1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 03 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 124       Contents:- 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-2 1 Re: 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-2 1 Re: 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-2 ! A nice enhancement to SHOW SYSTEM % Re: A nice enhancement to SHOW SYSTEM 6 Adding a new DLT drive to a VMS server running OVMS6.2: Re: Adding a new DLT drive to a VMS server running OVMS6.2 Re: AMD blew it big time! 1 Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500??? 5 Re: Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500??? 5 Re: Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500???   Re: COPY / FTP and error message  Re: COPY / FTP and error message  Re: COPY / FTP and error message  Re: COPY / FTP and error message Re: File transfer to PC  Re: For OpenVMS Pascal amateurs  Re: For OpenVMS Pascal amateurs  help with print/page Re: help with print/page Re: help with print/page Re: help with print/page Re: help with print/page Re: help with print/page Re: help with print/page8 RE: If VMS had been alowed into the low ends markets....8 Re: If VMS had been alowed into the low ends markets.... Re: is this a DECTERM ?  March 06 DS10L Specials 1 Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!  Re: READ /SYMBOL ????  Re: Special MARCH 06 Deal ( Suggestion: SET FILE/ATTRIB=FDL=filename, Re: Suggestion: SET FILE/ATTRIB=FDL=filename Re: VMS is relatively rare Re: VMS is relatively rare  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 07:38:33 -0800 ' From: "jseaton" <jaredseaton@gmail.com> 6 Subject: 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-2C Message-ID: <1141400313.512706.279930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   E We have 2 DS20 Alpha's running VMS 7.3-2.  We have installed a second G CPU on one of the systems and it is working fine.  When we attempted to D install a second CPU on the other alpha the system would boot up andF recognize the CPU up to the 3 prompt level (not sure exactly what thisE is called), but then when it attempted to join the cluster it crashed ? with a bugcheck.  When there is only one CPU it will boot fine.   < Any suggestions of what may be causing this would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:00:16 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: Re: 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-22 Message-ID: <Qu%Nf.4019$ot3.1173@news.cpqcorp.net>  m In article <1141400313.512706.279930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, "jseaton" <jaredseaton@gmail.com> writes: B :We have 2 DS20 Alpha's running VMS 7.3-2...  When we attempted toE :install a second CPU on the other alpha the system would boot up and G :recognize the CPU up to the 3 prompt level (not sure exactly what this 
 :is called),    5   Probably the triple-angle -- SRM console -- prompt. '   There are other names for the prompt.   : :but then when it attempted to join the cluster it crashed@ :with a bugcheck.  When there is only one CPU it will boot fine.  A   Details on the particular bugcheck would be useful -- there are ?   many possible bugchecks, and the footprint from the crash can @   be quite useful.  (Depending on the crash and on how far alongA   it occurs in the bootstrap, you may need to enable the restart  ;   and you may need to pull the module to get access to the     crashdump itself.)  :   Are all the AlphaServer DS20 series CPUs the same speed?  @   Is the new processor known to function?  Bad hardware can most;   certainly cause any of various system crashes, of course.   ?   If you are not current on ECOs for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, and  =   on the installed the SRM console firmware version, I would  >   start with that effort.  (That tends to eliminate the known =   and fixed errors as a trigger, leaving the new or the weird 3   or the rare or the hardware-specific failures...)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:21:41 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net : Subject: Re: 2nd CPU crash on ds20 Alpha running VMS 7.3-2& Message-ID: <VO%Nf.27$Cc3.23@trnddc08>  $ Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:o > In article <1141400313.512706.279930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, "jseaton" <jaredseaton@gmail.com> writes: D > :We have 2 DS20 Alpha's running VMS 7.3-2...  When we attempted toG > :install a second CPU on the other alpha the system would boot up and I > :recognize the CPU up to the 3 prompt level (not sure exactly what this  > :is called),    7 >   Probably the triple-angle -- SRM console -- prompt. ) >   There are other names for the prompt.   < > :but then when it attempted to join the cluster it crashedB > :with a bugcheck.  When there is only one CPU it will boot fine.  C >   Details on the particular bugcheck would be useful -- there are A >   many possible bugchecks, and the footprint from the crash can B >   be quite useful.  (Depending on the crash and on how far alongC >   it occurs in the bootstrap, you may need to enable the restart  = >   and you may need to pull the module to get access to the   >   crashdump itself.)  < >   Are all the AlphaServer DS20 series CPUs the same speed?  : Check to make sure the CPUs are the same revision as well.  B >   Is the new processor known to function?  Bad hardware can most= >   certainly cause any of various system crashes, of course.   ? That's certainly what I'd check first.  Remove the original CPU ? and move the new CPU to that slot and try booting just with the ? new CPU.  If that works, put the original CPU in the second CPU  slot and try to boot.   A >   If you are not current on ECOs for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, and  ? >   on the installed the SRM console firmware version, I would  @ >   start with that effort.  (That tends to eliminate the known ? >   and fixed errors as a trigger, leaving the new or the weird 5 >   or the rare or the hardware-specific failures...)   < I'd add a warning to update the firmware without the new CPU? installed as you don't want a crash during the firmware update.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 06:21:03 -0800 3 From: "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> * Subject: A nice enhancement to SHOW SYSTEMC Message-ID: <1141395663.707692.199510@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>   E I notice Guy is often mooting improvements to us in this list, so let  me moot one back.   E How about enlarging the field sizes in SHOW SYSTEM. Look what I get..    MON1->sho sys /proc=*eir* B OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node MON1   3-MAR-2006 15:06:57.83  Uptime  630 04:40:37F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Pages F 2060066D PDS_P0005_EIR   LEF      9*********   0 18:22:37.97      5556  2458 F 2060066E PDS_P0007_EIRI  LEF      4  2671179   0 00:00:00.23       336   259  MON1->  G The I/O figure is too big to fit in the current display!  A nice, quick D and easy way I like to use, to see what's going on in a system is to; run show sys occasionally and watch how the numbers change.   $ But ********* doesn't change at all!  A I guess this layout was designed way back in the 70's when it was F inconceivable that anybody would do a gig of I/O without rebooting theC system (or, indeed that a system would stay up for 630 days without D needing a reboot). But that's the way things are now. Would it be an@ easy job to change this?  Or maybe some means of customising the display in the command?    - John   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:10:55 +02007 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> . Subject: Re: A nice enhancement to SHOW SYSTEM* Message-ID: <440886b2@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  > "Big John" <john.powers@airwidesolutions.com> wrote in message= news:1141395663.707692.199510@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... G > I notice Guy is often mooting improvements to us in this list, so let  > me moot one back.  > G > How about enlarging the field sizes in SHOW SYSTEM. Look what I get..  >  > MON1->sho sys /proc=*eir* D > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node MON1   3-MAR-2006 15:06:57.83  Uptime  630
 > 04:40:37H >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts > Pages H > 2060066D PDS_P0005_EIR   LEF      9*********   0 18:22:37.97      5556 >  2458 H > 2060066E PDS_P0007_EIRI  LEF      4  2671179   0 00:00:00.23       336 >   259  > MON1-> > I > The I/O figure is too big to fit in the current display!  A nice, quick F > and easy way I like to use, to see what's going on in a system is to= > run show sys occasionally and watch how the numbers change.  > & > But ********* doesn't change at all! > C > I guess this layout was designed way back in the 70's when it was H > inconceivable that anybody would do a gig of I/O without rebooting theE > system (or, indeed that a system would stay up for 630 days without F > needing a reboot). But that's the way things are now. Would it be anB > easy job to change this?  Or maybe some means of customising the > display in the command?   E The greatest challenge in this type of enhancements is avoid breaking G compatibility with prior releases. Many people parse the output of SHOW E SYSTEM, and it may break existing procedures. Another concern is that H increasing the width of the field will result in the display not fitting intoC 80 characters wide terminals. Personally, I always work at 132 mode , but again this is something we can't ignore.  < how about adding a new qualifier /WIDTH and several keywords/ allowing overriding some defaults, for example:   $ $ SHOW SYSTEM/WIDTH=(IO=10,PAGES=10)  
 What say you?    Guy    >  > - John >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 03:17:47 -0800 & From: "mikeyw" <mike.whorley@coda.com>? Subject: Adding a new DLT drive to a VMS server running OVMS6.2 B Message-ID: <1141384667.225873.52860@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Guys,   C A long time ago I added one of the early produced DLT drives to our G Alpha 4000 cluster connicting it via a scsi cable. On reboot the server $ running OVMS 6.2 recognised it as :-   MW_MAR >sh dev mk/full  D Magtape $2$MKB600: (TOPPER), device type QUANTUM DLT7000, is online, record- D     oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled,
 controller/     supports compaction (compaction  disabled).   <     Error count                  146    Operations completed  334647 1     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC  [SYSTEM]0     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W ;     Reference count                0    Default buffer size      512 .     Density                  unknown    Format	 Normal-11 $     Allocation class               2  ;   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape,  write-locked, odd p.  G However the drive has become faulty and I now wish to add a new more up  to date DLT drive.   My question is :-   C How will such and old version of OVMS (6.2) recognise a device with D technology that wasn't around when it was written. Can an up to dateA device drive be downloaded and applied to the O/S ?...if so how ?   E Assuming I connect the new device and it is still seen as MKB600 will F it just inherit the old device driver and therefore not be able to use7 the up to date features on this more recent DLT drive ?    Thanks in anticipation,  Mike.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:42:26 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)C Subject: Re: Adding a new DLT drive to a VMS server running OVMS6.2 ) Message-ID: <du9dji$sq0$1@news.BelWue.DE>   k In article <1141384667.225873.52860@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "mikeyw" <mike.whorley@coda.com> writes:  >Guys, > D >A long time ago I added one of the early produced DLT drives to ourH >Alpha 4000 cluster connicting it via a scsi cable. On reboot the server% >running OVMS 6.2 recognised it as :-  >  >MW_MAR >sh dev mk/full  > E >Magtape $2$MKB600: (TOPPER), device type QUANTUM DLT7000, is online,  >record-E >    oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled,  >controller 0 >    supports compaction (compaction  disabled). [...]   D >How will such and old version of OVMS (6.2) recognise a device withE >technology that wasn't around when it was written. Can an up to date B >device drive be downloaded and applied to the O/S ?...if so how ?  L Nowadays devices use LVD-SCSI. Your system will have Ultra-SCSI or somethingM around that which is different. On the other hand a LVD-SCSI-device should be F capable of adjusting itself to single-ended mode, either via a jumper,+ automatically or some other means of setup.   F >Assuming I connect the new device and it is still seen as MKB600 willG >it just inherit the old device driver and therefore not be able to use 8 >the up to date features on this more recent DLT drive ?  O As for the newer features - it depends. You will benefit from a higher capacity M and faster writing speed but not from a higher transfer speed. To achieve the 3 latter you will need a more modern SCSI controller.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 09:17:19 -0800 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> " Subject: Re: AMD blew it big time!A Message-ID: <1141406239.800700.4290@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote:  J > No, Andrew:  that may be what *you* want to discuss (since you're faringI > so poorly in the current context), but what *I* am discussing (and what J > you have been at least purportedly responding to) is very precisely yourI > estimate of EV8's performance vs. EV7's.  The fact that your attempt to H > address the topic of EV8's ability to compete with Opteron was equally@ > incompetent didn't happen to be a rat-hole I cared to go down. >   F You are welcome to your opinion Bill but simply re-iterating that I amE apparently an idiot isn't really convincing, in fact it sounds like a  whistle in the wind.  G So lets examine your claims of incompetence with respect to Opteron/EV8 E competition. Your best case for EV8 performance vs EV7 is 5x, I think D we can safely ignore your attempts to hike EV8 to 2.5 Ghz just a bitC beyond its origional design goal. Opteron currently delivers 4x the  throughput of EV7.  F Now as I have pointed out for EV8 to deliver 5x 1Ghz EV7 throughput itA has to average 2.9 instructions per cycle, deliver over 210% more 6 throughput using SMT and then it has to clock at 2Ghz.  D Now lets examine these estimates illuminated by the analysis of PaulC DeMone who unfortunately does not turn out to be the friend you may  have hoped for.   E 1.  IPC, Paul is sceptical that EV8 will average the 2.9 IPC required G to make your sand based pyramid stand. Instead he winds it back to 2.5.   C 2. SMT, Paul also does not think that EV8 will deliver more than 2x & throughput due to SMT he allows for 2.  9 3. Finally clock speed, Paul concludes that the agressive G OO/SMT/Superscalar architecture of EV8 will limit its clock. (Power 5+) F is also clock limited but to a lesser extent. Power5+ does not have asE agressive a branch prediction unit as EV8 would have had, it tries to E issue less instructions per cycle and it has 2 rather than 4 threads.   F Incedentally you were right about Power5 I had not spotted the 2.2 GhzF announcement. It was however pretty much the only example of where you have managed to convince.   D That said lets re-analyse the possible EV8 throughput numbers in the? light of Pauls analysis (you introduced him so don't complain).   G Now guess what even at 2Ghz which is an unlikely target for EV8 to have @ reached today a single EV8 module would only deliver an absoluteG maximum of 4x the throughput of a 1 Ghz EV7. And if EV8 was being built E at 1.5-1.6 Ghz which is more likely then the maximum throughput would  be ~3x-3.2x a 1 Ghz EV7.  D Now as you know EV7 is actually available at 1.3 Ghz and so the bestG case throughput for EV8 relative to EV7 based on Pauls analysis is 2.8x < with the more likely differential being 2.1-2.2x current EV7 throughput.   A Even the bottom end of the range would have been impressive for a B single core particularly for FP, however it would not compete on aE throughput per module basis with Opteron, Power5+ or T1. Nor would it 7 compete on a watts per module basis with Opteron or T1.   E Since the discussion is getting rather boring and very one sided I am B not intending to reply to any additional posts that you might make@ particularly if you fail the politeness to competence ratio test (v-high,v-low0 at the moment   Have a nice day    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:53:17 -0600 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) : Subject: Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500???1 Message-ID: <06030309531710@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   G Can you change the Ethernet Address of the DE500 card from the console?    If not at the O/S level?         John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:14:21 -0500/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500???I Message-ID: <8660a3a10603031014p182e756aod5a017ca41bbc21d@mail.gmail.com>   7 On 3/3/06, BRANDON, JOHN M <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote: I > Can you change the Ethernet Address of the DE500 card from the console?  >  > If not at the O/S level? >  >  >  >  > John "REBOOT" Brandon  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >   B Do you mean the hardware or MAC address, e.g.  00-00-F8-3C-16-D5 ?  F You can make it *appear* to be different, but [theoretically speaking]> unless you've got the stones to try swapping out PROM chips on2 identical devices, you can't change it physically.  : There was a thread about this almost exactly one year ago:  L < http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/5ba9cc947a08=L 358/51a24b0b2e4a68e4?q=3DDECnet+change+hardware+address&rnum=3D3#51a24b0b2e= 4a68e4 >    HTH,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:04:14 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Subject: Re: Can you change the Ethernet Address of a DE500???0 Message-ID: <Oq0Of.4023$Dp3.12@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <06030309531710@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) writes: H :Can you change the Ethernet Address of the DE500 card from the console?  D   The hardware address, AFAIK, no -- well, not short of a PROM swap.A   The hardware address arises from IEEE or other such entity, and D   hardware manufacturers have assigned ranges that are then parceled   out as NICs are built.  A   The physical address, yes -- DECnet Phase IV swaps that when it A   connects and starts, for instance.  The hardware address is the A   initial default value for the physical or MAC address used when    the controller is running.   :If not at the O/S level?   @   The host operating system can swap the physical (MAC) address.A   A given NIC potentially can be listening on multiple addresses, B   too, depending on what broadcast and multicast and such are set.  G   Some details of the problem that you seek to address could be useful.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 07:01:19 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>) Subject: Re: COPY / FTP and error message ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-61dXYCsNdsR7@dave2_os2.home.ours>   = On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:08:12 UTC, shofu_au@yahoo.com.au wrote:    > Hi Group,  >  > The error message I get is > @ > $copy /ftp login.com 10.10.10.99::"username password"login.comD > %FTP-E-HSTINF, Failed to get host information for 10.10.10.99 from' > database -RMS-E-RNF, record not found  > ; > I can ping 10.10.10.99 and ftp to 10.10.10.99 using ftp .  > G > I suppose this is going to be an issue with the UCX version.  This is 
 > an old one.  >  > $ ucx show ver > 8 >   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.10 >   on a VAXstation 4000-90 running OpenVMS V7.1 > F > Are there any logicals I can define to avoid copy /ftp searching the? > host file or is this just a "feature" in this version of UCX?  >  > Thanks >  > Mark >    Shouldn't the cmd be :-   ? $ copy /ftp login.com 10.10.10.99"username password"::login.com   ' note the position of :: node seperator'    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Mar 2006 23:38:42 -0800  From: shofu_au@yahoo.com.au ) Subject: Re: COPY / FTP and error message C Message-ID: <1141371522.723580.286930@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Group,   9 Sorry typo when typing in the command for the news group.   	 I did use   > $copy /ftp login.com 10.10.10.99"username password"::login.com   Thanks   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 05:38:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: COPY / FTP and error message , Message-ID: <44081C85.E1A32243@teksavvy.com>   shofu_au@yahoo.com.au wrote:@ > $copy /ftp login.com 10.10.10.99"username password"::login.com    H Is there a reason why your system managers refuse to give a name to thatD IP address either in their DNS servers of in your local host's hosts4 file ? Seems to me that it would solve your problem.    G Was COPY/FTP available/documented in UCX V4.x ? Is it possible that you @ are getting some latent support for a feature that wasn't really6 officially available yet for your version of UCX/VMS ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:24:15 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ) Subject: Re: COPY / FTP and error message 2 Message-ID: <P4_Nf.4007$wp3.1603@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <1141366092.536302.21000@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, shofu_au@yahoo.com.au writes: :The error message I get is  : ? :$copy /ftp login.com 10.10.10.99::"username password"login.com C :%FTP-E-HSTINF, Failed to get host information for 10.10.10.99 from & :database -RMS-E-RNF, record not found ..F :I suppose this is going to be an issue with the UCX version.  This is :an old one. :  :$ ucx show ver  : 7 :  Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.1 / :  on a VAXstation 4000-90 running OpenVMS V7.1   A   And presently an unsupported configuration, too -- the prefered ?   version for all OpenVMS V7.* releases is a TCP/IP Services V5 B   release.  This ignoring the need for the application of a numberA   of ECOs for V7.1 -- or the V7.1-2 roll-up kit -- or (obviously) )   a more current (and supported) release.   >   If you have to stay in this configuration, and it looks that?   TCP/IP Services V4.1 ECO10 was the last ECO for that release:   A     ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/   ?   See the ECO kit notes at UCXECO_41_10-V1000.txt, at that URL.   E :Are there any logicals I can define to avoid copy /ftp searching the > :host file or is this just a "feature" in this version of UCX?  $   This looks more likle a bug to me.  >   You might be able to get around it by either adding the host>   into the local database or by an ECO to V4.1 or -- of course   -- by an upgrade.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 07:01:21 GMT 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  Subject: Re: File transfer to PC? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-5ldyDULKEJ8E@dave2_os2.home.ours>   @ On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:40:33 UTC, "Mandi" <mandi@rans.com> wrote:  M > I need to file transfer from vms 6.2 to PC and then in the posit direction. N > I use the binary flag in the ftp utility but still there is always mismach..N > With Rms files I have a routine that knows what to do. How do I do that with > other binary files?  >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Mandi    E What are the RMS attributes of the file you're trying unsuccessfully   to move.   Use :-   	$ ANA /rms /header    to find out. --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 00:27:00 -0800  From: denis.fayaud@netspace.mc( Subject: Re: For OpenVMS Pascal amateursC Message-ID: <1141374420.719412.322160@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>    %%% SOCKET INTERFACE %%% Socket_Interface.pas/ {---------------------- PASCAL SOCKET INTERFACE  ---------------------------} [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] ? 	FUNCTION decc$htons(%IMMED  port: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;    [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 0 	FUNCTION decc$socket(%IMMED  Family	: UNSIGNED;& 			     %IMMED  sock_stream: UNSIGNED;8 			     %IMMED  sock_type 	: INTEGER):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;   [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 1 	FUNCTION decc$connect(%IMMED  socket	: UNSIGNED; % 			      %IMMED  sock_addr :UNSIGNED; 5 			      %IMMED  size 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;    [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 1 	FUNCTION decc$bind   (%IMMED  socket	: UNSIGNED; % 			      %IMMED  sock_addr :UNSIGNED; 5 			      %IMMED  size 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;    [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 1 	FUNCTION decc$accept (%IMMED  socket	: UNSIGNED; % 			      %IMMED  sock_addr :UNSIGNED; 5 			      %IMMED  size 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;    [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 1 	FUNCTION decc$listen (%IMMED  socket	: UNSIGNED; 8 			      %IMMED  backlog 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;   [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] - 	FUNCTION decc$send(%IMMED  socket: UNSIGNED; A 			   %REF    message 	: PACKED ARRAY [$l2..$u2:INTEGER] OF CHAR; 6 			   %IMMED  mess_len 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;     [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] - 	FUNCTION decc$recv(%IMMED  socket: UNSIGNED; A 			   %REF    message 	: PACKED ARRAY [$l3..$u4:INTEGER] OF CHAR; 6 			   %IMMED  mess_len 	: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;   [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] A 	FUNCTION decc$close(%IMMED  socket: UNSIGNED):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;    [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] ; 	FUNCTION decc$gethostbyname(%REF local_host : PACKED ARRAY . [$l4..$u5:INTEGER] OF CHAR):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;   [ASYNCHRONOUS,EXTERNAL] 9 	FUNCTION decc$gethostname(%REF local_host : PACKED ARRAY . [$l4..$u5:INTEGER] OF CHAR):UNSIGNED;EXTERNAL;E {-------------------------------------------------------------------}    %%% CLIENT (loop mode)%%%   % [inherit('SYS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$INETDEF',  	 'SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET',A          'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES')]    { LIB$ Routines }   ' PROGRAM TCP_CLIENT_SOCKM(output,input);      TYPE     $WORD=[WORD] -32768..32767;      $BYTE=[BYTE] 0..255;     $UWORD = [WORD] 0..65535;      $DEFTYP = [UNSAFE] INTEGER;       $DEFPTR = [UNSAFE] ^$DEFTYP;  (     nodlin_type  = VARYING [80] OF CHAR;     VAR      stat	: INTEGER:=0;     port	: integer:=0;"     remote_host : SOCKADDRIN$TYPE;     tst_str	: nodlin_type;.     out_buffer	: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] of CHAR;-     in_buffer	: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] of CHAR; .     terminator_mask : ARRAY [1..2] OF INTEGER;     sockfd	: UNSIGNED;     hostadr 	: ^HOSTENT$TYPE;      hostent	: HOSTENT$TYPE;      addlistadd	: ^$DEFPTR;     addlist	: ^$DEFPTR;      AFF		: BOOLEAN:=FALSE;       %INCLUDE 'SOCKET_INTERFACE.PAS'  E {-------------------------------------------------------------------} F FUNCTION get_host_by_name (hostname : PACKED ARRAY [a1..a2:INTEGER] of CHAR):UNSIGNED;     BEGIN3   get_host_by_name:=  decc$gethostbyname(hostname);   END; E {-------------------------------------------------------------------}   FUNCTION send ( sock	: UNSIGNED;< 		message : PACKED ARRAY [a1..a2:INTEGER] of CHAR):UNSIGNED;    BEGIN:   send := decc$send(sock,message+chr(0), SIZE(message)+1);  END; E {-------------------------------------------------------------------}  { MAIN }   BEGIN 
   Writeln;:   WRITELN(' ',chr(27),'[4mPascal TCP$CLIENT Loop Sock Mode (03/06)',chr(27),'[0m');
   Writeln;     WITH remote_host DO     BEGIN1     write('Remote Host Name ? ');readln(tst_str); 5     hostadr :: UNSIGNED := get_host_by_name(tst_str);      hostent := hostadr^;.     SIN$W_FAMILY := hostent.HOST$L_H_ADDRTYPE;.     	addlistadd := hostent.HOST$L_H_ADDR_LIST; 	addlist := addlistadd^;%     SIN$L_ADDR := addlist^::UNSIGNED; 1 	IF aff THEN writeln(SIN$L_ADDR,HEX(SIN$L_ADDR)); 0     write('Remote Port Number ? ');readln(port);"     SIN$W_PORT:= decc$htons(port);5 	IF aff THEN writeln(hex(port),' ', hex(SIN$W_PORT));      SIN$T_ZERO:='    ';     END;   (    write('Message to send <CR=EXIT> :');    WHILE NOT EOF DO 	     BEGIN #      {   create connection socket } D      sockfd := decc$socket(TCPIP$C_AF_INET, INET_PROTYP$C_STREAM,0);  4      {   connect to specified host and port number }7      stat:= decc$connect(sockfd, IADDRESS(remote_host),  SIZE(remote_host));       IF stat = -1 THEN        BEGIN( 	writeln('Failed to connect to server');
 	$exit(stat);         END;   !      {   send message to server }       readln(tst_str); (      IF length(tst_str)=0 THEN $exit(1);$      {	   tst_str:=tst_str+chr(0); }2      IF aff THEN	writeln(TST_STR,length(tst_str));      send(sockfd,tst_str);  $      {   read response from server }2      decc$recv(sockfd,in_buffer, SIZE(in_buffer));      writeln(in_buffer);        {   close socket }       stat:=decc$close(sockfd);      IF stat = -1 THEN       BEGIN )        writeln('Failed to close socket');         $exit(stat); 
       END;*      write('Message to send <CR=EXIT> :');     END; END.   %%% SERVER %%%% [inherit('SYS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$INETDEF',  	 'SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET',A          'SYS$LIBRARY:PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES')]    { LIB$ Routines }   ' PROGRAM TCP_SERVER_SOCKM(output,input);      TYPE     $WORD=[WORD] -32768..32767;      $BYTE=[BYTE] 0..255;     $UWORD = [WORD] 0..65535;      $DEFTYP = [UNSAFE] INTEGER;       $DEFPTR = [UNSAFE] ^$DEFTYP;  (     nodlin_type  = VARYING [80] OF CHAR;     VAR      stat	: INTEGER:=0;     port	: integer:=0;*     sock2_name,cli_adr  : SOCKADDRIN$TYPE;     tst_str	: nodlin_type:='';-     host_name	: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] of CHAR; .     out_buffer	: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] of CHAR;-     in_buffer	: PACKED ARRAY [1..80] of CHAR;      sockfd,sockls: UNSIGNED;     hostadr 	: ^HOSTENT$TYPE;      hostent	: HOSTENT$TYPE;      addlistadd	: ^$DEFPTR;     addlist	: ^$DEFPTR;      index 	: INTEGER;      AFF		: BOOLEAN:=FALSE;     Valid	: BOOLEAN:=TRUE;     cli_len	: UNSIGNED;        %INCLUDE 'SOCKET_INTERFACE.PAS'  E {-------------------------------------------------------------------} F FUNCTION get_host_by_name (hostname : PACKED ARRAY [a1..a2:INTEGER] of CHAR):UNSIGNED;     BEGIN3   get_host_by_name:=  decc$gethostbyname(hostname);   END; E {-------------------------------------------------------------------}   FUNCTION send ( sock	: UNSIGNED;< 		message : PACKED ARRAY [a1..a2:INTEGER] of CHAR):UNSIGNED;    BEGIN:   send := decc$send(sock,message+chr(0), SIZE(message)+1);  END; E {-------------------------------------------------------------------}  { MAIN }   BEGIN 
   Writeln;5   WRITELN(' ',chr(27),'[4mPascal TCP$SERVER Sock Mode  (03/06)',chr(27),'[0m');
   Writeln;-   write('Local Port Number ? ');readln(port);   &   stat := decc$gethostname(host_name);   IF stat = -1 THEN   	writeln('Host Name Not Found');  
   index := 1;   C   WHILE host_name[index] <> '.' DO  { exclude domain name for local  use}    BEGIN&     tst_str:=tst_str+host_name[index];     index:=SUCC(index);     END;   8   IF aff then writeln(stat,' ',tst_str,length(tst_str));     WITH sock2_name DO    BEGIN5     hostadr :: UNSIGNED := get_host_by_name(tst_str);      hostent := hostadr^;.     SIN$W_FAMILY := hostent.HOST$L_H_ADDRTYPE;.     	addlistadd := hostent.HOST$L_H_ADDR_LIST; 	addlist := addlistadd^;%     SIN$L_ADDR := addlist^::UNSIGNED; 1 	IF aff THEN writeln(SIN$L_ADDR,HEX(SIN$L_ADDR)); "     SIN$W_PORT:= decc$htons(port);5 	IF aff THEN writeln(hex(port),' ', hex(SIN$W_PORT));      SIN$T_ZERO:='    ';     END;   !    {   create connection socket } B    sockfd := decc$socket(TCPIP$C_AF_INET, INET_PROTYP$C_STREAM,0);  2    {   connect to specified host and port number }D    stat:= decc$bind(sockfd, IADDRESS(sock2_name), SIZE(sock2_name));      IF stat = -1 THEN       BEGIN         writeln('Bind Error');         $exit(stat); 
       END;      {   listen on sockfd }       stat:=decc$listen(sockfd,5);       While Valid DO 	     BEGIN       cli_len:=SIZE(cli_adr);5      sockls := decc$accept(sockfd, IADDRESS(cli_adr),  IADDRESS(cli_len));       in_buffer:=chr(0); <      stat := decc$recv(sockls,in_buffer, length(in_buffer));  2      IF stat = -1 THEN writeln('Error on Receive')1        ELSE IF stat <> 0 THEN writeln(in_buffer);   >      out_buffer:='Hello from OpenVMS Pascal Socket Server'(0);4      decc$send(sockls,out_buffer, SIZE(out_buffer));     END; END.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 02:30:15 -0800  From: denis.fayaud@netspace.mc( Subject: Re: For OpenVMS Pascal amateursC Message-ID: <1141381815.755015.177720@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>   D Don't forget to close the socket after decc$send in the SERVER code:  >      out_buffer:='Hello from OpenVMS Pascal Socket Server'(0);4      decc$send(sockls,out_buffer, SIZE(out_buffer));      decc$close(sockld);   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 08:06:46 -0800  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net Subject: help with print/page C Message-ID: <1141402006.115005.225820@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   F I'm trying to use the print/page using VMS 7.3-2 with a Jetdirect 300X connected to a= Laserjet 5L. No matter what I do the whole file is printed ie  TAPE0909.LIS;1          3139 I do the following6 AFRICA> print/queue=laserjet5l/pages=(1,1568) tape0909C I divide the file into half, but like I said the whole file prints.  Does the print/page onlyD work with "DEC" specific printers or do I need some type of optional software installed (DCPS). thanks phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:25:47 -0600 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) ! Subject: Re: help with print/page 1 Message-ID: <06030310254787@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    PHILLIP WRITES: H > I'm trying to use the print/page using VMS 7.3-2 with a Jetdirect 300X > connected to a? > Laserjet 5L. No matter what I do the whole file is printed ie  > TAPE0909.LIS;1          3139 > I do the following8 > AFRICA> print/queue=laserjet5l/pages=(1,1568) tape0909E > I divide the file into half, but like I said the whole file prints.  > Does the print/page onlyF > work with "DEC" specific printers or do I need some type of optional > software installed (DCPS). > thanks	 > phillip   , Provide the output of the following command:   $ SHOW QUEUE /FULL laserjet5l        John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:03:02 +0100  From: rejoc <rejoc@FREEfree.fr> ! Subject: Re: help with print/page 4 Message-ID: <440876c8$0$25841$626a54ce@news.free.fr>  " tomarsin2015@comcast.net a crit :H > I'm trying to use the print/page using VMS 7.3-2 with a Jetdirect 300X > connected to a? > Laserjet 5L. No matter what I do the whole file is printed ie  > TAPE0909.LIS;1          3139 > I do the following8 > AFRICA> print/queue=laserjet5l/pages=(1,1568) tape0909, this means print from page 1 to page 1568...  & Is your file bigger than 1568 pages ??  E > I divide the file into half, but like I said the whole file prints. 2 3139 is the file size (in blocks, not in pages...)   > Does the print/page onlyF > work with "DEC" specific printers or do I need some type of optional > software installed (DCPS). > thanks	 > phillip  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:17:39 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com! Subject: Re: help with print/page Q Message-ID: <OFC0D0CE63.982AAF72-ON85257126.005EC036-85257126.005F0003@metso.com>   : rejoc <rejoc@FREEfree.fr> wrote on 03/03/2006 12:03:02 PM:  & > tomarsin2015@comcast.net a =E9crit :H > > I'm trying to use the print/page using VMS 7.3-2 with a Jetdirect 3= 00X  > > connected to aA > > Laserjet 5L. No matter what I do the whole file is printed ie   > > TAPE0909.LIS;1          3139 > > I do the following> > > AFRICA> print/queue=3Dlaserjet5l/pages=3D(1,1568) tape0909. > this means print from page 1 to page 1568... > ( > Is your file bigger than 1568 pages ?? > H > > I divide the file into half, but like I said the whole file prints.=  4 > 3139 is the file size (in blocks, not in pages...) >  > > Does the print/page onlyH > > work with "DEC" specific printers or do I need some type of optiona= l  > > software installed (DCPS).
 > > thanks > > phillip  > >   F What does DIRECTORY/FULL show about attributes.  I have seen the /PAGEH qualifier fail if the <FF> chararacters are not in the file.  (A progra= m H that counts lines per page and does not write the form-feed, for exampl= e,H will make it nigh onto impossible for the print symbiont to count pages= )    =    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 09:28:27 -0800  From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net! Subject: Re: help with print/page C Message-ID: <1141406906.940705.186320@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    Thanks for replies.  AFRICA> sqf laserjet5lA Printer queue LASERJET5l, idle, on AFRICA::"10.120.201.200:9100",  mounted form DEFAULT   <laserjet 5l> 9   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase  /OWNER=[SYSTEM] :   /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------5     103  TAPE0909        SYSTEM         3139  Holding F          Submitted  3-MAR-2006 10:20:28.16 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100C          File: _$2$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSMGR]TAPE0909.LIS;1 /PAGES=(1,1560) F Since VMS is always in blocks is there a way to convert the block size into pages?  thanks phillip    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:47:55 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com! Subject: Re: help with print/page Q Message-ID: <OFF9FA8C07.B5D4AE6A-ON85257126.00616EC5-85257126.0061C577@metso.com>   9 tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote on 03/03/2006 12:28:27 PM:    > Thanks for replies.  > AFRICA> sqf laserjet5lC > Printer queue LASERJET5l, idle, on AFRICA::"10.120.201.200:9100",  > mounted form DEFAULT >   <laserjet 5l> ; >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase  > /OWNER=[SYSTEM] < >   /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) > 6 >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------7 >     103  TAPE0909        SYSTEM         3139  Holding H >          Submitted  3-MAR-2006 10:20:28.16 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100E >          File: _$2$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSMGR]TAPE0909.LIS;1 /PAGES=(1,1560) H > Since VMS is always in blocks is there a way to convert the block size
 > into pages?   H You do not seem to know how many pages are in the file.  The block count0 and the number of pages are as a rule unrelated.  @ Did you try /PAGES=(2,4) to see if you get pages 2,3,and 4 only.  H There may be fewer than 1560 pages in the file, so you may be asking for. the entire file to print without meaning that.   > thanks	 > phillip  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:13:10 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ! Subject: Re: help with print/page 1 Message-ID: <az0Of.4025$Dp3.949@news.cpqcorp.net>   _ In article <06030310254787@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) writes:  :PHILLIP WRITES:9 :> AFRICA> print/queue=laserjet5l/pages=(1,1568) tape0909   C   Pages depend on the format of the particular document being sent, ,   and on what symbiont software is involved.  A   IIRC, /PAGES works based on the formfeeds seen within the data  F   stream within the default symbiont, and there can be "fun" with the D   LP Lines setting (via the sys$lp_lines logical name) and with the B   queue's particular device settings.  The IP print symbionts have+   their own controls in this area, as well.   D   What a human might consider a printed page isn't necessarily what E   the system itself -- and specifically the particular print symbiont    thinks of as a page.  B   I'd tend to install DCPS, as that's often the easiest way -- and?   it is licensed with OpenVMS now, so there's no cost for that.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 07:15:04 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: RE: If VMS had been alowed into the low ends markets.... 3 Message-ID: <WDUmcDXb3GbL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDOEAHHFAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes: >  > I resent that...  @    No offense intended.  Not all old geezers are lonely geezers.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 05:23:51 -0800  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.ukA Subject: Re: If VMS had been alowed into the low ends markets.... C Message-ID: <1141392231.645176.195890@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   D But isn't that a bit like the "why are they writing these things for% TCP/IP and not for DECnet?" argument?   G Routers are written on Linux because it's cheap to develop for.  TCP/IP D was the same which is why DECnet (although superior) lost out to it.  B The argument of 16MB on a MicroVAX II isn't that seductive either,G considering that platform is woefully old and out of date.  The present C systems that ship expect much more memory and typically about 50MB+  allocated to VMS.   D Now running a Citrix client on your phone to talk to your VMS system; might be interesting in a few places that I can think of...    JF Mezei wrote: C > If VMS had been allowed to flourish in every market, think of the H > potential of having VMS run on PDAs and more importantly smart phones. > H > Think about it: VMS has the required attributes to run on smartphones: > I > -Near real-time capability so that the UI and applications can interact ) > with the true real time phone interface  > H > -Ability to scale into small footprint (VMS still runs on a 16meg MVII' > and most PDAs have more memory today)  >  > E > The embedded devices are going either windows or linux, because VMS + > isn't even trying to run in this contest.  > E > VMS could not only be used on smartphones but also routers, amny of  > which are now based on linux.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:53:28 +0100% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>   Subject: Re: is this a DECTERM ?. Message-ID: <du8uje$r32$1@info.service.rug.nl>  < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message =% news:43FAFBF5.63D7C8F@teksavvy.com...  >  > ...  >=20F > Goal: if a connection comes from an X terminal/DECTERM, I want DCL = code@ > to execute various command that set EDIT to spanw/nowait the =
 decwindowsG > TPU editor. If it is a true blue (or orange :-) VT terminal, then I =  just@ > setup my commands to call up the basic character cell TPU/EVE.  # Why only for X terminal or DECTERM? : There are more terminal emulators that support DECwindows.F I frequently use PuTTY from my Windows PC to login on to VMS with SSH.H I have a X-server running on my PC. In such a case you also would prefer  to use the DECwindows interface.G Is the presence of the DECW$DISPLAY logical name not enough to choose =  for a DECwindowsB interface? Both telnet and ssh are able to create an appropriate = DECW$DISPLAY$ logical name at login automatically.H For protocols that do not propagate the display (like SET HOST and SET =
 HOST /LAT)A there is not a good method to define the display for DECwindows =  appropriately.H It is not always a good idea to use SYS$REM_NODE to define the display = in such cases." E.g., a nested SET HOST will fail.   Fred.Zwarts.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:12:41 -0500C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com>   Subject: March 06 DS10L Specials6 Message-ID: <6VYNf.1550$H7.527@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  F We have just brought in the last ofthe l;arge qty of Alphaserver DS10L- 466Mhz systems that we had in stock in the UK  They are now here in the USA.   - Currently they have no memory, disk CDROM etc G We are going to sell these on a first come first serve with no limit on 	 quantiity    Pricing as follows:   " Barebones Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz Dual 10/100 Ethernet Dual On Board IDE Controller On Board Floppy Controller% USB External Interface (not much use)  One open 64Bit/32Bit PCI Slot    Only $170 each  ! order part number DH-71AAA-AA_M06    Or  & Barebones Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz EV6 256MB Memory
 20GB IDE Disk  Dual 10/100 Ethernet Dual On Board IDE Controller On Board Floppy Controller% USB External Interface (not much use)  One open 64Bit/32Bit PCI Slot   	 Only $319   ) Order Part Number DH-71AAA-AA_M256_20_M06     > https://www.icusc.com/NOV21_WEBSTORE.asp?search_fd1=*dh-71aaa*      L ============================================================================ =======   2 Delivery anywhere in the USA (continental USA) $40 Delivery to Canada $60 Delivery to EU: $90  Delivery to Australasia: $140              --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2006 09:26:08 -0800 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> : Subject: Re: Plain truth is that unix/linux is NOT secure!C Message-ID: <1141406768.699034.230910@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:m > In article <43ff6aba$0$78288$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > > 1 > > That point of view does not make sense to me.  > 6 >    It fits perfectly with the argument I was making. >  > >  Once you use featuresL > > that are only present in one Unix dialect, you are have additional costsD > > when you want to move to a new platform, and of course that is aL > > problem.  Yes, *nix is primitive and outdated when you stick to what you- > > can expect to find on many *nix dialects.  > F >    The two mode OS is a primitive and outdated (late 1960's) design.B >    I haven't even heard Andrew claim Solaris has gotten past it. >   G So VMS which essentially has two modes is also primitive and outdated !   D In this case imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and as UNIXD predates VMS and also only has essentailly two modes it would appear that VMS is flattering UNIX.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  > > K > > To me you are making a common error:  Because the solution to a problem L > > is far from perfect, you chose not to use the solution even if it may be > > a big help.  > 1 >    No, I don't have those problems.  I use VMS.  >  > @ > >  In this case the problem is that you want independence fromJ > > hardware and software vendors and because of that you want portability > > of your applications.  > , >    No, I want reliable and secure systems. > H > > Oh. and don't tell me that you do not care about potability, becauseJ > > then each Unix dialect is just and OS of its own right and restrictingC > > your self to what is common to many Unixes does not make sense.  > E >    OK, I'll take "potability" as a typo.  In real life my customers E >    have never ported a single UNIX application.  The last time they 5 >    did a port it was from IBM OS/360 to VAX-11/VMS.  > D >    When porting a UNIX application comes up the standard answer is" >    "that will be too expensive". > C >    Meanwhile our VMS applications march on with no more real life H >    portability issues than the UNIX applications, but with reliability/ >    and security that no UNIX has yet matched.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:25:04 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: READ /SYMBOL ????$ Message-ID: <dua1m0$65e$2@online.de>  < In article <44066056.B4BA6696@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera$ <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > > @ > > WRITE has had /SYMBOL to allow the writing of large symbols. > > L > > What restrictions does READ have with regards to reading large records ? > > K > > Seems to be a limit of near 256 bytes. (Am trying to read raw data from " > > DECNET fed by the web server). > > J > > Why is there not a READ/SYMBOL to allow the reading of large records ? > > G > > HELP READ doesn't seem to specify any limits. HELP WRITE mentions a @ > > default limit of 1024, expandable to 2048 when using /SYMBOL > . > Hate to do this, but what's the VMS version?  B With 7.X (I don't recall now what X was), several DCL limits were 
 increased.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:45:31 +01003 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com> " Subject: Re: Special MARCH 06 Deal* Message-ID: <44081e4d@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ) <shofu_au@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message  ; news:1141366543.522317.9230@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...  > E > Not that I have seen a DS10L - but does their mother board fit in a < > DS10 case or are they acompletely a different form factor? > F > I see the DS10L EV67 617 Mhz going on ebay considerably less then my > dream of a DS10 EV67 617Mhz. > , > I wonder - whether that would a way to go? >   2 DS10L is the same as DS10. Only in 1U form factor.    
 Best, Gorazd     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:23:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Suggestion: SET FILE/ATTRIB=FDL=filename , Message-ID: <4407EEBC.A191991D@teksavvy.com>  B It would be nice to be able to use SET FILE/ATTRIB to set a file's attribute based on a template.  E Since the FDL format exists already, I would thefore suggest that one C should be able to use SET FILE/ATTRIB and have the command read the E attributes from an FDL file (and ignore items that are not applicable  such as allocation).   eg:   ' ANA/RMS/FDL=template.fdl chocolate.cake   A SET FILE chocolate.cake/attr=(rfm:UDF,LRL:32768,RAT=NONE,ORG:IDX)    <play with the file>  - SET FILE CHOCOLATE.CAKE/attr=FDL=TEMPLATE.FDL   : back to the original file with all the orginal attributes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:50:46 +0100 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 5 Subject: Re: Suggestion: SET FILE/ATTRIB=FDL=filename = Message-ID: <44080361$0$67261$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote: D > It would be nice to be able to use SET FILE/ATTRIB to set a file's  > attribute based on a template. > G > Since the FDL format exists already, I would thefore suggest that one E > should be able to use SET FILE/ATTRIB and have the command read the G > attributes from an FDL file (and ignore items that are not applicable  > such as allocation). >  > eg:  > ) > ANA/RMS/FDL=template.fdl chocolate.cake  > C > SET FILE chocolate.cake/attr=(rfm:UDF,LRL:32768,RAT=NONE,ORG:IDX)  >  > <play with the file> > / > SET FILE CHOCOLATE.CAKE/attr=FDL=TEMPLATE.FDL  > < > back to the original file with all the orginal attributes.E I suggest you get the old FILE utility.  It could generate a command  H file that would reset the file attributes to the values of the time the  command file was generated.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:14:25 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch># Subject: Re: VMS is relatively rare + Message-ID: <46qc72FcbpigU1@individual.net>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:^ > In article <44076A74.81B6B5D8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >>] >>>http://news.com.com/Oracle+to+expand+Itanium+support/2100-1012_3-6044983.html?tag=nefd.top  >>A >>Article about the web cast. It is focused on Oracle porting its " >>ebusiness applications to HP-UX. >>/ >>And article then has this wonderful sentence:  >> >>##H >>It's not all bad news for Itanium, though. The chip runs not just HP's@ >>version of Unix, called HP-UX, but also Windows, Linux and twoC >>relatively rare HP operating systems, OpenVMS and NonStop Kernel.  >>## >> >>J >>Yesterday, I saw an ad for that web cast on Yahoo, so I knew it wouldn't= >>be about VMS since VMS never gets advertised in mainstream.  >>& >>Did anyone listen to that web cast ? >>I >>(And since Windows will not longer be fully supported on IA64 with only H >>a limited set of apps, one wonders why Windows should be listed before* >>the rare operating systems VMS and NSK). >  >  > J > Shouldn't Weendoze be considered the rare operating system?  I've always6 > thought of VMS as the well-done operating system. :) >   D OTOH, if in a restaurant I trust the quality of the preparation and : ingredients, I might choose to have a steak rare. In iffy H establishments, the preparation and ingredients may be cheap and nasty, ! so I'd want a steak well done :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:39:50 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG# Subject: Re: VMS is relatively rare 0 Message-ID: <00A5221E.1DF3F5B2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <46qc72FcbpigU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: >  > ! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: _ >> In article <44076A74.81B6B5D8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>   >>> ^ >>>>http://news.com.com/Oracle+to+expand+Itanium+support/2100-1012_3-6044983.html?tag=nefd.top >>> B >>>Article about the web cast. It is focused on Oracle porting its# >>>ebusiness applications to HP-UX.  >>> 0 >>>And article then has this wonderful sentence: >>>  >>>## I >>>It's not all bad news for Itanium, though. The chip runs not just HP's A >>>version of Unix, called HP-UX, but also Windows, Linux and two D >>>relatively rare HP operating systems, OpenVMS and NonStop Kernel. >>>##  >>>  >>> K >>>Yesterday, I saw an ad for that web cast on Yahoo, so I knew it wouldn't > >>>be about VMS since VMS never gets advertised in mainstream. >>> ' >>>Did anyone listen to that web cast ?  >>> J >>>(And since Windows will not longer be fully supported on IA64 with onlyI >>>a limited set of apps, one wonders why Windows should be listed before + >>>the rare operating systems VMS and NSK).  >>   >>   >>  K >> Shouldn't Weendoze be considered the rare operating system?  I've always 7 >> thought of VMS as the well-done operating system. :)  >>   > E >OTOH, if in a restaurant I trust the quality of the preparation and  ; >ingredients, I might choose to have a steak rare. In iffy  I >establishments, the preparation and ingredients may be cheap and nasty,  " >so I'd want a steak well done :-)  8 I prefer my steak, rare; my operating system, well done.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.124 ************************