1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 418       Contents:/ Re: "get" function in HP's sftp fails sometimes 8 Re: Alphaserver 2100 needs a good home - South Cambs, UK Re: An opportunity for VMS( Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6$ Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory$ Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory Re: Mercury Interactive  Re: MOPs Re: MOPs% Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?   Re: Upgrading disks in Shadowset  Re: Upgrading disks in Shadowset- VBN 59799:  Bucket check byte is out of phase / Re: [DCL] How to identify a EV6 or EV7 reliable / Re: [DCL] How to identify a EV6 or EV7 reliable   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:01:34 GMT . From: Jack Patteeuw <jack.patteeuw@nospam.net>8 Subject: Re: "get" function in HP's sftp fails sometimes? Message-ID: <yzxyg.136542$dW3.48805@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   I sftp (regardless of the OS) does not support "ascii" file transfer; only   binary.   I If you are using a VMS client sftp and you know the byte level format of  H the "ascii" file on the remote system (ie DOS or UNIX), then you should H be able to use SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE to "correct" the binary transfer into  something that RMS understands.      Palda wrote: > Hi,  > B > I have got the solution already. The error was caused by "ascii"I > transfer mode which does not work for HP's sftp client. The binary mode 
 > works OK :)  > 
 > Regards, > Jiri >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:57:46 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>A Subject: Re: Alphaserver 2100 needs a good home - South Cambs, UK 0 Message-ID: <44CACEAA.C2EF82A3@spam.comcast.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  >  > What I still need: > ) >    o  BA353 ("pizza-box") expansion box  >  >    o  DLT tapes  > , >    o  small ALPHA machines, EV45 or better > ' >    o  SBB  disk drives 1 GB or larger   ! I have a bunch of RZ28-VA SBBs...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2006 15:04:35 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS C Message-ID: <1154124275.713881.153910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: H > On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:40:38 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: > I > > On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:12:40 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 
 > > wrote: > >  > >> Tom Linden wrote:K > >>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:49:38 -0700, <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:  > >>> L > >>>> In article <Feydnbe1IbQQNlrZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble$ > >>>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > >>>>> AEF wrote: > >>>>>> Dave Froble wrote:  > >>>>>>> AEF wrote: [...] M > > An annular cylinder of outer radius of 100m would need rotational rate of K > > approx 0.15 rpm to have a centrifugal force same as g.  Might take some  > > getting K > > used to not being able to see all the way 'across' the room.  With a 4m  > > ceiling ? > > a person whose eyes were at 1.8m  could then see about 21m.  > M > Make that 3 rpm, sloppy arithmetic,  (thanks AEF)  It is rather interesting L > to visualize a room which is straight in on direction but curves up in theK > transverse direction.  Because of the centrifugal force,  putts would not  > break in any direction:-)  > >    [...]   ! It's time for cylindrical soccer!   B How about making a huge cylinder in earth orbit and rotating it toB create artificial gravity as described above. Then set up a soccerD field! Imagine kicking the ball way up in the air to the axis of the% cylinder. Where will it come "down"?!   G Of course, there'd be some issues: Where to put the nets? Have just one D net with a goal keeper on each side? How to and whether to do corner kicks?  D Running in one direction would increase your effective gravity while2 running in the opposite direction would reduce it!  F This is not a serious proposal, of course. Just an idea to think about and have fun with.   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2006 12:16:31 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>1 Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6 C Message-ID: <1154114190.937658.190550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   2 first problem report I've seen for the new version  L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1046887   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:54:23 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory : Message-ID: <8dmdnXG3IpvM0lfZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Chris Lusardi wrote:  F > How do I display the contents of the root directory in a useful way? >  > Thank you, > Christopher Lusardi  >    $ DIR [000000]I will list the "root directory" for your current default disk.  Note that  H the proper VMS terminology is "Master File Directory" and that there is  normally one for each disk.   9 To list a the MFD of other than your default disk device:  $ DIR D???:[000000] E where ??? is a string denoting the disk driver, controller, and unit  H number.  DKA0 would be a typical SCSI disk on the first controller (A), L and unit 0 on the SCSI bus.  Unit 1 on the bus would show up as DKA100, etc.   $ SHOW DEVICE D & To see a list of all the disk devices.  ) To see the MFD of the system (boot) disk:  $ DIR SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:09:43 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>- Subject: Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory 0 Message-ID: <44CAD177.1259F54D@spam.comcast.net>   Chris Lusardi wrote: > 5 > How do I display the contents of the root directory    $ DIR ddcu:[000000]    > in a useful way?   See HELP DIRECTORY  H That said, if you're looking some "mount point" that includes all of theG volumes MOUNTed to the system in a recursive directory lookup, that's a G UN*X concept. It does not exist outside of UN*X and UN*X-like operating  systems.  F VMS's paradigm is similar to DOS's in that there are individual drivesH MOUNTed to the system, and each has its own unique filesystem structure.> Where DOS or Windows uses drive letters, VMS uses drive names.  # For more information, see this URL:   . http://www.djesys.com/vms/mentor/vms_path.html   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:57:44 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>  Subject: Re: Mercury Interactive@ Message-ID: <craigberry-4D0083.15574428072006@free.teranews.com>  9 In article <44c986a9$0$21765$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, +  Tim Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:    > Craig A. Berry wrote: H > > Their main products would be comparable to things like Digital Test L > > Manager (if I remember the name right) and maybe some pieces of DECset. F > >  It would be quite nifty to have an up-to-date set of testing and  > > deployment tools on VMS. > >  > @ > Just out of curiosity, what features do you think are lacking?  H I'm not prepared to make a detailed comparison of things like WinRunner C and LoadRunner with things like DTM and PCA.  There is the general  D point that DECset doesn't seem to get a lot of attention -- I think G ODS-5 support only began to be integrated about five years after ODS-5  < was introduced, and I'm not sure there's full support yet.    H But there is the more important general point that if HP ends up with a F standard set of software management tools on all HP platforms -- pure E speculation that this is what the Mercury acquisition means -- along  E the same lines of what OpenView does in system management, then that  D could be a good thing for VMS.  If people could use well-recognized H tools to profile and test their applications on VMS, they might be more  likely to deploy them there.   --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2006 12:14:28 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> Subject: Re: MOPs C Message-ID: <1154114068.834691.176380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: D > Interesting that Hoff mentions MOP/LAD/LAST in his blog on systems > management of VMS ( I > http://h20325.www2.hp.com/blogs/hoffman/archive/2006/07/28/1396.html ). 7 >  Isn't MOP being missed out in the port to Integrity?  >  > Steve   ? I think MOP  downloads for e.g terminal servers is still there. D Satellite nodes don't boot using MOP anymore (due to Itanium console) restrictions) but use BOOTP/TFTP instead.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:42:18 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: MOPs 1 Message-ID: <uMtyg.1266$Hx3.755@news.cpqcorp.net>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: D > Interesting that Hoff mentions MOP/LAD/LAST in his blog on systems > management of VMS ( I > http://h20325.www2.hp.com/blogs/hoffman/archive/2006/07/28/1396.html ). 7 >  Isn't MOP being missed out in the port to Integrity?   E    Maintenance and Operations Protocol (MOP) downloads and the Local  H Area Disk (LAD) transport servers, and bootp/tftp servers, are both now D available on OpenVMS, and particularly host-based InfoServer is now  available on OpenVMS.   C    Alpha and VAX use MOP/LAD for their console (network, client or  E satellite) bootstraps, while various network devices use MOP.  These  2 have also had InfoServer client for eons now, too.  A    What I expect you are remembering here is that Integrity uses  G bootp/tftp to bootstrap, and not MOP/LAD.  This due to the EFI console  / used on Integrity, and on its available client.   I    With the current versions of OpenVMS, the Integrity network bootstrap  F via bootp/tftp looks just like the InfoServer bootstrap, well, unless H you're sniffing the network traffic.  Same command sequence -- boot the 8 network controller -- and same service menu system, etc.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2006 17:13:47 -0700% From: "Pierre" <pierre.bru@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: PIPE redirection as stream file ?C Message-ID: <1154132027.807200.230900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Pierre wrote:  > G > > the shell which runs the examples that serve a validation runs uses  > > idioms like: > > 1 > > xmlstarlet --some-params 2>/etc/nul ; echo $?  > >  > > one converted to DCL into  > > A > > $ PIPE ( xmlstarlet --some-params 2> NLA0: ; write sys$output  > > $STATUS.and.%X0FFFFFFF ) > J >    Use GNV, and use the shell.  Run it where it expects to be run.  That2 > has a shot of working as this test tool expects.  : I'm quite new to GNV and will give it a try for this case.  D >    This existing code is obviously completely system-specific, andG > you're likely going to be chasing differences for a while here as you  > try to go fully native.  > G >    Perl or php would be a far more portable approach than using shell H > scripts -- if I were seeking to fix this, I'd fix it such that the fixI > entirely replaces the existing platform-dependence and not to add a new H > and different platform-dependence into the code base.  There are otherF > testing tools around that deal with this more directly, and that useJ > Perl or other such portable languages for this processing.  If the shellI > code goes away, everybody is likely just as happy, and the code is more  > portable.   C I need to put some minor platform-dependences in the code if I ever @ want to use this tool from DCL. dunno if I can use GNV shell for! regular work (depens on my boss).   J > The other obvious option (for a direct and platform-specific port) is toD > use the lib$spawn or similar such mechanism, as this allows you toG > redirect the output into NLA0:, and to acquire the final status back. I > Directly.  (I'm here assuming that something in the test suite is using H > system() to invoke a sequence of commands.  This approach replaces allH > the PIPE stuff, since it appears all that matters is the exit status.)  G some of the test are interrested only in the status code, others in the  resultint output, some in both.    Pierre.    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2006 17:31:29 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ) Subject: Re: Upgrading disks in Shadowset + Message-ID: <eadhlh0b2l@enews1.newsguy.com>   0 Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:B > I'm going many years to slow hardware with this, but it's worth $ > mentioning if you have slow tapes.  J As I have very slow tapes this is of interest.  I think I can manage aboutI 1.5-3MB/Sec depending on how I get the drive hooked up, and which drive I  use.  < > If you are doing disk to disk then back again (e.g. for a K > reinitialization of the original disk with new parameters), you can save   > time by doing:  = > backup/image disk 1 to saveset on disk 2 as the first step.   I > This means that you are doing sequential writes on the backup and then  " > sequential reads on the restore.  I Am I correct that the third and final step is to do a BACKUP/IMAGE of the K saveset to disk 3?  This is definitely doable in my configuration, I'd just : need to pull my Scratch drive, which is no problem at all.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:26:14 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ) Subject: Re: Upgrading disks in Shadowset ; Message-ID: <a49d1$44ca9d17$50db5015$25966@news.hispeed.ch>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:2 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:C >> I'm going many years to slow hardware with this, but it's worth  % >> mentioning if you have slow tapes.  > L > As I have very slow tapes this is of interest.  I think I can manage aboutK > 1.5-3MB/Sec depending on how I get the drive hooked up, and which drive I  > use. > = >> If you are doing disk to disk then back again (e.g. for a  L >> reinitialization of the original disk with new parameters), you can save  >> time by doing:  > > >> backup/image disk 1 to saveset on disk 2 as the first step. > J >> This means that you are doing sequential writes on the backup and then # >> sequential reads on the restore.  > K > Am I correct that the third and final step is to do a BACKUP/IMAGE of the M > saveset to disk 3?  This is definitely doable in my configuration, I'd just < > need to pull my Scratch drive, which is no problem at all. >   C Yes. I was thinking of doing the last step back to disk 1, so I'll   clarify what I had in mind:   + 1. backup/image disk 1 to saveset on disk 2 ? 2. dismount disk 1, init with desired parameters and remount as      /foreign2 3. backup/image/noinit saveset on disk 2 to disk 1   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2006 11:39:02 -0700 From: santhoo.jay@gmail.com 6 Subject: VBN 59799:  Bucket check byte is out of phaseB Message-ID: <1154111942.278021.168240@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Hi all ,  C can anyone tell me how recover file from this error  ( Bucket check  byte is out of phase )  # one solution i found in net was ...   = "     Easiest way I have found to fix check byte out of phase 9     errors is to use ana/rms/interactive to locate vbn of ;     problem area.  Then with some simple math compute which :     byte this is relative to the begining of the file then;     use patch/absolute to change either the 1st or the last 0     check byte so that they match each other.  "    B but i do not  understand   how to carry this in the above solutionE "some simple math compute which byte this is relative to the begining 
 of the file "   E below is the output of "analyze /rms " and  also analyze/rms position  /bucket 
 then dir/full     D IF you know any other solution apart from this then i  will try that ....    . $ANAL/RMS  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX    D Check RMS File Integrity                     28-JUL-2006 19:21:08.34 Page 1% SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX;6      FILE HEADER   8         File Spec: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX;6         File ID: (1385,45633,0)          Owner UIC: [SYSTEM] ?         Protection:  System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: , World: 0         Creation Date:    3-JUL-1998 08:40:34.32=         Revision Date:   27-JUL-2006 15:22:48.71, Number: 475 '         Expiration Date: none specified $         Backup Date:     none posted!         Contiguity Options:  none !         Performance Options: none !         Reliability Options: none !         Journaling Enabled:  none      RMS FILE ATTRIBUTES   "         File Organization: indexed         Record Format: fixed+         Record Attributes:  carriage-return          Maximum Record Size: 27          Longest Record: 278         Blocks Allocated: 104193, Default Extend Size: 0         Bucket Size: 2!         File Monitoring: disabled          Global Buffer Count: 0     FIXED PROLOG  6         Number of Areas: 1, VBN of First Descriptor: 2         Prolog Version: 3   + AREA DESCRIPTOR #0 (VBN 2, offset %X'0000')            Bucket Size: 2         Reclaimed Bucket VBN: 0 F         Current Extent Start: 104185, Blocks: 4, Used: 2, Next: 104187"         Default Extend Quantity: 0          Total Allocation: 104176  * KEY DESCRIPTOR #0 (VBN 1, offset %X'0000')  :         Index Area: 0, Level 1 Index Area: 0, Data Area: 0         Root Level: 3 1         Index Bucket Size: 2, Data Bucket Size: 2          Root VBN: 9383         Key Flags:'                 (0)  KEY$V_DUPKEYS    0 '                 (3)  KEY$V_IDX_COMPR  1 '                 (4)  KEY$V_INITIDX    0 '                 (6)  KEY$V_KEY_COMPR  1 '                 (7)  KEY$V_REC_COMPR  1                             D Check RMS File Integrity                     28-JUL-2006 19:21:08.48 Page 2% SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX;6              Key Segments: 1          Key Size: 11         Minimum Record Size: 11 ;         Index Fill Quantity: 1024, Data Fill Quantity: 1024 "         Segment Positions:       0"         Segment Sizes:          11         Data Type: string          Name: "MODEL_NUMBER"          First Data Bucket VBN: 33 ***  VBN 59799:  Bucket check byte is out of phase.      The analysis uncovered 1 error.     , ANAL/RMS SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX  3 ===================================================   % STKORD_System >> ANAL/RMS/INTERACTIVE # SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX    FILE HEADER   8         File Spec: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]AQS_PRODUCT.IDX;6         File ID: (1385,45633,0)          Owner UIC: [SYSTEM] ?         Protection:  System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: , World: 0         Creation Date:    3-JUL-1998 08:40:34.32=         Revision Date:   27-JUL-2006 15:22:48.71, Number: 475 '         Expiration Date: none specified $         Backup Date:     none posted!         Contiguity Options:  none !         Performance Options: none !         Reliability Options: none !         Journaling Enabled:  none    ANALYZE> position/bucket 59799   BUCKET HEADER (VBN 59799)            Check Character: %X'5D'          Key of Reference: 0          VBN Sample: 59799 #         Free Space Offset: %X'023A'          Free Record ID: 17         Next Bucket VBN: 23063         Level: 0         Bucket Header Flags:'                 (0)  BKT$V_LASTBKT    0   3 ***  VBN 59799:  Bucket check byte is out of phase.   
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 Thanks anyway    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:37:31 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>8 Subject: Re: [DCL] How to identify a EV6 or EV7 reliable@ Message-ID: <craigberry-D60045.13373128072006@free.teranews.com>  , In article <44ca6434$1@news.langstoeger.at>,8  peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  I > Does anyone know, if there is a reliable/documented way to identify the  > processor class of an Alpha? > L > Say I want to identify an EV6[|7|8] vs. an EV5[|A] without eg. listing allJ > known EV5 systems model numbers vs. listing all known EV6 model numbers.  E There was a rather extended discussion of this here quite recently.   = Meanwhile here's a one-line hack that will get what you want:    $ pipe show cpu/full | -< _$ perl -ne "if ($_ =~ /Type\.+: (\w+),/) {print $1; last;}" EV67   --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.418 ************************