1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 21 Jun 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 343       Contents:) Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top Dog ) Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top Dog ) Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top Dog - Re: console message involving RUN/STOP switch - Re: console message involving RUN/STOP switch ? Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating? ? Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating? ? Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating? % Re: How can I read a locked VMS file? % Re: How can I read a locked VMS file? % Re: How can I read a locked VMS file? % Re: How can I read a locked VMS file?  Re: Hung System RWMBX state  RE: Hung System RWMBX state # Re: Open VMS OS recovery on Itanium # Re: Open VMS OS recovery on Itanium 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...  PLUG: txt2pdf 9.1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 08:17:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top Dog3 Message-ID: <MJmdSUBgsfqr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <t1Hlg.2079$j75.1831@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: >  From Business Week:A > http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_25/b3989071.htm  >  > JUNE 19, 2006 ! > By Peter Burrows and Steve Hamm  > INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY >  > Tech Has A New Top Dog > H > HP is now outselling IBM, signaling a shift -- and a challenge -- for  > the industry > H > "Tech is about to get a new biggest behemoth. It's HP. The Palo Alto, K > Calif., PC and printer giant had higher sales than IBM last quarter, and  J > analysts project it will finish 2006 with greater annual sales than Big M > Blue for the first time ever: $91 billion for HP vs. $90.5 billion for IBM.   C    I wonder who made more profits.  HP could be a big money loosing /    company on higher sales if its not carefull.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 06:31:59 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 2 Subject: Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top DogA Message-ID: <1150896719.486406.90020@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   3 Does this mean they can now advertise OpenVMS more?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:47:50 GMT ' From: Duane <gillbilly@ns.sympatico.ca> 2 Subject: Re: Business Week: Tech Has A New Top Dog8 Message-ID: <7vli92h66v86jc38p2rf7es704j61gtdm1@4ax.com>  9 On 21 Jun 2006 06:31:59 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   4 >Does this mean they can now advertise OpenVMS more?  . Sorry, I think corporate policy prevents that.  B But they could partner with some companies that have best of breed? applications, fully support them and let them advertise. Spread $ everything (risk and reward) around.  F In a world that wants collaborative, commodity computing, wouldn't youG want your widget to be the commodity that collaborates with everything?   1 I think now is a better time to lead than follow.   C    OpenVMS: Capable of solving this generations computing problems.        Duane Gillespie    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:27:58 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk6 Subject: Re: console message involving RUN/STOP switch) Message-ID: <e7b3eu$22b$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   w In article <e79q4b$bko$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: D >helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to >reply) writes:  > H >> I'm testing out some old hardware, an ALPHAserver 2100.  It powers up0 >> fine, the console sees all the devices etc.   >>9 >> I wanted to boot it off of a CD, but I get the message  >>N >>    dka600.6.0.1 has no media present or is disabled via the RUN/STOP switch! >>    failed to open dka600.6.0.1  >>  N >>    dka600.6.0.1 has no media present or is disabled via the RUN/STOP switch! >>    failed to open dka600.6.0.1  >>  B >> I tried a 7.3-2 CD and a 7.3-1 CD.  Both are copies, but I haveI >> successfully booted off of them in other machines in the past.  The CD H >> drive in the 2100 is an RRD43.  I have an original 7.1 CD but I can't >> find it at the moment.  > J >I'm pretty sure now that it is due to the fact that I am using copies of I >CDs and not original CDs.  (Unfortunately, I can't find my original 7.1  J >CD.)  In terms of data, my copies are exact copies.  The problem is that C >the original CDs have small pits for the bits and the copies have  G >different reflectivity.  Old drives can't read copies.  Some somewhat  F >newer drives can read them but they won't work as a boot drive.  New H >drives don't have any problems at all.  (I have installed and upgraded $ >VMS many times from copies of CDs.) > H >I have an expansion box with 5 TOSHIBA CD drives in it.  Since the 2100H >has two tape drives and a CD drive, that is one device too many.  I setA >the IDs of the CDs in my box such that there is only one SCSI-ID I >conflict.  When I do this, and put the CD in one of the drives in my box G >(connected to the SCSI connector near the top of the 2100, not the one H >on the card in the expansion slot---I don't see anything at the consoleE >if I connect to it), the machine starts to boot, but stops after the 	 >message   >  >   jumping to bootstrap code  > I >Like I said, there are two devices with the same SCSI ID on the bus and  A >also the cable is quite long.  Either or both of these could be  I >contributing to the problem (perhaps along with the fact that the drive  J >is perhaps not completely able to read the copy CD, though I'm sure that 3 >it can handle it if it is not being used to boot).  > H >Unfortunately, trying a shorter cable would mean getting the heavy box E >down off of a high shelf and removing one of the devices on the bus  F >would mean opening up the expansion box or the 2100 itself.  I don't  >have time to test this now. > K I'd suspect that is what is causing the RUN/STOP problem with the CD Drive. N I had this happen on my PWS 600au home system just recently but this was with O real VMS OS CDs not copies. Hence I thought the CD drive had just given up the  ( ghost and wasn't able to read the media.F I purchased a replacement drive from Island however at the same time IG purchased a new dual port SCSI card since I was using both internal and O external drives on the inbuilt scsi card (which according to something I'd read L you shouldn't be able to do - though it had been working fine (including theE CD drive until recently). Also I wanted to add in a few more drives).   O When I installed the new scsi card so that the internal drives were on one scsi I connection and the external on another then the original CD drive started  working again.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University              F >Any serious hardware errors would have showed up at the console or onF >the alphanumeric display on the machine itself.  The fact that it gotA >this far indicates to me that there is no real problem with it.   >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:18:28 +0100 9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> 6 Subject: Re: console message involving RUN/STOP switch? Message-ID: <9db9683a4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>   ( In message <e7b3eu$22b$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>)           david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   F > In article <e79q4b$bko$3@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de4 > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:E >>helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  >>reply) writes: >>I >>> I'm testing out some old hardware, an ALPHAserver 2100.  It powers up / >>> fine, the console sees all the devices etc.  >>> : >>> I wanted to boot it off of a CD, but I get the message >>> O >>>    dka600.6.0.1 has no media present or is disabled via the RUN/STOP switch " >>>    failed to open dka600.6.0.1 >>> O >>>    dka600.6.0.1 has no media present or is disabled via the RUN/STOP switch " >>>    failed to open dka600.6.0.1 >>> C >>> I tried a 7.3-2 CD and a 7.3-1 CD.  Both are copies, but I have J >>> successfully booted off of them in other machines in the past.  The CDI >>> drive in the 2100 is an RRD43.  I have an original 7.1 CD but I can't  >>> find it at the moment. >>J >>I'm pretty sure now that it is due to the fact that I am using copies ofI >>CDs and not original CDs.  (Unfortunately, I can't find my original 7.1 J >>CD.)  In terms of data, my copies are exact copies.  The problem is thatC >>the original CDs have small pits for the bits and the copies have G >>different reflectivity.  Old drives can't read copies.  Some somewhat F >>newer drives can read them but they won't work as a boot drive.  NewH >>drives don't have any problems at all.  (I have installed and upgraded% >>VMS many times from copies of CDs.)  >>I >>I have an expansion box with 5 TOSHIBA CD drives in it.  Since the 2100 I >>has two tape drives and a CD drive, that is one device too many.  I set B >>the IDs of the CDs in my box such that there is only one SCSI-IDJ >>conflict.  When I do this, and put the CD in one of the drives in my boxH >>(connected to the SCSI connector near the top of the 2100, not the oneI >>on the card in the expansion slot---I don't see anything at the console F >>if I connect to it), the machine starts to boot, but stops after the	 >>message  >> >>   jumping to bootstrap code >>I >>Like I said, there are two devices with the same SCSI ID on the bus and A >>also the cable is quite long.  Either or both of these could be I >>contributing to the problem (perhaps along with the fact that the drive J >>is perhaps not completely able to read the copy CD, though I'm sure that4 >>it can handle it if it is not being used to boot). >>H >>Unfortunately, trying a shorter cable would mean getting the heavy boxE >>down off of a high shelf and removing one of the devices on the bus F >>would mean opening up the expansion box or the 2100 itself.  I don't >>have time to test this now.  >>M > I'd suspect that is what is causing the RUN/STOP problem with the CD Drive. O > I had this happen on my PWS 600au home system just recently but this was with P > real VMS OS CDs not copies. Hence I thought the CD drive had just given up the* > ghost and wasn't able to read the media.H > I purchased a replacement drive from Island however at the same time II > purchased a new dual port SCSI card since I was using both internal and H > external drives on the inbuilt scsi card (which according to something
 > I'd read  G That riungs a distant bell. I think the controller is terminated. That  G means it must be at the end of the cable, and if you use both internal  E and external cables, it is in the middle. You then end up with three  C terminators, and poor signal quality. The result can be apparently  ; random, and things work if both cables are kept very short.   F I could be wrong, but the distant memory is of some similar effect on   a 3100 Vax - about 10 years ago.  N > you shouldn't be able to do - though it had been working fine (including theG > CD drive until recently). Also I wanted to add in a few more drives).  > H > When I installed the new scsi card so that the internal drives were on
 > one scsiK > connection and the external on another then the original CD drive started  > working again. >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >  >  >  >  > G >>Any serious hardware errors would have showed up at the console or on G >>the alphanumeric display on the machine itself.  The fact that it got A >>this far indicates to me that there is no real problem with it.  >>     --  ! Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire & alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:54:41 -0400 / From: "Randal T. Rioux" <randy@procyonlabs.com> H Subject: Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating?. Message-ID: <4498DF21.2030507@procyonlabs.com>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160   F >>> I seem to recall having heard of at least one customized [at greatE >>> expense] VAX/VMS version that achieved the Orange Book A1 rating.  >>> L >>    The package that the paper is citing -- variously known as SVS, or as K >> the VVAX Virtual VAX -- did not receive an A1 evaluation, and was never   >> released as a product.  > E > My recollection is that the decision not to release it as a product ) > was what caused it not to be evaluated.  > ...snip...snip...cut... A > For an example of how unimportant this has become, note that in A > recent years VMS development has not felt sufficient government C > pressure to get an evaluation under the new Common Criteria.  The C > only hint I have seen from the feds is the second public draft of A > 800-53A (comment period still open) which places a considerably E > heavier burden on those running High Impact applications on systems C > that have not received a TCSEC or Common Criteria evaluation.  An H > example of a High Impact system is one that contains personal data :-)  H It does seem that rather than initiating certification based on product,@ government regulations are pushing more for certification of theH implementation. My opinion: you will never again see a "rating" given toE a specific COTS product... or even a modified product. At least not a # truly recognized, respected rating.   H I actually see that as a plus, thus removing the mindset that says "thisG product is A1_Orange_Green_NSA_Super_Secret Approved - so let's install + it, use the defaults, and forget about it!"    - -- Randal T. Rioux | Procyon Labs IT Security R&D and Consulting Virtual: www.procyonlabs.com Physical: DC / Baltimore7 PGP: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xD08D1941      -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- # Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org  @ iD8DBQFEmN8gRrGMQdCNGUERA0+FAJ9yU5PtyuUwoWj7GZspdgluL3itYQCdEM5h rhwuos9YeZ/ciYAF9Eaid8M= =uRx2  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:16:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating?, Message-ID: <4498F22E.2E104FB4@teksavvy.com>   "Randal T. Rioux" wrote:J > I actually see that as a plus, thus removing the mindset that says "thisI > product is A1_Orange_Green_NSA_Super_Secret Approved - so let's install - > it, use the defaults, and forget about it!"   F There is another side of the coin. Those standards restrict RFPs being@ sent only to serious vendors and thus prevent been counters fromG choosing the cheapest solution with some salesperson promising that the 3 needed security features are/will be included soon.   G In other words, without strict guidelines on OS level security, Windows # can be considered for serious uses.   G And without strict OS level security rules, it means that a Windows ISV E could write an application that implements, at application level, the B security features that the RFP calls for. And everyone knowns thatC application-level security just isn't as good as OS level security.     H Besides, in the current environment in the USA,  restricting access goesG against the "total information awareness" that the current regime wants G so much, so having a department totally secure its systems goes against E the regime's mantra.  Heck, they even say that the Patriot act grants H them the power to subpeana payroll records of foreign subsidiaries of USG based corporations. (i.e. White House gets payroll records of HP Canada @ employees who work for what is a canadian registered corporation operating solely in Canada).   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 06:56:38 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) H Subject: Re: Has any version of VMS ever received an A1 security rating?3 Message-ID: <WvDxt1JzGsyK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <4498DF21.2030507@procyonlabs.com>, "Randal T. Rioux" <randy@procyonlabs.com> writes:  H > >>> I seem to recall having heard of at least one customized [at greatG > >>> expense] VAX/VMS version that achieved the Orange Book A1 rating.  > >>> N > >>    The package that the paper is citing -- variously known as SVS, or as M > >> the VVAX Virtual VAX -- did not receive an A1 evaluation, and was never   > >> released as a product.  > > G > > My recollection is that the decision not to release it as a product + > > was what caused it not to be evaluated.  > > ...snip...snip...cut... C > > For an example of how unimportant this has become, note that in C > > recent years VMS development has not felt sufficient government E > > pressure to get an evaluation under the new Common Criteria.  The E > > only hint I have seen from the feds is the second public draft of C > > 800-53A (comment period still open) which places a considerably G > > heavier burden on those running High Impact applications on systems E > > that have not received a TCSEC or Common Criteria evaluation.  An J > > example of a High Impact system is one that contains personal data :-) > J > It does seem that rather than initiating certification based on product,B > government regulations are pushing more for certification of theJ > implementation. My opinion: you will never again see a "rating" given toG > a specific COTS product... or even a modified product. At least not a % > truly recognized, respected rating.   G I cannot say that with certainty, and a CC evaluation would be of great I assistance if the Second Public Draft of 800-53A goes into effect intact. " Consider for instance from page 4:  E 	"Product testing, evaluation, and validation are routinely conducted ? 	today on cryptographic modules and general-purpose information A 	technology products such as operating systems, database systems, : 	firewalls, intrusion detection devices, web browsers, webA 	applications, smart cards, biometrics devices, personal identity = 	verification devices, web applications, network devices, and > 	hardware platforms using national and international standardsE 	such as FIPS 140-2, Security Requirements for Cryptographic Modules, > 	and ISO/IEC 15408, Common Criteria for Information Technology@ 	Security Evaluation. If an information system component product? 	is identified as providing support for the implementation of a @ 	particular security control in NIST Special Publication 800-53,C 	then the evidence produced during the product testing, evaluation, : 	and validation processes can be used with other available: 	assessment-related evidence obtained from the application= 	of the assessment methods and procedures in this publication = 	to produce an effective justification and rationale that the 3 	security control is effective in its application."   B Absent that evaluation, government folks must comply with AC-12.3:  < 	"Test the session termination mechanism by allowing a validB 	user session to remain inactive for [organization-defined period]7 	to determine if the session automatically terminates."   H Testing that on multiple individual VMS machines (for instance) is a lotF more work than just testing the value of TTY_TIMEOUT with an automatedE tool and relying on the operating system evaluation.  Likely agencies D will decide they can test the effectiveness of that operating systemC control just once for each version of a given operating system, but ' that still takes a lot of coordination.   J > I actually see that as a plus, thus removing the mindset that says "thisI > product is A1_Orange_Green_NSA_Super_Secret Approved - so let's install - > it, use the defaults, and forget about it!"   E Yes, the FISMA/FIPS 200/NIST 800-53 approach is certainly superior in G requiring machines be configured securely.  But for High Impact systems G on certain controls it still requires evaluation (rating) style testing 0 of the integrity of operating system mechanisms.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:16:17 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>. Subject: Re: How can I read a locked VMS file?* Message-ID: <5n6mg.6989$Za5.6791@trnddc04>   Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > Rob Brown wrote: > ) >>On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Dave Froble wrote:  >> >> >>>Rob Brown wrote:  >>> E >>>>I did some experiments with VMS/Alpha V7.1.  It appears that this . >>>>approach does not give the desired result. >  > :  > > >>>An interesting experiment, and not the results I would have >>>expected. >  > < >>>The BACKUP >>should<< pick up all allocated disk storage. >> >>If only that were true.  >  > 6 > It should. Somehow. If need be with an extra switch. >  > F >>>The 'proper' place to handle such is in the application writing the >>>log file. >> >>Evidently. >  > H > Beg to differ. The application, in Rob's example does everything write > (:-)@ > The readers VMS provide are could be improved on (are broken?) > A > I replied it with a MACRO program already to show the writer is 
 > correct. > ; > I forgot to put the really simple solution in that reply. 6 > Just open the file with DCL for READ, allowing WRITE1 > Then use the logical name. Using Rob's example:  >   ' > $ open/read/share=write x openlog.txt 
 > $ type x >   G I don't know if this matches the original poster's problem (and the one C you are solving if it's actually a side-track from the OP's), but I 1 just tried this and it didn't work.  I still get:   * $ open/read/share=write x tmp:ABC_LINK.LOG@    %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.LOG; as
      input4    -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user  + (Giving myself all privileges didn't help.)       @ (Here and in the examples below, TMP: is a logical name pointingA to a work directory, DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP], and RUN: is a logical name = pointing to the executables directory, DSA3:[XYZZY.RUN].  The @ logical names actually get expanded because they are run through= f$parse to apply defaults, i.e. tmp:.log and run:.exe, to the A symbols eventually passed to the run/detached command.  So please  ignore the noise :-)   This is Alpha VMS V7.3-2,   % $ run DSA3:[XYZZY.RUN]ABC_LINK.EXE; - !          /process_name=ABC_LINK -           /detached -          /input=NL: - /          /output=DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.LOG - .          /error=DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.ERR - 	/...	   $ dir/full tmp:ABC_LINK.LOG;   Directory DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]  5 ABC_LINK.LOG;156              File ID:  (53291,121,0) / Size:            0/252        Owner:    [XYZZY] # Created:    20-MAY-2006 15:01:03.42 ' Revised:    20-MAY-2006 15:01:03.42 (0)  Expires:    <None specified># Backup:     22-MAY-2006 03:14:40.52  Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughF File attributes:    Allocation: 252, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0%                      No version limit E Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytes 4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 0/252 blocks. $       G The program is written in BASIC V1.5, and the log file is the result of  normal BASIC print statements.  E We have lots of examples of this (not, I think, all in BASIC.)  If it D gets annoying enough, we fix it by creating a stub command file thatB just has a "$ run run:abc_link" in it, and then change the startupE command file to specify that file for /input, and loginout.exe as the G image to run.  This creates a TMP:ABC_LINK.LOG that we can read without  stopping the program.    $ run sys$system:loginout.exe - !          /process_name=ABC_LINK -           /detached -4          /input=DSA3:[XYZZY.RUN]ABC_LINK_INPUT.COM -/          /output=DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.LOG - .          /error=DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.ERR - 	/...	  C The down-side of this method is that it seems to require (since VMS < V7.2-1) CMKRNL, or the process just vanishes after creation.         > Enjoy! > Hein.  >      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:30:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: How can I read a locked VMS file?, Message-ID: <4498F5A1.B20FC8C7@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:, > $ open/read/share=write x tmp:ABC_LINK.LOGB >    %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.LOG; as >      input6 >    -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user    C If the other guy didn't open the file with /share=write, then it is - normal behaviour that you are refused access.   G What the /share=write does is tell VMS if you are willing to let others G write to the file at same time as you. For this to work, those who have G already opened the file must have also told VMS they are willing to see ! others share writing to the file.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 04:59:25 -0700< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>. Subject: Re: How can I read a locked VMS file?C Message-ID: <1150891165.875061.207420@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:= > > The BACKUP >>should<< pick up all allocated disk storage.  >  > Why should it ?   1 Because that's what's it only purpose in life is?    Check out "HELP BACKUP"..    "BACKUP A      Invokes the Backup utility (BACKUP) to perform the following  BACKUP operations:"      o  Make copies of disk files.      : "   D Well, in the presented case is does NOT make a true copy of the disk
 file does it?     Q >> In a sequential file, there is no point in going past  the enf of file marker.   E I believe the example shows there is a point. Kinda an all or nothing  point.+ The EOF markers  (EBK, FFB) are just hints. > Very hand hints as maintained by RMS, but they are just hints.B Applications may or might not choose to maintain it, listen to it.? Applications may of might not write sequential files using RMS. D IMHO Backup has no business second guessing usefulnes of blocks in a" file based on the EOF information.  I >> Similarly, in an indexed file, there is also the concept of an "end of < file" because you can have fewer blocks used than allocated.  C Is there? Not in the VMS I know. The EOF has no meaning for indexed  files. I just tried to doublecheck:  0 $ dir/full test.idx... [Edited to reduce output]4 TEST.IDX;2                    File ID:  (98701,12,0). Size:           50/51         Owner:    [HEIN]3 File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 key - File attributes:    Allocation: 51, Extend: 0  $ type test.idx  aap er was eens een aap  bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb dddddddddddddddddd eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee noot die luste een noot  $ set file/att=ebk=1 test.idx  $ type test.idx  aap er was eens een aap  bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb dddddddddddddddddd eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee noot die luste een noot 1 $ dir/full test.idx.... [Edited to reduce output] 4 TEST.IDX;2                    File ID:  (98701,12,0). Size:            0/51         Owner:    [HEIN]3 File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 key . File attributes:    Allocation: 51, Extend: 0,   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 05:17:54 -0700< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>. Subject: Re: How can I read a locked VMS file?C Message-ID: <1150892274.847174.133510@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    John Santos wrote:  @ Hi John, I failed to recognize your name on the earlier replies.C Good stuff, like how the EOF on an indexed fiel can not be trusted. = Good to see your company name out in the open in VMS context.     > Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > > Rob Brown wrote: : I > I don't know if this matches the original poster's problem (and the one ? > you are solving if it's actually a side-track from the OP's),   F Right, I was not dealing with to OP, just continuing on Rob's example.    9 > but I just tried this and it didn't work.  I still get:  > , > $ open/read/share=write x tmp:ABC_LINK.LOG6 >    -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user : ' > $ run DSA3:[XYZZY.RUN]ABC_LINK.EXE; -  >          /detached -1 >          /output=DSA3:[XYZZY.TMP]ABC_LINK.LOG -  :   L > If it gets annoying enough, we fix it by creating a stub command file thatD > just has a "$ run run:abc_link" in it, and then change the startupG > command file to specify that file for /input, and loginout.exe as the I > image to run.  This creates a TMP:ABC_LINK.LOG that we can read without  > stopping the program.   / In the run/detached, DCL does NOT get involved. 3 It is just the job controler and the image playing.   ) DCL log files allow readers, as you show. 8 Furthermore they can FLUSH every 'timeout' seconds (30).  E > The down-side of this method is that it seems to require (since VMS > > V7.2-1) CMKRNL, or the process just vanishes after creation.  > I would have to spend more time than I have now to check that,= but why not just submit a much similar helper as a batch job? < No special privs required, and will allow the read share no?   Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:26:56 -0400 3 From: "news.newshosting.com" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> $ Subject: Re: Hung System RWMBX state< Message-ID: <44991e94$0$18497$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  0 <dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com> wrote in message = news:1150833472.639124.323050@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Mike, A >       Can you access the system from another cluster node using G > sysman???   If you can, you might be able to do something from there. E >  The "VPM" process you mention is probably something to do with the H > monitor utility (i.e. VPM_SERVER sends monitor over TCPIP (I believe))' > and it can probably be safely killed.  >  > Dave >  >  > Farrell, Michael wrote:  >> Help! >>K >> I have one node of my Alpha Cluster with more than half of its processes  >> in RWMBX state. >>A >> We have no active sessions on that system so we cannot get in.  >>K >> The QUEUE MANAGER is running on that system and process QUEMAN is one of J >> those in RWMBX state.  So we can't determine the state of the 273 batchJ >> jobs running on that system and the 13 running on the ES47 that is also >> in the cluster. >>I >> Is there any way of saving this system without crashing and rebooting?  >>E >> Its an ES45 running VMS 7.3-2.  All systems in the cluster are VMS 	 >> 7.3-2.  >>G >> To my knowledge the system is patched with all patches up to but not & >> included those now being announced. >>3 >> Does anyone have any idea if this can be helped?  >> >> TIA >> >> Mike Farrell  > E This link may contain information to help you jump into OpenVMS docs.   = http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/openvms_notes_RWAST.htm   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:51:51 -0400 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> $ Subject: RE: Hung System RWMBX stateL Message-ID: <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D02CC6C5E@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM>  F When we tried to log in, it logged us in, in the sense that it clearlyE accepted your userid and password, gave the welcome message but never  got to a DCL prompt. =20  ? No we did not try the /NOCOMMAND switch, but SYLOGIN and my own 9 LOGIN.COM are not opening mailboxes, at least explicitly.    Mike     -----Original Message-----8 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca]=20$ Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:04 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: Hung System RWMBX state   "Farrell, Michael" wrote: D > We could not do that because there were no mailboxes available for > logging in.=20  F Can you elaborate on exactly what would happen if you tried to login ?$ How far into the login would it go ?  G Did you try /NOCOMMAND in the login to bypass the sylogin and login.com A ? (if those are where some mailbox was involved due to some local * commands, you could have still logged in).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:38:45 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>, Subject: Re: Open VMS OS recovery on Itanium* Message-ID: <9I6mg.2788$DI2.2308@trnddc05>   Bob Koehler wrote:h > In article <FYDkg.2009$dA1.1419@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: > I >>But most users will never have to deal with that. Upon delivery, a new  D >>Integrity box with OpenVMS already has the correct console serial : >>input/output devices set up, and it auto-boots into the J >>factory-installed OpenVMS software, which acts just like the FIS you've ; >>been used to on Alpha, or like the Alpha installation CD.  >  > I >    I've never been one of those users.  I'm the kind of guy who editted I >    DEBOO.CMD on his 11/780 to insert a small VAX program that had to be C >    loaded in HEX because DEC's memory controller didn't recognise " >    National Semiconductor's RAM. >   H Really?  We had some NS RAM on our 780, I don't recall any problems withF it.  Maybe they fixed the bug in hardware, or maybe later versions of G VMS were more forgiving.  (I think it was fairly late in the 780's life G when we got the National Semi RAM.  I think we also had some DATARAM in G it.  Originally, we had had 512K (Double the minimum!) and after a year F or two added a mix of DEC and 3rd party RAM to increase (in stages) toG 2 or 3MB.  Then we replaced the memory system with one that allowed for H 1MB cards and eventually had 16 of them.  (Or maybe it was 4 4MB cards?)  E I remember one variety of 1/4MB card had 1 card with a full MB on it, D and 3 dummy cards to trick the memory controller into thinking there: was 256KB in each of 4 slots.  Was that the National Semi?  B I also remember a huge performance boost when we got that 1st Meg.  C (P.S.  Last Christmas, I walked out of the local Apple store with 3 ? ipod nanos and a Mac Mini, approx 13GB, in one arm.  The "free" @ printer was the big item :-) :-) :-)  Don't know how much memoryA was in the printer...  And that's RAM - it doesn't count the 60GB  hard drive in the Mini...)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 08:15:15 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Open VMS OS recovery on Itanium3 Message-ID: <chKdYfD2ZkvQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <9I6mg.2788$DI2.2308@trnddc05>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:  > J > Really?  We had some NS RAM on our 780, I don't recall any problems withH > it.  Maybe they fixed the bug in hardware, or maybe later versions of I > VMS were more forgiving.  (I think it was fairly late in the 780's life I > when we got the National Semi RAM.  I think we also had some DATARAM in I > it.  Originally, we had had 512K (Double the minimum!) and after a year H > or two added a mix of DEC and 3rd party RAM to increase (in stages) toI > 2 or 3MB.  Then we replaced the memory system with one that allowed for J > 1MB cards and eventually had 16 of them.  (Or maybe it was 4 4MB cards?) > G > I remember one variety of 1/4MB card had 1 card with a full MB on it, F > and 3 dummy cards to trick the memory controller into thinking there< > was 256KB in each of 4 slots.  Was that the National Semi?  J    It wasn't VMS that had a problem with the NS RAM, it was the RAM sizingF    program in the memory controller ROM.  Later memory controllers and>    later NS RAM boards may have learned to talk to each other.  E    It wasn't that late in the 11/780 life when we added the NS RAM, I B    think it was just after the 11/750 was announced and before the
    11/730.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:53:18 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...6 Message-ID: <4498dece$0$27941$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>  & Dave Froble wrote on 21-6-2006 4:39...  K > If my memory is working at all, I seem to remember that the Kelvin scale  D > is absolute.  The temperature you're thinking about would be zero A > degrees Kelvin.  What's called 'absolute zero', no heat at all.   E According to research done by Messrs. A. Dante and R. Bradbury, zero  I Kelvin is not enough to freeze hell. Bradbury's estimate of -451 Kelvin,     has never been disproved.    /Wilm    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:17:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude..., Message-ID: <4498F28E.8986007B@teksavvy.com>   Wilm Boerhout wrote:F > According to research done by Messrs. A. Dante and R. Bradbury, zeroJ > Kelvin is not enough to freeze hell. Bradbury's estimate of -451 Kelvin, >   has never been disproved.   F Sorry, but even at -449F, (or whatever this is in real degrees), I canF garantee you that Hell won't be operating. In fact, nothing in Redmond: would be operating and the world would be much better off.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 01:07:09 -0700$ From: "Wilm" <w5.boerhout@planet.nl>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...B Message-ID: <1150877229.842605.86570@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei schreef:   H > Sorry, but even at -449F, (or whatever this is in real degrees), I canH > garantee you that Hell won't be operating. In fact, nothing in Redmond< > would be operating and the world would be much better off.  G Trust me. I've been there. The road to hell is paved with good itanics.    /Wilm    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:39:47 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...) Message-ID: <e7b453$22b$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   O In article <op.tbg2u1vjzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: / >On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:56:07 -0700, JF Mezei   & ><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > d >> http://news.com.com/Chip+breaks+speed+record+in+deep+freeze/2100-1006_3-6085568.html?tag=nefd.top >> >>F >> IBM and Georgia tech have built a chip that runs at 350 Ghz. And byI >> dipping in in liquid helium at near 0 kelvin, they were able to boost  >> its speed to nearly 500 Ghz.  >>? >> Makes my all mighty MV II look rather pale in comparison :-)  >>J >> So, when will Intel's IA64 thing reach 350 Ghz speeds ? :-) ;-) :-) ;-) >> :-) :-) :-) :-) >>4 >When hell freezes over, which BTW, happens at -451K  J Since absolute zero is 0K (-273.15 C) do particles vibrate in an imaginary, direction between 0K and -451K in hell ?  :)  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex university     >>C >> Out of curiosity, since they use crystals to generate the timing H >> signals, is there a phsyical limit on how fast a clock can be made to
 >> oscilate ?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:57:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude..., Message-ID: <4499180B.88967B16@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: 6 > >When hell freezes over, which BTW, happens at -451K > L > Since absolute zero is 0K (-273.15 C) do particles vibrate in an imaginary. > direction between 0K and -451K in hell ?  :)  < Yes they do. It becomes anti-vibration. And if a particle inG anti-vibration comes in contact with a particle with vibration, then it D isn't a question of hell freezing over, but rather all hell breakingC loose. (just like when anti-matter comes into contact with matter).   @ Which makes me think that "they" should have sent Palmer over toF Microsoft. Perhaps he could have singlehandlely annihilated  MicrosoftH with his anti-leadership that would have collided with Gate's leadership and destroyed Microsoft.   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:00:25 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...- Message-ID: <Kpbmg.2$id4.193@news.uswest.net>      # Gates was too smart to hire Palmer.   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4499180B.88967B16@teksavvy.com...! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: 8 > > >When hell freezes over, which BTW, happens at -451K > > D > > Since absolute zero is 0K (-273.15 C) do particles vibrate in an	 imaginary 0 > > direction between 0K and -451K in hell ?  :) > > > Yes they do. It becomes anti-vibration. And if a particle inI > anti-vibration comes in contact with a particle with vibration, then it F > isn't a question of hell freezing over, but rather all hell breakingE > loose. (just like when anti-matter comes into contact with matter).  > B > Which makes me think that "they" should have sent Palmer over toH > Microsoft. Perhaps he could have singlehandlely annihilated  MicrosoftJ > with his anti-leadership that would have collided with Gate's leadership > and destroyed Microsoft. >  > :-)  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:04:43 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...- Message-ID: <Ltbmg.35$oA2.95@news.oracle.com>   \ In article <44986EEF.970216A9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > A >Out of curiosity, since they use crystals to generate the timing F >signals, is there a phsyical limit on how fast a clock can be made to >oscilate ?   @ I assume you mean "crystal", rather than "clock", and yes, there are physical limits.  C This is a bit off-topic, but the question of clock oscillators does ; come up from time to time concerning system clock accuracy.   C Up to the 10s or low 100s of MHz, you can run a crystal in harmonic C mode: this is something like getting an overtone out of a vibrating  string or bell.   C When you get into the hundreds of MHz or higher, there are two easy @ options.  One is to run the crystal (internal to the oscillator)> at a lower frequency and run it through a frequency multiplier= until you get to the desired frequency.  This also multiplies > the frequency varience and noise, but it's usually good enough? for many applications.  (You won't see this inside your system, < by the way, the whole thing is usually in a single package.)  E The other is to run some sort of oscillator at the desired frequency, B run the output through a frequency divider chain to get it down toB some more manageable frequency, and phase lock it to an oscillatorE at that lower frequency.  When done well this is probably more stable D than the first approach.  But all of this does depend on the quality of the implementation.  ? For a test like this, IBM may well have used some other kind of B frequency standard, or a commercial freqency generator, to be ableF to verify the clock frequency.  If I were doing it, I'd use a variableB frequency generator so I could ramp up the clock frequency and seeE how high I could get it and still have the device under test work and " pass some sort of diagnostic test.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:08:10 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...2 Message-ID: <epcmg.2133$u_5.1545@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: c > http://news.com.com/Chip+breaks+speed+record+in+deep+freeze/2100-1006_3-6085568.html?tag=nefd.top  >  > E > IBM and Georgia tech have built a chip that runs at 350 Ghz. And by H > dipping in in liquid helium at near 0 kelvin, they were able to boost > its speed to nearly 500 Ghz. >   G I noticed that they didn't say what kind of chip.  I doubt it was some  9 Power CPU, right?  What was it?  Some silly JK flip-flop?   B Making a "simple" chip run at 350Ghz isn't like making a Power or  Itanium run at 350Ghz.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:38:11 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...2 Message-ID: <e7blkj$kh9$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  4 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message , news:epcmg.2133$u_5.1545@news.cpqcorp.net...  [ > I noticed that they didn't say what kind of chip.  I doubt it was some Power CPU, right?  ( > What was it?  Some silly JK flip-flop?  = Georgia Tech. ( http://www.gatech.edu/  claim 'a transistor'.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:17:08 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...9 Message-ID: <_sCdnaF3ALdp8gTZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@libcom.com>    John Reagan wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: e >> http://news.com.com/Chip+breaks+speed+record+in+deep+freeze/2100-1006_3-6085568.html?tag=nefd.top   >> >> >>F >> IBM and Georgia tech have built a chip that runs at 350 Ghz. And byI >> dipping in in liquid helium at near 0 kelvin, they were able to boost  >> its speed to nearly 500 Ghz.  >> > I > I noticed that they didn't say what kind of chip.  I doubt it was some  ; > Power CPU, right?  What was it?  Some silly JK flip-flop?  > D > Making a "simple" chip run at 350Ghz isn't like making a Power or  > Itanium run at 350Ghz. >   H I think the key here is that IBM continues to do basic research.  Every 1 now and then a gem will fall out of such efforts.   I It's not worth getting into what a bunch of dumb ass idiots have done to  8 what was at one time some rather decent research by DEC.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:31:49 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...: Message-ID: <Y9idnbvu8MQVHwTZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@bresnan.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: Q > In article <op.tbg2u1vjzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  > 0 >>On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:56:07 -0700, JF Mezei  ' >><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >> >>d >>>http://news.com.com/Chip+breaks+speed+record+in+deep+freeze/2100-1006_3-6085568.html?tag=nefd.top >>>  >>> F >>>IBM and Georgia tech have built a chip that runs at 350 Ghz. And byI >>>dipping in in liquid helium at near 0 kelvin, they were able to boost  >>>its speed to nearly 500 Ghz.  >>> ? >>>Makes my all mighty MV II look rather pale in comparison :-)  >>> J >>>So, when will Intel's IA64 thing reach 350 Ghz speeds ? :-) ;-) :-) ;-) >>>:-) :-) :-) :-) >>>  >>5 >>When hell freezes over, which BTW, happens at -451K  >  > L > Since absolute zero is 0K (-273.15 C) do particles vibrate in an imaginary. > direction between 0K and -451K in hell ?  :) >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex university >  >  > C >>>Out of curiosity, since they use crystals to generate the timing H >>>signals, is there a phsyical limit on how fast a clock can be made to
 >>>oscilate ?  >>0 http://www.sciencetheatre.org/ask_st/012992.html  I "Temperature is a physical quantity which gives us an idea of how hot or  H cold an object is. The temperature of an object depends on how fast the I atoms and molecules which make up the object can shake, or oscillate. As  F an object is cooled, the oscillations of its atoms and molecules slow C down. For example, as water cools, the slowing oscillations of the  H molecules allow the water to freeze into ice. In all materials, a point I is eventually reached at which all oscillations are the slowest they can  G possibly be. The temperature which corresponds to this point is called  I absolute zero. Note that the oscillations never come to a complete stop,   even at absolute zero."        --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Jun 2006 06:05:35 -0700 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.1C Message-ID: <1150895134.944490.201170@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   . We would like to announce txt2pdf 9.1 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script B that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf $ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf @ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,E Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can  find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   What's new in this version@ In pagelayout feature we have added support for TwoPageLeft thatE display the pages two at a time, with odd-numbered pages on the left, D TwoPageRight (this feature wil set PDF version 1.5) that display the9 pages two at a time, with odd-numbered pages on the right    Test txt2pdf 9.1! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.343 ************************