1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 31 Jul 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 422       Contents: Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS Re: An opportunity for VMS4 Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company$ Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory0 Re: VBN 59799: Bucket check byte is out of phase0 Re: VBN 59799: Bucket check byte is out of phase  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:02:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS 3 Message-ID: <$ZBiRZ2rz9M$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1153917332.057547.201460@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  H > As for leaving the planet... 10's of billions just to orbit the earth?F > Then going to Mars? Going to Mars is fraught with huge difficulties,E > not the least of which is the danger of radiation to the crew. This 4 > would be incredibly expensive and difficult to do.  D    You know what happens to societies that stop doing the difficult?  4    I don't want to be around when that happens here.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:08:23 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS 3 Message-ID: <KYZ8tXSjLL4i@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1154052852.556761.243320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  < > Something that's worth the price of going to space to get.  C    Worth it to who?  I know folks for whom the entire return of the A    space effort going back to pre-NASA days isn't worth one cent.   B    And I know folks who feel otherwise.  But the couple of dollarsB    it has cost each American taxpayer each year will no longer buy    them lunch at Mickey D's.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:12:17 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS 3 Message-ID: <NsUTIC32AGg4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44CC007C.7CF94D55@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > G > In fairness to tha Rutan project, while there are nowhere near "space H > travel", they have developped a very cheap Mach 3 vehicle that runs on@ > nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and thus quite safe and cheap and > re-usable.    E    Judging by the uncommanded roll they had, I would not use the term 
    "safe".   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:02:09 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS C Message-ID: <1154311329.576495.240830@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:l > In article <1153917332.057547.201460@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > J > > As for leaving the planet... 10's of billions just to orbit the earth?H > > Then going to Mars? Going to Mars is fraught with huge difficulties,G > > not the least of which is the danger of radiation to the crew. This 6 > > would be incredibly expensive and difficult to do. > F >    You know what happens to societies that stop doing the difficult? > 6 >    I don't want to be around when that happens here.  C Well, lots of things are difficult. We can't do them all. Given our ) finite resources we should choose wisely.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:00:42 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com># Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS C Message-ID: <1154311242.411700.219630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:l > In article <1154052852.556761.243320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > > > > Something that's worth the price of going to space to get. > E >    Worth it to who?  I know folks for whom the entire return of the C >    space effort going back to pre-NASA days isn't worth one cent.   @ Well, you snipped it out but my comment above was in response toA obtaining resources from the Solar System. I assume that would be ? mostly minerals and such. Well, what I meant was, is there some G substance that would be cheaper to mine from asteroids than from Earth? . We're talking economics of raw materials here.   > D >    And I know folks who feel otherwise.  But the couple of dollarsD >    it has cost each American taxpayer each year will no longer buy >    them lunch at Mickey D's.  = NASA's budget is only a few hundred million dollars per year?    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:11:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: An opportunity for VMS 9 Message-ID: <Ab2dnQ_yQ63N-FDZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:^ > In article <44CC007C.7CF94D55@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H >> In fairness to tha Rutan project, while there are nowhere near "spaceI >> travel", they have developped a very cheap Mach 3 vehicle that runs on A >> nitrous oxide (laughing gas) and thus quite safe and cheap and  >> re-usable.    > G >    Judging by the uncommanded roll they had, I would not use the term  >    "safe". >   D The first aircraft/spacecraft was a prototype and proof of concept. F Such are built and operated to learn.  They learned.  The ships being 8 built for Branson will benefit from the lessons learned.  G Scaled Composites is hiring.  Any wannabe spaceship builders out there?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:12:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> = Subject: Re: Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hp is a "Software" Company ) Message-ID: <op.tdi4agt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>   2 On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:24:17 -0700, Bob Koehler  =  0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  : > In article <44CBFEE0.266150DF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei  =  ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Robert Deininger wrote:G >>> Absolutely.  HP is spending $4.5 Billion for the sole purpose of  =    >>> getting  >>> customers away from VMS. >> >> Can we quote you on this ?  >>F >> Along with the statement from Hoff that HP has no plans to port VMSI >> beyond IA64 gives a lot of credence that HP is really intent on killi=  ng2 >> VMS ;-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) > B >    In 1980 DEC had no plans to port VMS to Alpha.  Or to add a C" >    compiler, or an IP stack, ...  I Actually Cutler wrote a C compiler about that time , in PL/I of course, =   =   which & became VAX C and was hooked up to VCG. >  >    Plans change. >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 20:00:42 -0700< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>- Subject: Re: How Do I Find The Root Directory C Message-ID: <1154314842.760407.104490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   9 So far, David and others, only mentioned DEVICE:[000000]. C I find this unnatural and unhelpful for new users even though it is  historically correct.   ) Why not start with :  $DIRECTORY [*...] ? 5 And why not assume rooted directories like 'USERS:[*]   % (Where USERS might be ddcuu:[USERS.])   C I do agree with he sentiment that the question was probably from an F Unix context and that the answer would probably need to include a hint as to how to walk devices.  " $SHOW DEV D  is often a good start@ For rooted/concealed devices one may want to do $SHOW LOG *DISK*F Now I use the word DISK, but really it could be anythin (or nothing!).E The output left of the ":" in $SHOW DEFAULT will often give a clue as  to what to look for.   hth, Hein van den Heuvel          David J. Dachtera wrote: > Chris Lusardi wrote: > > 7 > > How do I display the contents of the root directory  >  > $ DIR ddcu:[000000]  /    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 19:35:30 -0700< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>9 Subject: Re: VBN 59799: Bucket check byte is out of phase C Message-ID: <1154313329.981105.119970@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    santhoo.jay@gmail.com wrote:
 > Hi all , > E > can anyone tell me how recover file from this error  ( Bucket check  > byte is out of phase )   Yes I can! "  :-)   2 But why bother? Just restore the file from backup!   > % > one solution i found in net was ...  : = >     use patch/absolute to change either the 1st or the last 2 >     check byte so that they match each other.  "  F Yeah well, that's super optimistic. There is a reason they got 'out of sync' F Generally that reason is that a whole, or more, of data got corrupted.2 It is not unlikely that VBN 59801 is also mangled.8 I would study output from  DUMP/BLOC=STA=59797,COUNT=6).  D Your ANAL/RMS ... POS/BUCK output suggests that the beginning of theD bucket is reasonable. So the end must be broken. You may be lucky inC that some of the end is not used (only x023A bytes out of x0400 are # used ifthe header is to be trusted)   - Study pages 40 and onwards in my presenation: F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/rms_tools/rms_tuning.ppt  	 Then grab ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/rms_tools/zap.exe $ This will allow you to fix the file.  A After the POS/BUC you may want to do DOWN and NEXT, NEXT, NEXT... F The may show all record in tacts, or perhaps the one around and  after x0200 are all bad.F If so, you have to patch the check byte as well as the 'free space' to* end the bucket after the last good record.  E Finally, you migt want to COPY VBN 59799 and 59800 from a backup into ) the current file (after comparing dumps).   " After any fix... CONVERT the file.   Free advice:E - CONVERT all your indexed file once a year, 'whether they need it or  not'> - Tune your files every 2 years 'whether they need it or not'.? - A bucket size of 2 is 99% sure to be sub-optimal (piss poor!) @ - Join my 'how to patch indexd files' session @ HP Tech Forum in? Houston in September 2006, and bring that file along if you do!    hth, Hein van den Heuvel  HvdH Performance Consulting.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2006 22:15:52 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au9 Subject: Re: VBN 59799: Bucket check byte is out of phase B Message-ID: <1154322951.942112.218160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   santhoo.jay@gmail.com wrote:
 > Hi all , > E > can anyone tell me how recover file from this error  ( Bucket check  > byte is out of phase ) > $ Patching should be your last option.
 Can you... Restore from a backup?B Convert the file using existing fdl? (ie. create new indexed file)6 Use the sort utility to create fixed-length sequential. and then reload as indexed using original fdl? Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.422 ************************