1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 18 Jun 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 337       Contents:* Absolute disbelief! (Was Re: OT Re Update). Re: Absolute disbelief! (Was Re: OT Re Update)P Re: Brokeback Mountain II - The IT Guys  (Was Re: So how representative is this 7 But are they really having fun? (Was Re:  OT Re Update)   FYI: New version of FAKE_RTL.COM0 Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down?0 Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down?0 Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down?0 Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down?0 Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? Re: New version of FAKE_RTL.COM   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:58:13 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 3 Subject: Absolute disbelief! (Was Re: OT Re Update) 1 Message-ID: <e72pp7$kgl$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Paul,  * > According to an old email from APR-2004: > G > "German beer and sausages cannot be sold in the 2006 Soccer World Cup J > stadiums in Germany. The official transport won't be BMW, VW or Mercedes > either, but Hyundai.  F Next you'll be telling me that they light up the stadium's new dome inK Dortmund yellow and black for Bayern home games??? What is the world coming * to? Are there no souls that can be bought?  8 Still, World Cups come and go. Adel Stoff is forever :-)   Cheers Richard Maher  K PS. You forgot Porsche. I don't know if any matches were played in Stutgart ) but they were certainly played around it.   < "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message5 news:776f1$448d743b$50db5015$17129@news.hispeed.ch...  > Dave Weatherall wrote:5 > > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:00:10 UTC, "Richard Maher" ( > > <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote: > > lawyer will be after you.  > >  > > L > >>stomach with jealousy about it! So I'm filling a Weissbeer glass up with VB, G > >>putting on my leather and yodling in the garden. Still, we missed a  flight > >  > > I > > You wouldn't get a weissbier in the stadium either. Budweiser (US not C > > Czech) only. At least, that's what the telly reports lead me to 6 > > understand. You'd be OK in the Olympiapark tho :-) > >  > > * > According to an old email from APR-2004: > G > "German beer and sausages cannot be sold in the 2006 Soccer World Cup J > stadiums in Germany. The official transport won't be BMW, VW or Mercedes > either, but Hyundai. > I > How come? The international governing body FIFA has sold the beer sales > > rights to Budweiser, sausage rights to (gasp) McDonald's and$ > transportation rights to Hyundai." >  > Gasp indeed. > : > ISTR that they later relented on the sausage bit though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:28:18 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Absolute disbelief! (Was Re: OT Re Update) 9 Message-ID: <S5KdnYiSmpOc7QjZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard Maher wrote:
 > Hi Paul, > + >> According to an old email from APR-2004:  >>H >> "German beer and sausages cannot be sold in the 2006 Soccer World CupK >> stadiums in Germany. The official transport won't be BMW, VW or Mercedes  >> either, but Hyundai.  > H > Next you'll be telling me that they light up the stadium's new dome inM > Dortmund yellow and black for Bayern home games??? What is the world coming , > to? Are there no souls that can be bought?  H I'm thinking that such exist.  How about the referee in the US vs Italy G match on Saturday?  An Italian player gets an entirely valid red card.  G Then a US player gets a red card for something not worth even a yellow  G at the end of the first half.  Finally another US player gets a second  G yellow on a questionable call.  Instead of being up one player, the US  ' has to finish the game one player down.   I Then the news reports that this same official has a history of less than  2 stellar repute.  What's he doing in the world cup?  4 Oh, yeah, you wanted someone who can be bought.  :-)  B Makes you think about what Brazilians do to goalies who lose.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:21:45 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: Re: Brokeback Mountain II - The IT Guys  (Was Re: So how representative is this  1 Message-ID: <e72rae$mme$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi John,  I > I wouldn't say bazillion.  1 instruction for an aligned longword fetch, E > 7 instructions for an unaligned longword fetch (including two LDQ_U H > instructions).  So you might cause more cache misses, more data movingC > from memory, etc.  Not pretty, certainly slower, not a bazillion.    Good to know, thanks.   H > Don took the early retirement package last fall.  He recently landed aG > teaching position at a small school in Virginia.  It was something he  > wanted to do.   J Sounds ideal. Sort of what my plan was until the mining boom and all theseK damn blow-ins from over east and overseas have driven the cost of living up K somewhere between London and Tokyo :-( Interst rates are going up. When are G you Americans gonna start getting nervous and stop buying things? (Then H China can stop building and we can stop digging :-) Bring on Bird Flu is what I say.   , > I'm ready for my "Summer of COBOL" (sounds' > like a bad Frankie Avalon movie, eh?)   J Welcome to the most exciting and rewarding phase of your career :-) I lookH forward to the next feature-rich version of DEC COBOL with bated breath!  C The only Frankie Avalon movie I can recall at present is that 1980s K piss-take re-make "Back to the Beach". It was pretty unremarkable as a film F but did have some pearla cameos from Gilligan, The Skipper and MaxwellH Smart! I agree with Gilligan in that we need less people who can imagineI building a Nuclear Reactor out of two coconuts and a piece of string, and - more people who can fix a 3ft hole in a boat!   , Anyway, thanks for the reply and the update.   Cheers Richard Maher  3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message , news:o3Ajg.1814$QE7.1267@news.cpqcorp.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > L > > Most COBOL sites I know of compile for /NOALIGNMENT and let the compilerL > > generate the bazillion extra instructions needed to prevent an alignment
 > > fault. > I > I wouldn't say bazillion.  1 instruction for an aligned longword fetch, E > 7 instructions for an unaligned longword fetch (including two LDQ_U H > instructions).  So you might cause more cache misses, more data movingC > from memory, etc.  Not pretty, certainly slower, not a bazillion.  > H > > Curious. Did Don Braffit die at his keyboard due to underfunding andI > > atrophy? Any point in asking the new-broom for a list of new features  thatK > > are coming up for COBOL (Local Storage? Recursion? Conforming to latest  > > standards?)  > > K > > Don't get me wrong, I'm over the moon if you're in charge of COBOL! (As  long( > > as you haven't had to give up MACRO) > H > Don took the early retirement package last fall.  He recently landed aG > teaching position at a small school in Virginia.  It was something he  > wanted to do.  > G > I picked up COBOL and the sorts (SORT & Hypersort) from Don.  I still F > have Pascal and Macro-32.  I think I can juggle all of them.  I justJ > finished a Pascal release and I'm all done with Macro-32 with regards toF > what will ship with 8.3.  I'm ready for my "Summer of COBOL" (sounds' > like a bad Frankie Avalon movie, eh?)  >  >  > --  
 > John Reagan 1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:51:49 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> @ Subject: But are they really having fun? (Was Re:  OT Re Update)1 Message-ID: <e72ppb$kgl$2@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Dave,  ) >  You'd be OK in the Olympiapark tho :-)   J The new one looks much better for fusball (without the athletic track etc)I Is there a new "Sud Curve"? Those individually controlled diamond pannels J also look like the mut's. Any decent web photos displays? Ever been lit up in Bayrische blue and white?  B > It's finished now :-) and very useful too. Sorry you missed your > flight last year.   F We were heading back from Austria and had 2:30hrs before our flight soJ thought we'd stop for lunch at Dicken Sophie's and reminisce about the oldJ days. No one told us they we were still over an hour away from the airportL :-( No big deal, it was Friday night so, given that there was zero chance ofL getting us all on the same flight back to London, we just stayed another day in Munich. Tough :-)  K If you have managed to keep working in VMS over there please drop me a line   so I can feel even more sick :-)   Cheers Richard Maher  G PS. If anyone thinks Australia isn't full of sensitive new-age men then J prepare to think again! I'd given my mates about five pages of what to do,L eat, see and say while in Munich, so imagine my surprise when, after phoningF them, I discover that they are in Hertie buying gifts for their wifes!B Everyone else was still asleep after a big night at the AugustinerL (apparently they were even filming part of The (OZ) Footy Show there) and myD mates are staying a stone's throw away in Le Meridian (I think?). NoL Englischer Garten, no Hoffbrauhaus, no Schneider Brauhaus! Ok life's not allK about beer an Brezn - No Schloss, No StarnbergerSee, No Deutches Museum, No > Andechs Monestary, No Berchtesgarten, No Autobahn, No Deutches Alpin-Strasse, No Austria!  K I told'em to just ride their horses down to Sendlinger Tor and be done with  it :-)  J PPS. The good news for you is, I intend to keep awake for the game tonight8 by regularly posting yet more pearls of wisdom into COV.  L PPS. Can someone teach the Australian fans to sing in the next few hours? ItH was painful hearing nothing but Japanese fans the other night. (But lookL what happened to them eh :-) At least they can learn "Who ate all the pies?"3 for one of Ronaldo's lightening wadles up the wing.   = "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-OTIy9BKTmTW6@dave2_os2.home.ours... 3 > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:00:10 UTC, "Richard Maher" & > <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote: >  > <Snipped Technical Stuff>  > K > > I don't know why SQL got stuck and, at the moment, I don't really care!  (AL > > couple of my mates have just left for the World Cup and are going to seeJ > > Brazil -V- Oz at the new Allianz stadium in Munich and I am sick to my > C > Careful Richard, during the world cup you can't call it that - it H > (IIRC) to be Munich FIFA world-cup stadium or some such nonsense. Some > lawyer will be after you.  > L > > stomach with jealousy about it! So I'm filling a Weissbeer glass up with VB, G > > putting on my leather and yodling in the garden. Still, we missed a  flight > G > You wouldn't get a weissbier in the stadium either. Budweiser (US not A > Czech) only. At least, that's what the telly reports lead me to 4 > understand. You'd be OK in the Olympiapark tho :-) > J > > from Munich last year 'cos of the roadworks for the stadium so I still feel$ > > very much a part of it :-( not!) > B > It's finished now :-) and very useful too. Sorry you missed your > flight last year.  >  > --   > Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:51:37 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: FYI: New version of FAKE_RTL.COM 1 Message-ID: <e72ppf$kgl$3@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   G I had an epiphany during the week regarding the "freeze" of SQL (and my C process) while trying to log calls to sys$share:secureshrp.exe from L Exec-Mode. After looking up the manuals for LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL it occuredH to me that, if this routine chooses to disable ASTs at the caller's modeH then it's not gonna have much success using RMS to access whatever image7 files it needs, if it's being called from Exec mode :-)   K But who was going to fix FAKE_RTL.COM? I immediately thought of the obvious @ and ideal person with nothin' to do and all day to do it in, butI unfortunately he was already giving a talk to the NRA on how "Anthrax and K Ammonium Nitrate don't kill people - People kill people!". So I've had a go E at it myself. Nothing that Carlos the Jackyl would brag about, but it  survived the Rdb SQL test: -  . Arg tracing started at 17-JUN-2006 10:43:18.20  / SYS$GETUAI at 10:43:55.73 from 0000000000B1035C I R0:00000009 R1:00000000 R2:00AE0050 R3:00B00000 R4 :012DF458 R5: 00B20048 I R6:056EC214 R7:01503A00 R8:00000000 R9:01503A77 R10:6C6C6568 R11:00000001  SYS$GETUAI called with 7 args 
    1 00000000 
    2 00000000     3 00B20010 => 010E0007 $                  00B20048 => MAHER_R    4 01503968 => 00060004 
    5 00000000 
    6 00000000 
    7 00000000  SYS$GETUAI returning 7 args 
    1 00000000 
    2 00000000     3 00B20010 => 010E0007 $                  00B20048 => MAHER_R    4 01503968 => 00060004 
    5 00000000 
    6 00000000 
    7 00000000 , SYS$GETUAI returned: 00000001 at 10:43:55.76I R0:00000001 R1:00000009 R2:00AE0050 R3:00B00000 R4 :012DF458 R5: 00B20048 I R6:056EC214 R7:01503A00 R8:00000000 R9:01503A77 R10:6C6C6568 R11:00000001    exit status: 1138847A   K I also FAKEd sys$secureshr.exe and was curious as to why sys$scan_intrusion L didn't show up with the authorization failure. But my Rdb is V 7.0.3 and theH intrusion detection wasn't introduced till 7.0.7 and 7.1.1. I've finallyL managed to down load 7.0.8 and will try to install it later and let you knowI if there's anything exciting. I didn't want all of my childhood illusions L shattered in one day, so I held off on spoofing DECCRTL. But the new command2 file can be found here if you want to have a go: -  L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1034250  I It will only log "called with" messages if it was called above Supervisor J mode (but I've left the"returning" bits in so you can see what other modesJ are being used. If it's going to survive at Exec-Mode-AST level then you'dL probably have to change the logging to use Aysnchronous RMS. And Kernel modeL is always gonna be "suck it and see" (Preferably *not* in a live environment :-)   J Ayway, if you define the logical name FAKE_LOAD then *all* of the routinesJ in REAL_*.EXE will be loaded at User-Mode, PLV-less lib$initialize time. IF first thought that maybe you could just fudge-it and do a LIB$FIS on aK "dummy" label in the Real_Rtl and hope that that got all the RMS out of the K way, but in the end I bit the bullet and loaded them all. I also fixed up a 1 couple of other things like the argument probing.   K Good luck at discovering who else is committing Stephen Hoffman's "crime of I the century". I'd really like to have a go at RTR but there's just no way J I'd install that crap on my system even though DEC had to give it away for; free. (Hey, why isn't it included in the source code kits?)    Cheers Richard Maher  J PS. Unfortunately you *must* define SECURESHR and SECURESHRP in the SYSTEMJ logical name table at Executive Mode. (I thought it was supposed to be anyL table now?) And you also have to INSTALL all the shareables FAKE*, REAL* useJ /op/he/share. God bless IMCB$V_PARENT_PROT (without which we'd all be wellH and truly Rogered!) In the case of Protected shareables like secureshrP,* they also have to be installed /PROTECTED.  F PPS. Remember to DEASSIGN SECURESHR* *before* running FAKE_RTL.COM forK second and subsequent times. Also remember to reINSTALL the new versions of ' everything after you've GENed them. . .   9 "Come on Aussie, C'mon, C'mon. . .Come on Aussie, C'mon!"   > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:e6e545$6p9$1@news-02.connect.com.au...  > Hi,  >  > Just a quick update: - > G > Finally got around to playing with Jimbo "Adnan Khashoggi" Gillings's H > FAKE_RTL.COM and honestly, I haven't heard of anything this useful forK > causing general mayhem since the Kalashnikov hit the streets after WWII -  > Well done that man!  > I > I made a quick couple of changes so that the call was only logged if in  EXEC > mode ie: - > 6 >             PUSHR #^M<R0,R1>    ; preserve registers > ;+ > ; Only EXEC mode logs  > ;- >               movpsl r0 7 >               extzv  #psl$v_prvmod,psl$s_prvmod,r0,r0 % >               cmpl   #psl$c_exec,r0   >               blss   skip_dump > ;  >               PUSHL #1, >               PUSHAL @16(AP)    ; arg list0 >               PUSHAB @8(AP)     ; routine name& >               CALLS #3,FAKE_DUMPARGS > skip_dump:5 >             POPR  #^M<R0,R1>    ; restore registers 5 >           CLRL  skip            ; unblock recursion  >         DoneEntry: > A > After doing all the installing and Exec mode logicals stuff for / > SECURSHRP.EXE I then went into SQL and did: -  > " > SQL> attach 'file mf_personnel';K > SQL> set session authorization 'user ''maher_r'' using ''minesawiener'''; . > <Have to $stop/id job here for some reason?> > L > I don't know why SQL got stuck and, at the moment, I don't really care! (AJ > couple of my mates have just left for the World Cup and are going to seeH > Brazil -V- Oz at the new Allianz stadium in Munich and I am sick to myJ > stomach with jealousy about it! So I'm filling a Weissbeer glass up with VB, L > putting on my leather and yodling in the garden. Still, we missed a flightH > from Munich last year 'cos of the roadworks for the stadium so I still feel" > very much a part of it :-( not!) > " > Anyway, this is what happened: - >  > Tier3_Dev> ty argdump.log 0 > Arg tracing started at 10-JUN-2006 16:44:10.24 >  >  > SYS$GETUAI at 16:45:28.82 K > R0:00000001 R1:00000000 R2:00F32050 R3:00F52000 R4 :01773458 R5: 00F72048 K > R6:056EC214 R7:01997A00 R8:00000000 R9:01997A77 R10:00000064 R11:00000001  > SYS$GETUAI called with 7 args  >    1 00000000  >    2 00000000  >    3 00F72010 => 010E0007 & >                  00F72048 => MAHER_R >    4 01997968 => 00060004  >    5 00000000  >    6 00000000  >    7 00000000  > G > I could be very much mistaken, but for my money, this proves that Rdb  calls ? > sys$getuai from Exec Mode. More specifically, I say it is the K > cosi_authenticate routine in sys$share:rdb$cosip.exe (and if the fussball G > gets boring then I'll check it out for sure). So if I had the biggest  mouth I > on the planet (OK, after me) and I ran around scaring (already nervous)  VMS H > customers about the dangers of such practices then I'd want to wind my neckH > in and start apologising right about now! (Or I'd expect my arse to beJ > kicked so fast through my bosses office that it wouldn't touch down till it- > was training my replacements in Bangalore!)  > J > What is wrong with you people??? Hoffman says this can't be done, Rdb isJ > doing it, and you should all be scared shitless! You don't have to standD > tall but you do have to stand up! Get off your knees and walk like	 bi-peds - F > Straight to your VMS (or Rdb) support person, or (preferably) to you account  > rep. > K > Still, wearing my XML coloured glasses, I can clearly see how all of this @ > could be fixed with a simple metadata-rich ODBC interface to a
 pseudo-device 	 > driver,  >  > Regards Richard Maher  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:54:25 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 9 Subject: Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? = Message-ID: <44954cbd$0$60782$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: D > The question then becomes: how much money/effort is it to fight toH > reshape SAP  to meet your needs, versus continuing to upgrade your ownI > in-house software that was designed with those industry specific needs.  > F > SAP tells you that you need to reshape your company to fit SAP.  ButA > there are cases where this is very difficult if not impossible.   I There are many, many ERP vendors, many of them specializing in providing  E solutions for special kinds of companies, e.g., JF you used airplane  E manufactures as examples.  Boeing is using Baan because that company  I specializes in ERP for manufactures of highly complex products.  You are  E a bad manager if you buy an ERP system without checking that the ERP  D system can support his company.  If necessary ask the ERP vendor to  demonstrate it.   E I am not saying that you should always buy a standard package.  I am  H simply saying that you had better be damned sure that you do not reject H them for the wrong reasons, e.g., that the do not support your business A processes, when in reality these processes are inferior to those  I supported by the standard package.  Only so many companies have business  F processes as there key competence.  Perhaps the rest of the companies + should be ready to take advice from others.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:21:50 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 9 Subject: Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? ; Message-ID: <87f93$4495536f$50db5015$10035@news.hispeed.ch>    Dave Froble wrote:  B > Some things, and payroll is a special case, actually need to be K > 'standard'.  Small and medium sized companies are better off just paying  J > a bank or ADP or such to do the payroll.  That avoids multiple problems. >   F Or getting a standard off the shelf package, with maintenance updates.  A The latter are essential to cope with the seemingly never ending  A "tweaking" of the tax system, social payments, etc by government.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:21:17 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 9 Subject: Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? = Message-ID: <44955309$0$67260$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Dave Froble wrote:I > A former customer was a sporting goods distributor.  Consider baseball  J > equipment.  Consider just how seasonal such can be.  An old friend once J > looked at the company and marveled at their capability to do well in an K > environment where nine (9) months of the year the company had a negative   > cash flow. > F > Now consider purchasing gloves from a supplier in the Orient.  Lead J > times can approach six (6) months.  You better have a real good idea of J > what will be the hot sellers this year, and just how many you can sell. F >  Don't order enough, your customers (stores) get upset because they H > cannot get enough product.  Order too much, and end up destroying the 	 > excess.  > G > A custom sales analysis system was designed to allow the customer to  I > track bookings (made in Sept for delivery in Jan-Mar) by week, current  D > year vs last year vs 2 years ago.  The ordering of long lead time J > products became VERY effective.  That's called 'doing it better'.  That 1 > makes you more profitable than the competitors.   I The entire fashion industry has that problem.  So has a numbers of other  D industries, e.g., in the PC industry it has become common to change G models every 3 month.  You had better be right on how many PCs you ask  I your Chinese partner to build or you will loose money.  Merchandise sold  I in connection to movies is an other example.  A few months after a movie  G   is released you can drive all unsold merchandise to the dumpster.  I  G would be damned if you cannot buy tools for predicting sales.  I would  > be damned if nobody is selling a package for such predictions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:13:29 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? 9 Message-ID: <dPadnSmvkZgU8QjZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Karsten Nyblad wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:J >> A former customer was a sporting goods distributor.  Consider baseball F >> equipment.  Consider just how seasonal such can be.  An old friend J >> once looked at the company and marveled at their capability to do well I >> in an environment where nine (9) months of the year the company had a   >> negative cash flow. >>G >> Now consider purchasing gloves from a supplier in the Orient.  Lead  H >> times can approach six (6) months.  You better have a real good idea H >> of what will be the hot sellers this year, and just how many you can H >> sell.  Don't order enough, your customers (stores) get upset because J >> they cannot get enough product.  Order too much, and end up destroying  >> the excess. >>H >> A custom sales analysis system was designed to allow the customer to J >> track bookings (made in Sept for delivery in Jan-Mar) by week, current E >> year vs last year vs 2 years ago.  The ordering of long lead time  F >> products became VERY effective.  That's called 'doing it better'.  7 >> That makes you more profitable than the competitors.  > K > The entire fashion industry has that problem.  So has a numbers of other  F > industries, e.g., in the PC industry it has become common to change I > models every 3 month.  You had better be right on how many PCs you ask  K > your Chinese partner to build or you will loose money.  Merchandise sold  K > in connection to movies is an other example.  A few months after a movie  H >  is released you can drive all unsold merchandise to the dumpster.  I I > would be damned if you cannot buy tools for predicting sales.  I would  @ > be damned if nobody is selling a package for such predictions.  B I just mentioned one.  I'm sure there are others.  But I'd wonder ( whether SAP has gotten this specialized.  I One of the real keys in such a system is being able to predict demand of  = the latest widget based upon prior sales of similar products.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:17:27 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Just Ask The Vendor: Can OpenVMS Scale Down? 9 Message-ID: <8-ydndYTg6Pr8AjZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Karsten Nyblad wrote:  >  I  I > would be damned if you cannot buy tools for predicting sales.  I would  @ > be damned if nobody is selling a package for such predictions.   I just cannot let that go by.   " Maybe there are existing products.  I I cannot count the times I've heard people declare that such just had to  D exist, and then spend considerable time and money on a search.  The D final result was giving up the search and just producing the needed 	 software.   E Not saying tools don't exist.  Just saying that perhaps a particular  = need is not as universal as some with that need might expect.   G If it's a competitor that has the application, figure the odds on them  ' helping you compete in a better manner.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:55:08 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ( Subject: Re: New version of FAKE_RTL.COM1 Message-ID: <e73sth$a6k$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   $ Just a quick update before kick-off.  I Below is the tracing from a "SQL> set session auth" What does it mean for L VMS security? I'm not sure, but if VMS can achieve higher than a Z9 security' rating then my arse can play the banjo!   G If you think this is bad, wait for my critique on a couple of other VMS J system services that happily permit unprivileged vandels to spray graffitiD all over inner-mode protected memory. Oh but no! I have to listen toD hypocritical self-serving low-life telling me about fantasies of howG essential functionality such as SQL> Set Session Authorization 'persona ' ''ws_integer'''; is a security risk :-(   J (Or the joke of all jokes - How an XML interface to OPCOM or Authorize (orI Show-bloody-time for that matter) is what money should be spent on) Alas, E unlike the blue-sky thinkers that HP sees fit to employ, I have to do J something to pay the bills during the week, but I will get you the details ASAP.    Regards Richard Maher   . Arg tracing started at 18-JUN-2006 13:29:37.12    / SYS$GETUAI at 13:31:17.58 from 0000000000B60BF4 I R0:00000009 R1:00000000 R2:00B300B8 R3:00B40000 R4 :00000001 R5: 002D0000 I R6:00B70000 R7:01641880 R8:01641A10 R9:68616C62 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E  SYS$GETUAI called with 7 args 
    1 00000000 
    2 00000000     3 01641698 => 010E0008 %                  01641668 => BLOGGS_J     4 01641758 => 00060004 
    5 00000000 
    6 00000000 
    7 00000000  SYS$GETUAI returning 7 args 
    1 00000000 
    2 00000000     3 01641698 => 010E0008 %                  01641668 => BLOGGS_J     4 01641758 => 00060004 
    5 00000000 
    6 00000000 
    7 00000000 , SYS$GETUAI returned: 00000001 at 13:31:17.61I R0:00000001 R1:00000009 R2:00B300B8 R3:00B40000 R4 :00000001 R5: 002D0000 I R6:00B70000 R7:01641880 R8:01641A10 R9:68616C62 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E         7 SYS$SCAN_INTRUSION at 13:31:17.61 from 0000000000B60494 I R0:00000009 R1:00000000 R2:00B30010 R3:697BA16E R4 :00000001 R5: 142D880A I R6:00B70000 R7:01641880 R8:01641A10 R9:68616C62 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E & SYS$SCAN_INTRUSION called with 11 args
    1 0000209C     2 01641698 => 010E0008 %                  01641668 => BLOGGS_J 
    3 00000005     4 01641138 => 010E0006 #                  01641140 => TNA15:     5 01641170 => 010E0000                   00000000 =>    6 01641148 => 010E000C $                  01641150 => MAHER_R
    7 00000000     8 01641690 => 010E0004 !                  01641640 => BLAH 
    9 00000000 
   10 00000000 
   11 00001000     ?   SYS$$SEND_SECSRV_MESSAGE at 13:31:17.62 from 0000000000871C44 K   R0:00000009 R1:0099E45C R2:00834A30 R3:00000000 R4 :00000000 R5: 01641170 K   R6:00040000 R7:00000001 R8:00000000 R9:00000001 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E -   SYS$$SEND_SECSRV_MESSAGE called with 3 args       1 00000005       2 01640DA8 => 000005C6       3 01640DF8 => 00000008 +   SYS$$SEND_SECSRV_MESSAGE returning 3 args       1 00000005       2 01640DA8 => 000005C6       3 01640DF8 => 00000004 <   SYS$$SEND_SECSRV_MESSAGE returned: 00000001 at 13:31:17.65K   R0:00000001 R1:00000004 R2:00834A30 R3:00000000 R4 :00000000 R5: 01641170 K   R6:00040000 R7:00000001 R8:00000000 R9:00000001 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E     $ SYS$SCAN_INTRUSION returning 11 args
    1 0000209C     2 01641698 => 010E0008 %                  01641668 => BLOGGS_J 
    3 00000005     4 01641138 => 010E0006 #                  01641140 => TNA15:     5 01641170 => 010E0000                   00000000 =>    6 01641148 => 010E000C $                  01641150 => MAHER_R
    7 00000000     8 01641690 => 010E0004 !                  01641640 => BLAH 
    9 00000000 
   10 00000000 
   11 00001000 4 SYS$SCAN_INTRUSION returned: 06EE97CB at 13:31:17.65I R0:06EE97CB R1:00000001 R2:00B30010 R3:697BA16E R4 :00000001 R5: 142D880A I R6:00B70000 R7:01641880 R8:01641A10 R9:68616C62 R10:00000000 R11:0000000E      exit status: 1138847A    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.337 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                        p;Ik|gO[ވ2wo$y?H2vd!vȵH֏s
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