1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Jun 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 307       Contents:; Re: 5305 (ALPHAserver 1200), switch, speed, full duplex etc - Re: Intel to let go, re-assign 16,000 workers - Re: Intel to let go, re-assign 16,000 workers  My Boot Camp trip report Re: My Boot Camp trip report Re: My Boot Camp trip reportD RE: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) Re: [VT200 and up] Defining UDK  Re: [VT200 and up] Defining UDK   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:54:15 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)D Subject: Re: 5305 (ALPHAserver 1200), switch, speed, full duplex etc$ Message-ID: <e5rf76$e15$1@online.de>  C In article <3Y3gg.826$9c7.521@trnddc06>, John Santos <john@egh.com>  writes:   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 6 > > I'm still wondering whether I should buy a switch. > B > Buy one!  They aren't that expensive.  Microcenter has an 8-portA > Hawking 10/100 switch for $22.99.  Belkin or D-Link for $40-50. ? > 5-port cheaper.  You don't really need a managed switch for a  > home network.   7 I saw an 8-port LINKSYS 10/100 switch for about EUR 50.   L > > Each port has three LEDs.  The top one (green) lights up when there is aJ > > connection and blinks where there is traffic.  The middle one (green) M > > lights up when things are full duplex and is otherwise dark, except that  L > > it lights up when there are collisions.  The bottom one (yellow) lights " > > up when the speed is 100 Mb/s. > > % > > My ISP has a "DSL speed checker":  > > 3 > >    http://www.1und1.de/index.php?page=speedtest  > > % > > (beware of the non-linear scale).  > > H > > I have a 6 Mb/s DSL connection.  From the PC, where the 100 Mb/s andE > > full-duplex light up, the link above shows something like 6 Mb/s. K > > From a machine on the hub (old VAX, old ALPHA or 5305), it shows around  > > 700 kb/s.   H > > Two things are confusing me.  First, the speed test is STILL showingD > > only 700 kb/s instead of 6 Mb/s.  Also, when I do the check, theF > > flashing of LEDs on the HUB increases markedly.  Since the 5305 isK > > apparently running at 100 Mb/s (though probably not at full duplex) and L > > is directly connected to the switch, why can't I get more speed?  Why isD > > this traffic apparently seen on the hub?  Why doesn't the switchK > > indicate full duplex for the 5305?  Also, and this is really confusing, J > > a PC on the HUB with a modern ethernet card shows the full 6 Mb/s EVENJ > > THOUGH IT IS CONNECTED TO THE HUB AND NOT DIRECTLY TO THE SWITCH.  (Of, > > course, it is not part of the cluster.)  > > M > > Thus, it seems that the reason the 5305 (and, perhaps the other nodes in  K > > the cluster) are NOT getting the full DSL speed has nothing to do with  L > > the switch: the 5305 (which has a modern ethernet card) is slow even on K > > the switch, and a PC (with a modern ethernet card) is fast even on the  H > > hub.  So, even though a switch might speed up SCS communication, it K > > seems that even with a switch I can't get the full speed with the 5305  7 > > and CAN get it with other machines even on the hub.   I I don't know how this speed checker works.  Maybe it downloads a file to  F disk and measures the time.  If so, then, since that disk is a shadow H set with physical connections to other nodes in the cluster, that would F have to go across the hub, which would explain a) why the hub notices F the speed check and b) why it is slow.  A fast PC on the hub might be I fast because it downloads the file to a local disk and, as long as there  C is no other traffic, it can get almost all of the bandwidth itself.   ' > Is it one of those dual-speed hubs?     ' No.  I'm pretty sure it's just 10 Mb/s.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:05:16 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 6 Subject: Re: Intel to let go, re-assign 16,000 workers; Message-ID: <237f5$4481a52d$50db5015$15944@news.hispeed.ch>    Dave Froble wrote: > Doug Phillips wrote: >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> Dave Froble wrote: >>> K >>>> After this (integer overflow) admonition about using 8086 when talking  >>>> about current products, >>> 8 >>> OK, quick, don't look at a book or don't use Google: >>> D >>> Name all current product names used for chips that implement theL >>> architecture that DOS/Windows grew up  on and still is the core platformG >>> for Windows. And also provide all past and future names for all the " >>> products and their variations. >>> H >>> and note: X86 is an abreviation of 8086. (8086, 80186, 80286, 80386, >>> 80486 etc) >> >>G >> Now you've got it. x86 is the abbreviation for all of the CPU's that H >> have the same ancestry. 8086 is an actual and specific CPU chip. WhenI >> you say 8086 your are excluding all other chips. Why not call them all I >> 4004 or 8008 or 8080? They were the earlier ancestors of the 8086. Use D >> x86 and everyone will be happy. (well, some people are just never >> happy;-)  >> > I > Well there you have it sports fans.  Will JF remain a majority of one,  - > or will be join with the rest of the world?  >  > Place your bets. >   A A bar of Swiss chocolate to say he will remain a majority of one.   H (Given his predilection for posting code examples using CHOCOLATE, that  may just tip the balance :-) )   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:07:31 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 6 Subject: Re: Intel to let go, re-assign 16,000 workers; Message-ID: <588c4$4481a5b4$50db5015$15944@news.hispeed.ch>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: > I >>I'll take that as a bet against change.  The odds aren't so good there. % >>  You get -$1 for every dollar bet.  >>G >>Now if you want to go for the gold, take the infinity to 1 odds of JF  >>giving up '8086'.  >  >  > I > If those who bet that I can change promise to share their winnings with ) > me, I might be convinced to change. :-)   & See my other post regarding CHOCOLATE!   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2006 00:25:31 -0700 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> ! Subject: My Boot Camp trip report C Message-ID: <1149319531.765411.247970@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dear Folks,   G I thought I would write a trip report for the Boot Camp, thank you very F much for all your help.If attendees would like to add comments that do( not break the Non disclosure thats fine.  D To me the Boot Camp is one of the highlights of the year. It's a lotG of work, but we have a great team of folks working together to plan and G deliver and make the customers happy and the Boot Camp would not happen : with out this team.  I have never been to Las Vegas so theG advertisement what happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas sounds about C right to me.  So what happens at Boot Camp stays at Boot Camp (well F mostly) since it is under non-disclosure there is much that can not beD included in this message since it going to so many people but I willG include some highlights that said this is around four pages long.  Have B folks seen some of the reports on www.openvms.org?  There are someC small snippets and a few pictures.  How do I give highlights?  Well $ let's see I will start with numbers.  C We had a total of 190 registered and 189 showed up, which is pretty F good.  The one person that did not show was a person from NH.  HoweverF if you remember we had recently had a problem with flooding and he hadA a buffer overflow.  For the actual Boot Camp we had folks from 22 B countries come in Argentina ,Korea, Germany, England, Netherlands,B Switzerland, Singapore, Sweden, Belgium, Canada, Ireland, Austria,A France, Australia, Belgium, India, New Zealand, Spain, US, China,  Japan, Scotland)   There were 168 session  ) 60% of the Audience were repeat attendees  40% were new  6 people were under 30 years old   Back to the story.  D The week prior we hold free workshops for folks that can come in, itE makes it easier for folks to justify their travel and if we can offer A the classes why not.  Rob Eulenstein who was in the Colorado call F center and now works in MSE did a week long Crash Dump analysis class.? That is a long class; 5 days about 9-10 hours a day, there were C probably 10-12 students in that class.  One of the cool parts about D this week is that we get to start seeing friends coming in early notF just the customers but folks from the group coming in from other partsC of the world.  It's like a family reunion so we all get together at F lunch.  On Tuesday (I was out on Monday) I got together with the CrashD Dump class had lunch and took them on a tour of the ZK03-4 floor andF lab.  There was this great woman in the class Cheryl who also collectsE DEC stuff so I showed her my collection at the boot camp.  Officially C the Crash Dump class ended on Friday but Rob ran another session on C Saturday as well. On Wednesday of the seminar week the free porting F workshop began that John Egolf ran that session had about 6-8 folks inE it including one partner that had 10million lines of Dibol code which C she ported in the 3 days (how cool is that).  I can't give you many F details because to tell the truth I took the folks from the Crash DumpG class there on Friday around 1 and just about everyone was done and had C left.  The third seminar was TCP/IP, this is a two day Thursday and ? Friday, it used to be one day but attendees said it was to much A information for one day so the TCP/IP team made it two day.  This D session uses A LOT of equipment and there were about 15 attendees inA this workshop.  The students in this class have real hands on and C seemed to really enjoy this class. The equipment in this session is  also needed for the boot camp.  E Some of the pre-work that had to be done which is kind of unique that C you would not know is that Kevin StGeorge who was on our team is an F electrician (good thing) we had a number of prototype machines runningE VMS for an event on Tuesday evening. Which obviously needed power, in C fact Kevin had to have a 60 foot long (220v)  3 inch diameter power G cord made since the room we were in did not have anything close to what E we needed.  Or in another room (Larry and Tom's room) you are putting F in 4 EVA's 5 Alphas and 5 Integrity's power might just become an issueD so this has to be worked before had.  One of the things that we alsoG have to take into consideration is the network which is managed by Jim. F  This network is both wired and wireless connecting all the rooms to aE server to get the presentations from the server to every room and for : the attendees to down load, works great, once you have theF presentations!  This also has to work for folks trying to do email andF work back at the office.  The team tries to get all the done before weF get on site, have all the equipment everything planned out, we pack itE and ship it over.  You also have to have the network provider working A (which is not always the case) ;'( no matter how hard you work or * plan, or floods, floods will slow you down  D Friday (May 19) - We had several shipments We will need to transportD equipment from Marlboro Ma and ZKO (VMS Engineering) to the SheratonG and we will have several trips to cover all the equipment and the skids G of materials heading over to the hotel. We need to empty out the trucks D and store/hide everything, there is a prom at the hotel this eveningG (Prom = teenage formal dance 500 teenagers and 220v bad mix).  The only G exception is the certification room which must be set up so testing can E take place on the weekend. Tonight about 19 of us go out to dinner at F one of my favorite places and we have a wonderful time.  Have you ever3 noticed that with friends everything tastes better?   B Saturday (May 20) - We set up today, there are so many people thatD help, all the rooms get wired for wireless are wired internet accessE and for a speakers PC and a projector at a minimum those are the easy E rooms.  There are extension cords, gaffers tape and cables everywhere C and just like a thousand events before you wonder if this will ever E work knowing in your heart it will because the team only knows how to G succeed but reason still can not believe it.  Customers are stopping by D every five minutes for their hug and begging to be put to work so weA do.  They are helping me move things, taping cables, helping each F other, helping us.  As the day goes one the noise gets a little louderC the laughter a little louder and you it gets happier and your heart F lighter more of the family is here.  Amazing as the day goes on thingsE fall into place the hands on rooms look good, I do a room check, make E some final changes its close that's for sure. And on the lighter side E the quilt is hung, the mug and button display cases as well as my new E displays are ready as well. Tonight we have about 24 folks for dinner A so Barry from the hotel will take the van and we have a few cars. F Before we go to the restaurant we stop by the HP office where there isE a bar code on the wall so I can take a picture of all the folks which C came out very nice. After dinner we talk for a long time in the bar  with our friend.  F Sunday (May 21) - We set up registration in the morning Warren the webE master is making sure the presentations are ready for download by the @ customers and assemble from all the rooms.  We are going to openB registration at 10.  Stacie is managing registration, Dee is doingC hotel logistics, Amanda (daughter) is helping with registration and G also giving folks VMS email accounts on VMS Secure Server when they log @ in.  This was pretty cool for the customers to see a 17 year old? creating VMS email accounts with no prior VMS experience (visit C https://trysecureserver.com/)  its very cool.  Registration was a 2 B hour panic followed by a half hour welcome session where we talkedF about the agenda and saw all the new folks.  Sunday night 34 of us allA went out to dinner together.  In case you haven't noticed I don't D like to see folks eat alone unless they want to, so I invite them to join us.  A Monday (May 22)- Breakfast is out at 6:30 (its boot camp) session F starts at 7:45 with a welcome where we restated that the boot camp wasC under non-disclosure followed by a keynote by Ann McQuaid where she C discussed OpenVMS strategic areas. Then as we would do every day we G broke into sessions for 3 hours followed by lunch then three more hours E then a closing key note which was the OpenVMS Information Desk by Guy > Peleg, Norm Lastovic and Christen Moser this was a very usefulC performance gaining session after a 2 hour break folks were back at E 7:30 for OpenVMS Magic.  This is where customers tell stories and try D to win prizes and we had an excellent panel of judges consisting of;  6 Andy Goldstein (The Music Man) also providing the gong Richard Bishop (SDAman)  Forrest Kenney (Mr. USB) David Moore (VAXaNation) Robert Deininger (Blade Runner)  Steve Hoffman (Wizard)( Robert Brooks (Virtual Rob)- Gong Master  C There were aprox 25 customer stories told and it would have gone on A longer but I thought 10pm was late enough for the first full day. E Everyone that told a story received a gift and the top five receive a 
 special gift.   A Tuesday (May 23) - Breakfast starts at 6:30, welcome at 7:45 Nick A Vanderzweep did the key note around HP's virtualization strategy. G Nick spent 3 days with the customers at the boot camp listening to them D and participating in the boot camp, normal procedure for the rest ofB the day. PM Key note was Mary Jane Vazquez and Christen Moser withB detailed OpenVMS Roadmaps.  At 6pm we have the Partners RoundhouseG which is organized by Signe Maximous and she does a wonderful job. This E is a wonderful evening when we have 35-40 partners (39 this time) and G they have a 6ft table and they come and talk about what they do its not F a trade show but it is a chance for people to find out about a product> and a company.  Amanda also sold CD's of the entire set of theC Digital Technical Journals on CD for $10.  But with out a doubt the E biggest thing probably of the whole night was the fact that there was D an area of the room that had been set aside for unannounced hardwareD (very cool) that the engineers had sent down.  This area was so busyA you could not get near it.  Also we had invited some of the young C people from the Merrimack High School FIRST team (robotics team) to G come which they did.  They were a little surprised with the warmth with C which they were accepted but they are going to WPI (Worchester Poly D Tech) next year and asked if they could come back next year.  I saidA yes of course and have asked my daughter to give them a VMS email D account so they get to know a little bit about VMS, maybe tell theirD friends.  Anyway, I have heard from several of the Partners and theyD had a great time and the customers did as well.  You can always tellG the first timers to the Boot Camp by now they are a little overwhelmed. 3  But Wed is coming which is the free night (right).   A Wed (May24)(same story in the morning) 7:45 Welcome followed by a C Keynote by Chris Brown on why Integrity is the right choice for VMS E which is a great session.  Sessions for the rest of the day.  Keynote F at the end of the day is a longer one because we have two speakers JimD Janetos from VMS engineering and Mark Potter from HP Blades where weB talk about hardware. What I have not mentioned is that we have hadC network problems because of recent flooding but Jim worked with the E network provider and helped fix them. As far as the free evening goes B folks have made plans to do all sorts of things mostly folks don'tE want to sit.  There is certification testing tonight, there is a pool F tournament that started out with four people and ended up with 18. And( while we are talking about certification  < Certification took place on Saturday, Sunday and Wed Evening 77 tests delivered
 66% pass rate , 21 new CSAs (Certified System Administrators' 6 new CSEs (Certified System Engineers) " 9 folks upgraded their CSE to v8.2 High score: 93%   F Thursday (May 25) Welcome at 7:45 and our keynote is the United States; Postal Service and this is a very interesting discussion on D implementation.  Just so much more than you would ever know.  NormalG day our 4pm General Session had to cancel because of a family emergency C so we had an awesome engineering panel with about 35 folks from VMS B engineering maybe more you would have loved it.  If it's about VMSA and you have a question the brain trust in that room was going to 
 answer it!  A Friday (May  26) - This morning our keynote is Shell Pipeline and E Earle M Jorgenson once again a great implementation.  It's amazing to G me how you can have such a variety of people and customers from so many D places using the same thing in such unique ways.  Friday is the hardD day for me because folks are leaving and I will not see most of themC for another year.  At noon the sessions have ended folks are eating B their boxed lunches and we are packing things up.  With speed thatD belies our confessions of advancing age we return the Sheraton hotelD from the VMS Boot Camp to yet another generic hotel. Its time to sayA our goodbye's and in my case shed a few tears and say what always E seems to be inadequate thank you's miles of thin wire and gaffer tape 9 makes way for balloons and confetti for yet another prom.   
 Thank you  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 03:41:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: My Boot Camp trip report , Message-ID: <44813D2D.DE7983A4@teksavvy.com>  
 Sue wrote:I > advertisement what happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas sounds about  > right to me.  H It is wrong !!!! We *NEED* to know all he gory details, jucy stories and rumours :-)     8 >  So what happens at Boot Camp stays at Boot Camp (well+ > mostly) since it is under non-disclosure    E How is the NDA worded to cover "everything" ? Does it also cover what D happens after hours, or in hallways ? Or are there specific portionsG where the material is clearly stated as NDAm but other sessions are not  under NDA ?   H Does this mean that nothing you learn during boot camp can be relayed to4 your employer or customers you are consulting for ?        > How do I give highlights?   G Your message did a very good job of giving highlights. In fact, I would H suggest you preserve it and post it next year on the web pages that makeH up the invotation for the next boot camp. It gives a good flair for what the event is like.  E And THANK YOU for taking the time to write down your thoughts.  It is  very appreciated.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2006 08:31:01 -0700 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> % Subject: Re: My Boot Camp trip report B Message-ID: <1149348661.093815.29110@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  F What happens in the hallways after the sessions end is even more underD NDA because we are freinds more than anything else, and there are noB NDA that could cover that.  But honestly sitting and chatting withB folks in the bar or outside the bar when it got to full was prettyB great.  Picture's for blackmail aside of which I am sure there areG hundreds of me and hopfully no tape recordings.  I am sure if there was G one person in the bar that was not part of the boot camp they felt left F out because we were having such a good time.  They did however run outD of Guiness by the end of the week (again) and I had them order extraG this year.  There is a picture somewhere of David McKallab (scholarship A winner for most active working Sr member of the VMS comunity) and C myself doing ninja with the walking staffs we had be awarded at the D Awards Banquet on Thursday night. (I might have forgotten to mention that).  C One of the young people suggested that I start a VMS youth program, $ which sounds like a good idea to me.   Sue      JF Mezei wrote:  > Sue wrote:K > > advertisement what happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas sounds about  > > right to me. > J > It is wrong !!!! We *NEED* to know all he gory details, jucy stories and
 > rumours :-)  >  > : > >  So what happens at Boot Camp stays at Boot Camp (well, > > mostly) since it is under non-disclosure > G > How is the NDA worded to cover "everything" ? Does it also cover what F > happens after hours, or in hallways ? Or are there specific portionsI > where the material is clearly stated as NDAm but other sessions are not 
 > under NDA ?  > J > Does this mean that nothing you learn during boot camp can be relayed to5 > your employer or customers you are consulting for ?  >  >  >  > > How do I give highlights?  > I > Your message did a very good job of giving highlights. In fact, I would J > suggest you preserve it and post it next year on the web pages that makeJ > up the invotation for the next boot camp. It gives a good flair for what > the event is like. > G > And THANK YOU for taking the time to write down your thoughts.  It is  > very appreciated.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:56:36 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> M Subject: RE: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B86840150A730@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Mark Berryman [mailto:mark@theberrymans.com]=20  > Sent: May 31, 2006 3:33 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = > Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating=20  > potential VMS users) >=20 > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > >=20= > > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote on=20  > 05/25/2006 10:39:32  > > AM:  > >=20 > >=20 > >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>1 > >>>In article <e54907$ljp$1@reader1.panix.com>, 8 > >>>   John F <john@pleaseSeeSigForAddress.com> writes: > >>>  > >>> ; > >>>>OP seems, in reply to your query, rather annoyed that > > >>>>nobody's willing to take on his brilliant idea for free. > >=20
 > > [snip] > >=205 > >>Unix runs faster than VMS on comparable hardware.  > >=20 > >=203 > > I just cannot let that statement go unremarked. E > > Unix may run faster, but without the reliability, so "comparable" F > > is as always dependent on the business problem needing a solution. > > One man's meat.... >=20A > I have done a number of head to head performance comparisons=20  > of Unix vs. VMS,=20 ? > usually on the same hardware.  Unix never won.  This would=20  > have been in the VAX=20 > > days and a few years into the Alpha days.  I have not had=20 > reason do to any=20 A > recently.  However, neither have I seen anything to indicate=20  > that the results=20  > would now be different.  >=20 > Mark Berryman  >=20   Agreed.   A A couple of years ago (V7.3-2 timeframe), some *informal* testing G compared Tru64 UNIX web type application benchmarks with OpenVMS on the H same HW. The informal results were that OpenVMS performance was about 5%: better in some areas and about 10% less in other areas.=20  F And while Tru64 did not have the market share that other UNIX's had, IC do not think there are very many people (including competitors) who E would not admit that Tru64 was (is) among the highest performing UNIX  solutions available.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:38:31 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) G Message-ID: <tumdnWPhYPJGDRzZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Main, Kerry wrote:   ...   C > A couple of years ago (V7.3-2 timeframe), some *informal* testing I > compared Tru64 UNIX web type application benchmarks with OpenVMS on the J > same HW. The informal results were that OpenVMS performance was about 5%: > better in some areas and about 10% less in other areas.   E The real question, of course, being whether the tests were performed  F without any tuning work:  that VMS can be performance-competitive *if A tuned appropriately* has never been in much doubt, but that Unix  C performs far better *by default* (certainly when file access - and  C particularly file write access - dominates performance, though the  D relatively recent low-level caching improvements and changes in RMS D buffering defaults in VMS have helped read access) has also been in 
 little doubt.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2006 09:04:51 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: [VT200 and up] Defining UDK, Message-ID: <448150b3$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ^ In article <epc182lfj5734mk5i5cc0njb2apb5ep8k7@4ax.com>, Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> writes:V >On 2 Jun 2006 14:10:02 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:J >>I once had (and maybe even wrote it) a little program to make use of theJ >>User Definable Keys (UDK) of a VT220 be translating the definitions in aJ >>textfile to escape sequences sent. I had F6-F20 with three different UDKI >>meanings (Shift, Control and Shift-Control) defined (in addition to the > >>normal definition, which is an unchangeable escape sequence) > ( >from DCL,  it's a bit ugly, but doable;@ >outtputting, <csi> + <magic esc sequence> + <hex string> + <st>  E Thanks. I already did it again (in DCL ;-) yesterday afternoon (after F finding the escape sequences earlier than expected). And F6-F9 work onG DECterms, too (don't know why my old .EXE sent keycode 0 for F6-F9 this H time - seen with PuTTY -, while was sending the correct keycodes before)  J btw: Control-F6 til Control-F20 and Shift-Control-F6 til Shift-Control-F20J do not work on DECterms, probably because they do not work on the originalK VTs which we didn't have, only compatible ones like the CIT224, CIT324, ...    Thanks again   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jun 2006 03:42:31 -0700 " From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk( Subject: Re: [VT200 and up] Defining UDKA Message-ID: <1149331351.614768.5170@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:J > I once had (and maybe even wrote it) a little program to make use of theJ > User Definable Keys (UDK) of a VT220 be translating the definitions in aJ > textfile to escape sequences sent. I had F6-F20 with three different UDKI > meanings (Shift, Control and Shift-Control) defined (in addition to the > > normal definition, which is an unchangeable escape sequence) <snip>  J > Do you know of a freeware (before I rewrite from scratch, probably againL > in Fortran, after finding/reading the VT200 programmers guide I once had)?  G There is a PFLOAD program (maybe yours) in Fortran on the 1984 SIG tape = in [VAX84A.ADM] and my own version with a few enhancements at C http://vmsone.com/~decuslib/vaxsig/vax88b1/sira/pfload/pfload.for I B subsequently converted it to DEC C, but it didn't make it to a SIGG tape. If it's still of interest, I can e-mail it to you and/or Hoff for  the up-coming FREEWARE.    Chris    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.307 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            s.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,234) <<< RETR printr2.gift >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/printr2.gif (7376 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  6960 (8) bytes transferred.@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,235) <<< RETR scooby.gifs >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/scooby.gif (5561 bytes) started.d: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4679 (8) bytes transferred.@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,236) <<< RETR speak.gifr >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/speak.gif (4766 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  4450 (8) bytes transferred.@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,237) <<< RETR spy.jpgq >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/spy.jpg (20170 bytes) started.e; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  19766 (8) bytes transferred.s@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,238) <<< RETR stars_1.gifs >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/stars_1.gif (879 bytes) started.d9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  145 (8) bytes transferred.g@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
 <<< PASV@ >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,7,239) <<< RETR stars_2.gifs >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images/stars_2.gif (873 bytes) started.d9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  151 (8) bytes transferred.1@ <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/imagesN >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/oscommerce/catalog/images.
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