1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Jun 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 320       Contents: Re: Accounting question  Re: Accounting question # Cost of used alphas vs 8086+charron ' Re: Cost of used alphas vs 8086+charron  Re: HSJ 50 patches Re: Intel selling Itanium?# Re: New HP web based email package! # Re: New HP web based email package!  OpenVMS Technical Journal / Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award! / Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award! / Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award! , Re: Reading SYSUAF Disuser Flag from FORTRAN Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll. & Re: RSA FOB/Device Support for OpenVMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:49:04 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Accounting question2 Message-ID: <kwiig.1714$qI3.1229@news.cpqcorp.net>   Ferry Bolhar wrote:  > Hi,  > D > given a queue name and an exit status, I want to obtain the _last_G > (newest) record of a print job submitted to this queue and terminated  > with this status.  ... F > Is there a way to get this information (without writing all matchingE > accounting records to a file and looking at the last line therein)?   I    Not without a little coding (the format of the file is available), or  F without the cooperation of the tool, or (as was suggested) TYPE/TAIL. + The records are ascending-order, obviously.   ?    You can transfer records into another binary file, and then  # re-process or (re)format that, too.   G    You can potentially have a server process capture the audit records  > as they are generated, if you enable those on the print queue.  H    Or you can potentially upgrade whatever software submitted the print G job to track this, depending on exactly how the print job is queued --  C either directly, or by logging the identifier somewhere accessable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:33:54 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>   Subject: Re: Accounting question: Message-ID: <7NednVlMkvieLBTZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>   Ferry Bolhar wrote:  > Hi,  > D > given a queue name and an exit status, I want to obtain the _last_G > (newest) record of a print job submitted to this queue and terminated  > with this status.  > & >  So I want to do somewhat similar to > 2 > $ACCOUNTING/QUEUE='queue'/STATUS='status'/NEWEST > 4 > There is no /NEWEST (or /LAST) qualifier, however. > F > Is there a way to get this information (without writing all matchingE > accounting records to a file and looking at the last line therein)?  >  > MTIA and kind greetings, >  > Ferry  >    Would  $ ACCOUNTING.../SINCE= help?    Or how about  " $ PIPE ACCOUNTING.... | TYPE /TAIL   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:42:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Cost of used alphas vs 8086+charron, Message-ID: <448A236A.764C339F@teksavvy.com>  
 Just curious:   G If one were to pitch VMS to a new customer, would a used Alpha come out / cheaper than a 64 bit 8086 with charron-alpha ?     = What sort of MHZ/ghz would a modern 8086 server require, with 9 charron-alpha, to match  a ds15/25 machine's perfomance ?   H i.e. will industry standard servers with the charron alpha emulator soonD start to surpass existing alphas in terms of performance and cost of ownership ?   F or must we wait for a native VMS port to the 64 bit 8086 before we see: the 8086 beat alpha in performance and cost of ownership ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:54:37 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 0 Subject: Re: Cost of used alphas vs 8086+charronI Message-ID: <8660a3a10606092154m71fa80c5xdf94c9dd9657b6e6@mail.gmail.com>   9 On 6/9/06, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > Just curious:  > I > If one were to pitch VMS to a new customer, would a used Alpha come out 1 > cheaper than a 64 bit 8086 with charron-alpha ?  >  > ? > What sort of MHZ/ghz would a modern 8086 server require, with ; > charron-alpha, to match  a ds15/25 machine's perfomance ?  > J > i.e. will industry standard servers with the charron alpha emulator soonF > start to surpass existing alphas in terms of performance and cost of
 > ownership ?  > H > or must we wait for a native VMS port to the 64 bit 8086 before we see< > the 8086 beat alpha in performance and cost of ownership ? >   D I'd quote you stuff from the seminar I went to, but I'd probably getB it wrong off the top of my head and it's too late to look it up...  @ Go to the SRI website and look at the datasheets for the various flavours of Charon-VAX.   > Oh, one more thing, jf - I say Hurricanes in 5 but it'll be an eminently watchable series.    WWWebb   --  C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:48:53 -0400. From: "Carl Friedberg" <frida.fried@gmail.com> Subject: Re: HSJ 50 patches H Message-ID: <890539d90606091048i697128ak7998ef1b3a35238c@mail.gmail.com>  ; Major releases come on flash cards, at least for the HSZ...   C I don't remember the details, and this is for an HSZ50, not an HSJ, > but we downloaded patches to the latest ./ last HSZ build, and# installed them on the HSZ using the P windoze terminal emulator to upload the files. It worked, but it was the kind ofO experience which does nothing to lower blood pressure... I would guess there is N a similar procedure for the HSJ. However, this was under HP/Compaq maintenance& and they were very helpful at the CSC.   Carl  D On 9 Jun 2006 08:28:43 -0700, syslost <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote:H > I think our firmware for the hsj50s has always come in on flash cards,I > pcmcia I think.  I don't remember installing patches on the controllers 
 > themselves.  > . > Our hsj50s are at version 57j-1 hardware b02 >  >  > Scott G. Smith wrote: N > > I have a customer who has a couple of HSJ50s controlling a bunch of JBODs.M > > One controller failed and was replaced by third paty maintenance.  During > > > the transfer, it looks like patches to HSOF 5.1 were lost. > > O > > The third party hw maintainer doesn't have any information on patches.  The O > > HP software contract doesn't cover the HSJs.  I can't find any info on HP's K > > web site to discuss the patches, download, etc.  Of cource, this is all O > > terribly old equipment, which has my customer concerned about the downlevel  > > change.  > > O > > Does anyone know how to obtain these patches?  Or what problems the patches , > > correct?  Any info would be appreciated. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:55:46 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com># Subject: Re: Intel selling Itanium? : Message-ID: <44898BF2.269.29987555@squayle.insight.rr.com>  E On 9 Jun 2006 at 10:46, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: 
 > Charon-AXP?    Already available:  (   http://www.stanq.com/charon-alpha.html  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:56:11 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>, Subject: Re: New HP web based email package!2 Message-ID: <%Ciig.1716$KF3.1288@news.cpqcorp.net>   Tom Linden wrote:   B > Well, if you think WASD is not well supported, you are mistaken.  <    So there are formal support contracts available for WASD?  I    There are sites that require specific support commitments before open  I source can be used -- as the Keeper of the Freeware, I receive inquiries  E around support and formal support requests for various packages, and  G even the occasional bug reports, fairly regularly.  Further, there are  E also sites that have blanket policies against the use of unsupported  C and/or open source packages, and these sites can and do have their  9 specific reason(s) for disallowing use of these packages.   C    Each of the sites tend to have specific reasons for these, too.  A Individual sites can and do have different interests, political,  0 exposures, sensitivities, requirements and such.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2006 11:13:20 -0700 C From: "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" <alexdaniels@themail.co.uk> , Subject: Re: New HP web based email package!A Message-ID: <1149876800.045676.3210@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: > >    So there are formal support contracts available for WASD?   Yes.   http://wasd.vsm.com.au/support/ . http://wasd.vsm.com.au/support/commercial.html  > I also know of another site other than the one giving a public> endorsement, that also has a formal support contract for WASD.   Alex   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2006 11:43:50 -0700 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> " Subject: OpenVMS Technical JournalC Message-ID: <1149878630.808839.251810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    Dear Newsgroup,   G It is my pleasure to announce the latest issue of the OpenVMS Technical D Journal (VTJ).  We have a number of excellent articles.  Please make" sure to visit the VTJ web site at:* http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/  F Many thanks to all the Authors, Warren Sander and Kevin Morley without( them this journal would not be possible.  ? If you would like to do an article for the January issue of the C technical journal please submit your article abstract by August 15.  Please use the following url: 2 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/cfp.html  
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:47:58 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award!) Message-ID: <op.tav3p8drzgicya@hyrrokkin>   E On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:18:25 -0700, <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote:   / > I keep getting page not found as of 11:17 MDT  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:I >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=3DviewArticleB=  asic&articleId=3D9000964 > I Me too, I think it is a browser issue, I use Opera.   I just tried with =  IE,  and indeed it is.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jun 2006 12:04:07 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award!B Message-ID: <1149879847.007381.30670@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   Tom Linden wrote: G > On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:18:25 -0700, <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote:  > 1 > > I keep getting page not found as of 11:17 MDT  > >  > > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:^ > >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000964 > > M > Me too, I think it is a browser issue, I use Opera.   I just tried with IE,  > and indeed it is.   E I had troubles when it was first posted using IE but now I can get to 
 it just fine.   D One interesting thing is that now where in any of the articles or onD the Computerwork Honors Program website is it mentioned what OS theyG used.  They just mention HP Alpha servers and Oracle 9i and 10g RAC and E grid software.  It could just as easily be running on a Tru64 cluster  as a VMScluster.   http://www.cwhonors.org = http://www.cwhonors.org/case_studies/ChicagoStockExchange.pdf    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:07:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS wins "advanced" technologies award!, Message-ID: <4489F120.A87AB886@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 1 > > I keep getting page not found as of 11:17 MDT ^ > >> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9000964M > Me too, I think it is a browser issue, I use Opera.   I just tried with IE,  > and indeed it is.     E I don't get a 404 with Netscape with javascript disabled. But I get a H page with all the ads/decorations, but no text ! If I enable javascript,A I see the text. If they want us to respect copyright, they should F respect HTML standards so that we don't have to copy the ext for those, who can't access their poorly designed page.   ##G June 06, 2006 (Computerworld) -- WASHINGTON -- The Computerworld Honors G awards program last night focused attention on some of the world's most F advanced technologies, including an IT project managed by David Milne,E the director of database technologies at Chicago Stock Exchange Inc., A who is running a database grid on servers that use a discontinued D processor technology, the Alpha chip. Some of the Alpha Servers have  even been bought used, he said.   @ The stock exchange received an achievement award in the finance,A insurance and real estate category for its use of an Oracle Corp. G database in a grid. The grid is running on clustered Alpha Servers from H Hewlett-Packard Co., delivering high service levels at a reasonable costH and sparing the need for a dedicated system for the grid. And Milne saidF that when he needs more compute power, he can go out and buy "what was7 at one point Cadillac technology at a commodity price."   E The Chicago Stock Exchange's award illustrates a key facet of some of F last night's award winners: Having the latest or best technology isn'tG as important as how technology is assembled to reduce costs and deliver > new services. One company that makes that point is Zipcar Inc.  D Zipcar is an entirely self-service car rental company. Customers canG make reservations over the Internet and use a smart card to gain access F to a rental vehicle, while the company relies on wireless technologies? to track its assets. "A lot of pieces that are really geared to G self-service" make Zipcar possible, said Roy Russell, vice president of 1 technology at the Cambridge, Mass.-based company.   = Zipcar was the winner in the Honors' transportation category.   C The various case studies collected by Computerworld Honors program, < nearly 230, are used by more than 250 libraries and research> institutions. "It is our goal to document the history of a  inB progress," said Bob Carrigan, president of IDG Communications, the  parent company of Computerworld.  F Among those honored for individual accomplishment was Hector Ruiz, theH CEO and chairman of Advanced Micro Devices Inc., who underscored anotherH theme that ran through many of the projects: Using technology to improveH the greater good. Ruiz said people throughout the world "are desperatelyH clamoring for the opportunity to have access to this awesome technology"G and he believes that finding ways to help that happen is something that * motivates everyone involved in technology.  C Passion about technology was also evident in Bruno Friedll, systems C support manager at Zurich-based Neue Zurcher Zeitung AG, one of the C largest newspaper publishers in Switzerland. The company, under its C Archive 1780 project, has put 225 years of its newspaper in digital ? form, including some 2 million pages and 10TB of data, using an B automated imaging process. The archives are now searchable online.  H Friedll talked about the difficulty of converting Gothic-style text intoH digital format. When asked about the value of the work and its return toB the company, he said there is but one answer: "The value is making history accessible."  F Another value from technology is illustrated by BellSouth Corp., which= developed an Amber Alert field-notification system that sends E information about missing children to the laptops of more than 13,000 H field technicians. Jim Wheeler, general manager of network systems, saidH the company is making the intellectual property behind the system freelyF available "so your companies can establish your own field-notification systems," he said.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:15:52 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 5 Subject: Re: Reading SYSUAF Disuser Flag from FORTRAN E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0606091214180.31129@localhost.localdomain>   . On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 eSsk8er14x@yahoo.com wrote:  D > From FORTRAN, I'd like to get the SYSUAF disuser flag value for a B > given username.  Is there a system library routine that will do  > this?   G SYS$GETUAI would appear to be what you want.  Get UAI$_FLAGS and check   UAI$V_DISACNT.   hth      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:03:36 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.) Message-ID: <op.tawicaj9zgicya@hyrrokkin>   H On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:00:19 -0700, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>   wrote:   > Bill Gunshannon schrieb:D >>  Looking at the next two, choice of Unix appears to be based on aC >> lack of knowledge or a misconception.  And 4th had little to say D >> except that they would prefer VMS (Note the constant reference toD >> "VAX" which shows how long since he actually used it on a regular	 >> basis. E >>  Looks to me like if HP actually wanted it they could have the EDU  >> market again.
 >>  Comments?  > , > well, you could do an experiment, sort of.1 > Let the former VMS enthusiasts know, that their . > favorite OS still is available at your site.* > If they are serious about their opinion,$ > and if VMS really still is viable,4 > they should flock back in droves, shouldn't they ? >  Michael,   So why did GSI give up on VMS?   Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:00:19 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll./ Message-ID: <e6cuhe$dj2$02$1@news.t-online.com>    Bill Gunshannon schrieb: > B > Looking at the next two, choice of Unix appears to be based on aB > lack of knowledge or a misconception.  And 4th had little to sayC > except that they would prefer VMS (Note the constant reference to C > "VAX" which shows how long since he actually used it on a regular  > basis. > C > Looks to me like if HP actually wanted it they could have the EDU  > market again.  >    > Comments?   * well, you could do an experiment, sort of./ Let the former VMS enthusiasts know, that their , favorite OS still is available at your site.( If they are serious about their opinion," and if VMS really still is viable,2 they should flock back in droves, shouldn't they ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:33:32 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <Halkuff@Verizon.Net>/ Subject: Re: RSA FOB/Device Support for OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <MOlig.132$hN2.16@trnddc05>   I We asked process software if there was an rsa user license in with this,  J their sales types are woefully uninformed about the product basics but it B appears that there is no user license in this.... anyone using it?    ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message  - news:txfD0C2sH8O2@eisner.encompasserve.org... 8 > In article <y42ig.8599$PY6.5836@trnddc05>, "Hal Kuff"  > <halkuff@verizon.net> writes: K >> Folks, I was very happy to hear that there was now support for RSA FOBS   >> andF >> what-not on OpenVMS... however it seems that Process software gets  >> $200/userK >> for the license... seems excessive... anyone have an alternative source   >> forG >> the loginout support? Does not seem to be that difficult for a crack L >> C/Socket programmer... anyone interested in doing a competeing project if >> some users pool the  cash?  > 0 > And who is going to pay the RSA license fee ?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.320 ************************