1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 421       Contents:( Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6( Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6$ Good-bye, Pentium--hello, Core 2 Duo( Re: Good-bye, Pentium--hello, Core 2 Duo( RE: Tomcat user authentication question.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:25:44 +0400 U From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev-@-DeltaTelecom.zz.RU-please-remove-zz-for.reply> 1 Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6 ? Message-ID: <8551906B9CBBEEC202AEFC44A22A7E48@NNTP.DeltaTel.RU>    Barry Kierstein wrote:  G > The Availability Manager team is pleased to announce the Availability K > Manager Version 2.6.  This version includes updates to both Data Analyzer  > and Data Collector kits.    	System tools on Java ?! Amen...     --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ >   ICQ: 319518233, Skype: SysMan-One, Mobile: +7 (901) 316-3222   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:20:44 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>1 Subject: Re: Announcing Availability Manager V2.6 0 Message-ID: <12coso4dqo9cn5c@corp.supernews.com>   Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: > Barry Kierstein wrote: > H >> The Availability Manager team is pleased to announce the AvailabilityL >> Manager Version 2.6.  This version includes updates to both Data Analyzer >> and Data Collector kits.  >  > % >     System tools on Java ?! Amen...   
 You mean RIP?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:03:47 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - Subject: Good-bye, Pentium--hello, Core 2 Duo < Message-ID: <44ccad4a$0$24195$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  $ Good-bye, Pentium--hello, Core 2 Duo  ; http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6099328.html?tag=nl.e622   J Lot's of fan fare about their latest offspring and no mention of the ugly A step sister, Itanium. I wonder what those manager's are thinking?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:01:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Good-bye, Pentium--hello, Core 2 Duo , Message-ID: <44CCD7D5.EFCDB41A@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: K > Lot's of fan fare about their latest offspring and no mention of the ugly C > step sister, Itanium. I wonder what those manager's are thinking?     D That IA64 thing is to Intel what VMS is to HP. Just a necessary evil2 that they cannot get rid of at this point in time.  F The one big possible difference is that VMS might still be profitable, IA64 isn't.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:45:50 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 1 Subject: RE: Tomcat user authentication question. T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684017D7E29@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Mark Daniel [mailto:mark.daniel@vsm.com.au]=20 > Sent: July 29, 2006 5:37 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: Tomcat user authentication question.  >=20# > Jean-Fran=E7ois Pi=E9ronne wrote:  > > Arne Vajh=F8j a =E9crit :  > >=20% > >>Jean-Fran=E7ois Pi=E9ronne wrote:  > >> > >> > >>>Arne Vajh=F8j a =E9crit : > >>>  > >>> 0 > >>>>Webware is not a servlet container either. > >>>  > >>> - > >>>Webware is a Python servlet container...  > >> > >>0 > >>So I rephrase: Webware is not a Java servlet > >>container. > >>5 > >>So what can the original poster use Webware for ?  > >> > >=20 > >=20 > > reply offline  >=20I > Considering the marginal relevance of much of the discussion in this=20 A > forum on occasion (just PPO) I'd rather have seen a (perhaps=20  > shortish)=20I > discussion about the utility of Python as an application development=20  > environment for VMS on-line. >=20I > Obviously the nitty-gritty of developing under Python is a topic for=20 B > other fora (VMS-specifics aside) but the availability of such=20@ > cross-platform tools as Python, PHP, Perl, etc., provides a=20 > significant=20> > layer of functionality and ready-made applications.  In a=20 > period where a=20 ? > Web/browser interface to many applications is required the=20  > availability=20 A > of RAD environments such as [insert-one-of-the-above] Server=20  > Pages and=20G > the likes of Webware on VMS, is something that should receive more=20  > attention. >=20= > In contrast to Java applications, which in my experience=20  > while generally=20A > portable and widely supported are fatally resource-hungry on=20  > VMS, Python=20I > (for example) is significantly more light-weight and I'd say just as=20  > portable.  >=20J > In the opinion of some I know who have developed significant software=20> > systems in both (not on VMS and not JFP), Python projects=20 > seem easier to=20 G > manage and developer productivity greater.  This suggests that for=20 ? > one-off, in-house, 'extreme programming' or highly dynamic=20  > development=20? > environments, and when developing for a niche (read small)=20  > market such=20/ > as VMS, Python would be a justifiable choice.  >=20I > Often there is also functionality available not present in any other=20 H > general way on VMS (e.g. MIME, SGML, all sorts of application-level=20J > network protocols, etc.)  In addition the OS-specific modules for VMS=20: > (e.g. systems services and products such as RDB) made=20 > available by JFP=20 G > allow a substantial level of VMS-specific functionality where needed.  >=20 > >=20 > >>Arne >=20   Mark,   D Interesting subject as, imho, moving to an OO world (J2EE/.Net) is =F certainly not for everyone - especially if high scalability and high = security is required.=20  F Yes, both can be done with OO tools and strategies, but the level of =D complexity and expertise level to build and maintain these is also =E extremely high. It is also difficult (not impossible) to transition = + traditional 3GL programmers to an OO world.   & An article that might be of interest -@ http://news.com.com/2102-1007_3-5705448.html?tag=3Dst.util.printJ "Scripting languages have been used to build millions of applications on =C the Web, but in general have not been adopted widely by corporate = C developers. But more and more businesses and IT professionals are = H looking to these languages as a way to simplify and speed the creation =J of custom in-house programs, thus avoiding the now all-too-common logjam =& of late or overbudget applications.=20  J "Scripting (languages are) just getting more popular and powerful simply =H because they're easy to use," said Tim Huckaby, CEO of consulting firm =I and Microsoft partner InterKnowlogy. "It's all about time to market and = / money, not about how elegant it is underneath."   	 [snip ..]    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.421 ************************