1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 09 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 135       Contents:P COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation errors)P Re: COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation errP Re: COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation err DECWindows setup - whither XDM? # Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM? # Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM? , Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMS  Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMS F Re: Important OpenVMS update kit needed for AM GUI performance over IP Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering, Re: Loading Alpha-VMS from a VAX served CD ?- Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update - Week of Feb 27 , Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs Re: Press releases from Oracle Re: Press releases from Oracle, Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-), Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) Samba (VMS Roadmap) - Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:52:47 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comY Subject: COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation errors) Q Message-ID: <OF9324CAE6.BAFD4CEC-ON8525712B.007107C4-8525712B.0072B22C@metso.com>   D peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote on 11/18/2005 07:22:27 AM:  E > In article <1132304995.800027.110840@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, $ > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:D > >It's due to temporary mismatch between the dcl command table yourG > >progress was using and the version of the COPY utility your programm 
 > >was using.  > > ) > >(/BLOCK_SIZE is a new COPY qualifier).  > - > Yup, the same was with UPDATE V4 already...  > C > >If you want to check then re-install the patch and it should not  > >install any files.   < Now that UPDATE V6 for V7.3-2 is out, is there a chance this2 /BLOCKSIZE qualifier will fail during that update?  1 Can it be avoided by applying the COPY ECO first?   > Will this be a problem on a cold upgrade (from some version ofF V7.3* before V7.3-2, then PCSI V1, then (COPY V1 [?], then) UPDATE V6, then PCSI V2, for example)?      > + > But what COPY did appearantly fail then ?  >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 13:14:31 -0800  From: george.pagliarulo@hp.comY Subject: Re: COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation err C Message-ID: <1141852471.473629.118470@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ The VMS732_UPDATE-V0600 kit should not experience the persistantC block_size error.  Code has been added to the pre-configuration and E post-installation files to prevent this from happening.   The kit has @ been tested on systems with no other kits installed  (worst caseF scenario for this error) and installed cleanly.  I've learned to never> speak in absolutes so, I think this one is finally put to bed.   George Pagliarulo  OpenVMS Remedial ECO Release   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 07:36:24 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)Y Subject: Re: COPY /BLOCK_SIZE with V732_UPDATE-V0600 (Was Re: UPDATE 5.0 installation err , Message-ID: <440fdaf8$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <T45QrngoxsFD@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:S >In article <OF9324CAE6.BAFD4CEC-ON8525712B.007107C4-8525712B.0072B22C@metso.com>,  ! >  norm.raphael@metso.com writes:  >>  ' >> Now that UPDATE V6 for V7.3-2 is out  > 1 >   I don't see it on ITRC yet, is it in transit?   3 ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:47:29 -0800 ( From: Ian King <iking@killthewabbit.org>( Subject: DECWindows setup - whither XDM?; Message-ID: <440fc1ea$0$56216$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net>   G I have 7.2 installed on my VAX 4000/300 (courtesy of the hobbyist CD),  I and I can get DW objects (such as clock, DECterm) to appear and function  I on an X server (a PC on the network).  But when I look to configure XDM,  I I can't find the directory that supposedly contains all the config files  F and templates (sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm]).  When I run tcpip$config, I E don't see an XDM option under servers (FWIW, I also don't see a DHCP  & client option, which I'd like to use).  B Did I screw up something when I installed TCPIP?  If so, how do I ! recover?  TIA for any help -- Ian    --   It's not junk, it's history!$ iking (@t) kill the wabbit (d.t) org   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:02:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM?, Message-ID: <440FC4E2.9EFB8484@teksavvy.com>  A Oh forgot. If you need 5.3 binaries you can contact me privately. 7 jfmezei and the domain is vaxination[end-of-sentence]ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:00:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM?, Message-ID: <440FC464.9720B15B@teksavvy.com>   Ian King wrote:  > H > I have 7.2 installed on my VAX 4000/300 (courtesy of the hobbyist CD),J > and I can get DW objects (such as clock, DECterm) to appear and functionJ > on an X server (a PC on the network).  But when I look to configure XDM,J > I can't find the directory that supposedly contains all the config files, > and templates (sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm]).     D I believe that XDM came with TCPIP Services 5.3 and the hobbyists CD> with 7.2 came with TCPIP Services 5.0 if I remember correctly.  E DIR SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP*XDM*.EXE should tell you if you have XDM on your  system or not.   $ dir sys$system:tcpip*xdm*.exe    Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]   $ TCPIP$XDM.EXE;1     TCPIP$XDMW.EXE;1    ! and the location of the files is: 4 sys$sysroot:[TCPIP$XDM]  (aka: disk:[sys0.tcpip$xdm]   You can also look at  ) LIB /LIST SYS$LIBRARY:TCPIP$TEMPLATES.TLB  and you should have:
 XDM_CONFIG XDM_KEYS XDM_XACCESS  XDM_XSERVERS   towards the end of the listing.     H Note that XDM on VMS does not support the MIT_COOKIE authentication usedD by many X-terminal software. XDM also has a huige security flaw thatD does not register invalid loggin attempts, so one can use this for aC brite force attempt at guessing a password. (Hey Bob , how come you E don't mention this when you brag about VMS having perfect security ?)   8 To start a decwidnows session, you can do the following:  2 SET DISPLAY/CREATE/EXEC/transport=TCPIP/node=XXXXX MC DECW$SESSION   E When you logout of the decwindwows, you get a login screen back (aka: P instead of the terminal going dead, the system keeps control of the x-terminal).   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 12:42:35 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure C Message-ID: <1141850555.819916.250950@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   F hi I know this sounds weird but .les. doesn't work if you look at help, IF as shown below that's why I changed it...   IF
   Examples        1.$ COUNT = 0          $ LOOP:          $ COUNT = COUNT + 1
             . *          $ IF COUNT .LE. 10 THEN GOTO LOOP          $ EXIT   E here is more, I have run it trying to get it to work up to the ftp... G just to see where it is failing... I tried the ftp once and it seems to D be not passing the name of the file because it creates a file calledE simple_name.txt at the destination. here is the stepping thru part... 6 as you can see it is not passing the dates that I want  C I'm not trying to leave anything out :-)  I'm not sure what else to 
 include...   thanks Paul   $ file = f$search ( "*.*" )  $ write sys$output file 5 $1$DGA200:[EHS.HB.ARCHIVE]BADDEBTGRA_2006-02-10.TXT;1 % $ if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop / $ file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" )  $ write sys$output file_date 10-FEB-2006 06:35:03.94 : $ file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" ) $ write sys$output file_date
 2006-02-10( $ if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. -= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling 
  \START_DATE\ $ $            file_date .le. end_dateF %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  \2006\ ' $ if file_date .ges. 2005-10-01 .and. -  _$ file_date .le. 2005-11-01@ %DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data
 inconsistency D $ if file_date .ges. 2005-10-01 .and. file_date .le. 2005-11-01 then2 $ name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" ) $ write sys$output name  BADDEBTGRA_2006-02-10 1 $ ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" )  $ write sys$output ext .TXT $ any_files = "TRUE" $ write sys$output any_files TRUE $ simple_name = name + ext $ write sys$output simple_name BADDEBTGRA_2006-02-10.TXT  $ dir BADDEBTGRA_2006-02-10.TXT   $ Directory $1$DGA200:[EHS.HB.ARCHIVE]   BADDEBTGRA_2006-02-10.TXT;1    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:04:07 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure + Message-ID: <440F8D17.916C72C2@comcast.net>    "pcoviello@gmail.com" wrote:   O.k. Before we begin:   E Your ARE aware of DIRECTORY/MODIFIED/SINCE=start_date/BEFORE=end_date    ..., right?    Example:  7 $ DIRECTORY/MODIFIED/SINCE=1-MAR-2006/BEFORE=7-MAR-2006   I > Hi David, I double checked and it is correct, see below and the results . > with putting the date in 2 different ways... > 0 > so I'm confused by this :-) I know nothing new > D >  $ if P1 .eqs. "" then Inquire start_date "Please Enter Start Date > dd-mmm-yyyy"? > $ if P2 .eqs. "" then Inquire end_date "Please Enter End Date  > dd-mmm-yyyy"4 > $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )  + This looks like it needs to be conditional:    $ if	p1 .nes. "" $ then2 $	start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" ) $ else: $	Inquire start_date "Please Enter Start Date dd-mmm-yyyy" $ endif   2 > $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" )  	 Likewise.    > $  > $ any_files = "FALSE" 	 > $ loop: # > $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) - > $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 7 > $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) B > $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )0 > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. -$ >            file_date .le. end_date  B Wrong boolean operator. This is a string compare, not an integer.   " DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ a := 2006-03-07" DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$type( a ) STRING   Use ".LES." instead of ".LE.".   > $       then> > $           name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" )= > $           ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" ) & > $           simple_name = name + ext  > $           any_files = "TRUE" >  > results 1:( > $ @phclaimtest 01-oct-2005 01-nov-2005 > $!. > $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format, > $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatC > $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTP 	 > server)  > $!C > $ if P1 .eqs. "" then Inquire start_date "Please Enter Start Date  > dd-mmm-yyyy"? > $ if P2 .eqs. "" then Inquire end_date "Please Enter End Date  > dd-mmm-yyyy"4 > $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )2 > $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" ) >  > $  > $ any_files = "FALSE" 	 > $ loop: # > $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) - > $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 7 > $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) B > $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )0 > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. -$ >            file_date .le. end_date > $       then> > $           name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" )= > $           ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" ) & > $           simple_name = name + ext  > $           any_files = "TRUE" > $  >  > results 2:& > $ @phclaimtest 2005-10-01 2005-11-01  E That date format is invalid. Use Absolute date format as indicated by  the diagnostic, below.   > $!. > $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format, > $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatC > $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTP 	 > server)  > $!C > $ if P1 .eqs. "" then Inquire start_date "Please Enter Start Date  > dd-mmm-yyyy"? > $ if P2 .eqs. "" then Inquire end_date "Please Enter End Date  > dd-mmm-yyyy"4 > $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )E > %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC  > format >  \2005-10-01\ 2 > $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" )E > %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC  > format >  \2005-11-01\  >  > $  > $ any_files = "FALSE" 	 > $ loop: # > $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) - > $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 7 > $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) B > $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )0 > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. -? > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  >  \START_DATE\ $ >            file_date .le. end_date > $       thenB > %DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data > inconsistency  > $      --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 14:46:17 -0800 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> $ Subject: Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMSC Message-ID: <1141857977.086107.151480@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Beach Runner wrote:  > Steven M. Schweda wrote: > ' > > From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>  > > A > >>I've never had a problem with it, and I've earned a few hats.  > >  > > 5 > >    So, I suppose that you've never seen this one:  > >  > > system unavailable > > @ > > The system is currently unavailable. Please try again later. > >  > > wpa-pl-wpaframework-10000  > I > Of course VMS would be more reliable.  I tend to think most outages are  > network related. >  >   G The ITRC problem seems like insufficient bandwidth at their end --- and G they're using HP-UX servers. They haven't rebooted for 100 days, though  (aren't we all impressed?)  > http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://itrc.hp.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 21:35:45 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) $ Subject: Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMS3 Message-ID: <$cHCGzC7I4s8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <AyzPf.60899$g47.44470@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> writes:  >  >  > Steven W. wrote: > _ >> "Ian Miller"  wrote in message news:1141757806.191567.193630@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...  >>   >>  
 >>>me too :-)  >>   >>  4 >> 6 Points :)  Just need a few more for your cap :) >>   >>  K > What is really good about it is you can ask about 3rd party products, as  J > well as VMS questions. People like Hoffman and Hopkins (the developer of4 > XFC do participate) and many knowledgeable people. > K > There are no nuts like we find here.  They do get removed. The signal to   > noise ratio is better,   	Quiet at a nursing home too.    > like the old Eisner crowd.  . 	Bzzzzt!!! PC incorrect!  The term is: senior.   > : > The points are used as a symbol and a motivating factor. >    	I'd rather have a cookie.   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 21:51:54 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>O Subject: Re: Important OpenVMS update kit needed for AM GUI performance over IP 0 Message-ID: <_lIPf.4336$bl.680@news.cpqcorp.net>  + Yes, you are right, it is the GRAPHICS kit.    Barry    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 14:29:37 -0800 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net>  Subject: Re: Just wondering B Message-ID: <1141856977.661983.14300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   FredK wrote:- > <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote in message ? > news:1141832899.372873.167580@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... G > > I wonder how many top exec at HP have a VMS system in their house??  > > Image if a topD > > HP offical came out and said "For both office and home use I use > > OpenVMS" > > Just thinking!!! > N > Frankly, most "Top Execs" probably almost never touch a computer themselves.. > That is why they have executive secretaries. > K > At last report, Ken Olsen had still never logged onto a computer himself.   G Does anyone really think "top execs" are still working the way they did  in Ken Olsen's time?  F Most of today's "top execs" (that I know of) are completely connected.D They not only use computers (PeeCee's) on their office network, theyA have a notebook, they carry wireless PDA's / BlackBerrys and/or a : top-of-the-line mobil phone with all the bells & whistles.  E At home, they are networked into the office (and the world) and their C wife and kids each have their own computer/PDA/mobil/latest-gadget.   F VMS doesn't compete in the front-end world; its parents keep it locked in the back room.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:56:22 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Just wondering , Message-ID: <440f6117$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote in message< news:1141856977.661983.14300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...   > I > Does anyone really think "top execs" are still working the way they did  > in Ken Olsen's time? > H > Most of today's "top execs" (that I know of) are completely connected.F > They not only use computers (PeeCee's) on their office network, theyC > have a notebook, they carry wireless PDA's / BlackBerrys and/or a < > top-of-the-line mobil phone with all the bells & whistles. > G > At home, they are networked into the office (and the world) and their E > wife and kids each have their own computer/PDA/mobil/latest-gadget.  >   F Yes and no.  I am sure that "some" are techno-weenies, I suppose it isI probably based on how you got to where you are and what field you are in. K I'll guess someone running Google probably is a geek, but Proctor & Gamble? 
 Ford?  Exxon?   K I also believe that it is much more likely to be true (wired connectedness) K the farther down the food chain you go.  At the top you need to manage your J time carefully, and can afford people to filter things like random spam toL an e-mail account.  You can afford to have the limo drive you to work so youK can work on the way.  You can afford the corporate jet so you arrive rested D and ready.  All you need is a cell phone and speed dial to the rightK assistants.  If you get e-mail, it has been vetted and filtered down.  If I E send mail to someone 3 levels up from me, you can be pretty sure that K someone reads it before they do - and they may still be "connected" in your  terms.  @ I can easily imagine a top executive (CEO) with a cell phone cum8 blackberry - it's a high tech pager and intercom button.  H Ken used to say something about the intercom button being the CEO's user) interface - and the ultimate one at that.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 15:29:08 -0800 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net>  Subject: Re: Just wondering C Message-ID: <1141860548.874824.272170@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:: > "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote in message> > news:1141856977.661983.14300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... >  > > K > > Does anyone really think "top execs" are still working the way they did  > > in Ken Olsen's time? > > J > > Most of today's "top execs" (that I know of) are completely connected.H > > They not only use computers (PeeCee's) on their office network, theyE > > have a notebook, they carry wireless PDA's / BlackBerrys and/or a > > > top-of-the-line mobil phone with all the bells & whistles. > > I > > At home, they are networked into the office (and the world) and their G > > wife and kids each have their own computer/PDA/mobil/latest-gadget.  > >  > H > Yes and no.  I am sure that "some" are techno-weenies, I suppose it isK > probably based on how you got to where you are and what field you are in. M > I'll guess someone running Google probably is a geek, but Proctor & Gamble?  > Ford?  Exxon?  >   F Hello? Computers aren't just for "techno-weenies" and "geeks" anymore.E They're *easy* to use. Information is *everything* and I'd be willing E to bet that every executive at the top level at those three companies E has a computer on his/her desk --- and that computer is used. Time is A money in this world and computers save time. Information flow --- F market, news, meetings, schedules --- and so many other things that anE exec needs to know *now* and not later when someone finds the time to 
 tell him/her.   M > I also believe that it is much more likely to be true (wired connectedness) M > the farther down the food chain you go.  At the top you need to manage your L > time carefully, and can afford people to filter things like random spam toN > an e-mail account.  You can afford to have the limo drive you to work so youM > can work on the way.  You can afford the corporate jet so you arrive rested F > and ready.  All you need is a cell phone and speed dial to the rightM > assistants.  If you get e-mail, it has been vetted and filtered down.  If I G > send mail to someone 3 levels up from me, you can be pretty sure that M > someone reads it before they do - and they may still be "connected" in your  > terms. >   E You can bet that if the President of Ford emails the President of GM, B it'll get there in a hurry. Granted, execs at that level have manyF layers of support, but they had better stay informed --- and connected@ means connected. Yes, spam filters are important whether they're& software or human or more likely both.  G Check out some of the ways you can customize filters on real-time stock  market and news feeds.  B > I can easily imagine a top executive (CEO) with a cell phone cum: > blackberry - it's a high tech pager and intercom button. >   > Take a look at the newer ones if that's what you really think.  J > Ken used to say something about the intercom button being the CEO's user+ > interface - and the ultimate one at that.   @ Ken isn't managing in today's world. The Intercom is too slow toB provide a busy person with a close to real-time picture of his/her world.  E I guess we'll just have to go survey all of the top exec's offices to B find out for sure. Sounds like a fun thing to do for retirement;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:52:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Just wondering , Message-ID: <440F8A56.27BD8B13@teksavvy.com>   re: execs and technology.   G There are two sides to the story. Gerstner initially refused the job at E IBM because he felt he didn't know "tech", although he had managed IT H centres for large financial orgs. And he did an incredible job of savingH IBM from oblivion with basically "common sense" and good leadership. AndE he made damned sure he had people who understood technology always at 0 his side. And yes, he did know how to use email.  B Curly on the other hand was a mere accountant who got the job evenA though he wasn't qualified simply because nobody else wanted it.    B Not knowing about the technology that your company is selling is aD disadvantage. It can be compensated if you have extra leadership and5 common sense skills, but a disadvantage nevertheless.     F It used to be that bosses didn't have to handle phones because that isH what secretaries were for. They just had to pick up their phone and talkG to whoeever they asked their secretary to contact. Eventually, they got H to learn how to use phones. Eventually they learned how to use computers to type text/emails.  G They may not yet dig mobile phones' full features, but they know how to 
 use them.   C A board member might not need technology. They are paid to attend a E couple meetings and go to fancy restaurants for lunch.  But the CEO , G chairman and president have to be tied into the company and that meeans H knowing about current communications medium, and that means using email,C mobile phones, and being able to get emails on your  mobile phone , E tranmsfering your contacts from your personal office computer to your ; phone and>/or laptop which you bring with you during trips.    Stayinmg in touch is important.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 22:31:08 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Just wondering , Message-ID: <440fa180$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L Tell you what, next time you get together for cigars and scotch with the topI 500 CEO's why not ask?  We are speculating about the habits and styles of A people who would expect most of us to open the car door for them.       8 "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote in message= news:1141860548.874824.272170@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...  > FredK wrote:< > > "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote in message@ > > news:1141856977.661983.14300@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > >  > > > I > > > Does anyone really think "top execs" are still working the way they  did  > > > in Ken Olsen's time? > > > L > > > Most of today's "top execs" (that I know of) are completely connected.J > > > They not only use computers (PeeCee's) on their office network, theyG > > > have a notebook, they carry wireless PDA's / BlackBerrys and/or a @ > > > top-of-the-line mobil phone with all the bells & whistles. > > > K > > > At home, they are networked into the office (and the world) and their I > > > wife and kids each have their own computer/PDA/mobil/latest-gadget.  > > >  > > J > > Yes and no.  I am sure that "some" are techno-weenies, I suppose it isI > > probably based on how you got to where you are and what field you are  in. G > > I'll guess someone running Google probably is a geek, but Proctor &  Gamble?  > > Ford?  Exxon?  > >  > H > Hello? Computers aren't just for "techno-weenies" and "geeks" anymore.G > They're *easy* to use. Information is *everything* and I'd be willing G > to bet that every executive at the top level at those three companies G > has a computer on his/her desk --- and that computer is used. Time is C > money in this world and computers save time. Information flow --- H > market, news, meetings, schedules --- and so many other things that anG > exec needs to know *now* and not later when someone finds the time to  > tell him/her.  > @ > > I also believe that it is much more likely to be true (wired connectedness)J > > the farther down the food chain you go.  At the top you need to manage yourK > > time carefully, and can afford people to filter things like random spam  toL > > an e-mail account.  You can afford to have the limo drive you to work so you H > > can work on the way.  You can afford the corporate jet so you arrive restedH > > and ready.  All you need is a cell phone and speed dial to the rightI > > assistants.  If you get e-mail, it has been vetted and filtered down.  If II > > send mail to someone 3 levels up from me, you can be pretty sure that J > > someone reads it before they do - and they may still be "connected" in your
 > > terms. > >  > G > You can bet that if the President of Ford emails the President of GM, D > it'll get there in a hurry. Granted, execs at that level have manyH > layers of support, but they had better stay informed --- and connectedB > means connected. Yes, spam filters are important whether they're( > software or human or more likely both. > I > Check out some of the ways you can customize filters on real-time stock  > market and news feeds. > D > > I can easily imagine a top executive (CEO) with a cell phone cum< > > blackberry - it's a high tech pager and intercom button. > >  > @ > Take a look at the newer ones if that's what you really think. > L > > Ken used to say something about the intercom button being the CEO's user- > > interface - and the ultimate one at that.  > B > Ken isn't managing in today's world. The Intercom is too slow toD > provide a busy person with a close to real-time picture of his/her > world. > G > I guess we'll just have to go survey all of the top exec's offices to D > find out for sure. Sounds like a fun thing to do for retirement;-) >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:03:05 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Just wondering / Message-ID: <HMydnTrSUK49K5LZ4p2dnA@libcom.com>    FredK wrote:N > Tell you what, next time you get together for cigars and scotch with the topK > 500 CEO's why not ask?  We are speculating about the habits and styles of C > people who would expect most of us to open the car door for them.   & Some of us might slam it on their leg.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:49:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Just wondering , Message-ID: <440FC1DF.AAF5B750@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote: > N > Tell you what, next time you get together for cigars and scotch with the topK > 500 CEO's why not ask?  We are speculating about the habits and styles of C > people who would expect most of us to open the car door for them.     G If you are talking about tycoons like Conrad Black, you are correct. He E prefers to play with his Napoleonic collection of war figures than to H play with computers and probably never needs to touch a keyboard becauseH he doesn't do any work, he just attends parties and does strategy on howG to make/steal money.  But Black is OLD money. He is not a CEO of a real G corporation, he just has/had assets to manage. His job is to have power E lunches and attend fancy banquets to meet people and propose business H deals and then have the grunts work out the details. This is slow motion3 work and doesn't require any day to day management.   H But you are are talking about the CEO of a real company with real assetsF and real products, this would be quite different because he would needG to be advised of serious day to day developments, meeting  changes, and F would need to stay in touch with his company while on a business trip.  D I suspect Hurd doesn't need someone to open the doors for him. BlackB does.  (Especially since he was knighted by the queen of england.)  E And when you look at the .com generation, I suspect that the heads of H Google and Yahoo much prefer to drive their sports cars with the top offH than to be seen in a chauffeur driven limo. And they would definitely be big users of technology.  E And while Bill gates knows little ahout computers, he is as huge user F and will try avery gadget he can find and if he likes it, will want toF either buy the company that makes it or copy ist products. That is hisH he gets inspiration. Gates is more than just an accounant/manager, he isC a leader. And to be a leader, you need to understand your products.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:21:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Loading Alpha-VMS from a VAX served CD ? , Message-ID: <440F750C.E73111BD@teksavvy.com>   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: > > If c.o.v readers aren't average VMS geeks I wonder who is...    & Which I why I was expecting more of a F "unpack the PCSI kit XXX into a directory, then set the LANCP to allowA the alpha t MOP boot from file Y in that directory"  instead of a  "shouldn't be done".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:17:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update - Week of Feb 27+ Message-ID: <440F903A.F1DE3538@comcast.net>    Rob Brooks wrote:  > - > "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:  >  > [stuff deleted . . .]  > H > > For the agenda, registration, hotel, questions and other information! > > please visit the web page at:  > > # > >  www.hp.com/go/openvms/bootcamp  > >  > > Warm Regards,  > > Sue Skonetski  > > Program Manager  > O > Note that for folks looking for a less-expensive way to come to the bootcamp, K > one can stay at the fine Red Roof Inn which is about a quarter mile away. B > For airfare, Southwest Airlines flies into Manchester, NH (MHT).   Thanx, Rob!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:09:11 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs + Message-ID: <440F8E46.E267A788@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <440CF1CD.B406690D@comcast.net>, > >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:
 > > [snip]C > > Probably an optional service with an annual subscription. Don't ! > > subscribe if it troubles you.  > G > Like my wife (who couldn't understand why I told her if we ever got a A > car with OnStar the first thing I would do would be rip it out)   D With a little digging, probably only a single connector being openedC will likely disable it without damaging the vehicle or its interior  appearance parts.   
 > you seemE > to have missed the most important point.  They control it, not you.   # What level of control did you want?    >  Just H > because you opted not to pay for the service that benefits you doesn'tH > mean they won't utilize the parts that might benefit them.  Unless, ofK > course, you trust them. (Just because your paranoid doesn't mean everyone  > isn't out to get you!)  B As long as no laws are violated in the process (especially privacy rights laws), where's the harm?   E ...and having someone else know your airbags have deployed might just  save your hide!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:17:42 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs , Message-ID: <440FBA5C.45FB8B3E@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: J > > because you opted not to pay for the service that benefits you doesn't? > > mean they won't utilize the parts that might benefit them.    D > As long as no laws are violated in the process (especially privacy! > rights laws), where's the harm?   B In fact, the USA is a good example of how a government can subvertB privacy laws by snapping a finger and declaring that for "nationalF security" they need access to all data and bybass normal processes for surveillance etc.   = Consider that US airlines were asked to retroactively provide H reservations data to the government, and in at least one case, that dataE was made public (including people's credit card numbers). At the time E passengers made those reservbations, theyu had no idea the government 1 would force airlines to divulge that information.   D Similarly, MS and AOL provided search data to the government withoutE telling users. It is only because Google made that request public and H refused to comply that the public found out about the government wanting* to find out who searched certain keywords.    @ Even europe, with true and strict privacy laws buckled under USA? pressure and passed laws allowing governments to spy on emails.   B Australia has already arrested people based on the contents of SMS messages they sent.   C Consider Sarbane-Oxley which requires corporation to keep extensive 4 logs/records. More stuff for governments to spy on.     D The more data corporations have on customers, the more the odds of aH government requiring access to it, and then this becomes a huge headacheB for the corporation on whether to secretely give the data and hopeG nobody found out, or do like google and fight it. Note that jetBlue was ? sued for millions of dollars for divulging personal data to the A government, breaking its own data privacy laws that stipulated it  wouldn't do such a thing.   H As well, the mode data you have on your customers, the more tempting forH thieves to steal it. Consider how a credit card processor in the USA wasB nearly wiped out of existance because or a breach in security that4 allowed millions of credit card number to be stolen.  4 Beyond that, there is always industrial espionnage.   D Corporations in the western world should be re-assessing their wholeH securuity philosophy as well as establishing internal policies on how toH react to a local or foreign government requesting access to private data etc.      H Lets consider On-Star again. If GM were to publically admit that the USAA government has the ability to request GM to divulge location of a D certain owner's car at any time. What percentage of On-Star equippedB owners would rip the system out of their cars the same day ? WouldC On-Star have enough customers left to warrant continued existence ?   H VMS may provide great data security, but security is a much larger issueE that needs to be dealt with at all levels, including the very top who @ must be aware of the costs of releasing data either willingly to) governments or through security breaches.   E When it is a government which wants access to a coproration's private E data, the public generally revolt against the corporation and not the 2 government. It is the corporation which is hurt.    D And this is where VMS supporters may be able to score points againstD corporations hiring inexperiendced windows-weenies because they costG less. In many cases, it is the existance of the corporation which is at . stake, not just downtime of a couple of hours.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:00:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle , Message-ID: <440F6200.D8DED059@teksavvy.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > I > why hasn't oracle ported their ecommerce suite to OpenVMS yet?  OpenVMS / > is the most stable web platform out their ...   B The bigger question is whether any of that supposed $10 billion inE marketing money for that IA64 thing will go towards VMS markpetplace.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 19:29:00 -0800 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle B Message-ID: <1141874940.490549.10790@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   Malcolm its coming.    sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:11:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) + Message-ID: <440F8ED1.DFA31BA1@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <440CC381.C0016A31@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:, > > "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" wrote: > >>: > >> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message* > >> news:46kdmiFb9062U1@individual.net...0 > >> >  I doubt Bill Gates gives a rats patootie: > >> > about VMS.  Assuming he even knows it still exists. > >>L > >> He does know it exists, here are a few of his more public references to > >> it. > >>H > >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/industry&tech/uexpo.aspF > >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2004/03-29Gartner.aspG > >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2005/10-13Waterloo.asp  > >>	 > >> Alex  > > ? > > Naturally, none of those pages work with an older Netscape.  > < > They work for me with Netscape Communicator 4.75-20000815.  6 They don't work for me using Mozilla V4.77 on W2K-Pro.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 22:46:37 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Rich Marcello in VMS mention shocker :-) 3 Message-ID: <Mr7vKPaYPU2M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <440F8ED1.DFA31BA1@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  c >> In article <440CC381.C0016A31@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: - >> > "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" wrote:  >> >> ; >> >> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message + >> >> news:46kdmiFb9062U1@individual.net... 1 >> >> >  I doubt Bill Gates gives a rats patootie ; >> >> > about VMS.  Assuming he even knows it still exists.  >> >> M >> >> He does know it exists, here are a few of his more public references to 	 >> >> it.  >> >> I >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/industry&tech/uexpo.asp G >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2004/03-29Gartner.asp H >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2005/10-13Waterloo.asp >> >> 
 >> >> Alex >> >@ >> > Naturally, none of those pages work with an older Netscape. >>  = >> They work for me with Netscape Communicator 4.75-20000815.  > 8 > They don't work for me using Mozilla V4.77 on W2K-Pro.   Get a Mac :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Mar 2006 22:32:22 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Samba (VMS Roadmap), Message-ID: <dunm1m01u8h@enews1.newsguy.com>  K Is there any word on what the supported versions of OpenVMS will be for the  Samba port?    	Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:29:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades, Message-ID: <440F76EF.A8C7F8F7@teksavvy.com>   Ian Miller wrote: B > Various items of note including the planned support for the nextH > generation of Itanium Blade Servers - now, who is actually going to by > one?    G When HP announced IA64 blades, the message was that customers could mix / 8086 and IA64 boards in the same blade cabinet.   H So buy a blade cabinet, put in a few IA64 things in it, and then upgrade. to 8086 boards as to migrate to Linux/windows.  F VMS needs to get on board with the 8086 ASAP.  Even if that IA64 thingF survives, VMS cannot survive on such a small market niche and needs toH expland into a wider marketplace offered by the 8086.  As long as VMS isE restricted to that small IA64 niche, then marcello is probably right:  not much growth potential.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.135 ************************