1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 120       Contents: F$PARSE  Re: F$PARSE  Re: F$PARSE  Home > Browse Topics > Software # Re: Home > Browse Topics > Software # Re: Home > Browse Topics > Software H Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc?H Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc?% Re: Itanium still not on alpha level! % Re: Itanium still not on alpha level!  Re: NFS issues on VMS 7.3-1 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure! A Re: Psycho mrtravel cramming more jerk off sessions into his days $ Re: Quantum DLT7000 with VMS V7.3-1?$ Re: Quantum DLT7000 with VMS V7.3-1? READ /SYMBOL ???? . Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA. Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA. Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA, Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-), Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-)( Re: Security holiday over for Mac users!( Re: Security holiday over for Mac users!( Re: Security holiday over for Mac users!( Re: Security holiday over for Mac users!. Re: Spinning down DSSI disks when not in use ?, Re: Version 8.2 and CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARY, Re: Version 8.2 and CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARY  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 00:13:27 -0800  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au  Subject: F$PARSEC Message-ID: <1141200807.379334.177820@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Group,   F I am trying to use f$parse, f$element and f$locate together - with out
 much success.     What is wrong with the following  
 $src_txt="one ) $ src_name=F$PARSE(F$EXTRACT(0,F$LOCATE(" ' ",src_txt),src_txt))),,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY") G %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command syntax    Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:52:12 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: F$PARSE) Message-ID: <du3nbs$j3o$1@news.BelWue.DE>   e In article <1141200807.379334.177820@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes: 
 >Hi Group, > G >I am trying to use f$parse, f$element and f$locate together - with out  >much success. > ! >What is wrong with the following  >  >$src_txt="one               ^ #               Here the " is missing   * >$ src_name=F$PARSE(F$EXTRACT(0,F$LOCATE("+                                           ^ B                                           Is this line-break real?G In DCL you have to indicate that the line will be continued with a "-".   ( >",src_txt),src_txt))),,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY")                     ^ 6                     remove two brackets and two commas   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:07:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: F$PARSE, Message-ID: <44056433.A1995C39@teksavvy.com>    stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: > $src_txt="one + > $ src_name=F$PARSE(F$EXTRACT(0,F$LOCATE(" ) > ",src_txt),src_txt))),,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY")      $src_txt="one"V $src_name = F$PARSE(  F$EXTRACT(0, F$LOCATE(" ",src_txt) ,src_text) ,,,,"SYNTAX_ONLY")  : You need to make sure to properly balance the parentheses.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:47:43 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Home > Browse Topics > Software3 Message-ID: <+rkkmF8Q$PFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   P http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,97032,00.html   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 14:33:42 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Home > Browse Topics > Software+ Message-ID: <46lpm5Fbl1qlU3@individual.net>   3 In article <+rkkmF8Q$PFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > R > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,97032,00.html  . What was the point of this?  It's dated 2004!!   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 08:16:38 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> , Subject: Re: Home > Browse Topics > SoftwareB Message-ID: <1141229798.645023.81410@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <+rkkmF8Q$PFx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > T > > http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,97032,00.html > 0 > What was the point of this?  It's dated 2004!! >   E It's got a quote from Terry Shannon.  :-(  I remember when this first > came out  It was one of several that Drew Robb did for various
 magazines.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:01:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Q Subject: Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? , Message-ID: <440562D8.E6DE02EC@teksavvy.com>   An additional comment/warning:  H I just spent hours trying to debug and de-javascript a bank's "comments"H page so I could send a comment about how I am unable to send comments toN them (as well as the original comments about bad UI design in their new ATMs).    H That "send us comments" page has 120 html errors, and god only knows how many javascript ones.   D The comment forms is fairly simple withh a number of hidden fields.   F So while I am submitting them the same fields as their fancy web page,@ they keep refusing it. My guess is that they may be checking theG refering page and if it isn't from their domain, they may automatically 
 refuse it.  C So it isn't a given that making copies of javasccipt and html error F laden pages and turning them into simple html compliant ones will work2 because the servers at the other end may block it.    G BTW, i signed up with paypal last week to make a paymenty for something C on EBAY. I had to call paypall twice. Seems they have bugs in their E system and accessing the payments stuff via the obvious menus doesn't F work you need to access it from a different page. (pressing PAY on theH obvious page would simply bring that page up over and over again without any error message).   F We're talking about financial institutions here. If their HTML code isH that buggy, isn't that an indication that their quality assurance is wayG down and similar terrible quality would also be tolerated in their core  banking systems ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:45:44 -0800 ) From: Michael Vilain <vilain@spamcop.net> Q Subject: Re: How to copy the top level of a website to get rid of Javascript etc? C Message-ID: <vilain-A22F7C.03454401032006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>   , In article <440562D8.E6DE02EC@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:     > An additional comment/warning: > J > I just spent hours trying to debug and de-javascript a bank's "comments"J > page so I could send a comment about how I am unable to send comments toP > them (as well as the original comments about bad UI design in their new ATMs). >  > J > That "send us comments" page has 120 html errors, and god only knows how > many javascript ones.  > F > The comment forms is fairly simple withh a number of hidden fields.  > H > So while I am submitting them the same fields as their fancy web page,B > they keep refusing it. My guess is that they may be checking theI > refering page and if it isn't from their domain, they may automatically  > refuse it. > E > So it isn't a given that making copies of javasccipt and html error H > laden pages and turning them into simple html compliant ones will work4 > because the servers at the other end may block it. >  > I > BTW, i signed up with paypal last week to make a paymenty for something E > on EBAY. I had to call paypall twice. Seems they have bugs in their G > system and accessing the payments stuff via the obvious menus doesn't H > work you need to access it from a different page. (pressing PAY on theJ > obvious page would simply bring that page up over and over again without > any error message).  > H > We're talking about financial institutions here. If their HTML code isJ > that buggy, isn't that an indication that their quality assurance is wayI > down and similar terrible quality would also be tolerated in their core  > banking systems ?   I I think you should drop your computer into a block of cement.  You'll be  H a lot happier and less bitchy.  And you won't be posting such pointless # whiney flames.  We'll all win then.    --  6 DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:18:50 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: Itanium still not on alpha level!3 Message-ID: <00fb01c63d00$63d42660$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  
 Andrew wrote:  >>> C Your top500 example is actually a good illustration of how far back C Alpha has slipped. ASCI-Q the highest placed Alpha system uses 8192 F processors to get a RMAX  score of 13880. The highest placed commodityH based Itanium system uses 4096 CPU's to get a RMAX score of 19940 or putG another way the Itanium CPU's are delivering over double the throughput B compared with Alpha. Now you could argue that the Alphas arn't theE fastest available which would be true but then the Itanium processors E used in Thunder are 1.4 Ghz 4MB cache units not the faster 1.6Ghz 9MB  cache units. <<<   E If you did have a little look at the specs., then you could see, that A this is an old technology Alpha with less speedy CPUs and bad I/O > bandwith. If you do compare the I/O bandwith, you will see theD following: SC45 (ASIC-Q) 1.8GB7s, GS80 3.2GB/s, GS160 6.4GB/s, GS320F 12.8 GB/s and the new one EV7 GS1280 222GB/s (!!!!). Also the IntaniumH architecture is EPIC. If you have applications, which can't be optimizedC during compilation or uses complex instruction, you will see a much D better performance on the Alpha. If you compare cache, you will see,C that all Alphas with the except of GS1280 will have 16MB cache. The F GS1280 will have only 1.75MB cache, but this one  is 7-way associativeE and function better then a 16MB cache. HP did push Intanium. They did D stop EV79 and kill EV8. What if EV8 would be produced? It had killed	 Intanium.    Best regards R. Wingert   4 P.S. Look at Niagara: RISC/CISC is better then EPIC!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:27:49 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: Itanium still not on alpha level!3 Message-ID: <00fc01c63d01$a4fc5620$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,   Robert Deininger wrote:  >>> ) Rudolf, in this case you are out of date.   ? On small systems, current Itaniums running VMS V8.2-1 (or V8.3) G outperform small Alpha systems like DS15 and DS25 for a wide variety of  workloads.  D It would be hard to find a real application that ran half as fast on Itanium as on Alpha. <<<   F Sorry,  did get this information during the "OpenVMS Technical Update"H days in 11.05. If I made a look at the I/O bandwidth, I did see the veryF poor I/O bandwidth of the entry level systems. The better ArchitectureF will not fix this handicap. Other the midrange systems ES47 (12.3GB/s) and ES89 (24.5GB/s).   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:39:49 +01003 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> $ Subject: Re: NFS issues on VMS 7.3-1, Message-ID: <4405a427$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ' <kyle.barton@asg.com> wrote in message  = news:1141149678.721905.276380@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...  ... . > But on the new machine I get timeout errors:5 > $ ucx mount dnfs1: /HOST="10.17.25.29" /PATH="/dvl" > > %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting _DNFS1:[000000]# > -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeout  >   M Did you check server side? Do you allow NFS client connections from your new  * IP address (new server) on the NFS server?  
 Best, Gorazd     ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:33:25 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>: Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!3 Message-ID: <000201c63d0a$cecf7eb0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  C the buffer overflow problem does still exists within all the TCP/IP F waste (also in OpenVMS). But other then in any *X and WindowsX flavor,E you would not get any additional rights under OpenVMS. Also remember, F the first virus was on BSD!! an UNIX flavor. The most problems (virus,F Trojans ...) which I do see under Windows are also a problem under *X.3 But there are not enough hackers which favorite *X.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:47:16 +0100? From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de> : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!0 Message-ID: <000601c63d1d$81d2f570$05072286@vg2>   Rudolf,   " But remember the DECnet worm, too.   eberhard ----- Original Message -----  ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ' Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:33 AM : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!     > Hello, > E > the buffer overflow problem does still exists within all the TCP/IP H > waste (also in OpenVMS). But other then in any *X and WindowsX flavor,G > you would not get any additional rights under OpenVMS. Also remember, H > the first virus was on BSD!! an UNIX flavor. The most problems (virus,H > Trojans ...) which I do see under Windows are also a problem under *X.5 > But there are not enough hackers which favorite *X.  >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:41:34 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!) Message-ID: <du44pu$r2r$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   V In article <46jadqFbg1fdU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:* >In article <du1qm8$482$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>," >	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:Y >> In article <46j4q2Fbdqb8U4@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>> G >>>Which one system are you talking about?  The only system I have here I >>>that is mono-case is VMS.  Seems like they picked the one that matched G >>>the most systems.  And we won't even take into account the fact that G >>>mixed case adds 26 additional symbols to the set used for passwords.  >>>  >>  K >> Which was countered by the fact that on lots of Unix systems the maximum R >> effective password length was only eight characters (until a few years ago this >> included Solaris).  > K >Yeah, it was for backwards compatability with systems that dated to a time N >when the space used was so expensive that trade-offs had to be made (RememberL >2 digit dates?).  Again, if backwards compatability wasn't needed there wasI >nothing to stop people from changing as far back as Ultrix-11 as in most L >cases Unix came with source.  People did not change it because there was noM >percieved need to change it (if it ain;t broke, don't fix it).  The speed of K >machines made a brute force attack impractical.  Once machines became fast K >enough for a brute force attack to be usable, the length changed.  One can H >always look at the past and say that something we did wasn't very wise,I >but when you look at it with yesterdays eyes instead of todays, the view   >tends to be somewhat different. > O The same reasoning is behind why the characterset used for VMS passwords wasn't G extended until recently (and still hasn't been on VAX). The VMS breakin L detection facilities together with the security of the SYSUAF file mean that1 brute-forcing of passwords hasn't been a problem. L The extension of the VMS password characterset in VMS on Alpha is more to doN with making VMS compatible with organisations' security policies rather than a real security issue.      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    L >By the way, I have to revise that.  My RSTS/E system is also monno-case andJ >I imagine RSX was as well.  I really don't remember if the 4331 or Primos >was.  >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 13:19:50 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <46llbmFbo7n4U1@individual.net>   3 In article <000201c63d0a$cecf7eb0$994614ac@wat153>, + 	"Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  > Hello, > E > the buffer overflow problem does still exists within all the TCP/IP H > waste (also in OpenVMS). But other then in any *X and WindowsX flavor,G > you would not get any additional rights under OpenVMS. Also remember, / > the first virus was on BSD!! an UNIX flavor.    @ I suggest you visit: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872842.html? in order to get the facts straight.  The first virus it appears E was on the Apple.  Followed very shortly my attacks on 360K floppies, C command.com and then .exe files.  Doesn't look much like BSD to me. E This is confirmed by wikipaedia.  Perhaps refering to the Morris Worm D which didn't attack BSD, per se,  at all but was strictly a sendmail attack.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:39:23 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!3 Message-ID: <llSIfdT6fRKe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <46llbmFbo7n4U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  " > This is confirmed by wikipaedia.  0    wikipaedia is a collection, not an authority.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:38:00 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!3 Message-ID: <OhQhBW07f0wP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W  In article <46jadqFbg1fdU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:    ; > Again, if backwards compatability wasn't needed there was J > nothing to stop people from changing as far back as Ultrix-11 as in most > cases Unix came with source.  H    I pefer my OS to come written for me as a commercial product.  I haveC    enough work to do using it.  My customer does not want to pay me A    to write an OS, or to complete an OS, he wants me to use it to *    develop and deploy custom applications.  F    When I first got into UNIX, it didn't come with source.  Not unless2    you paid big bucks for the AT&T source license.  0    That's at the heart of my problems with UNIX:F       1) it was hyped as "open", but early on you couldn't look inside$       	 (Linux has driven that away)E       2) I was told by UNIX experts that all the pieces were there, I %       	 just had to put them together F       	 a.  some of the pieces were not there (but many missing pieces       	    have shown up since) F       	 b.  I don't have time to put them together myself, I want them(       	    to come that way (still true)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 14:23:50 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <46lp3mFbl1qlU1@individual.net>   3 In article <OhQhBW07f0wP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y >  In article <46jadqFbg1fdU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >   < >> Again, if backwards compatability wasn't needed there wasK >> nothing to stop people from changing as far back as Ultrix-11 as in most  >> cases Unix came with source.  > J >    I pefer my OS to come written for me as a commercial product.  I haveE >    enough work to do using it.  My customer does not want to pay me C >    to write an OS, or to complete an OS, he wants me to use it to , >    develop and deploy custom applications.  A And that's fine, that's why RedHat exists to provide that kind of A operation to the Linux community.  But don't mistake that for the B whole computing world.  I see messages here about people modifying? VMS (why else would people need the source listings?).  And, in @ one of my previous lifetimes, my job involved not only modifyingE Unix but also making local modifications to Primos and Univac Exec-8. F So, Unix isn't the only OS that expects/allows for local modification.   > H >    When I first got into UNIX, it didn't come with source.  Not unless4 >    you paid big bucks for the AT&T source license.  J Must have been late in the game.  I don't remember BSd ever coming withoutG it.  Come to think of it, I am pretty sure that if you bought your SYSV H from AT&T prior to the 3Bwhatever days it also came with source.  I haveN never seen HPUX source, but I have source for Ultrix-11 and I think Ultrix-32.I Big bucks is, I guess, a matter of opinion.  Source for Primos and Exec-8 G cost considerably more than for Unix.  I would imagine the listings for E VMS (which aren't actually compilable source) probably cost more than $ the AT&T source license did as well.   > 2 >    That's at the heart of my problems with UNIX:H >       1) it was hyped as "open", but early on you couldn't look inside& >       	 (Linux has driven that away)  H Bullcrap.  BSD source has always been available and was used as teachingF material in lots of schools (beyond Berkeley!)  And it wasn't hyped asF "open" until long after the source was spread throughout the INTERNET.I AT&T never called Unix "open".  Linux was driven by solme mistaken notion L that AT&T had a legal leg to stand on when it tried to stop the free, publicG distribution of the BSD sources.  Those of us involved at that point in J time knew the case had little if any legal merit and was doomed to failure; from the beginning.  Linus didn't save the computing world.   G >       2) I was told by UNIX experts that all the pieces were there, I ' >       	 just had to put them together H >       	 a.  some of the pieces were not there (but many missing pieces! >       	    have shown up since)   E What peices were missing?  Are you saying that 2.9BSD wasn't complete  enough to use?  Version 7?  H >       	 b.  I don't have time to put them together myself, I want them* >       	    to come that way (still true)  K And there were companies out there to do that for you, but that didn't make L it necessarily the norm.  Like I said, I had jobs that invloved my modifying OSes.  And not just Unix.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 14:31:03 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon): Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!+ Message-ID: <46lph7Fbl1qlU2@individual.net>   3 In article <llSIfdT6fRKe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <46llbmFbo7n4U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > # >> This is confirmed by wikipaedia.  > 2 >    wikipaedia is a collection, not an authority.  A So provide the citation that shows a BSD virus prior to the Apple @ virus of 1981.  It may not be authoritative, but when it basicly> says the same thing as other sites it is pretty safe to assume they got it right.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 08:36:30 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!3 Message-ID: <AM47pZhyCgkw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <46lp3mFbl1qlU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  D > whole computing world.  I see messages here about people modifying8 > VMS (why else would people need the source listings?).  C To have access to programming examples in arcane cases that are not @ of sufficiently widespread interest for someone to write a book.  F I believe that is the major reason for people getting source listings.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed,  1 Mar 2006 11:08:29 -0700 (MST) 5 From: Borked Pseudo Mailed <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> J Subject: Re: Psycho mrtravel cramming more jerk off sessions into his days@ Message-ID: <801cfccec7a8b01d441cc64c91376abe@pseudo.borked.net>  R Unemployed troll/netkook/netstalker/psychopath/pedophile Michael Voight "mrtravel"K continues flooding newsgroups 24/7 and continues to be rta's biggest troll:    >Gregory Morrow wrote: > " >> <Suppedisne@hotmail.com> wrote: >>   >>  
 >>>Sam wrote:  >>> ; >>>>On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:15:24 GMT, Gregory Morrow wrote:  >>>>* >>>><SNIP> (409 lines of crossposted crud) >>>>/ >>>>>Wow!  Some pretty freeky stuff there...!!!  >>>>1 >>>>FFS how hard is it to trim before responding? I >>>>How hard is it not to xpost to newsgroups that have not the slightest  >>>>interest in this crap? >>>> >>>>Fkn trolls!! >>>> >>> G >>>That's because Gregory Morrow is the FAQ poster. He posts the FAQ as F >>>Nomen Nescio, then replies with the same old one-liner; "Wow!  Some# >>>pretty freeky stuff there...!!!"  >>   >>   >>  M >> Nope...I've nothing to do with the JF FAQ, don't need no steenkin' FAQ for I >> Mezei, I've endured his idiocy for many years now in rec.travel.air...  >>   > ? >Then why do you repost the whole think and add that one liner?   ? Let's see.  He posts on average about one message every 3 days. H You just finished posting *25 troll posts* in a space of ***two hours***D in the middle of the night.  A time when most normal married men areM in bed with their wives.  But then, there's nothing normal about you, psycho!   G Didn't you say you were going to China this week to pick up your latest C mail order bride?  How much are Chinese sluts paying these days for  green cards?   Usenet Public Message    The "mrtravel" psycho:  B - is a 47 year old unemployed loser, alcoholic, drug addict/dealerB - has been trolling usenet and flooding newsgroups for TWO DECADES@ - has been harassing and stalking usenet posters for TWO DECADESF - is a known criminal, in trouble with the law since he was a teenagerH - has no life outside usenet, is online trolling/harassing/stalking 24/7F - is such a loser he often responds to posts within one or two minutes8 - is a known liar and bullshitter, lies about everythingG - was fired by Cisco in early 2005 for doing all of the above from work  - likes to make death threats 0 - is a known pedophile and child sexual predatorJ - is a known importer of Russian whores looking for fast cheap green cards  B If you are one of his victims, report him to Scotts Valley police:  ! Michael D. Voight, aka "mrtravel"  111 Bean Creek Rd, No. 118 Scotts Valley,  CA  95066-4148 (831) 438-2485   Scotts Valley PD One Civic Center Drive Scotts Valley, CA 95066  (831) 440-5670   Police Chief Steve Lind + s l i n d @ s c o t t s v a l l e y . o r g    http://www.scottsvalleypd.com   % Also contact the Scotts Valley mayor:    Paul Marigonda' m a r i g o n d @ p a c b e l l . n e t   " About the "mrtravel" psycho - FAQ F http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/f207022ace08c90c   More info on the psycho K http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.travel.cruises/msg/25a7ed8ad9d9d920    mrtravel's drug abuse C http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ba.general/msg/f0c64751c93c3e2c    mrtravel's wife left himB http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.air/msg/6828ed1eb3843662   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:01:09 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>- Subject: Re: Quantum DLT7000 with VMS V7.3-1? 3 Message-ID: <000901c63d0e$ae9d03c0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  H we do have a tape library with a DLT7000 tape drive. It is configured toC answer the following identifier during SCSI bus scan: Model Number: H Compaq TL881, Vendor Ident.: DEC and Product Ident.: TL800 (C) DEC. Hope this helps.    Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:43:04 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: Quantum DLT7000 with VMS V7.3-1? 0 Message-ID: <JsWdndllgKildpjZRVn-pg@comcast.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, > J > we do have a tape library with a DLT7000 tape drive. It is configured toE > answer the following identifier during SCSI bus scan: Model Number: J > Compaq TL881, Vendor Ident.: DEC and Product Ident.: TL800 (C) DEC. Hope
 > this helps.  >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >   J Thanks for the reply. It's a standalone desktop tape drive, not a library.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:20:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: READ /SYMBOL ????, Message-ID: <44058355.32DE8223@teksavvy.com>  < WRITE has had /SYMBOL to allow the writing of large symbols.  H What restrictions does READ have with regards to reading large records ?  G Seems to be a limit of near 256 bytes. (Am trying to read raw data from  DECNET fed by the web server).  F Why is there not a READ/SYMBOL to allow the reading of large records ?    C HELP READ doesn't seem to specify any limits. HELP WRITE mentions a < default limit of 1024, expandable to 2048 when using /SYMBOL   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 10:00:01 -0500 . From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)7 Subject: Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA , Message-ID: <2Mk64nGkKT4A@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  ) "Kaushal" <etheticgame@gmail.com> writes:   I >           I had find all the datastructures from the header files(.h).I I > had compiled all the c files and link it using map option, so did i get H > some information of structure addresses from the map file. Now  i dontE > know how to find the address of the structure and structure members % > using sda. please guide me for that   L As has been mentioned before, please use all internal HP resources availableL to you before posting in a public forum.  If you aren't aware of the various8 resources, please contact me at the below email address.   --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:16:28 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA 0 Message-ID: <00A520BA.D0492612@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <2Mk64nGkKT4A@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  >  > * >"Kaushal" <etheticgame@gmail.com> writes: > J >>           I had find all the datastructures from the header files(.h).IJ >> had compiled all the c files and link it using map option, so did i getI >> some information of structure addresses from the map file. Now  i dont F >> know how to find the address of the structure and structure members& >> using sda. please guide me for that > M >As has been mentioned before, please use all internal HP resources available M >to you before posting in a public forum.  If you aren't aware of the various 9 >resources, please contact me at the below email address.    Translation:  J Use the web based, user hostile, non-VMS-system accessible ITRC instead ofJ comp.os.vms.  You'll help to bolster the coffers of the starving Billzebub# & Co. and insure the demise of VMS.   J Sorry Rob but what is wrong with him asking questions of this nature here?I This has been the forum for VMS questions for a lot longer than that ITRC I thing and nobody here contracts hogwarts like they would using ITRC.  The J postings here are archived and searchable with google and other net search engines.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 12:44:10 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: Regarding finding memory address using SDA 3 Message-ID: <nsBIS3vICK$f@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A520BA.D0492612@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: _ > In article <2Mk64nGkKT4A@cuebid.zko.hp.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:  >> >>+ >>"Kaushal" <etheticgame@gmail.com> writes:  >>K >>>           I had find all the datastructures from the header files(.h).I K >>> had compiled all the c files and link it using map option, so did i get J >>> some information of structure addresses from the map file. Now  i dontG >>> know how to find the address of the structure and structure members ' >>> using sda. please guide me for that  >>N >>As has been mentioned before, please use all internal HP resources availableN >>to you before posting in a public forum.  If you aren't aware of the various: >>resources, please contact me at the below email address. >  > Translation: > L > Use the web based, user hostile, non-VMS-system accessible ITRC instead ofL > comp.os.vms.  You'll help to bolster the coffers of the starving Billzebub% > & Co. and insure the demise of VMS.   ) No, Brian.  I believe the translation is:   > 	"If you don't understand VMS, ask questions on internal Notes? 	 conferences or anything else you can find.  That way you will ; 	 not embarrass your employer in public with your naivete."    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:42:47 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) 3 Message-ID: <vvavJreGYs5F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   -  In article <4404CB74.A1408A24@teksavvy.com>, 6        JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:L >> Why don't they manufacture and sell SUV's?  Refridgerators?  Light bulbs?I >> The people at the top are given the task of deciding the direction the L >> company will take.  Just because their vision doesn't match yours (ours?) >> doesn't mean their wrong.   >  > D > They have a legal duty to the shareholders of maximising return on
 > investment.    3    Says who?  The lawyers who support greenmailing?   G    Who decides whether the maximum return is via short term bottom line 9    or long term strategy requiring short term investment?    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:22:38 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) B Message-ID: <1141226558.313410.51940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:M > Wait, is that a black helicopter I hear?  No, just a passing garbage truck. J > Sorry, no conspiracy theories.  I doubt Bill Gates gives a rats patootie5 > about VMS.  Assuming he even knows it still exists.     C oh, he knows it exists ... that is why he hired Cutler and tried to  steal it for NT ...    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Mar 2006 07:49:45 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: Security holiday over for Mac users! 3 Message-ID: <Ef9ztRSN256L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <mk8Nf.9159$XE6.7616@trnddc07>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 >> Well, as my one contribution to this thread.... >>  H >> It has been pointed out that in order for this virus to work you haveH >> to type the root password into a prompt popup.  People here have beenH >> amazed at readily Mac users will do this.  We have one Mac using profH >> here.  I mentioned this to him (mostly as a warning) and was informed; >> that the Mac prompts for the root password all the time.  >  > You were mis-informed. >   H    I have a problem with a brwoser that prompt for it on a regular basisG    and I keep saying NO.  Everything works anyhow.  I suppose I'll have 4    to go back now and figure out which bowser it is.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:57:28 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)1 Subject: Re: Security holiday over for Mac users! ; Message-ID: <1hbj8fh.11mqgb4on3666N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>   + Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote:   / > Wonderfully erudite and amusing sig.  Thanks.  >   2 You are free to use it - I've stolen it myself :-), (though the original said Intel machines...)   --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:57:28 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)1 Subject: Re: Security holiday over for Mac users! < Message-ID: <1hbj88x.11b9qxg1xmi199N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>  < Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  O > In article <mk8Nf.9159$XE6.7616@trnddc07>, John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 > >> Well, as my one contribution to this thread.... > >>  J > >> It has been pointed out that in order for this virus to work you haveJ > >> to type the root password into a prompt popup.  People here have beenJ > >> amazed at readily Mac users will do this.  We have one Mac using profJ > >> here.  I mentioned this to him (mostly as a warning) and was informed= > >> that the Mac prompts for the root password all the time.  > >  > > You were mis-informed. > >  > J >    I have a problem with a brwoser that prompt for it on a regular basisI >    and I keep saying NO.  Everything works anyhow.  I suppose I'll have 6 >    to go back now and figure out which bowser it is.  F Safari can be notorious about asking for the *keychain* password (readG the dialog box next time), which unlocks your keychain but doesn't give  you sudo priviliges.  F For most people it's the same password, but the function is different.   --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:02:44 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)1 Subject: Re: Security holiday over for Mac users! < Message-ID: <1hbj8l5.1kb6uy21j0brxoN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>  ! <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:   > > In article <1hbgr6x.1w2kievq0yxnyN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>, B > andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) writes: > > To the OP (bob): > > L > > The article does not mention OpenVMS, so what is this thread doing here.L > > I have never seen any claim that OS X would be more secure than OpenVMS. > F > Then you haven't been following the "What's more secure ? OpenVMS orL > OpenBSD ?"  thread started by the user as400 in which he rated MAC OS-X asB > more secure than OpenBSD and asked about how secure OpenVMS was.  A You are completely right - I haven't been following that thread.  ' As I said below I didn't look too hard.    /A.    > see  > B > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/a4af83e8b036328a  > F > and later said that he thought MAC OS-X was more secure than OpenVMS > B > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/3e9df4ef9f3d3c20   K > > I guess I didn't look too hard as I don't find the comparison relevant.    --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:49:30 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>7 Subject: Re: Spinning down DSSI disks when not in use ? + Message-ID: <46m1kqFbrcj7U1@individual.net>    H Vlems wrote:  , > (it's mardigras here so bear that in mind) >  LOL.  8 A fellow sufferer, but it's over now until next year :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:33:23 +02007 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> 5 Subject: Re: Version 8.2 and CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARY , Message-ID: <44059496$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message+ news:801Nf.3804$1D1.678@news.cpqcorp.net... = > In article <120939lkvashlb3@corp.supernews.com>, "Hal Kuff"  <kuff@tessco.com> writes: J > :The version 8.2 release notes make note of the CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARYK > :function requiring CMEXEC ... is this 8.2 only, was it there in previous L > :versions...?  Does not seem to have been put in just for 8.2 and then set to > :disapear in a new version?  > E >   CREATE/MAILBOX is new in V8.2, if that's your question.  I do not F >   believe that it was intentional to require CMEXEC for the command,  C intentional?.....yes and no.....CREATE/MAILBOX lives in CREATE.EXE. D When activating CREATE.EXE in user mode, we need to assign a channelF to the temproary mailbox created to make sure it will not go away whenE CREATE.EXE is being run down...we assign a channel in EXEC mode hence B the CMEXEC requirements.  If we'll see enough demand for it, we'llH move the code into DCL.EXE which runs in supervisor mode and never being& run down until the process terminates.  = >   however.  See below (from V8.2-1) for related statements:  >  >  > CREATE >  >   /MAILBOX > . >        Valid for Alpha and I64 systems only. > H >        Creates a virtual mailbox named MBAn and assigns an I/O channel: >        number to it. The /MAILBOX qualifier is required. > , >                                       NOTE > 2 >           The following privileges are required: > G >           o  TMPMBX (temporary mailbox) to create a temporary mailbox % >              (which is the default)  > F >           o  CMEXEC (change mode to executive) to create a temporaryH >              mailbox (which is the default). Note: This requirement isA >              temporary and will be removed in a future release.  > G >           o  PRMMBX (permanent mailbox) to create a permanent mailbox / >              (using the /PERMANENT qualifier)  > G >           o  SYSNAM (system logical name) to place a logical name for 9 >              a mailbox in the system logical name table  > H >           o  GRPNAM (group logical name) to place a logical name for a6 >              mailbox in the group logical name table > = >        To delete a mailbox, use the DELETE/MAILBOX command.  > ...  >  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 4 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- I >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:50:19 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk5 Subject: Re: Version 8.2 and CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARY ) Message-ID: <du45ab$r2r$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   U In article <120939lkvashlb3@corp.supernews.com>, "Hal Kuff" <kuff@tessco.com> writes: I >The version 8.2 release notes make note of the CREATE/MAILBOX/TEMPORARY  J >function requiring CMEXEC ... is this 8.2 only, was it there in previous N >versions...?  Does not seem to have been put in just for 8.2 and then set to  >disapear in a new version?  >   Help on VMS 8.2 on Alpha says :-   $ h create/mailbox   CREATE  
   /MAILBOX  ,        Valid for Alpha and I64 systems only.  F        Creates a virtual mailbox named MBAn and assigns an I/O channel8        number to it. The /MAILBOX qualifier is required.  *                                       NOTE  0           The following privileges are required:  E           o  TMPMBX (temporary mailbox) to create a temporary mailbox #              (which is the default)   D           o  CMEXEC (change mode to executive) to create a temporaryF              mailbox (which is the default). Note: This requirement is?              temporary and will be removed in a future release.       C So it looks like the requirement will disappear in a later release.   7 On my VMS 7.3-1 systems it doesn't look like DCL had a     CREATE/MAILBOX command  9 So it either came in ,on Alpha, with VMS 7.3-2 or VMS 8.2   
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