1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 03 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 123       Contents:; Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions ; Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions  Re: File transfer to PC , Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-)/ Re: Should Supervisor mode require privileges ? / Re: Should Supervisor mode require privileges ?  Re: Special MARCH 06 Deal 0 Sun says solaris, hpux have something in common!/ Re: VAXman@TMESIS.COM : Is someone Spoofing you  VMS is relatively rare Re: VMS is relatively rare& WTB LK201 WPS plus keyboard or overlay* Re: WTB LK201 WPS plus keyboard or overlay  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:23:35 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> D Subject: Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions( Message-ID: <ops5tflljtzgicya@hyrrokkin>  8 On 3 Mar 2006 00:45:20 GMT, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  $ > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:; >> On 1 Mar 2006 20:35:35 GMT, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  > K >> It seems to me to be less noisy than PWS or XP1000, but it does get hot,  >> but so do XP1000. > K > Really?  In that case, I probably shouldn't worry about how much noise it H > makes.  The 6 18GB 10,000RPM SCA SCSI drives hooked up to my PWS 433auJ > (which would be hooked up to the DS10L) are quite a bit noisier than the< > PWS.  So it sounds like the only concern would be heat[1]. > % > I could really use a speed upgrade.  > C >> > I got one, then I could turn my PWS 433au back into a nice VMS  >> > Workstation.  > & >> The switch settings on your 433 are >> 433     0101 1001 >> To change >> 500     0111 1001 >> 600     0010 1001 > I > I'm afraid I don't follow this one.  I'm looking to turn the 433au from L > VMS Server back into a Workstation.  Basically putting an internal HD in   > it, L > along with a Video card, and digging out a VMS compatible keyboard (I've   > got  > all the stuff laying around).   K You mentioned speed,  What I gave you were the MB dip switch settings for    turning  the 433au into 600au > J > [1] An interesting note on the topic of heat.  Just before Christmas I   > setup H > a DEC VAXstation 4000/vlc with a BA350, and some RZ29-VA's as a DECnetI > router sitting under my desk.  When I did this we were having very cold K > weather, but as soon as the weather warmed up some, I started having some J > fairly serious heat issues with the dual 2Ghz PowerMac G5 sitting on theL > desk right above all of that equipement.  As soon as I moved the VAX and   > the J > BA350 to a different location, the heat problems with the Mac went away. > 	 > 			Zane  >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 00:45:20 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com D Subject: Re: ds10l typical power consumption, and any other opinions+ Message-ID: <du83j00pva@enews3.newsguy.com>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:: > On 1 Mar 2006 20:35:35 GMT, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  J > It seems to me to be less noisy than PWS or XP1000, but it does get hot, > but so do XP1000.   I Really?  In that case, I probably shouldn't worry about how much noise it F makes.  The 6 18GB 10,000RPM SCA SCSI drives hooked up to my PWS 433auH (which would be hooked up to the DS10L) are quite a bit noisier than the: PWS.  So it sounds like the only concern would be heat[1].  # I could really use a speed upgrade.   D > > I got one, then I could turn my PWS 433au back into a nice VMS   > > Workstation.  % > The switch settings on your 433 are  > 433     0101 1001  > To change  > 500     0111 1001  > 600     0010 1001   G I'm afraid I don't follow this one.  I'm looking to turn the 433au from L VMS Server back into a Workstation.  Basically putting an internal HD in it,L along with a Video card, and digging out a VMS compatible keyboard (I've got all the stuff laying around).   L [1] An interesting note on the topic of heat.  Just before Christmas I setupF a DEC VAXstation 4000/vlc with a BA350, and some RZ29-VA's as a DECnetG router sitting under my desk.  When I did this we were having very cold I weather, but as soon as the weather warmed up some, I started having some H fairly serious heat issues with the dual 2Ghz PowerMac G5 sitting on theL desk right above all of that equipement.  As soon as I moved the VAX and theH BA350 to a different location, the heat problems with the Mac went away.   			Zane    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:50:12 -0500- From: "Jim Agnew" <brainwavesurfer@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: File transfer to PCI Message-ID: <a184d6630603021350y71638661g59d98733fdfde67a@mail.gmail.com>   ( ------=_Part_5018_31542581.1141336212691, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   L I often use Kermit or FTP, transferring zip files that I've uuencoded in on= e I big chunk.  have yet to have that combo fail, or have the saveset fail to  unzip back out ...  
 Jim Agnew.  4 however, if someone breaks that, please lemme know!!  6 On 3/2/06, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote: > = > From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  > 0 > >   [...]  Using ZIP features often allows the' > >    original to be recovered.  [...]  > C >    Wnen you find a case which fails, be sure to let someone know.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  >   ( ------=_Part_5018_31542581.1141336212691+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   L I often use Kermit or FTP, transferring zip files that I've uuencoded in on=L e big chunk.&nbsp; have yet to have that combo fail, or have the saveset fa=L il to unzip back out ...<br><br>Jim Agnew.&nbsp; <br><br>however, if someon=" e breaks that, please lemme know!!L <br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/2/06, <b class=3D"gmail_sende=L rname">Steven M. Schweda</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sms@antinode.org">sms@an=L tinode.org</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=L border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; paddi= ng-left: 1ex;"> L From: <a href=3D"mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org">koehler@ei=L sner.nospam.encompasserve.org</a> (Bob Koehler)<br><br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; [..=K ]&nbsp;&nbsp;Using ZIP features often allows the<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= 0 &nbsp;original to be recovered.&nbsp;&nbsp;[...]L <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Wnen you find a case which fails, be sure to let someo=L ne know.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------=L -------------<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Steven M. Schweda&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=L &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (+1) 651-699-9=L 818<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 382 South Warwick Street&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; L sms@antinode-org<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Saint Paul&nbsp;&nbsp;MN&nbsp;&nbsp;55105-= 2547<br></blockquote></div><br>   * ------=_Part_5018_31542581.1141336212691--   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 20:50:04 -0800 C From: "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" <alexdaniels@themail.co.uk> 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) C Message-ID: <1141361404.604453.323350@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:46kdmiFb9062U1@individual.net... + >  I doubt Bill Gates gives a rats patootie 5 > about VMS.  Assuming he even knows it still exists.   G He does know it exists, here are a few of his more public references to  it.   C http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/industry&tech/uexpo.asp A http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2004/03-29Gartner.asp B http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2005/10-13Waterloo.asp   Alex   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 14:51:27 -0600  From: gleason@encompasserve.org 8 Subject: Re: Should Supervisor mode require privileges ?3 Message-ID: <ELfrHP6oieta@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <IM-dneZB1vgIb5vZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > J > The chief evil in making it easy to get into supervisor mode is that we H > would have a Unix-like situation where anyone can write his own shell I > and nearly everyone did!  None of them, of course, compatible with any  J > other shell.  sh, csh, ksh, bash, tcsh, zsh, pfcsh, pfksh, jsh, etc, ad 
 > ad nauseum.   D   I agree, that sort of Tower of Babel would be a mess. But, non-DECB CLIs (shells, as the UNIX types call 'em), were not unknown. Heck,@ I recall that DEC educational Services had a course available on* how to do it, albeit a very long time ago.   -- Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants  lgleason@houston.rr.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:19:35 -0500/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Should Supervisor mode require privileges ?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10603021819x4dcc9e09p37cce4527a3fa838@mail.gmail.com>   = On 3/2/06, Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote: L > > In DCL, an unprivileged user can act in supervisor mode (OPEN and CLOSE= , 8 > > defining logicals, and defining global symbols etc). > > J > > Is there a logical/security reason why an application needs to go into? > > CMEXEC in order to then call something in supervisor mode ?  > > J > > What vulnerabilities would appear if unprivileged images could specifyK > > supervisor mode in system calls without having to call CMEXEC or having  > > special privileges ? > I > The chief evil in making it easy to get into supervisor mode is that we G > would have a Unix-like situation where anyone can write his own shell H > and nearly everyone did!  None of them, of course, compatible with anyI > other shell.  sh, csh, ksh, bash, tcsh, zsh, pfcsh, pfksh, jsh, etc, ad 
 > ad nauseum.  >   4 Isn't there one called "sheesh"?  There ought to be.   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 22:15:43 -0800  From: shofu_au@yahoo.com.au " Subject: Re: Special MARCH 06 DealA Message-ID: <1141366543.522317.9230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Nigel,   L > I too got one of the cheap DS10Ls from david for my home use. It's a greatR > little machine & fantastic value, It's amazing the difference in price between aN > DS10 & a DS10L (at least 10 to 1). I have often thought that there must be aR > market for kits to upgrade the latter to the former. AFAIK all you would need is( > a case, power supply & PCI riser card.  C Not that I have seen a DS10L - but does their mother board fit in a : DS10 case or are they acompletely a different form factor?  D I see the DS10L EV67 617 Mhz going on ebay considerably less then my dream of a DS10 EV67 617Mhz.  + I wonder - whether that would a way to go?     Thanks   Mark   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 18:54:43 -0800  From: bob@instantwhip.com 9 Subject: Sun says solaris, hpux have something in common! C Message-ID: <1141354482.972965.313060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    They are both garbage ...   E why would HP want to merge with garbage solaris when they decided not , to do it with a better alternative tru64 ...  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30017    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:00:37 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 Subject: Re: VAXman@TMESIS.COM : Is someone Spoofing you0 Message-ID: <00A5218A.257F1098@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <C02C3429.1C481%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes:  >  > J >I have been getting emails, apparently from you that have attached Virus. >Is someone Spoofing you?   H Yeah, I'm sending out viruses to all of the people foolish enough to use a PeeCee. :)  D Seriously though, no.  I have better things to do with my bandwidth.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:58:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: VMS is relatively rare , Message-ID: <44076A74.81B6B5D8@teksavvy.com>  \ > http://news.com.com/Oracle+to+expand+Itanium+support/2100-1012_3-6044983.html?tag=nefd.top  ? Article about the web cast. It is focused on Oracle porting its   ebusiness applications to HP-UX.  - And article then has this wonderful sentence:    ##F It's not all bad news for Itanium, though. The chip runs not just HP's> version of Unix, called HP-UX, but also Windows, Linux and twoA relatively rare HP operating systems, OpenVMS and NonStop Kernel.  ##    H Yesterday, I saw an ad for that web cast on Yahoo, so I knew it wouldn't; be about VMS since VMS never gets advertised in mainstream.   $ Did anyone listen to that web cast ?  G (And since Windows will not longer be fully supported on IA64 with only F a limited set of apps, one wonders why Windows should be listed before( the rare operating systems VMS and NSK).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:20:24 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: VMS is relatively rare 0 Message-ID: <00A521BF.33A44EC7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <44076A74.81B6B5D8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > ] >> http://news.com.com/Oracle+to+expand+Itanium+support/2100-1012_3-6044983.html?tag=nefd.top  > @ >Article about the web cast. It is focused on Oracle porting its! >ebusiness applications to HP-UX.  > . >And article then has this wonderful sentence: >  >## G >It's not all bad news for Itanium, though. The chip runs not just HP's ? >version of Unix, called HP-UX, but also Windows, Linux and two B >relatively rare HP operating systems, OpenVMS and NonStop Kernel. >##  >  > I >Yesterday, I saw an ad for that web cast on Yahoo, so I knew it wouldn't < >be about VMS since VMS never gets advertised in mainstream. > % >Did anyone listen to that web cast ?  > H >(And since Windows will not longer be fully supported on IA64 with onlyG >a limited set of apps, one wonders why Windows should be listed before ) >the rare operating systems VMS and NSK).     H Shouldn't Weendoze be considered the rare operating system?  I've always4 thought of VMS as the well-done operating system. :)   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 20:03:23 -0800  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net/ Subject: WTB LK201 WPS plus keyboard or overlay B Message-ID: <1141358603.116326.51370@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   Hello D Somebody might have a LK201 WPS keyboard laying around or even a WPS mini  ' reference that they would like to sell.  thanks phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:12:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: WTB LK201 WPS plus keyboard or overlay , Message-ID: <4407C20D.7EF7D42F@teksavvy.com>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: F > Somebody might have a LK201 WPS keyboard laying around or even a WPS/ > mini  reference that they would like to sell.   H Guilty as charged. However, if I converted it to english keys, you wouldG miss out the WPS mnemonics on a couple of keys. But the mnemonics I had A are in english. (they were special keyboards based on english WPS ? keysets, but with 6 keycaps changed to have french characters.)   G Do you have a working LK201 ? Perhaps we could simply exchange keycaps, * this way, I wouldn't be out of a keyboard.  H You can contact me off line at jfmezei  with domain vaxination period caA  make sure you specify your location (montreal canada here) since ( shipping might make this very expensive)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.123 ************************