1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 10 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 137       Contents:2 Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums: BECOME A DOT.COM MILLIONAIRE WITH ONLY  $5.99Cents or $1K.: BECOME A DOT.COM MILLIONAIRE WITH ONLY  $5.99Cents or $1K.# Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM?   Re: DS10 466Mhz DEALS this month  Re: DS10 466Mhz DEALS this month DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racks ! Re: DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racks ! Re: DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racks  Re: Eve - displaying ESC?  Re: Eve - displaying ESC?  Re: Eve - displaying ESC? , Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMS  Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering Re: Mailbox Unit Number Range  Re: Mailbox Unit Number Range , Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs, Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs Re: Press releases from Oracle Re: Press releases from Oracle Re: Press releases from Oracle Re: Press releases from Oracle Re: Samba (VMS Roadmap) - Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades - Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades - Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay? - Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?  Re: XMI-1 on XMI-2 bus - NOT  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 20:11:54 -0800  From: shofu_au@yahoo.com.au ; Subject: Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums B Message-ID: <1141963914.706761.60250@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>   Hi Sue,   E Are there any plans to offer these course and the HP Integrity rx2620  outside the USA?  @ Any plans for the east coast of Australia or Japan (in English)?   Thanks   Mark   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:45:58 -0500& From: ISRAEL FAGBEMI<invest@vosar.net>C Subject: BECOME A DOT.COM MILLIONAIRE WITH ONLY  $5.99Cents or $1K. 5 Message-ID: <XB%Pf.70194$8d1.1431@read1.cgocable.net>    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:02:44 -0500& From: ISRAEL FAGBEMI<invest@vosar.net>C Subject: BECOME A DOT.COM MILLIONAIRE WITH ONLY  $5.99Cents or $1K. 6 Message-ID: <o%5Qf.91126$8d1.51148@read1.cgocable.net>   <HTML> <HEAD>A <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing Control">  <TITLE></TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>N <P><FONT size=4>BECOME A DOT.COM MILLIONAIRE<BR>Invest $1,000. Get back up to C $3,000 a day ,$100,000 monthly. for 1 year. Silent Partners. Do no  5 work.<BR></FONT><A href="http://www.vosar.net"><FONT  ) size=4>www.vosar.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT  1 size=4>416-903-5685<BR>775-333-1125<BR></FONT><A  % href="mailto:invest@vosar.net"><FONT  * size=4>invest@vosar.net</FONT></A><BR></P> </BODY>  </HTML>    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:43:13 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: DECWindows setup - whither XDM?1 Message-ID: <5c2Qf.4421$9U.1671@news.cpqcorp.net>   f In article <440fc1ea$0$56216$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net>, Ian King <iking@killthewabbit.org> writes:# :But when I look to configure XDM,  J :I can't find the directory that supposedly contains all the config files * :and templates (sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm]).  I   XDM and XDMCP support on OpenVMS requires TCP/IP Services V5.1 or later F   and DECwindows V1.2-5 and later, or whatever the requirements of the2   particular third-party IP stack in use might be.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:31:19 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: Re: DS10 466Mhz DEALS this month ( Message-ID: <ops56hehqrzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H The offer was for a DS10 not DS10L, which prompted me to ask (I have a   DS10L)  8 On 9 Mar 2006 08:24:35 -0800, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com  ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:    >  > Tom Linden wrote: K >> Just curious how this compares performance wise with say Xp1000 500 or    >> 667 >> MHz.  Is it not% >> the same cpu (21264) and chip set?  >> Tom >> > < > Yes, same processor.  Different board design.  Here's someG > SEPCint95/SPECfp95 numbers along with the links of where I found them  >  >      SPECint95/SPECfp95  > > > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/benchmark.pdf+ > XP1000/500: 28/52 - estimate from a chart  > W > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/retired/xpseries/xp1000/index.html  > XP1000/667: 37.5/65.5  >  > ? > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/comp/nov99.html  > DS10L /466: 25/47  > ? > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/comp/dec00.html  > DS10L /600: 35.3/56.1  > I > The DS10L is a bit slower since the clock rates are 466/617 compared to  > 500/667 for the XP1000 >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 19:04:50 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ) Subject: Re: DS10 466Mhz DEALS this month C Message-ID: <1141959890.666121.132780@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: H > The offer was for a DS10 not DS10L, which prompted me to ask (I have a > DS10L) >   E If you look at the web pages you see that both the DS10 and DS10L are B listed (617MHz, just the DS10 for the 466MHz) and are identical inE performance.  They both use the same mainboard.  the DS10L just has a F 1-slot PCI riser instead of the 4-slot for the DS10 and special risersC for the memory (which limit you to two memory sticks instead of 4).    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 13:49:05 -0800 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>& Subject: DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racksB Message-ID: <1141940945.636917.12420@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>  G Customer bought a DS15 and other HP gear and an HP10000 series cabinet; E all was happy.  They brought up another site with an existing desktop F DS10, bought rack, HP PC server kit, 10000 rack, etc and DS10 rack kitA (as listed in the DS10 quickspecs, which do not include the 10000 E series racks).  Not so happy; the DS10 rails are too short for the HP  10000 rack.   D Does anyone know if you can use a DS15 rack kit (for the 10000 rack,G p/n 3X-PBX01-DB) with a DS10?  The sites are too far apart (and too far ? from us) to move equipment around to try.  Alternatively we can , jury-rig rear supports for the DS10 rails...  E To be honest, comparing the rather chintzy rack kit for the DS10 (and @ the DS15 at the other site) with the rather nice rails, sliders,@ latches, and cable management of the proliant boxes is more than slightly depressing.   Thanks   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:54:05 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) * Subject: Re: DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racksL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0903062154030001@user-uinj41s.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <1141940945.636917.12420@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "Rich# Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:   H >Customer bought a DS15 and other HP gear and an HP10000 series cabinet;F >all was happy.  They brought up another site with an existing desktopG >DS10, bought rack, HP PC server kit, 10000 rack, etc and DS10 rack kit B >(as listed in the DS10 quickspecs, which do not include the 10000F >series racks).  Not so happy; the DS10 rails are too short for the HP >10000 rack. > E >Does anyone know if you can use a DS15 rack kit (for the 10000 rack, H >p/n 3X-PBX01-DB) with a DS10?  The sites are too far apart (and too far@ >from us) to move equipment around to try.  Alternatively we can- >jury-rig rear supports for the DS10 rails...   I I think the rack kits for DS10 and DS15 are compatible, but I can't swear 9 to it.  The chassis was re-used with minor modifications.   F >To be honest, comparing the rather chintzy rack kit for the DS10 (andA >the DS15 at the other site) with the rather nice rails, sliders, A >latches, and cable management of the proliant boxes is more than  >slightly depressing.   I The AlphaServer rack-mount rails and cable management arms are definitely G not as nice as the Integrity and Proliant ones.  The latest rack slides 3 install in about 30 seconds with no tools required.   H If you aren't cramped for space, there are a couple of shelves availableH for the 10000 series racks.  One of the shelves slides in and out like aF drawer; we sometimes put Alpha systems on the shelves in the new racksH rather than try to figure out the right conversion widgets.  The shelves "waste" 1 or 2 U of rack space.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:17:49 -0700  From: Dan Notov <d9nn0@hp.com>* Subject: Re: DS10 vs DS15 and new HP racks, Message-ID: <44110bfd$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: J > In article <1141940945.636917.12420@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "Rich% > Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:  >  > I >>Customer bought a DS15 and other HP gear and an HP10000 series cabinet; G >>all was happy.  They brought up another site with an existing desktop H >>DS10, bought rack, HP PC server kit, 10000 rack, etc and DS10 rack kitC >>(as listed in the DS10 quickspecs, which do not include the 10000 G >>series racks).  Not so happy; the DS10 rails are too short for the HP 
 >>10000 rack.  >>F >>Does anyone know if you can use a DS15 rack kit (for the 10000 rack,I >>p/n 3X-PBX01-DB) with a DS10?  The sites are too far apart (and too far  > A >>from us) to move equipment around to try.  Alternatively we can  > . >>jury-rig rear supports for the DS10 rails... >  > K > I think the rack kits for DS10 and DS15 are compatible, but I can't swear ; > to it.  The chassis was re-used with minor modifications.  >  > G >>To be honest, comparing the rather chintzy rack kit for the DS10 (and B >>the DS15 at the other site) with the rather nice rails, sliders,B >>latches, and cable management of the proliant boxes is more than >>slightly depressing. >  > K > The AlphaServer rack-mount rails and cable management arms are definitely I > not as nice as the Integrity and Proliant ones.  The latest rack slides 5 > install in about 30 seconds with no tools required.  > J > If you aren't cramped for space, there are a couple of shelves availableJ > for the 10000 series racks.  One of the shelves slides in and out like aH > drawer; we sometimes put Alpha systems on the shelves in the new racksJ > rather than try to figure out the right conversion widgets.  The shelves! > "waste" 1 or 2 U of rack space. O The 10000-series compatible rack kit for the DS10 was 3X-PBX01-AA. I could not  M find any documentation showing the similarity or difference between that and  / the -DB model. I will do a little more digging.    /danno   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 20:53:01 -0800  From: dooleys@snowy.net.au" Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?C Message-ID: <1141966380.926735.102200@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    sometimes older is better  edit/edt shows them like...  <ESC>E
 <ESC>&l26A	 <ESC>&l1E 	 <ESC>&l1L 	 <ESC>&k4S 	 <ESC>(s0T  [EOB]    Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 21:01:22 -0800  From: dooleys@snowy.net.au" Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?B Message-ID: <1141966882.569981.17300@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>  6 In my EVE escape shows up as a backwards question-mark& (as do other non-printable characters)/ This may depend on the terminal characteristics  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:13:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?, Message-ID: <44110B00.6C5D145D@teksavvy.com>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote: > A > Is there anyway to get Eve to display something where an escape " > character occurs in a text file   @ On a real VT or using the decwidnows interface, those characters8 normally display as a special question mark as I recall.  E If you use EDIT/EDT, and use "CHANGE" to put it into full screen, you G would see control character mnemonics instead of the actual characters.     B I have a small DECwindows utility that accesses text libraries andE already have the code added to convert to/from control characters and E their mmemonics. But the utility need much more work before it can be  released into the wild.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 13:19:23 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure 3 Message-ID: <7RAFMP0tSvcM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <1141929582.568350.284940@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes: F > it doesn't matter either way... :-(  and if you notice p1 and p2 are > not filled in with dates!   ) What doesn't matter either way?  Context!   E P1 and P2 are filled in with dates.  What evidence have you failed to E show or failed to understand that led you to the opposite conclusion?   G You don't include enough information below to know what the problem is.   7 I can generate command files that reproduce the problem ) I can generate command files that do not.   A The difference between the two is in the portion that you are not  revealing to us.  C Also, you are showing us SET VERIFY output from running the command H files.  In this particular case, we need to see the command file itself.   Allow me to demonstrate    Create TEST.COM as follows:  $!, $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format* $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatH $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTPserver) $! $!< $ IF P1 .eqs. "" then inquire P1 "What do you want P1 to be"2 $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )< $ IF P2 .eqs. "" then inquire P2 "What do you want P2 to be"0 $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" ) $! $ any_files = "FALSE"  $ loop: ! $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) + $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 5 $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) @ $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )E $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. file_date .les. end_date  $	then $		write sys$output file $	endif  $	goto loop   
 And run it as    $ @TEST 01-oct-2005 01-nov-2005   D Now repeat it, but chop off everything after the IF statement first.   So...   6 What appears in your .COM file after the IF statement?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 11:41:53 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure C Message-ID: <1141933312.955525.127500@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   F sorry I need to get use to putting the info to follow over to the next message * >What doesn't matter either way?  Context!  D  it was in reference to the putting the - in... but looking it was a different message...  F >P1 and P2 are filled in with dates.  What evidence have you failed toF >show or failed to understand that led you to the opposite conclusion?    H >You don't include enough information below to know what the problem is.  E I would have thought I would see the dates I put in replace p1 and p2  this is not the case   here is the contents of the com    $!, $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format* $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatA $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTP  server)  $! $!< $ IF P1 .eqs. "" then inquire P1 "What do you want P1 to be"2 $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )< $ IF P2 .eqs. "" then inquire P2 "What do you want P2 to be"0 $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" ) $! $ any_files = "FALSE"  $ loop: ! $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) + $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 5 $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) @ $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )E $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. file_date .les. end_date  $       then< $           name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" ); $           ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" ) $ $           simple_name = name + ext $           any_files = "TRUE"   >And run it as      >$ @TEST 01-oct-2005 01-nov-2005    E >Now repeat it, but chop off everything after the IF statement first. * I don't know which one you want me to cut?   >So...    7 >What appears in your .COM file after the IF statement?      which if statement?   @ ok it worked then that tells me that it is after that line it is> failing on see below... upto that point your file and mine are identical...E $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. file_date .les. end_date  $       thenE ****$           name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" ) **** ; $           ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" ) % $           simple_name = name + ext   $           any_files = "TRUE"   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 14:00:00 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure 3 Message-ID: <2zWwMz6Y1wMU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <1141933312.955525.127500@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes: H > sorry I need to get use to putting the info to follow over to the next	 > message   4 Thank you.  You quoted my text this time.  Good job.  ; Now I'll have to start acting less like a Lydick I suppose.   + >>What doesn't matter either way?  Context!   F >  it was in reference to the putting the - in... but looking it was a > different message... > G >>P1 and P2 are filled in with dates.  What evidence have you failed to G >>show or failed to understand that led you to the opposite conclusion?  >  > I >>You don't include enough information below to know what the problem is.  > G > I would have thought I would see the dates I put in replace p1 and p2  > this is not the case  E This leads us into a lecture on one of the other somewhat interesting  behaviors of DCL...   D When you have SET VERIFY turned on, what do you see in the resulting@ output?  Do you see the original command line just as it appears@ in the command file?  Do you see all symbols replaced with their values?   D The answer is that you see the command line as it has been processedH by phase 1 lexical analysis.  All substitutions triggered by apostrophes@ will display with the results of those substitutions.  AutomaticG expression evaluation (and the processing of the & directive if you had I used it) take place afterward and are not reflected in the VERIFY output.   ! > here is the contents of the com  >  > $!. > $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format, > $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatC > $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTP 	 > server)  > $! > $!> > $ IF P1 .eqs. "" then inquire P1 "What do you want P1 to be"  F No apostrophes here.  So we see the symbol name rather than the symbol3 value when the command is echoed through SET VERIFY   4 > $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )  F No apostrophes here.  So we see the symbol name rather than the symbol3 value when the command is echoed through SET VERIFY   > > $ IF P2 .eqs. "" then inquire P2 "What do you want P2 to be"  F No apostrophes here.  So we see the symbol name rather than the symbol3 value when the command is echoed through SET VERIFY   2 > $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" )  F No apostrophes here.  So we see the symbol name rather than the symbol3 value when the command is echoed through SET VERIFY    > $! > $ any_files = "FALSE" 	 > $ loop: # > $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) - > $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 7 > $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) B > $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )G > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. file_date .les. end_date  > $       then> > $           name = f$parse ( file,,, "name", "syntax_only" )= > $           ext = f$parse ( file,,, "type", "syntax_only" ) & > $           simple_name = name + ext  > $           any_files = "TRUE"  B You have an IF without a matching ENDIF.  What did you do with the remainder of the .COM file?    Tack on:   $	endif   @ And you should get a fragment that doesn't blow up in your face.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 12:12:11 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure A Message-ID: <1141935131.503474.8610@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   1 I never knew that about the ECHOing... thank you.   C >You have an IF without a matching ENDIF.  What did you do with the  >remainder of the .COM file?  	 >Tack on:    >$       endif  A >And you should get a fragment that doesn't blow up in your face.      absolutely!   yea!  B and here is the rest of the file which has the endif after the ftp$ $           copy /ftp 'file ftp"info* deleted"::ehs\hb\claims\'P3'\'simple_name'
 $       endif  $       goto loop  $  $ end_loop:  $ if .not. any_files $ then2 $       write sys$Output "No matching files found"
 $       exit   $ endif  $        $ exit       thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 13:03:23 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure B Message-ID: <1141938203.319412.65350@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  M >The thread is ignoring the original problem and revolving around dcl syntax.   C some of it is my fault for trying to get it to work and focusing on  it...   # >I clipped this from some old code. ) >It should be close to what the OP wants.   ^ >$ pipe dir/nohead/sel=file=(nodir,nodev)/since=ddd-mm-yyyy/before=ddd-mm-yyyy | @sendthefiles     >$type sendthefiles.com     
 >$ copy:=copy  >$ readloop:& >$READ/END_OF_FILE=ENDIT sys$pipe name- >$ if f$extract(0,10,name) .eqs. "Directory "  >$    then i=01 >$ else if f$extract(0,9,name) .eqs.  "Total of "  >$    then i=0 >$ else if name .eqs. "" >$    then i=0C >$ else copy/ftp 'name' servername"userid pasword"::"c:\serverdir\"  >$ endif >$ endif >$ endif >$ goto readloop	 >$ ENDIT:   T >I don't remember if you can have a THEN with nothing after it so i stuck in the i=0  D of course now I find out that some of the files need to be ascii andE some binary... so I may look at zipping them per a list and ftping it F as binary and then unzipping it... of course I can't seem to get it to put it into the right dir...  % thank you all for your help so far...    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:54:31 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure 0 Message-ID: <1141941223.417369@nntp.acecape.com>   pcoviello@gmail.com wrote:O >> The thread is ignoring the original problem and revolving around dcl syntax.  > E > some of it is my fault for trying to get it to work and focusing on  > it...  > % >> I clipped this from some old code. + >> It should be close to what the OP wants.  > ` >> $ pipe dir/nohead/sel=file=(nodir,nodev)/since=ddd-mm-yyyy/before=ddd-mm-yyyy | @sendthefiles >  >  >> $type sendthefiles.com  >  >  >> $ copy:=copy  >> $ readloop:( >> $READ/END_OF_FILE=ENDIT sys$pipe name/ >> $ if f$extract(0,10,name) .eqs. "Directory "  >> $    then i=03 >> $ else if f$extract(0,9,name) .eqs.  "Total of "  >> $    then i=0 >> $ else if name .eqs. "" >> $    then i=0E >> $ else copy/ftp 'name' servername"userid pasword"::"c:\serverdir\" 
 >> $ endif
 >> $ endif
 >> $ endif >> $ goto readloop >> $ ENDIT:  > V >> I don't remember if you can have a THEN with nothing after it so i stuck in the i=0 > F > of course now I find out that some of the files need to be ascii andG > some binary... so I may look at zipping them per a list and ftping it H > as binary and then unzipping it... of course I can't seem to get it to > put it into the right dir... > ' > thank you all for your help so far...  >  > Paul >   < If binary/ascii is detemined by extension, then you can haveD the DIR command select those extensions and pipe output to a versionD of the DCL script that does ascii or binary in the COPY/FTP command.J COPY/FTP allows specifying /binary or /ascii transfers. (default is ascii)  + If you decide to go the zip route, zip has:   I -t   only do files after "mmddyy"    to select files based on a from date B or you can use the directory command and pipe output to zip using: -@   read names from stdin   regards  sol    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 18:19:03 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure B Message-ID: <1141957143.404152.92060@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  G Sol, I'm not sure I want to tackle that one... if I did I would want to : keep it all together in one com... would there be a way toF quantify what I want by doing something like the dir if it is .txt ftp: as ascii else ftp as binary... it is probably to simple...   thanks Paul   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 18:44:12 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure C Message-ID: <1141958651.992151.240490@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: x > In article <1141925865.570971.51780@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes:G > > I haven't meant to babble really,  I didn't realize that there were J > > other ways to get these messages... I just thought google groups wouldF > > be seen thru the web page... all along it seems as though my inputH > > dates are ignored... I have changed the com back to the original wayF > > like you have above and ran it again... and here is the results... > B > The forum you are reaching is the newsgroup comp.os.vms which is! > also the mailing list INFO-VAX.  > B > I'm reading this on comp.os.vms using a newsreader on a terminal > emulator.  > J > One thing to realize about mailing lists and newsgroups is that postingsH > are asynchronous.  You can see a reply without having seen the posting > that is being replied to.  > F > Accordingly the time honored convention is to quote relevant contextD > from the article you are responding to, and to set off this quoted4 > material with angle bracket quotes as I have done. > I > The default way to post with Google does not include context.  It takes J > about two extra mouse-clicks to get the quoting done.  But since I don't3 > use Google, I don't know where you need to click.   D Here's the right way: Click "show options" in the header. Then clickG Reply in the newly expanded header. DO NOT click reply at the bottom of A the message. That is the one that doesn't do the quoting for you.    [...]    AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 18:48:15 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure B Message-ID: <1141958894.955538.39440@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: y > In article <1141933312.955525.127500@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes: J > > sorry I need to get use to putting the info to follow over to the next > > message  > 6 > Thank you.  You quoted my text this time.  Good job. > = > Now I'll have to start acting less like a Lydick I suppose.   D Oh, come now. You didn't get anywhere *near* Lydick. Carl would haveG called him an SFB and turned him to burnt toast in at most a few posts. D OTOH, even after being burned, as soon as you expalined your problem1 clearly, he would help you like nothing happened.   B Carl would have never had the patience you displayed in this post.   [...]    AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 18:49:43 -0800 1 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure C Message-ID: <1141958983.835456.168730@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote:! > briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: z > > In article <1141925865.570971.51780@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes:I > > > I haven't meant to babble really,  I didn't realize that there were L > > > other ways to get these messages... I just thought google groups wouldH > > > be seen thru the web page... all along it seems as though my inputJ > > > dates are ignored... I have changed the com back to the original wayH > > > like you have above and ran it again... and here is the results... > > D > > The forum you are reaching is the newsgroup comp.os.vms which is# > > also the mailing list INFO-VAX.  > > D > > I'm reading this on comp.os.vms using a newsreader on a terminal
 > > emulator.  > > L > > One thing to realize about mailing lists and newsgroups is that postingsJ > > are asynchronous.  You can see a reply without having seen the posting > > that is being replied to.  > > H > > Accordingly the time honored convention is to quote relevant contextF > > from the article you are responding to, and to set off this quoted6 > > material with angle bracket quotes as I have done. > > K > > The default way to post with Google does not include context.  It takes L > > about two extra mouse-clicks to get the quoting done.  But since I don't5 > > use Google, I don't know where you need to click.  > F > Here's the right way: Click "show options" in the header. Then clickI > Reply in the newly expanded header. DO NOT click reply at the bottom of C > the message. That is the one that doesn't do the quoting for you.  >  > [...]  >  > AEF   
  cool  thanks    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2006 06:32:40 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Se9UUlN5soEM@dave2_os2.home.ours>   @ On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:00:00 UTC, briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  y > In article <1141933312.955525.127500@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> writes: J > > sorry I need to get use to putting the info to follow over to the next > > message  > 6 > Thank you.  You quoted my text this time.  Good job. > = > Now I'll have to start acting less like a Lydick I suppose.   1 No John. Full marks for patience and persistence.   3 And, on reflection, the same goes for Paul, the OP.     --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:36:18 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>$ Subject: Re: HP's ITRC forum for VMS0 Message-ID: <12111hbtm4uogf6@corp.supernews.com>   John Reagan wrote: > Beach Runner wrote:  >  >>I >> What is really good about it is you can ask about 3rd party products,  B >> as well as VMS questions. People like Hoffman and Hopkins (the  >> developer of 5 >> XFC do participate) and many knowledgeable people.  >> >  > J > Well, personally, I tend to not visit ITRC, but come here several times G > a day.  I find the ITRC layout annoying plus I keep having to get my    E I agree.  Looks like something slapped together in the mid-nineties.  E And typing anything more significant than a couple of sentences into  % that pigeon-hole is most frustrating.   G I've also experienced a propensity to spontaneous and unexplained loss   of postings!  J > password reset for some bizarre reason.  After a while, I take the hint.I > I've even reregistered hoping for more stable behavior.  No such luck.     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:32:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Just wondering , Message-ID: <4410C90E.8DD86131@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:E > Bill wrote software back when programmers worked at saving bits and G > such.  Intimate knowledge of the computer hardware was required to do  > so.   3 Nop. Bill played on computers programmed by others.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:14:26 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Just wondering . Message-ID: <Jp4Qf.135705$0G.45413@dukeread10>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:E >>Bill wrote software back when programmers worked at saving bits and G >>such.  Intimate knowledge of the computer hardware was required to do  >>so.  > 5 > Nop. Bill played on computers programmed by others.   $ He developed compilers in assembler.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:28:04 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Just wondering : Message-ID: <ZKWdnZP-Ie7Yb43ZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >>G >>> Bill wrote software back when programmers worked at saving bits and I >>> such.  Intimate knowledge of the computer hardware was required to do  >>> so.  >> >>6 >> Nop. Bill played on computers programmed by others. >  > & > He developed compilers in assembler. >  > Arne >   C One of Bill's first jobs was finding bugs in the O/S on a PDP10 (I  G believe).  His employer was not obligated to pay for the machine until  I the O/S was bug free.  He found so many bugs that machine never was paid   for!!!  F There are those who question whether he, or Microsoft, ever developed 3 anything really original but he did know computers!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:04:46 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Subject: Re: Just wondering / Message-ID: <pV6Qf.135725$0G.103148@dukeread10>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Arne Vajhj wrote:' >> He developed compilers in assembler.   H > There are those who question whether he, or Microsoft, ever developed 5 > anything really original but he did know computers!   7 There are a long story at http://voteview.com/gates.htm > (I do not know how accurate it is, but it is rather detailed).   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:20:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Mailbox Unit Number Range, Message-ID: <4410AA1F.E91B6266@teksavvy.com>   John Reagan wrote:I > I think it will be raised again to just below 64K in the future.  Going B > past 64K is a little harder since besides folks with 4 character    G OK, I have to ask. What sort of usage/applications would require such a C large number of mailboxes ? Or is it a case of mailbox number never 7 getting re-used once the largest number has been used ?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 17:57:34 -0500 . From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)& Subject: Re: Mailbox Unit Number Range, Message-ID: <ef8ReLMUGpAp@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > John Reagan wrote:J >> I think it will be raised again to just below 64K in the future.  GoingC >> past 64K is a little harder since besides folks with 4 character  > I > OK, I have to ask. What sort of usage/applications would require such a E > large number of mailboxes ? Or is it a case of mailbox number never 9 > getting re-used once the largest number has been used ?   I This change is not just for the mailbox driver; any driver can have units 7 in excess of 9999, assuming it's been properly updated.   A For those that care, there is the driver prologue table (DPT) bit J dpt$v_max_unit that is set if the driver is capable of handling large unitG numbers.  If that bit is set, then dpt$l_max_unit will hold the largest $ unit number that driver will handle.  I It may be, however, that no other driver is currently taking advantage of O the larger name space -- I think that DEC TCP/IP may allow larger unit numbers,  but am not sure.   --    L Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:07:07 -0500* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs , Message-ID: <441098ff$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J Paranoia.  I'm suprised you don't live somewhere in Montana with a tinfoil hat :-)    > E > 30 years ago you could buy a car without a radio. It was an option. K > 20 years ago you could buy a car without a tape player. It was an option. I > 10 years ago you could buy a car without a cd player. It was an option.   J You can buy cars without any of these options.  You just are not likely toI buy them off-the-lot because the number of people who want it that way is J approximately 0.  You can still get a stick on many cars, but aside from aJ handful of sporty cars, you probably have to order it too - because only a? handfull of us still even know how - or teach our children how.   : > Today you can buy a car without OnStar.  It's an option. >   H And it will remain so until A) the price falls so low it is silly to notI just include it and/or B) the vast majority of your customers won't buy a  car without it.   H I doubt you'll see it made standard equipment on anything but perhaps onB luxury cars.  Even then, I suspect you can order a car without it.    I > >                                 You have to have a degree of trust in  the J > > service if you buy it - you trust that it is only activated by someone in > > the car, > E > Whoy would you thnk that?  I have already provided an example of it J > being used without the knowledge or request of the occupants of the car.J > How many total strangers do you trust?  How many do you trust when thereB > is a chance they can profit from the information they may glean? >   K Many, just like you probably do all the time.  Did the kid at McDonalds put K rat poison in the shake?  Did the Pilot on your last flight have a drink or  two?  You can go on and on.   H In your example, clearly the police and very likely the owner of the carJ gave permission to access the car.  Not having the specific details of theH outcome, I'm guessing a quick arrest instead of a couple dead or missing kids.   J Frankly - if anyone can profit from a conversation held in *my* car - theyI are welcome to it.  It is right up there with ny concern about space junk G falling out of the sky on me.  There is some very unlikey odds it could 6 happen, but my odds of winning the lottery are higher.  L > >          or at the request of someone with the authority (the owner, the  > > police) to make the request. > J > But oyu have to trust that they will never violate this agreement?  What- > possible reason would I have to trust them?  >   L They are offering a paid for service, and I expect that the service contractK includes the conditions under which they might remotely access your system. H I'm pretty much guessing that your employer "trusts" you to do your job,G follow ethics guidelines, and work within the law.  If you don't - it's I unlikely you will be employable.  If OnStar or similar services abuse the E capablities - people will stop using their service and they go out of H business.  Frankly, its also the kind of thing that doesn't keep quiet -  there is always a whistleblower.  I > >                               Personally, if I didn't dislike most of  GM'sC > > cars so much - OnStar is a feature that I myself would pay for.  > > I > > Do you expose yourself to the risk of some potential loss of privacy?  Sure. C > > But we make those personal choices all the time - and this is a 	 *choice*.  > B > True, but things like OnStar are becoming more the norm than the
 exception.I > I remember when it was only available on things like Cadilac's.  Today, 1 > you can get it on almost anything.  Even SUV's.  >   H For a good reason.  Customers came in and said ("I am not or can't buy aE Seville, but if you had that OnStar thing on your car, I would buy it K instead of a Camry".  I myself said the same thing watching the commercials K for Cadillac (I would have to consider a Caddy before trading in my BMW for  a new one).   K > > For many people, especially where someone does a lot of driving alone - G > > OnStar or similar systems can relieve a lot of anxiety that is well  worth # > > the potential for privacy loss.  > G > It's all about trade-offs.  I don't see it that way.  And In the past  coupleG > of years I have made a number of trips up and down the east coast.  I  broke J > down and got a cell phone.  Gives me emergency communications (I used toL > rely on amateur radio for that) and it makes my family feel better becauseJ > they can contact me if needed.  But I control it.  I do not use it whileK > driving without my hands free headset and even with it I use it only when * > absolutely necesary.  And, I control it. >   K I don't have OnStar, and my BMW's are both about 8 years old and don't have H whatever the BMW equilavent is.  SO a cell phone is my emergency line asK well.  In Florida they are slowly starting to remove the emegency phones on H the expressways - every one has a cell phone - at least for emergencies.  L Nevertheless, the cell phone is much less capable than a system like OnStar.E Drive off the road into a water filled catch basin (a common thing in J Florida) - didn't have GPS on your phone or had it turned off - they won'tL find your body until the next dry season.  Knocked out from an accident or aL medical situation and then crash (and deploy the air bags)?  They'll get youK the paramedics - even if it happened on some lonely road north of Keene NH. J Need directions?  Yup - they do that.  Your daughter locked herself out ofJ the car 3 hours away at the beach?  They can open the door.  Don't want toK buy lowjack - OnStar has it.  5am and your 16 year old daughter hasn't come . home, and her cell phone isn't being answered?   > > H > > Hint: I would not buy a car without air bags and ABS.  Both of those systems K > > are redundant - seat belts for one, and ABS while a computer controlled K > > mechanism to vary braking pressure - doesn't disconnect the system from  the J > > emergency brake or making normal braking impossible in a failure mode. > K > Sorry, but I don't know of any way to be positively sure what the failure # > mode is.  And I don't trust them.   J You are doomed.  There are so many failure modes of so many things that weH take for granted every day, it may be time to head for that cabin in the woods.  % >I have no reason to believe that the L > Air Bag won't be accidentally deployed when I am driving on the DC BeltwayH > in bumper-to-bumper traffic at 70 MPH because there is a truck driving besideF > me with a radio transmitter and a "kicker".  I have more than enough personalK > RF experience to know this is a real possibility and no reason to believe ? > that the car manufacturer gave any consideratio to it at all.  >   J Sure, and the EMF from a nulcear explosion will probably interfere with itL too - just before you are turned into a crispy critter.  Since air bags haveH been standard equipment on pretty much everything for quite a while, you! should have some empirical proof.   J You are kind-of sounding like the guy who wants someone to run in front ofA their new-fangled automobile with a lantern to ward off the cows.    > > K > > Defensive driving, and "not hitting things" does not guarantee that you ! > > won't be hit by someone else.  > H > Defensive driving also involves avoiding those possibilities too.  You watch K > for idiots and avoid getting near them.  That's situational awareness and I > it is a part of defensive driving that too many people miss.  Primarily  those E > who think defensive driving means driving real slow and obstructing  traffic J > cause if you slow down the other guy it somehow makes him a safer driver too.J > The last two accidents I was involved in would have been made much worseJ > if either car had air bags.  One involved a deer and a minor impact on a small J > country road. If an air bag had deployed it would have prevented me fromJ > seeing or controling the car which would most likely have resulted in myJ > further impacting with a tree ot guard rail.  The other involved anotherH > driver hitting me in the right side and driving my car over the medianG > into oncoming traffic. I was able to get the car back over the median H > onto my own side of the road (even with the right front wheel missing)L > without any further impact.  If an air bag had deployed blocking my visionH > preventing my ability to steer the car (it does come out of the middleI > of the steering wheel) it would have been impossible to avoid a head-on & > collision with the oncoming traffic. >   E I know exactly what defensive driving is, and it isn't by any means a I guarantee you will never be in an accident.  Air bags are not designed to L deploy at speed - they deploy due to sudden decelleration.  So far, you haveI provided no proof that there is some design flaw that can trigger them at  speed.  I [So if you ever need a pacemaker, are you going to choose to die instead? I After all, someone might interfere with it while you are driving at 70mph 6 and cause you to lose control and kill someone *else*]  D > >                               ABS both provides shorter stopping	 distances @ > > on dry pavement, but also loss of control on slick surfaces. > H > I prefer to be the one who controls that.  I work with computers everyG > day.  I don't place that much trust in them.  And, as I said above, I I > have never seen (and would not be permitted to see) any of the firmware I > so I have no idea what the failure mode is.  It could just as easily be 2 > complete brake failure as un-assisted operation. >   B Ever seen the code in the Air Traffic Control system?  Do you fly?  J The parking brake remains a direct physical connection to the rear brakes.L Ever broken a brake line?  I have had it happen twice in my life on old cars5 (a 1965 Chevy Impala, and a 197(something) Fiat 128).   E > You can trust them all you want, I prefer to be much more selective  > about where I place my trust.  >   C Like I said, tinfoil hat and an undisclosed location in Montana :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 17:01:24 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs 3 Message-ID: <BNiP3q8bwZe3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <441098ff$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:   M > I don't have OnStar, and my BMW's are both about 8 years old and don't have ! > whatever the BMW equilavent is.   G From advertisements, I see the Acura (a Honda product) equivalent is...   
 ...OnStar.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 18:23:12 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs B Message-ID: <1141957392.522794.96940@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <YHaDwjRPkS9z@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:c > > In article <47arkdFef6d6U1@individual.net>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 0 > >> In article <440F8E46.E267A788@comcast.net>,: > >> 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > ) > >>> What level of control did you want?  > >>H > >> The ability to know, without a doubt, that they (meaning the OnStarK > >> control center) can not turn it on without my knowledge or permission. J > >> You did know thay can do that, right?  If not, lookon the web for theJ > >> news storay about OnStar turning on the microphone in a carjacked carJ > >> in order to report to police that the children who were int he car atO > >> the time of the carjacking were apparently still there and still unharmed. L > >> They were able to monitor conversations being conducted in the car, allF > >> with out the knowledge or any actionont he part of the occupants.  @ What? A criminal who carjacked a car with two kids in it had his privacy invaded? Horrors! ;-)    > > , > > That is scary.  I had not heard of that. > K > One of the biggest threats to personal privacy today is people's complete H > lack of understanding and still reliance on technology.  How about theG > female bank robber who was observed using a cellphone WHILE robbing a E > number of banks.  Now how hard do you thnk it was to coordinate the F > celltower records for that phone and identify the culprit.  Duh.....  ? Another horror story about a criminal being screwed by invasive  electronics.  F > I know people who turn off the GPS capability in their cellphone "soH > their movements can't be tracked."  Yeah, right.  And yet all the timeG > your phone is turned on there is a record of which celltowers can see I > it.  Hmmmm.....  What happens when you overlay this on a map.  Duh.....   @ Hmmmm... At work they gave me a Nextel i730 cell phone for voiceD communications and to get pages about systems problems. It has a GPSF feature. I could not get the damned GPS thing to work to save my life!   >  > > K > >>> ...and having someone else know your airbags have deployed might just  > >>> save your hide!  > >>H > >> I prefer to use the old fashined way and just avoid hitting things.  F But how to avoid things that hit you? You can evade in some cases, but certainly not all.   > > D > > I would _prefer_ that too, but I like the idea of a backup plan. > I > One has to weigh the advantages with the disadvantages,  I have and the I > risk is just too great.  The electronics in cars are not protected from I > and therefore very susceptable to EMF.  Do you know how much RF power a H > NY State Police car emits?  I'll give you a hint.  They were unable toH > teach them that the radio doesn't work well when they are parked underF > an overpass to get out of the summer sun so they just put amplifiersE > in all the cars.  I have had a passing police car transmiting cause H > my gas pedal to drop tot he floor because of the interference from theE > radio to my cruise control.  And we won't even get into the illegal 3 > radio equipment found in many trucks still today.   F Hmmm. You once trusted cruise control? I never liked it. The few timesC I tried it I always hated the feeling I got when I had to brake. It D felt like the car was going out of control. Obviously, others do notD have this problem. OTOH, I rarely drive anywhere that cruise control would even be useful!    >  > > > > >> Hint: I don't trust air bags or ABS brake systems either.  F The only problem I've heard about airbags (aside from killing childrenG in the front seat) was a story about a criminal being persued by a cop. F The criminal slammed on the brakes, the cop car hit his, and the cop'sE air bag deployed. But I strongly suspect that in the vast majority of D cases for the vast majority of drivers (and I mean VAST), if the airG bag deploys, you would have been dead meat without it and thus wouldn't E have been able to steer your way out of further trouble. Otherwise we ( would have heard more about such things.   > > D > > I don't trust any single mechanism, but I believe in redundancy. > F > See my comments above.  Oh yeah and I could add a few others to helpF > you buld confidence.  Ever own a British Car?  Ever hear the typical > British Car jokes? > = > What is Lucas Electric's nickname?  The Prince of Darkness. , > Why do British wives like Lucas electrics?@ >                           Get's their husbands in before dark. > 4 > Guess what Lucas does today?  ABS systems.     :-) > E > May sound like a ludite, but I even removed the electronic ignition F > from my MG in favor of a good old fashioned points ignition.  I haveB > to actually do periodic tune-ups, but the trade off is worth it.  E Never had a problem with electronic ignition. However, I did love the G little window in the distributor cap in GM cars that let you adjust the C dwell with the engine running. The rule of thumb was something like < this: turn the allen wrench (I forget if it was clockwise orC counter...) until the engine just starts to miss. Then back off 180  deg. and your done!   D EMF notwithstanding, it seems to me that electronic ignition is more	 reliable.    >  > > A > > Perhaps it would be simple to put a switch on the microphone.  > ? > I doubt you can get any access inside the box at all.  And it B > wouldn't mean the box wasn't still sending data on you to peopleB > who have no business knowing it.  GPS?  How many times does yourD > car show up in the parking lot of the Lowes?  WalMart?  Appleby's?D > All valuable personal information to someone that you would likelyF > not give out freely if you had the choice.  Technology can be a good= > thing.  Trusting that it will not be abused is a bad thing.   % Yes, but you can take things too far.    >  > bill [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:28:33 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs 9 Message-ID: <9dqdnY2sIdl-fo3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@libcom.com>    FredK wrote:L > Paranoia.  I'm suprised you don't live somewhere in Montana with a tinfoil	 > hat :-)   , Anything can be abused, not just technology.  I What good is technology if it doesn't serve us and make our lives better?   H I don't need to speak for OnStar, the GM advertising does that job very L well.  It uses (so they say) actual experiences.  They speak for themselves.  B It depresses me when those who work with technology argue against E technology.  I just don't understand those who don't trust their own  < work.  (That's a general reference to work, not individual.)  E The goal we should work toward is not to distrust technology, but to  = increase how it can help people, and to guard against misuse.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:38:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS proves superior to all other OSs / Message-ID: <oemdnZdFes6_e43ZRVn-tg@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > J >>down and got a cell phone.  Gives me emergency communications (I used toL >>rely on amateur radio for that) and it makes my family feel better because3 >>they can contact me if needed.  But I control it.  >  >  > J > As soon as your phone is turned on, the network provider can track you.  > H > Heck, there are commercial services in the UK where one can request to@ > track another phone. They send an SMS to that phone asking forF > authorisation. And then, the requestor gets to see on a map the live? > location of that phone, with points recorded every X minutes.  >   > BBC "Click Online" tested it.  > I > person1 to person2:  "Can I borrow your phone for a minute ?".  Person1 I > calls person3 who makes the request on the web. Person1 answers the SMS E > and deletes it. Person1 hands phone to person2 with a "Thank you".  0 > Person3 can then track person2 for a full day.  D Maybe treat your phone the wayI tell people to treat their personal A computers, "It's personal, just like your toothbrush.  Loan your  2 phone/PC to anyone you'd loan your toothbrush to."  I > The problem is that people do not understand the technology and thus do E > not have the imagination to see how that technology can be misused. G > Criminals and police have that imagination. In many countries, police 6 > have free reigns on using/misusing such technology.  > G > And while one country can have good privacy and liberties one day, it J > can still turn into a police state rather quickly, at which point all foG > the installed technology becomes its tentacles for "total information J > awareness". And there is a big example in the world right now where thisI > has happened and the people have not revolted against such police state 2 > policies and in fact re-elected that government.  < It's happening, and it's none of your business, so butt out!  G > If GM were to make a TV ad during primetime telling all OnStar owners G > that the police could listen in to any care they way at any time, how 7 > many people would rip off the system from their car ?   F Now there you go again with your stories.  Do you have proof that the I poloce are listening to all the OnStar users?  In the example gigen, I'm  F thinking the owners were begging the police to listen is and find the < children.  I'll also bet GM has some sort of privacy policy.  J > People love those systems because the marketing make it look like benign9 > and a great thing, without showing the risks of abuse.    9 Any perceived risks do not do away with the helpful uses.   ? > The problem is that anyone who points out the dangers of such B > technololgy is labeled a kook and told to wear his tin foil hat,  D No, people who point out such in a helpful way are labeled helpful. F People who shout "the sky is falling" and tell you not to use helpful  technology are labeled kooks.    > and F > that technology takes roots. Then it moves on to some new technologyH > where naysayers are also kabeled dismissed as kooks and that technolgyG > becomes accepted without people considering that those kooks actually  > have a point.  > J > Bit by bit, people and implicitely accepting to lose privacy, freedom byG > refusing to accept that new technology can be misused by authorities.   E It may be misused by others also.  The goal is to use technology and   prevent misuse.   H If you don't like technology, why are you using computers?  Why are you B communicating on this forum, where others can track your activity?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:30:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle + Message-ID: <4410C8A8.B841289@teksavvy.com>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:@ > it is terribly frustrating that it's taken Oracle this long (IA > mean, really, it should only take a few weeks to re-compile and A > test the Alpha version of Oracle and release it for Integrity - 1 > why is it taking Oracle over a year and a half?     E Hadn't there been some statement a few years ago (probably before the G alpha manslaughter) that Oracle had promised to release VMS versions in " synch with the rest of the world ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 02:46:40 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0903062146400001@user-uinj41s.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <UG+S3RpqluUN@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:  D >In article <1141874940.490549.10790@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, / >   "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> writes:  >  >> Malcolm its coming. >>   > A >   Thanks. I'm still hopeful I'll see it within a few months but ? >it is terribly frustrating that it's taken Oracle this long (I @ >mean, really, it should only take a few weeks to re-compile and@ >test the Alpha version of Oracle and release it for Integrity -  D You have absolutely no idea what is involved in building and testing  Oracle Server.  It isn't pretty.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 19:24:01 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle C Message-ID: <1141961041.258918.255670@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Robert Deininger wrote:   F > You have absolutely no idea what is involved in building and testing" > Oracle Server.  It isn't pretty.  C I've used/installed/managed Oracle on VMS since V4.0.8.  It's never  been pretty. :-P  F Beginning with Oracle 8iR2 they promised that the VMS version would beF no more than 90-days behind the first UNIX version of each release.  IG think the closest they have ever come was with 8iR2 which was somewhere D between 120 and 180 days after.  10gR1 just made it out about a yearG after the first release in other platforms.  9.2.0.5 is the latest 9iR2 A version for VMS (first released well over a year ago, almost two) D while everyone else is at 9.2.0.8.  Clearly it's harder to port than9 they thought or else the demand just isn't strong enough.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 21:39:19 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle , Message-ID: <r$luriYn5qFx@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  M In article <rdeininger-0903062146400001@user-uinj41s.dialup.mindspring.com>,  <      rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > F > You have absolutely no idea what is involved in building and testing" > Oracle Server.  It isn't pretty.  *    Please enlighten us, why is it so ugly?  @    I'm going on the assumption that the code shouldn't need muchA modification moving from Alpha to IA64 - it's just user-mode code @ isn't it? I would expect some substantial testing but I'd assume9 that Oracle has tools that automate much of that testing.   C    It doesn't seem to take them over a year to build and test a new B version for Windows or Linux - and that's moving between operating? systems where there would presumably be substantial work to do.   > They have a version that works on IA64 under Linux, so one has= to assume there aren't any architectural showstoppers related  to the processor itself.  B    Of course anyone who's installed Oracle knows how long it takes@ to build, you have to do it every time you install a new version or a patch.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 23:33:35 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: Re: Samba (VMS Roadmap), Message-ID: <duqe0f024ig@enews4.newsguy.com>  8 John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> wrote:F > This is not an official statement, for specific information, please & > contact lawrence.woodcome(at)hp.com.  L Well, it's not like I can supported customer, so I'd say this information is good enough for me.   B > The Samba V3 product is likely to have dependencies on features ( > introduced with OpenVMS 8.2 and later.  L This is what I was afraid of.  I was really hoping for that it would supportI at least back to 7.3-2.  One of these days I'm going to have to look into 
 upgrading.  C > Primarily I would expect that the focus will be on the currently  D > shipping and supported versions of OpenVMS on Integrity and Alpha.  I > The upcoming evaluation release is a bare-bones implementation that is  I > mostly just compiling the UNIX source and doing the minimum to make it  K > functional on OpenVMS so that HP can get some feedback on what customers  & > would want in the supported release.  K One thing that should really be tested is connectivity between Mac OS X and K OpenVMS.  This is one of the key problems I'm aware of with the 2.2.8 Samba  kit that's available.    		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 17:02:19 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades3 Message-ID: <QFeTs0R$i3la@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <1141943218.890464.45190@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: 7 > My key question is - who would buy blades to run VMS?   I Someone who wants a compact cluster and has no need for a multiprocessor.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:55:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades, Message-ID: <4410DC79.1F3C1CCD@teksavvy.com>   Ian Miller wrote:  > 7 > My key question is - who would buy blades to run VMS?   > HP stated that IA64 blade units would fit into real 8086 bladeF enclosures. So if you already have your main 8086 blade mainframe, you$ can add one or two VMS nodes easily.  E Similarly, you can build a neat VMS cluster on a blade enclosure that H doesn't take up much space and have high speed access to the disk array.E This allows you to build a high availability "system" in a very small  amount of space.   ------------------------------    Date: 09 Mar 2006 16:32:24 -05003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> 6 Subject: Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?. Message-ID: <mddslpr5mon.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  " "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:  G > Now where is that thing for trimming the ends of mag tape? Here it is F > next to my extensive collection of thinwire ethernet terminators :-)  M Got an extra trimmer?  I'm still working with 9-track tapes all the time, and  we don't have one.  M I'm tired of creasing the tip of a trimmed tape with a pocketknife blade. :-(    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Mar 2006 19:26:24 -0800 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 6 Subject: Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?C Message-ID: <1141961184.812467.261580@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Rich Alderson wrote:$ > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: > I > > Now where is that thing for trimming the ends of mag tape? Here it is H > > next to my extensive collection of thinwire ethernet terminators :-) > O > Got an extra trimmer?  I'm still working with 9-track tapes all the time, and  > we don't have one. > O > I'm tired of creasing the tip of a trimmed tape with a pocketknife blade. :-(  >  > --N > Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |N > news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |N > "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |N >                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |  C I just bought a 9-track drive. I could use one of those gizmos too.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:13:23 +0100& From: "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com>% Subject: Re: XMI-1 on XMI-2 bus - NOT < Message-ID: <b3dab$44108c83$513b818b$27867@news.versatel.nl>  7 "Ian King" <iking@killthewabbit.org> schreef in bericht 5 news:4409ba89$0$56209$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net...  > H Vlems wrote:; > > "Ian King" <iking@killthewabbit.org> schreef in bericht 9 > > news:4408ea61$0$56217$ae4e5890@news.nationwide.net...  > > J > >>I finally got my VAX 6660 into the house, I finally got the 220v wiredL > >>correctly for it, and I fired it up.  Lights flashed on, fans started upH > >>and I was elated - for about ten seconds.  Lights went off, but fans > >>stayed running.  > >>K > >>After poking around a bit, I see that LED 8 on the H7206B is lit (as is L > >>the +14v indicator).  According to the documentation, this means there'sL > >>an "XMI-1 module in XMI-2 card cage".  I've checked carefully, and ain'tC > >>no such thing; there's a DWMBB, CIXCD and DEMNA, along with six J > >>processors and four memory boards.  Also, the DWMBB's red LED comes onI > >>before the power goes out.  I tried pulling the DWMBB and starting it * > >>up, but I got exactly the same result. > >>K > >>Do I just have a bad DWMBB?  Or might there be something else going on? J > >>  Anyone know exactly what this indicator means?  What's it measuring? > >>7 > >>Thanks for any advice you can offer.  Cheers -- Ian  > >> > >>--    > >>It's not junk, it's history!( > >>iking (@t) kill the wabbit (d.t) org > >  > > E > > Remove all boards except one cpu and one memory and try again. If  they're J > > both alright then you should be able to use the serial console and runL > > diagnostics. Add peripheral boards one by one. Did you reseat all boards > > before powering up?  > >  > >  > > Hans > >  > >  > Hans,  > I > Thanks for your reply.  Yes, reseated everything, including both boards E > and cables.  I also tried your suggestion, and got the same result. C > Just to be sure it wasn't a bad proc or memory card, I even tried F > different cards as the "one of each" - no joy.  If I press the resetH > button on the H7206B, the lights come back on briefly (a few seconds),H > then they go away again and LED 8 is still shining.  I have a VT420 on > the console port - nothing.  > I > At this point I begin to wonder if it's likely a problem in the H7206B, J > not the XMI cage.  Anyone have experience with this?  Or am I headed in,% > logic analyzer at hand?  TIA -- Ian  >  > --   > It's not junk, it's history!& > iking (@t) kill the wabbit (d.t) org  L Ian, was there still a BI cage in the 6660? If so, did you remove the BI-XMI interface board as well?I But I think the 6600's came without a BI bus, so yes, a power supply is a  good place to start checking...   
 Good luck, Hans   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.137 ************************