard was unwilling to summarize and thus insisted on wasting  >> our lookup time with is:  >>  F >>       Hewlett Packard is planning on purchasing Mercury Interactive! >>       for 4.5 billion dollars.  > 4 >Which, of course, still didn't answer the question:= >   "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?"  > I >I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet another 2 >HP product intended to lead people away from VMS?    H Absolutely.  HP is spending $4.5 Billion for the sole purpose of getting customers away from VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:14:32 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company . Message-ID: <ZrUxg.72067$fG3.59342@dukeread09>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > Which, of course, still didn't answer the question: > >    "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?" > J > I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet another3 > HP product intended to lead people away from VMS?    No.   = They buy a series of system development and system operations  support tools.  7 They do probably not run on VMS, but they could be used 9 for systems running on VMS, if customers were interested.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:19:44 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>= Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company . Message-ID: <QwUxg.72068$fG3.22095@dukeread09>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:I > It is my understanding that what they sell is software for running your ; > business (prepackaged stuff along the same lines as SAP).   ? SAP is ERP - Mercury is not ERP. I think that Mercury is closer % to the CA stuff and the Tivoli stuff.   G >                                                             It has to D > run on something.  If it is not VMS, then this becomes yet anotherG > reason for HP sales droids to steer people away from VMS while trying @ > to convince them they need to run "Mercury BTO Enterprise" and4 > therefore they need to run whatever OS it runs on.  8 At least the Mercury stuff I know about would usually be8 running on small cheap boxes, but possible testing a big expensive box.  & If you are load testing a config with:  + ---Apache/Linux---WebLogic/VMS---Oracle/VMS   0 [I do not know if that is a particular realistic config, but ...]  4 then I can really not see any purpose on running the5 load simulator on a VMS box instead of a 500 USD PC !    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:55:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company ) Message-ID: <op.tdbrnbr2zgicya@hyrrokkin>   7 On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:36:21 -0700, Robert Deininger  =   % <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote:   E > In article <4ipl4kF4ttq2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu wrote:  > 6 >> In article <tExJPKUSE8YC@eisner.encompasserve.org>,9 >>        Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: E >>> In article <ea7hgd$o5e$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" ' > <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>>> Hi, >>>>? >>>> So what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?  >>>>I >>>> A quick flick suggests Mercury is better known for fiddling the boo=  ks  =   	 >>>> with I >>>> dodgy share options than software - As much sense as buying Compaq?=    >>>>2 >>>> http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/060726/323/ghtqm.html >>>> >>>> Regards Richard Maher >>> I >>> What Richard was unwilling to summarize and thus insisted on wasting=    >>> our lookup time with is: >>> G >>>       Hewlett Packard is planning on purchasing Mercury Interactive " >>>       for 4.5 billion dollars. >>6 >> Which, of course, still didn't answer the question:> >>   "what if anything does it mean for VMS and hp direction?" >>I >> I didn't see any mention of VMS on their website, so is this yet anot=  her 4 >> HP product intended to lead people away from VMS? >  > I > Absolutely.  HP is spending $4.5 Billion for the sole purpose of getti=  ng > customers away from VMS.  I The question remains, can they do it with that dreck.  Can't say that I =  am  =    familiarH with it, but judging from their web site it looks pretty mediocre.  I  =  & think it is intended to bolster HP-UX.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:39:49 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: DYNDNS client for OpenVMS? $ Message-ID: <ea8jul$mb1$5@online.de>  C In article <1153258003.391076.261200@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 1 "Julian Wolfe" <fireflyst@earthlink.net> writes:    G > I'm looking at putting my Alpha on the front end of my network for my H > own general usage and web serving some small sites.  Is there a client& > around for using the DYNDNS service?  D There have been several responses here.  I'm catching up here after " holiday, so I might be a bit late.  A I wrote my own in DCL which uses LYNX both for extracting the WAN H address from the router (only the WAN address is publicly visible; it isH a NAT/PAT router and the stuff on the LAN side has private IP addresses)G and for performing the update.  Note that I update much more often than I just when the address changes.  A DNS provider who a) allows this and b)  G provides real functionality as a result (such as informing you via SMS  F when you have lost connectivity) is a real boon.  The only one I know G also has great rates compared to other providers, even without all the   extra functionality provided:       http://www.dynaccess.com/  E Note in particular the HeartBeat feature and the IP-based SMTP relay   server.   7 (I am not employed by them; just a satisfied customer.)    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:19:39 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs $ Message-ID: <ea8ior$mb1$3@online.de>  5 In article <44B6F20D.D69023AB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > jls wrote:J > > >If you mean the ubiquitous Mr.Hoffman then parhaps he is busy or just- > > >wants to preserve a sense of mystery :-)  > >  > > International even. ;-) ;-)  >  > J > Yep, and his silence is due to a special mission he is on, travelling in+ > his own 747 painted in 1960s go-go style.   % Whatever happened to the Black Bunny?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:17:13 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs $ Message-ID: <ea8ik9$mb1$2@online.de>  C In article <1152375428.332679.190410@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, > "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:    >  > Phaeton wrote: > > Neil Rieck wrote: P > > > I just stumbled across a web site titled "Hoffman Labs" by Stephen Hoffman > > >  > > > http://hoffmanlabs.org/  > > C > > 	Interesting :-) I got a typical Hoff message when I clicked on @ > > 	the "About" ( and other ) links :-)  Maybe it is just me... > > G > >                                                     Cheers,   Csaba  >  > I love the "Legal" link... > 9 > The whole site certainly has that "Hoff" feel about it.   C I find that I can often recognise regular posters (e.g. Hoff here,  D Richard Maine over in comp.lang.fortran) after just skimming over a H couple of lines.  Of course, we can recognise several people we know by G HEARING a couple of lines spoken, but this makes me wonder how much of  E that is due to the timbre of the voice and how much to the choice of  D words (i.e. that which one would also notice by reading a couple of " lines as opposed to hearing them).   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 13:50:41 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs B Message-ID: <1153947041.292086.27350@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 7 > In article <44B6F20D.D69023AB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > > jls wrote:L > > > >If you mean the ubiquitous Mr.Hoffman then parhaps he is busy or just/ > > > >wants to preserve a sense of mystery :-)  > > > ! > > > International even. ;-) ;-)  > >  > > L > > Yep, and his silence is due to a special mission he is on, travelling in- > > his own 747 painted in 1960s go-go style.  > ' > Whatever happened to the Black Bunny?   F IIRC Hef had to sell it sometime in the 80's when Playboy ran into IRS and revenue problems.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:01:48 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs B Message-ID: <1153947708.506828.44150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 9 > > In article <44B6F20D.D69023AB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei * > > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >  > > > jls wrote:N > > > > >If you mean the ubiquitous Mr.Hoffman then parhaps he is busy or just1 > > > > >wants to preserve a sense of mystery :-)  > > > > # > > > > International even. ;-) ;-)  > > >  > > > N > > > Yep, and his silence is due to a special mission he is on, travelling in/ > > > his own 747 painted in 1960s go-go style.  > > ) > > Whatever happened to the Black Bunny?  > H > IIRC Hef had to sell it sometime in the 80's when Playboy ran into IRS > and revenue problems.   9 Okay, I was wrong...  A quote from "The World of Playboy" 5 http://www.playboy.com/worldofplayboy/faq/hef.html#12    What was the Big Bunny? F The Big Bunny was a 119-foot long DC-9 jet that became the most famousE private plane in the world. Painted black with a white Rabbit Head on F its tail, it carried Hef between his Chicago and Los Angeles homes andD around the world. It was equipped with a galley, living room, disco,A movie and video equipment, a wet bar and sleeping quarters for 16 C guests. The company sold the plane in 1976 after Hef settled in Los  Angeles.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:53:39 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Hoffman Labs I Message-ID: <8660a3a10607262053t31ac13fbj9f680b825b0e9d23@mail.gmail.com>   7 On 26 Jul 2006 13:50:41 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  > 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 9 > > In article <44B6F20D.D69023AB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei * > > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >  > > > jls wrote:N > > > > >If you mean the ubiquitous Mr.Hoffman then parhaps he is busy or just1 > > > > >wants to preserve a sense of mystery :-)  > > > > # > > > > International even. ;-) ;-)  > > >  > > > N > > > Yep, and his silence is due to a special mission he is on, travelling in/ > > > his own 747 painted in 1960s go-go style.  > > ) > > Whatever happened to the Black Bunny?  > H > IIRC Hef had to sell it sometime in the 80's when Playboy ran into IRS > and revenue problems.  >  >   O I misread the sentence as saying that HOFF had to sell it sometime in the '80s.    Best laugh I've had all week.   
 Thanks, John.    WWWebb   --  C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 11:13:45 -0700* From: "Chris Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>M Subject: How do I acquire information about non-standard library Ada packages B Message-ID: <1153937625.891281.39820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>  0 Hello, my question is asked on the subject line.  
 Thank you, Christopher Lusardi    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:20:27 GMT > From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam.not.jrcarter@acm.not.spam.org>Q Subject: Re: How do I acquire information about non-standard library Ada packages 0 Message-ID: <v0Rxg.1101333$xm3.247986@attbi_s21>   Chris Lusardi wrote:2 > Hello, my question is asked on the subject line.  - Have you tried adapower.com and adaworld.com?    --   Jeff Carter 6 "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of> thought, cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." Blazing Saddles  89   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 16:51:12 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>, Subject: Re: InfoServer 100 trouble - updateC Message-ID: <1153957872.808844.220760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    gl@decadence.it wrote:/ > >>My trouble with InfoServer 100, once again. F > >>I finally managed to get the binary kits for the InfoServer 100 by% > >>downloading them from a FTP site.  > > J > > Where? I'm still not aware of binary kits for the InfoServer software. > I > A person from this newsgroup let me download the software kits from his # > machine. I thought it could work. J > I just tried since this is the only piece of software I have found right! > now and I had nothing to loose.  > F > >>I've tried to restore them to the RZ23 disk from InfoServer, but IK > >>failed. Sorry for asking so silly questions to you, I have the hardware 2 > >>but still not the knowledge to be indipendent. > > 1 > > Then you're on the right street here, pal ;-)  > K > A step follow another maybe some day I could walk the street by my own :)  > I > > What should this do? You try to put the contents of an old InfoServer L > > Client (!) for OpenVMS (ESS031, was a LAST/DAST add on package for olderD > > VMS versions, V5 IIRC, later VMS versions had then the LAST/DASTI > > protocol support native) and an old ISO9660 Support AddOn Package for K > > OpenVMS (V5 IIRC, later versions had ISO9660 Support native in VMS) and J > > another software for OpenVMS (to obviously monitor an InfoServer) on aK > > disk destined for the infoserver to boot? This can't work, of course...  > > D > > And such .A backup savesets are VMSINSTAL kits. For VMS. Got it? >  > Thanks, very clear now.  > L > > Yes, of course. And the Infoserver is also not running VMS. And you alsoJ > > made no bootblock on the disk (this would require a eg. $ BACKUP/IMAGE: > > or eg. $ BACKUP/PHYSICAL or eg. $ MCR WRITEBOOT or...) > > A > > Why not reading VMS HELP what INIT/SYSTEM does? (Surely not a L > > bootblock). Have you seen the VMS FAQ already (though I don't know if itI > > would help with the infoserver, but surely with the things you did or  > > tried to do).  >  > A good point. L > In fact I've read documentation very fast and I just went trying things as > they come.B > Not a good way at all, thanks for let me remember the right way! > J > > Boot the infoserver from the InfoServer CD (that's the hard part, as IK > > don't know anyone who still has a copy left), then install the software F > > onto the infoserver harddisk (but I don't remember how = ~16 yearsG > > ago)... (Maybe you can find someone with a working infoserver which ? > > duplicates you its boot disk - BACKUP/PHYSICAL might help).  > > K > > Once the infoserver is running, you could upgrade the InfoServer to the F > > latest version (IIRC V3.5A) by "UPDATE SYSTEM FROM DKx:" it from aK > > VAX/VMS Condist CD (IIRC, the InfoServer Software was on CD#5). I don't C > > know however (and I still doubt it) if you can also install the I > > infoserver from CD#5 but maybe you're lucky (as I [used to] have such  > > CDs around)  > > F > > Later you could then upgrade the Infoserver to more features (TapeD > > Support, CD Buring Support) by "UPDATE FUNCTIONS FROM dkx:" withI > > appropriate CDs (which seem to be empty if looked at from VMS - maybe  > > I've a /PHYSICAL copy) >  > Maybe someday I'll find.H > By now I have looked for the Infoserver software CD but I didn't find.; > Until then, the InfoServer have to go back in the garage.  >  > Thanks > Bye  > gl  F Can the Infoserver 1000 boot over the network?  I know there was a wayC to boot and update an IS1000 via MOP from a VMS system, but I don't  know if an IS100 or 150 could.  F The only kit I have here is an InfoServer 1000 updater kit.  There are2 no IS150 or 100 files or information in it at all.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:53:07 +0100 & From: Alan Fay <alan_fay@symantec.com>A Subject: NetBackup OpenVMS Client Maintenance Packs now available 3 Message-ID: <ea8h6v$mm$1$830fa79d@news.demon.co.uk>   >   The latest downloadable NetBackup OpenVMS Client 5_0 and 6_0A   maintenance packs are now available from VERITAS support. These I   maintenace packs fully support VAX, Alpha and HP Integrity I64 Servers.   C   We support the same functionality across all platforms, and we do E   make a special effort to support older VAX systems, because we have E   customers who run a large number of these systems which are working -   reliably 24/7 with very little maintenance.   <   Please see the NetBackup User's Guide for OpenVMS which is"   available from VERITAS support:-  D   ftp://ftp.emea.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/       nbu_v6_0_vms_pdf.zip    
   Alan Fay   NBU Client Team    Roseville Engineering    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:48:49 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)> Subject: PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changed6 Message-ID: <00A5946C.98A4A8D9@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   	 VMS 7.3-2  DS20E   O In this particular case, I'm trying to upgrade CSWS-JAVA from 2.1 to 3.0, which  means removing 2.1  J When 2.1 was installed, my $WEB device was a directory tree on DKA2:[WEB.]J There've been a couple of evolutions since then, and now my $WEB device isL DSA3: - a shadow set.  Tomcat continues to work (for the minimal uses we use# it for), and everything seems cool.   J But PRODUCT REMOVE insists on removing from DKA2:[WEB], which doesn't even exist any more.     C I don't seem to be able to specify a /DESTINATION for uninstalling.   L Even if I manually remove all trace of my Tomcat installation (which I don'tH want to do), PCSI will still remember that it was there and keep me from installing the upgrade.   
 What do I do?    Thanks,   ? -- Alan (who has dismantled a VMSINSTAL kit or two in his time)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:43:21 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)B Subject: Re: PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changed; Message-ID: <44c82849.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   M Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston@ssrl.slac.stanford.edu> wrote:  > VMS 7.3-2  > DS20E  > K > In this particular case, I'm trying to upgrade CSWS-JAVA from 2.1 to 3.0,  > which means removing 2.1 > L > When 2.1 was installed, my $WEB device was a directory tree on DKA2:[WEB.]L > There've been a couple of evolutions since then, and now my $WEB device isJ > DSA3: - a shadow set.  Tomcat continues to work (for the minimal uses we) > use it for), and everything seems cool.  > L > But PRODUCT REMOVE insists on removing from DKA2:[WEB], which doesn't even > exist any more.     J Seems like the disk didn't only evolve from DKA2 to DSA3, but also changed= the label - IIRC, that's what PCSI uses to identify a volume.    E > I don't seem to be able to specify a /DESTINATION for uninstalling.  > H > Even if I manually remove all trace of my Tomcat installation (which IH > don't want to do), PCSI will still remember that it was there and keep! > me from installing the upgrade.  >  > What do I do?   	 How about # $ define /job /trans=conc DKA2 DSA3  for the removal?   cu,    Martin --  >                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  Microsoft wants        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:08:19 -0700/ From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> B Subject: Re: PCSI uninstalling products whose location has changedB Message-ID: <1153969699.617439.48230@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > VMSers --  >  > VMS 7.3-2  > DS20E  > Q > In this particular case, I'm trying to upgrade CSWS-JAVA from 2.1 to 3.0, which  > means removing 2.1 > L > When 2.1 was installed, my $WEB device was a directory tree on DKA2:[WEB.]L > There've been a couple of evolutions since then, and now my $WEB device isN > DSA3: - a shadow set.  Tomcat continues to work (for the minimal uses we use% > it for), and everything seems cool.  > L > But PRODUCT REMOVE insists on removing from DKA2:[WEB], which doesn't even > exist any more.  > E > I don't seem to be able to specify a /DESTINATION for uninstalling.  > N > Even if I manually remove all trace of my Tomcat installation (which I don'tJ > want to do), PCSI will still remember that it was there and keep me from > installing the upgrade.  >  > What do I do?  > 	 > Thanks,  > A > -- Alan (who has dismantled a VMSINSTAL kit or two in his time)    Alan,   # Check $HELP PRODUCT REGISTER VOLUME    Dave.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:00:26 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>. Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?0 Message-ID: <44C7BBCA.5A2D9F3F@spam.comcast.net>  
 Pierre wrote:  >  > Rob Brown wrote:& > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Pierre wrote: > > G > > > I got a program the output some text followed by <CR><LF> and the E > > > result is the the redirected output contains 2 records: the 1st , > > > contains the data and the 2nd is empty > > . > > I am guessing you are using a command like > > # > >    $ PIPE yourprog >outfile.txt  > > 1 > > Do you get a different result if you do this:  > > + > >    $ DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.txt  > >    $ yourprog  > >  > > ?  > B > here is an test (test.c) program which have the quoted behavior: >  > ---cut here--- > #include <stdio> > " > int main(int argc,char argv[]) { > char string[]="foo\n";$ >         fwrite(string,4,1,stdout);$ >         fwrite(string,0,1,stdout);  < The second fwrite doesn't appear to belong. Why is it there?   >         return 1;  > }    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:23:08 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?C Message-ID: <1153948988.493759.102130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   $ hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:l > In article <1153926907.641032.52760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> writes: > |>L > |> > While on a UNIX-like system there is no observable difference, on VMSJ > |> > the difference in appearance in a redirected output file was prettyN > |> > obvious.  I noticed it using SET HOST /LOG, which is yet another way to/ > |> > get into trouble with this kind of code.  > |>9 > |> I know... but this code is not mine, it's libxml2 :/  > + >   Which port, and which part, of libxml2?   E this port http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ (src are there F http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/sources/) in (from the top- of my head, I'm at home right now...) xmlIO.c    Pierre   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:14:29 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?A Message-ID: <1153948468.985768.93300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    > > ---cut here--- > > #include <stdio> > > $ > > int main(int argc,char argv[]) { > > char string[]="foo\n";& > >         fwrite(string,4,1,stdout);& > >         fwrite(string,0,1,stdout); > > > The second fwrite doesn't appear to belong. Why is it there?  E before exiting, libxml2 flushes its caches. if the cache is empty, it @ does such an empty fwrite. on unix, it doesn't matter. on VMS...   > >         return 1;  > > }  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/   Pierre.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 14:29:03 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?C Message-ID: <1153949343.094404.132410@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   
 Pierre wrote: & > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:n > > In article <1153926907.641032.52760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> writes: > > |>N > > |> > While on a UNIX-like system there is no observable difference, on VMSL > > |> > the difference in appearance in a redirected output file was prettyP > > |> > obvious.  I noticed it using SET HOST /LOG, which is yet another way to1 > > |> > get into trouble with this kind of code.  > > |>; > > |> I know... but this code is not mine, it's libxml2 :/  > > - > >   Which port, and which part, of libxml2?  > G > this port http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/ (src are there H > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/sources/) in (from the top/ > of my head, I'm at home right now...) xmlIO.c   D FWIW, and if s/o is interrested, I raised this problem while running? the validation tests after the compilation of xmlstarlet on VMS    > Pierre   Pierre.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2006 21:45:03 GMT* From: js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling). Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?+ Message-ID: <4iq62vF4p18tU1@news.dfncis.de>   2 In article <06072609445044_2023700B@antinode.org>,+ Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:   D >   The same holds for several other similar functions, which is oneC >reason that it's good to avoid them in code destined for VMS.  For F >example, in the latest cdrecord kit, there was a line which put out a >message with: >      fwrite(buf, 1, len, f)  >instead of: >      fwrite(buf, len, 1, f)   F This VMS bug is a reason why the current patch for VMS is unacceptable for the official cdrecord.  I I am sorry but if VMS has this kind of unfixed fatal bugs, someone should 8 make a bug report and cry loudly until the bug is fixed.  L If VMS ignores standards and implements standard functions incorreclty, then VMS is unusable :-(      Here is the standard:   C http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fwrite.html   ! The correct call in libschily is:    cnt = fwrite(buf, 1, len, f);   F It is the only way that works as unfortunately, the fwrite return codeI is "nitems", we need to set the "itemsize" parameter to 1 to get a useful  result.    --  L EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jrg Schilling D-13353 Berlin!       js@cs.tu-berlin.de		(uni)   L       schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de	(work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/M URL:  http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:03:38 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?+ Message-ID: <44C7E6B9.C3E38393@comcast.net>    Joerg Schilling wrote: > 4 > In article <06072609445044_2023700B@antinode.org>,- > Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:  > F > >   The same holds for several other similar functions, which is oneE > >reason that it's good to avoid them in code destined for VMS.  For H > >example, in the latest cdrecord kit, there was a line which put out a > >message with: > >      fwrite(buf, 1, len, f)  > >instead of: > >      fwrite(buf, len, 1, f)  > H > This VMS bug is a reason why the current patch for VMS is unacceptable > for the official cdrecord. > K > I am sorry but if VMS has this kind of unfixed fatal bugs, someone should : > make a bug report and cry loudly until the bug is fixed. > N > If VMS ignores standards and implements standard functions incorreclty, then > VMS is unusable :-(  >  > Here is the standard:  > E > http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/fwrite.html  > # > The correct call in libschily is:  >  > cnt = fwrite(buf, 1, len, f);  > H > It is the only way that works as unfortunately, the fwrite return codeK > is "nitems", we need to set the "itemsize" parameter to 1 to get a useful 	 > result.   D Hoff has been participating in this thread. While I cannot speak forE him, it's a fair bet that he will raise the issue internally with the @ members of the GNV and/or CRTL team(s), if however informally...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:55:40 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda). Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?2 Message-ID: <06072622554083_20246DB2@antinode.org>  * From: js@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joerg Schilling)  F > >   The same holds for several other similar functions, which is oneE > >reason that it's good to avoid them in code destined for VMS.  For H > >example, in the latest cdrecord kit, there was a line which put out a > >message with: > >      fwrite(buf, 1, len, f)  > >instead of: > >      fwrite(buf, len, 1, f)  > H > This VMS bug is a reason why the current patch for VMS is unacceptable > for the official cdrecord. > K > I am sorry but if VMS has this kind of unfixed fatal bugs, someone should : > make a bug report and cry loudly until the bug is fixed. > N > If VMS ignores standards and implements standard functions incorreclty, then > VMS is unusable :-(   F   I'd say that "unusable" is a little harsh.  (I use it all the time.)  ?    Is it a bug?  I'd say that that's a matter of opinion.  It's A certainly different from UNIX, but the file system on VMS is also F different from a UNIX file system, and that leads to such differences.  # > The correct call in libschily is:  >  > cnt = fwrite(buf, 1, len, f);  > H > It is the only way that works as unfortunately, the fwrite return codeK > is "nitems", we need to set the "itemsize" parameter to 1 to get a useful 	 > result.   C    Oh.  I was careless with the byte count.  So, what's wrong with:   %    cnt = len* fwrite(buf, len, 1, f);  ?   D So far as I can see, it does the same thing in this case.  (I assumeE that ferror() will still return a non-zero value if not all the bytes H were written.)  It might be more fun to complain about the C RTL in VMS,; but is that more productive than making so simple a change?   H    For the normal reader, the code in question is in the latest cdrtools% kit, "[.libschily.stdio]filewrite.c":    [...] "         if (my_flag(f) & _IOUNBUF)4                 return (write(fileno(f), buf, len));B         cnt = fwrite(buf, 1, len, f);                   /* <--- */           if (!ferror(f))                  return (cnt); '         if (!(my_flag(f) & _IONORAISE)) !         raisecond(_writeerr, 0L);          return (-1); [...]   F    If this would be too awful for non-VMS systems, then I suppose that& an "ifdef __VMS" might be needed here.  E    In any case, I'm glad that you're looking at the proposed changes, D and I would also be glad to hear any other complaints you might have about them.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:10:17 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org>  Subject: PWS500au manual needed 6 Message-ID: <44c7da3d$0$74142$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  @ I have a used PWS500au normally running VMS.  Recently we had a F lightning storm and I powered it off.  When I went to boot it came up G with no saved time and in Alpha BIOS instead of SRM.  I can select SRM  I and boot but if it power cycles the same thing happens.  I suspect there  E is a battery that is dead but I would like to have the manual to see  5 what and where it is BEFORE I start tearing it apart.    Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:31:39 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> # Subject: Re: PWS500au manual needed H Message-ID: <8660a3a10607261431pac32a9crd404775e7196e4d6@mail.gmail.com>  D I believe that the PWS manual was available in a zip file that, when unzipped, is an online manual.  C Another indicator of the early Digital/Compaq days when the company * was trying to decide whether fish or fowl?   WWWebb  0 On 7/26/06, Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote:A > I have a used PWS500au normally running VMS.  Recently we had a G > lightning storm and I powered it off.  When I went to boot it came up H > with no saved time and in Alpha BIOS instead of SRM.  I can select SRMJ > and boot but if it power cycles the same thing happens.  I suspect thereF > is a battery that is dead but I would like to have the manual to see7 > what and where it is BEFORE I start tearing it apart.  >  > Jim  >      --  C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:37:50 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> # Subject: Re: PWS500au manual needed I Message-ID: <8660a3a10607261437h5520f53bx7188b6a5fce2ca4e@mail.gmail.com>   0 On 7/26/06, Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote:A > I have a used PWS500au normally running VMS.  Recently we had a G > lightning storm and I powered it off.  When I went to boot it came up H > with no saved time and in Alpha BIOS instead of SRM.  I can select SRMJ > and boot but if it power cycles the same thing happens.  I suspect thereF > is a battery that is dead but I would like to have the manual to see7 > what and where it is BEFORE I start tearing it apart.  >  > Jim  >   , Memory served me right this time, I believe.  M http://h18000.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/retired/aseries/index.html    Look at the menu on the right.  . Service guide is the one I was thinking about.. It says -a series, but I think it covers both.  8 If you need something more detailed, email me privately.   WWWebb --  C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:53:47 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> # Subject: Re: PWS500au manual needed * Message-ID: <44C7E46B.6020006@mehlhop.org>   Perfect!  Thanks!!!    Jim      William Webb wrote:   2 > On 7/26/06, Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote: > B >> I have a used PWS500au normally running VMS.  Recently we had aH >> lightning storm and I powered it off.  When I went to boot it came upI >> with no saved time and in Alpha BIOS instead of SRM.  I can select SRM K >> and boot but if it power cycles the same thing happens.  I suspect there G >> is a battery that is dead but I would like to have the manual to see 8 >> what and where it is BEFORE I start tearing it apart. >> >> Jim >> > . > Memory served me right this time, I believe. > P > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/retired/aseries/index.html  >  >   > Look at the menu on the right. > 0 > Service guide is the one I was thinking about.0 > It says -a series, but I think it covers both. > : > If you need something more detailed, email me privately. >  > WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:33:52 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> # Subject: Re: PWS500au manual needed : Message-ID: <nKKdneVuwe1vlFXZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Jim Mehlhop wrote:  E > That's assuming I can find something on the HP WEB site.  I have a  ! > horrible success rate for that.  >  <snip>  F HP's search engine sucks big time!  Use google and follow your search < string with "site:hp.com".  It will save you a lot of agony.  B FWIW, the battery you need is probably a 2032 coin cell.  HP will G probably sell you one for $25 plus $25 shipping but you can buy one in  % your local super market for about $3!    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 13:38:16 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org) Subject: Re: Transfering files using TFTP 3 Message-ID: <8FF8OgUbKcOa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <44c79f88.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: > contracer11@gmail.com wrote:I >> I?m looking for a way to transfer files (using tftp) from Cisco switch 1 >> to my Vax/VMS system, but I?m having problems:  >>  A >>   TFTP: error code 1 received - Can't open file for read/write  >>  I >> %Error opening tftp://142.20.16.13/DKB7:[ADMIN.SERVICES.TELECOM]x.conf  >> (Undefined error) > I > From (perhaps faulty) memory: as TFTP is an insecure protocol, you have @ > to define on the TFTP server which directory a TFTP client hasI > permission to write into. Please see the appropriate TCP/IP services on , > which logical name holds this information.  B One way of handling TFTP security is to deny write access to files@ that do not already exist and to permit write access only if the% existing file has world write access.   E I say this, however, without ever having used TFTP under TCP services  for VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 20:31:55 -0700 From: contracer11@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: Transfering files using TFTP C Message-ID: <1153971114.963145.110510@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: r > In article <44c79f88.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:  > > contracer11@gmail.com wrote:K > >> I?m looking for a way to transfer files (using tftp) from Cisco switch 3 > >> to my Vax/VMS system, but I?m having problems:  > >>C > >>   TFTP: error code 1 received - Can't open file for read/write  > >>K > >> %Error opening tftp://142.20.16.13/DKB7:[ADMIN.SERVICES.TELECOM]x.conf  > >> (Undefined error) > > K > > From (perhaps faulty) memory: as TFTP is an insecure protocol, you have B > > to define on the TFTP server which directory a TFTP client hasK > > permission to write into. Please see the appropriate TCP/IP services on . > > which logical name holds this information. > D > One way of handling TFTP security is to deny write access to filesB > that do not already exist and to permit write access only if the' > existing file has world write access.  > G > I say this, however, without ever having used TFTP under TCP services 
 > for VMS.  B  I'd like to return thanks to all folks that answered my question.E  comp.os.vms masters are always helping me in my  technical doubts...   " tactzccs005#copy flash:config.textG tftp://142.18.16.15/UCX$TFTP_ROOT:[tactzccs005]142_18_16_15_config.text . Address or name of remote host [142.18.16.28]? Destination filename6 [UCX$TFTP_ROOT:[tactzccs005]142_18_16_15_config.text]? !! 3681 bytes copied in 0.192 secs  tactzccs005#     Thanks a lot VMS masters!    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 21:26:04 -0700' From: "ababeel" <farooq.omar@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug B Message-ID: <1153974364.636730.59980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F Thanks for that.. I understand this, but my aim is to get to a line inC the actual source code, is it possible, i got the following result,    SDA> EXA/INS 81377E78 9 DECC$SHR_EV56+00107E78:         LDBU            R24,(R17)   E Any way I can go into the source code and find the line/routine which  is causing the problem.   
 Thanks....   Volker Halle wrote: I > This process 'crashed' with an ACCVIO executing the instruction pointed I > to by PC=81377E78, an instruction in system space. On the system, where * > this process dump has been taken, issue: >  > $ ANAL/SYS > SDA> EXA/INS 81377E78  > I > to have a look at the instruction. This instruction will be most likely % > in DECC$SHR_EV56 shareable library.  > @ >  A DBG> SHOW CALLS will show the call stack at the time of the > exception. > > > You seem to have some debug init file, which is being calledA > automatically. This is not so useful for process dump analysis.  > E > The .DSF file only helps, if you are examining data or instructions " > inside your image address space. > 	 > Volker.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:04:37 -0700/ From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> / Subject: Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug C Message-ID: <1153976677.827826.305900@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    ababeel wrote:H > Thanks for that.. I understand this, but my aim is to get to a line inE > the actual source code, is it possible, i got the following result,  >  > SDA> EXA/INS 81377E78 ; > DECC$SHR_EV56+00107E78:         LDBU            R24,(R17)  > G > Any way I can go into the source code and find the line/routine which  > is causing the problem.  >  > Thanks....  : Since the ACCVIO is not happening in *YOUR* code, you will< not find the source unless you have the source for DECC$SHR.< Use the SHOW CALLS (as Volker suggests) to try to trace back= to your code, you are likely passing a parameter by the wrong  mechanism...   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 22:46:13 -0700' From: "ababeel" <farooq.omar@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: Using DSF and DMP files with debug C Message-ID: <1153979173.228777.312650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Thanks for your comment,G I am not actually debugging code, but finding a mechanism to do so. Let  me explain, % contents of omartest.c are as follows    void main()  {  	char * p = malloc(32);  	int x = 10; 	if(!p) & 		printf("Error Allocating Memory\n"); 	else  		printf("Allocated memory\n");    	strncpy(p,"Hello World",11);    	p=0; " 	printf(p); // will access violate     	printf("\nFreeing p now...");	 	free(p);  	printf("Done"); }   B I know where the problem is in the code, I am trying to find a wayC using a debugger to get to that offending line so that in future if B there are any access violations I can debug them using DSF and DMP$ files. Hope I explained it properly. Thanks again....       David B Sneddon wrote: > ababeel wrote:J > > Thanks for that.. I understand this, but my aim is to get to a line inG > > the actual source code, is it possible, i got the following result,  > >  > > SDA> EXA/INS 81377E78 = > > DECC$SHR_EV56+00107E78:         LDBU            R24,(R17)  > > I > > Any way I can go into the source code and find the line/routine which  > > is causing the problem.  > >  > > Thanks.... > < > Since the ACCVIO is not happening in *YOUR* code, you will> > not find the source unless you have the source for DECC$SHR.> > Use the SHOW CALLS (as Volker suggests) to try to trace back? > to your code, you are likely passing a parameter by the wrong  > mechanism... >  > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:19:24 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: VaxStation vs. Infoserver+ Message-ID: <44C7EA6C.578074CF@comcast.net>    Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > @ > In article <rP9xg.1011$vh1.796@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman# > <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:  > >Steven M. Schweda wrote:  > > L > >>    An announcement would be premature, but there is some hope of livingF > >> long enough to get a recent version of cdrtools/cdrecord (such as@ > >> 2.01.01a11 or thereabouts) for VMS, which may be able to doH > >> DVD-/+practically_everything.  I only recently sank my life savings > >($30 H > >> (plus tax!)) into a DVD-writing drive, so I can't yet claim to have > >seen L > >> it do much new and exciting, but a source with more and better hardware. > >> reports that it's not a complete failure. > > F > >   The V8.3 recording code is a complete drop-in replacement, usingD > >OpenVMS norms and DCL syntax, with various supporting tools, etc. > > I > >   The V8.3 code officially provides CD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW and provides B > >for the drives that have been sold with various AlphaServer andI > >Integrity server drives, and if for no other reason than these are the I > >first bits out of the gate and it allowed a shot at testing at least a 4 > >reasonable set of the options and configurations. > > C > >   Diagnostics and related supporting tools are provided over in  > >SYS$ETC: in V8.3. > > J > >   A third-party drive and an odd-ball device or two has been tried, asH > >well.  But there's enough variability that your widget may or may not: > >work -- DVD and CD drives are like that, unfortunately. > > E > >   I don't have any immediate plans to port the CDRTOOLS/DVDRTOOLS H > >CDRECORD.C images, nor is the V8.3 code related to it.  Somebody else > >might have ported it. > >  > H > I would like to add a few words what Steven M. Schwenda already wrote: > D > The previous commercial cdrecord-ProDVD written by Joerg SchillingI > (I wrote  99.x% the VMS-part) is been released as freeware and includes K > the complete source code. This version runs on VAX, Alpha and Itanium and  > burns: > 4 > DVD-R(W), DVD+R(W), CD-R(W),DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL. > F > Why does not use this really professional code and implement it into= > OpenVMS. A tools that is restricted to CD-R(W) and DVD+R(W) * > is so far behind all actual development. > > > My DVDwrite program that just comes out as Version 6.0 burns0 > all media mentioned above (+DVD-RAM) and burnsE > Blue-Ray discs (BD-R,BD-RE) with a capacity of 23 GB under OpenVMS.   F My suggestion would be to get hold of a V8.3 system when its available9 and make a version of the program that is compatible with A COPY/RECORDABLE. It usually possible replace an image by use of a 8 logical name to point to an alternate image or location.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2006 11:40:14 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)N Subject: Re: VMS and HPVM (was: Parsec webinar (2006-07-12) OpenVMS Licensing), Message-ID: <Yp+divgOizNw@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  5 "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   0 >> Does anyone here actually use OpenVMS Galaxy? > F > With these VMs be capable of sharing a Global Section between nodes?  < No, the virtual VMS instances know nothing about each other.   --    H Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.414 ************************