1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 11 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 139       Contents:I Re: Advanced Server Share Access is "VERY SLOW" Can Anyone Help Me Out??? 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 2 Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums DNS zone file max version limit # Re: DNS zone file max version limit ) Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit , Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure, Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure Re: Just wondering Re: Just wondering. Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500. Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500. Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500. Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500. Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 Re: MASS-11 Software; Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server? ? Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?  Re: Press releases from Oracle Problem with Notes V2.5 E Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) Meeting I Re: Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) Meeting P Re: Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) Meeting Meetin  Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet- Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades - Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:15:15 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>R Subject: Re: Advanced Server Share Access is "VERY SLOW" Can Anyone Help Me Out???0 Message-ID: <1213ngtorhrbq7b@corp.supernews.com>  & "Len" <len@psds.com> wrote in message = news:1141929327.889354.268490@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... G > Great News!!! With the help of Paul Nunez at HP we were able to solve  > our problem. > 
 > Resolution:  > B > Upgrading form ADV-SRV 7.2 to Version 7.3. We also increased theE > MAX_SMB_DATA_SIZE within Advanced Server for 4K to 8K. After making B > these two changes Advanced Server is actually FASTER that SAMBA. > G > Again, many thanks to Pual and all of you who tried to help with this 
 > problem. > 
 > Len Whitwer  >  > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc     Thanks for posting the solution.! It helped tremendously here, too. - Users are very, very happy now (and me too) !    Syltrem    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 14:35:52 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>> Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS HobbyistsC Message-ID: <1142030152.667584.267810@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hunter, A        this is absolutely fantastic.  I've been trying to get our F customers who use VMS and TCPIP services for mail to consider PMDF forF years... Now I can run it at home for my two-domain hobby network mailG and learn all the good stuff needed to really press the issue when they : complain about the limitations of the HP-supplied product.  C      I'm getting a DS10-L in, hopefully soon, from Island's sale to E replace my very large, hot, power hungry AS600 webserver.  As soon as 5 its in and I can get it hobby-licensed, PMDF is next!   C Rich (who was probably the first one to pester you about a hobbyist * version when Process first acquired PMDF).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:43:00 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>> Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists0 Message-ID: <12147sfdsdf3s19@corp.supernews.com>   Hunter Goatley wrote: C > Process Software is pleased to announce that PMDF and PreciseMail D > Anti-Spam have been added to the Process Software OpenVMS HobbyistF > program.  They join the Process Software products MultiNet, TCPware,D > and Purveyor as being freely available to OpenVMS Hobbyists with a > valid VMS Hobbyist license.  > ? > Information about PMDF and PMAS can be found on our web site:  >  > http://www.process.com/  > E > Hobbyist license PAKs for all of the products can be requested from @ > our OpenVMS Hobbyist page, accessible from the OpenVMS Center: > ! > http://www.process.com/openvms/   H Couple of weeks ago I would have suggested such a hobbyist announcement F be placed at ITRC to catch those who don't lurk in this forum for one  reason or another.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:37:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists+ Message-ID: <44124613.B1B2FEA2@comcast.net>    Mark Daniel wrote: >  > Hunter Goatley wrote: E > > Process Software is pleased to announce that PMDF and PreciseMail F > > Anti-Spam have been added to the Process Software OpenVMS HobbyistH > > program.  They join the Process Software products MultiNet, TCPware,F > > and Purveyor as being freely available to OpenVMS Hobbyists with a > > valid VMS Hobbyist license.  > > A > > Information about PMDF and PMAS can be found on our web site:  > >  > > http://www.process.com/  > > G > > Hobbyist license PAKs for all of the products can be requested from B > > our OpenVMS Hobbyist page, accessible from the OpenVMS Center: > > # > > http://www.process.com/openvms/  > I > Couple of weeks ago I would have suggested such a hobbyist announcement G > be placed at ITRC to catch those who don't lurk in this forum for one  > reason or another.  4 Should be on OpenVMS.org, also, if it isn't already.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 17:57:24 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums C Message-ID: <1142042244.075985.237490@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   F Outside the US they are done country by country as I hear about them IE will post them here and send via email (at least do my best).  I know A most countries have done at least one round of workshops.  We are D planing one doing a workshop without the machine the week before the
 boot camp.   Warm regards as always,  Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:15:39 -0500 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> ( Subject: DNS zone file max version limit0 Message-ID: <1142018094.370685@nntp.acecape.com>  @ I want to keep more than the latest version of a bind zone file.@ A dir/full of the zone file says "No version limit" but there is0 always only the latest version of the zone file.  @ what os doing the zone file purge being done and how can i force# it to retain more than one version.   2 OpenVMS V7.2-1, Compaq TCP/IP Version V5.1 - ECO 5  	 thank you  sol    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:27:58 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> , Subject: Re: DNS zone file max version limit/ Message-ID: <2uudnfroltODhI_ZRVn-pg@libcom.com>    sol gongola wrote:B > I want to keep more than the latest version of a bind zone file.B > A dir/full of the zone file says "No version limit" but there is2 > always only the latest version of the zone file. > B > what os doing the zone file purge being done and how can i force% > it to retain more than one version.  > 4 > OpenVMS V7.2-1, Compaq TCP/IP Version V5.1 - ECO 5 >  > thank you  > sol   I Just to cover the basics, is that the only file with only one version in  E the directory?  Is the directory set up with version limits?  Is the    file set up with version limits?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:16:24 -0500 % From: "Chris Moore" <no.one@no.where> 2 Subject: Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit9 Message-ID: <mFoQf.5077$xM2.388006@news20.bellglobal.com>   ? "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message  & news:dcFAdFroikmP@malvm9.mala.bc.ca...E > In article <1142007773.985265.315150@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, % >  "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:  > E >> Usually with the PCSI kits you have to install them seperatly from E >> other kits. I normally install the PCSI kit, log out, log in, then  >> install other kits. > B >  OK, that may be it. However I did the comparable thing ( latestB > PCSI kit and latest VMS UPDATE kit simultaneously ) on VMS 7.3-2B > and on VMS 8.2-1 Integrity and didn't see the error on either of > those platforms.  H PCSI kit usually implies either new functionality or a bug in published H behaviour required for further updates.  I would always presume that it J should be installed and a log out/in performed before doing anything else.  L (your previous experience may just have been "the luck of the draw" in that I the UPDATE install on those versions may not have required the specifics   addressed by the PCSI kit)     ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 14:26:34 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure 3 Message-ID: <qpGvjp5qqUHh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <1141996861.145045@nntp.acecape.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: > pcoviello@gmail.com wrote:J >> Sol, I'm not sure I want to tackle that one... if I did I would want to= >> keep it all together in one com... would there be a way to I >> quantify what I want by doing something like the dir if it is .txt ftp = >> as ascii else ftp as binary... it is probably to simple...  >>  	 >> thanks  >> Paul  >>  % > Not sure if the quetes are neeeded:  > , > $ pipe dir/nohead/sel=file=(nodir,nodev) -1     /since=ddd-mm-yyyy/before=ddd-mm-yyyy *.txt -      | @sendthefiles /ASCII  J When invoking a DCL command procedure, you are not allowed to have a slash7 as the first character in the first parameter.  Try it.    $ @sendthefiles /asciiO %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement   G Of course, this is easy enough to work around.  Just null out the first ! parameter and put /ASCII into P2:    $ @sendthefiles "" /ascii    > in dcl script:H > $ else copy/ftp'p1' 'name' servername"userid pasword"::"c:\serverdir\"   Change this to 'p2', of course.   F I'm not familiar enough with the ins and outs of copy/ftp to know whatH the rules are for sticky defaulting of destination file names on systemsF that don't support sticky defaulting of destination file names.  HenceG the code that I posted to explicitly put file name and extension in the  destination file spec.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 13:20:23 -08001 From: "pcoviello@gmail.com" <pcoviello@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure C Message-ID: <1142025623.274070.319890@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: X > In article <1141996861.145045@nntp.acecape.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: > > pcoviello@gmail.com wrote:L > >> Sol, I'm not sure I want to tackle that one... if I did I would want to? > >> keep it all together in one com... would there be a way to K > >> quantify what I want by doing something like the dir if it is .txt ftp ? > >> as ascii else ftp as binary... it is probably to simple...  > >> > >> thanks 	 > >> Paul  > >>' > > Not sure if the quetes are neeeded:  > > . > > $ pipe dir/nohead/sel=file=(nodir,nodev) -3 >     /since=ddd-mm-yyyy/before=ddd-mm-yyyy *.txt -  >     | @sendthefiles /ASCII > L > When invoking a DCL command procedure, you are not allowed to have a slash9 > as the first character in the first parameter.  Try it.  >  > $ @sendthefiles /asciiQ > %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement  >    yup this did fail!  E but I put the "" around it and it sent the files I'm assuming it sent 0 it in the right context... I know foolish me :-)  I > Of course, this is easy enough to work around.  Just null out the first # > parameter and put /ASCII into P2:  >  > $ @sendthefiles "" /ascii  >  > > in dcl script:J > > $ else copy/ftp'p1' 'name' servername"userid pasword"::"c:\serverdir\" > ! > Change this to 'p2', of course.  >  worth trying    H > I'm not familiar enough with the ins and outs of copy/ftp to know whatJ > the rules are for sticky defaulting of destination file names on systemsH > that don't support sticky defaulting of destination file names.  HenceI > the code that I posted to explicitly put file name and extension in the  > destination file spec.  B I'd love to have a P3 for a dir name in the copy/ftp string but it didn't like it... F I also need to automatically delete the files once they are moved over too... someday it will be done :-)    you guys have been great   thanks Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:05:59 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure + Message-ID: <44123E97.1C8B5328@comcast.net>    "pcoviello@gmail.com" wrote: > H > ok I made  the changes but still not picking up the dates and it still > doesn't like les :-) > F > yes I know about /modified and I verified that I have the same files+ > with and without it, just in case, thanks   : Well, o.k., but the piece I think you may be missing this:  D $ DIRECTORY/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL/MODIFIED/SINCE=start_date/BEFORE=end_date  , ...will produce a list of files in the form:   ddcu:<dir>filespec1.ext;vers ddcu:<dir>filespec2.ext;vers ddcu:<dir>filespec3.ext;vers  ' For example, from my little Alpha here:   4 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ directoryx/nohead/notrail l*.com; DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LC.COM;1 DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LGICMD.COM;5 DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LGICMD_1.COM;1  DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LGICMD_SEG.COM;1 DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LINK_WGET.COM;1  DKA0:[DDACHTERA]LOGIN.COM;1   E That appears to do what you want without re-inventing so many wheels.   F Just iron out your date prompting code, use the entered date to selectE the correct subdirectory (if I understood your earlier post), and use F DIRECTORY to produce the actual listing. Redirect the output to a diskH file using either /OUTPUT or "PIPE command > filespec", and then massage= that into a series of GET or PUT commands for the FTP client.    Yet another approach:    FTP_LIST.COM  
 $ SET NOON $READ_PIPE:  $ READ/END=EOF_PIPE SYS$PIPE P9  $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "PUT ", P9  $ GOTO READ_PIPE
 $EOF_PIPE: $ EXIT   $ PIPE -; 	DIRECTORY/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL/MOD/SIN=start_date/BEF=end_date -  		ddcu:<dir>filespec.ext | - 	(WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "BIN" ; - 	 @FTP_LIST ; -  	 WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "QUIT") | -@ 	FTP node.domain.tld/USER=username/PASS=password/INPUT=SYS$PIPE:   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:08:47 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>5 Subject: Re: file list for ftp in a command procedure + Message-ID: <44123F3F.B5C7F863@comcast.net>    sol gongola wrote: >  > pcoviello@gmail.com wrote:G > > I haven't meant to babble really,  I didn't realize that there were J > > other ways to get these messages... I just thought google groups wouldF > > be seen thru the web page... all along it seems as though my inputH > > dates are ignored... I have changed the com back to the original wayF > > like you have above and ran it again... and here is the results... > > ? > > and thank you for the explanation about the single quote...  > >  > > Paul > > . > > $ @PHCLAIMTEST.COM 01-oct-2005 01-nov-2005 > > $!0 > > $! P1 = start date in the dd-mmm-yyyy format. > > $! P2 = end date in the dd-mmm-yyyy formatE > > $! P3 = month to be processed (name of subdirectory on target FTP  > > server)  > > $! > > $!@ > > $ IF P1 .eqs. "" then inquire P1 "What do you want P1 to be"6 > > $ start_date = f$cvtime(P1, "comparison", "date" )@ > > $ IF P2 .eqs. "" then inquire P2 "What do you want P2 to be"4 > > $ end_date = f$cvtime(P2, "comparison", "date" ) > > $! > > $ any_files = "FALSE"  > > $ loop: % > > $       file = f$search ( "*.*" ) / > > $       if file .eqs. "" then goto end_loop 9 > > $       file_date = f$file_attributes ( file, "RDT" ) D > > $       file_date = f$cvtime ( file_date, "comparison", "date" )0 > > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and.K > > %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and operands ' > >            file_date .les. end_date J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > >  \2006\  > > $       thenD > > %DCL-E-INVIFNEST, invalid IF-THEN-ELSE nesting structure or data > > inconsistency  > > $  > >  > W > OK it is a syntax problem. You need a continue character to continue a dcl statement. * > Put ot all on a single line or try this: > 0 > $       if file_date .ges. start_date  .and. -' >              file_date .les. end_date   H You'll want to consider using parentheses to make sure things happen the way you expect:   0 $       if (file_date .ges. start_date)  .and. -(               (file_date .les. end_date)    E I know, the order of precedence is documented. I just like to be sure : that what I told it to do is what's most likely to happen.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:32:48 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: Just wondering ( Message-ID: <dusnpg$ipj$1@pcls4.std.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:  D >I wonder how many top exec at HP have a VMS system in their house?? >Image if a top A >HP offical came out and said "For both office and home use I use 	 >OpenVMS"  >Just thinking!!!  >phillip  A Hahahah!  Thanks for the laugh, but it's not April Fools Day yet. E If VMS ever got owned by a company which had a top officer liking VMS F enough to use it, that company certainly wouldn't ignore VMS to death.; So the answer to that question is certainly a big fat Zero.   G I think corporate bigwigs that didn't become bigwigs by helping found a J successful technical company only use computers for applications that helpG them run their company.  Ones who have founded a company (Ken Olsen, or J those who founded Google) probably do/did but probably quickly became too ! busy to play with computers much.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:30:04 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Just wondering + Message-ID: <4412443C.14B8755B@comcast.net>    FredK wrote: > N > Tell you what, next time you get together for cigars and scotch with the topK > 500 CEO's why not ask?  We are speculating about the habits and styles of C > people who would expect most of us to open the car door for them.   F ...which case they can do what Tom Hanks's character said in "A League+ of Their Own" as he "waved his little hat".   G These guys put their slacks on one leg at a time, just like the rest of  us. Too bad, so sad.  D Respect, like trust, is earned - not bestowed. Pulling in an obscene3 salary means little or nothing in that regard, IMO.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:43:40 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 ( Message-ID: <ops57qe2b0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On 10 Mar 2006 12:16:53 -0600, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>   wrote:  F > In article <44116D3A.12286.EE73077@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle"  " > <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:, >> On 10 Mar 2006 at 9:06, Tom Linden wrote:. >>> > I've written up all the gory details at:& >>> >  http://www.stanq.com/cable.html >>>  >>> Empty page.  >> >> Sorry -- it's fixed now.  > : > Ok, I guess the fixed one is the one with the errors :-)  $ I think you found a time wormhole:-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:58:52 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>7 Subject: Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 2 Message-ID: <0UkQf.4491$st1.2876@news.cpqcorp.net>  2 two good pages for old crufty stuff like this are:  / http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/padapters.html    and   1 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html    -warren     0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message, news:FTiQf.4472$Ib1.3855@news.cpqcorp.net...B > In article <2006031014550916807-gjparker@lboroacuk>, Gary Parker  <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk> writes:J > :The machine in question is a VAX 4000-500 with a KA680 CPU module in itE > :and has the MMJ DECnet type connector for the serial console. I've B > :searched this ng and Google'd and been totally overwhelmed withG > :differing opinions and methods for creating a cable that will simply ? > :allow me to plug the thing into a DB-9 serial port on my PC.  > E >   Google didn't find the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions and the C >   DEC MMJ Pin-out?   That's odd.   So I can improve the FAQ, what B >   did you search for?  (With that, I'll add those strings to the@ >   relevent section of the FAQ, and make it easier to find it.) > D >   There's a picture of the connector there, and the pin numbering,/ >   and the BC16-E wiring.  Here's the section:  >  >  > 9 >           14.26  Looking for connector wiring pin-outs?  > G >                    The DECconnect DEC-423 Modified Modular Jack (MMJ) J >                    appears similar to a telphone or network modular jac,K >                    though with the key offset to one side. The DECconnect K >                    MMJ connector pin-out is listed in Table 14-5, with an L >                    end-on view of the connector pins and the connector key! >                    shown below.  > L >           ________________________________________________________________' >           Table 14-5  DEC MMJ Pin-out  > L >                    _______________________________________________________L >                    Pin_____Description____________________________________ > 6 >                    1       Data Terminal Ready (DTR) > + >                    2       Transmit (TXD)  > 3 >                    3       Transmit Ground (TXD-)  >  >  > 2 >                    4       Receive Ground (RXD-) > * >                    5       Receive (RXD) > L >           _________6_______Data_Set_Ready_(DSR)___________________________ > # >              +------------------+ # >              | 1  2  3  4  5  6 | # >              +------------+    ++ " >                           +____+ > F >                    The BC16E-nn (where the "-nn" indicates the cableI >                    length) cabling and keying "flips over" or "crosses- K >                    over" the signal wires, and this allows all DECconnect I >                    MMJ connections to be wired identically; the ends of I >                    the BC16E are symmetrical and fully interchangeable, G >                    and allows either end of the cable to be connected I >                    either to the terminal or to the host. Specifically, D >                    the BC16E-nn cross-over wiring looks like this: > 9 >                   Terminal                         Host 8 >                   MMJ                              MMJ > ; >                DTR 1 --->---------->----------->--- 6 DSR ; >                TXD 2 --->---------->----------->--- 5 RXD 7 >                    3 ------------------------------ 4 7 >                    4 ------------------------------ 3 ; >                RXD 5 ---<----------<-----------<--- 2 TXD ; >                DSR 6 ---<----------<-----------<--- 1 DTR  > H >                    DECconnect parts and connections are available fromH >                    HP, and MMJ crimping dies for use in typical telco-L >                    style crimping tools, and MMJ connectors, are availableJ >                    from Blackbox and from other communications equipment >                    vendors.  > K >                    The PC-compatible DB9 connector pin-out found on Alpha J >                    and Integrity COM serial ports-and on most PC systems- >                    is listed in Table 14-6.  > H >   The H8571-J connector adapts from the BC16E to the PC DB9 connector,D >   and there are also pinouts for the PC DB9 in the FAQ.  There areK >   wiring-level diagrams of many of the DECconnect connectors and adapters J >   available at http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/wizard/, and at other sites.H >   The H8571-J is the one you want here.  *Not* the H8571-B nor H8575-B> >   adapters, as these connect to the old MicroVAX DB9 pinout. > J >   The FAQ also has a pointer over to Stanley Quayle's wiring and cabling3 >   web page; at <http://www.stanq.com/cable.html>.  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 4 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- I >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:03:11 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>7 Subject: Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 . Message-ID: <4411B14F.26119.FF11A53@localhost>  + On 10 Mar 2006 at 17:31, Gary Parker wrote: C > Stan> That web page is great, it'll probably come in useful for a  > great many other things, too.   D Of all the pages on my web site, it's visited the most -- even more  than the CHARON-VAX web page.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:09:45 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>7 Subject: Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 + Message-ID: <47eiqaFfdvt2U1@individual.net>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:- > On 10 Mar 2006 at 17:31, Gary Parker wrote:  > C >>Stan> That web page is great, it'll probably come in useful for a  >>great many other things, too.  >  > F > Of all the pages on my web site, it's visited the most -- even more  > than the CHARON-VAX web page.  >   " Presumably when it's not empty :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:08:26 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>7 Subject: Re: Making Up A Console Cable For VAX 4000-500 0 Message-ID: <8cWdnQCEMsFEiI_ZRVn-sg@bresnan.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Gary Parker wrote: > J >> Hi guys, I finally got my hands on some real VAX hardware to play with F >> and have hit an immediate stumbling block, namely the console port. >>H >> The machine in question is a VAX 4000-500 with a KA680 CPU module in I >> it and has the MMJ DECnet type connector for the serial console. I've  C >> searched this ng and Google'd and been totally overwhelmed with  H >> differing opinions and methods for creating a cable that will simply ? >> allow me to plug the thing into a DB-9 serial port on my PC.  >>% >> I found these cables at Black Box:  >> http://www.blackbox.co.uk/solutions/display.asp?cs=min&id=1&doc=evaad-0010&tx=Infrastructure%20Cabling&sx=Copper%20Patch%20Cables   >> >> >> I'mH >> guessing that if I buy one of these, hack one end off and replace it G >> with a DB-9 male plug I'll be able to hook it up to my PC or sparc,  I >> but do I need the DEC 423 MMJ cable or the MMJ straight-pinned cable?  E >> I'm guessing the DEC cable will act as a null-modem (what I want,  G >> right?) and the straight cable does exactly what it says on the tin.  >>I >> I know I could just buy an MMJ connector and some use some CAT5 cable  D >> to make one of these cables up myself but the crimp tool for MMJ I >> connectors costs more than this cable and I can't see myself using it   >> more than once. >>" >> Thanks in advance for any help. >> >> Gary  >> > K > Where are you located?  I've got the tools.  I've done cables before for  % > hobbyists for the cost of shipping.  >   G Just to support you, your cables that you made for me worked correctly. D What I found out about a 4000vlc is that if they are off for over a E year, the memory test takes quite a while to complete the first time  # around.  After that they work good.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:31:59 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MASS-11 Software + Message-ID: <441244AF.58520522@comcast.net>    Maarten van Breemen wrote: >  > What version do you need? M > I have the vmsinstal savesets for Mass-11 version 8.6 on TK50 and can still  > read them.  H Consider burning them to CD while you still can, and while CDs are still read by DVD/CD drives.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:04:47 GMT  From: d_gillbilly@hotmail.com D Subject: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?8 Message-ID: <l7j3129omcecmlq0v6tsovp4o0hdgj1uq6@4ax.com>   Hello fellow VMS users,   B   I have been tasked to identify an annoying problem that we have B with our distribution procedures. The problem appeared to be that @ BACKUP would add too many files to a kit. The specific question G was, "Why does BACKUP/SINCE sometimes find more files than DIR/SINCE?".   =   Reading how /SINCE works with both DIRECTORY and BACKUP, I  C discovered that, by default, BACKUP uses the revision/modification  D date of a file and that by adding the /CREATED qualifier, this wouldD solve the problem. But this led me to the question, "What causes the$ revision date on a file to change?".  ?    Further research has caused me to find that there are files  E scattered all over the system that have higher than expected revision D numbers (as reported by f$FILE_ATTRIBUTES(file_spec, "RVN")). These B same files all have revision dates that do not match the creation A date. Not being able to find a good discussion on which utilities ; actually change the revision date (I do know about RENAME,  : APPEND and the SET FILE commands), I have been doing some B experiments and have been able to duplicate a situation that will A change a revision date on a file (when I think it shouldn't). It  @ seems that when using a P(iece of) C(rap) to create a file on an@ Advanced Server share, the revision date of other files on that  share can/may also change.  =    Is this reasonable/expected/documented behavior? If it is  = documented, could someone please provide me with a reference?   /    If it isn't, I will log a call with support.       Thank you
      Duane  
 Alpha VMS 8.2   Advanced Server 7.3A (V7.3-140A) HP TCP/IP V5.5 - ECO 1   Prior to the test  -----------------   C (10-MAR-2006 11:59:26.75)  $ directoryxxx of_something/date=created    Directory of_something  , xfile1.DOM_OLD;1     26-NOV-1997 10:42:49.00, xfile1.EXE;52         6-JAN-2003 15:34:13.18, xfile1.FDL;11        10-MAR-1994 13:24:42.00, xfile1S_DOM.DTR;1    17-MAR-1999 11:44:16.00, xfile1_REC.DTR;1     17-MAR-1999 11:44:16.00, xfile2.EXE;16         6-JAN-2003 15:34:28.37, xfile3.DOM_OLD;1     26-NOV-1997 10:47:36.00, xfile3.EXE;25         6-JAN-2003 15:34:40.16, xfile3.FDL;1         22-NOV-1988 06:29:07.00, xfile3S_DOM.DTR;1    17-MAR-1999 11:44:16.00, xfile3_REC.DTR;1     17-MAR-1999 11:44:16.00, xfile4.EXE;35         6-JAN-2003 15:34:53.50, xfile5.EXE;32         6-JAN-2003 15:35:08.44, xfile6.EXE;28         6-JAN-2003 15:35:21.93   Total of 14 files.D (10-MAR-2006 11:59:26.78)  $ directoryxxx of_something/date=modified   Directory of_something  , xfile1.DOM_OLD;1     16-AUG-2001 10:31:14.03, xfile1.EXE;52         6-JAN-2003 15:34:13.33-                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ,                 This date should not change!, xfile1.FDL;11        16-AUG-2001 10:31:14.27, xfile1S_DOM.DTR;1    16-AUG-2001 10:31:09.38, xfile1_REC.DTR;1     16-AUG-2001 10:31:09.49, xfile2.EXE;16         6-JAN-2003 15:34:28.47, xfile3.DOM_OLD;1     16-AUG-2001 10:31:14.71, xfile3.EXE;25         6-JAN-2003 15:34:40.25, xfile3.FDL;1         16-AUG-2001 10:31:14.96, xfile3S_DOM.DTR;1    16-AUG-2001 10:31:10.07, xfile3_REC.DTR;1     16-AUG-2001 10:31:10.17, xfile4.EXE;35         6-JAN-2003 15:34:53.60, xfile5.EXE;32         6-JAN-2003 15:35:08.54, xfile6.EXE;28         6-JAN-2003 15:35:22.05   Total of 14 files.  5 Note: This "feature" appears to have also happened to -       files on this directory on 16-Aug-2001. , Note: The .EXE's were rebuilt on 6-Jan-2003.  - Subsequent to the creation of hello_world.txt - ---------------------------------------------   C (10-MAR-2006 12:00:49.57)  $ directoryxxx of_something/date=created    Directory of_something  , hello_world.txt;1    10-MAR-2006 12:00:12.39, xfile1.DOM_OLD;1     26-NOV-1997 10:42:49.00, xfile1.EXE;52         6-JAN-2003 15:34:13.18 <snip>   Total of 15 files.D (10-MAR-2006 12:00:49.60)  $ directoryxxx of_something/date=modified   Directory of_something  , hello_world.txt;1    10-MAR-2006 12:00:17.49, xfile1.DOM_OLD;1     16-AUG-2001 10:31:14.03, xfile1.EXE;52        10-MAR-2006 12:00:05.60,                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^,                      needs to be un-revised! <snip>   Total of 15 files.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 05:00:59 GMT - From: D Gillbilly <gillbilly@ns.sympatico.ca> H Subject: Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?8 Message-ID: <ahp412hn756osl3a7tef27gescie2d6rbf@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:33:13 GMT, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  Y >In article <l7j3129omcecmlq0v6tsovp4o0hdgj1uq6@4ax.com>, d_gillbilly@hotmail.com writes: D >:  I have been tasked to identify an annoying problem that we have D >:with our distribution procedures. The problem appeared to be that B >:BACKUP would add too many files to a kit. The specific question I >:was, "Why does BACKUP/SINCE sometimes find more files than DIR/SINCE?".  > C >  Actually, it finds the same numbers of files, but BACKUP is very B >  cautious about which files are included and errs on the side ofE >  including files that have potentially been, for instance, renamed. D >  The average DIRECTORY/SINCE command doesn't return a set of files >  that are fully restorable.  > > >  See /NOINCREMENTAL, and see the attached information below. >   % Thank you Hoff for your quick reply.    7 Unfortunately, I have not properly phrased my question.   > My real problem is that something changes file revision dates.  A BACKUP was my friend in that it helped me figure out that I had a 	 problem.    ; Now that it has happened on my development machine, I have  = debris that I can work with and a pretty good idea on how to  C cause the problem. I just need to figure out what security/auditing B I need turned on to confirm my suspicions (I prefer books, so this! can wait until I return to work).   A I am just trying to rule out my stupidity, before I call support.   	    Thanks 
      Duane  = In the example below, the only file that should have changed  ? was the text file, but something also revised the executables.  F The text file was put into that directory using "save as" from a PC to. an Advanced Server (PATHworks)  network share.    (/fu output selectively snipped)  
 Alpha VMS 8.2 , Advanced Server (PATHworks) 7.3A (V7.3-140A) HP TCP/IP V5.5 - ECO 1  / $ directoryxxx userfiles:[000000]parent.dir;/fu    Directory USERFILES:[000000]  = PARENT.DIR;1                 File ID:  (11,1,0)               # Created:    23-JAN-2001 16:54:00.86 ( Revised:     5-NOV-2004 10:00:41.11 (75)# Backup:     10-MAR-2006 03:00:18.90    Total of 1 file, 68/81 blocks.  + $ directoryxxx userfiles:[parent]xx.dir;/fu    Directory USERFILES:[PARENT]  > XX.DIR;1                      File ID:  (25185,4,0)           # Created:    11-MAR-2005 09:44:36.97 ( Revised:    23-FEB-2006 18:57:59.71 (68)# Backup:     10-MAR-2006 03:00:18.90    $ directoryxxx9 userfiles:[parent.xx]*.*;/sin=10-mar:12:45/modi/date=modi    Directory USERFILES:[PARENT.XX]   , XXAAPR.EXE;19        10-MAR-2006 12:52:06.45, XXARC.EXE;29         10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.02, XXASCO.EXE;22        10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.09, XXATOO.EXE;125       10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.14, XXAUDT.EXE;38        10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.21, XXAVE.EXE;26         10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.26, XXBEST.EXE;44        10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.31, XXCELL.EXE;34        10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.38, XXCERL.EXE;5         10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.46, XXCERT.EXE;239       10-MAR-2006 12:52:07.52, XX_060310.txt;1      10-MAR-2006 12:52:10.52   Total of 11 files.     <detailed response snipped>   O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- L >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- H >       Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 17:59:52 -0800) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Press releases from Oracle C Message-ID: <1142042392.779837.160860@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Malcolm,  F Send me email at my email adress either my hotmail or hp address and I can be a little more specific,    
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 14:27:43 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net  Subject: Problem with Notes V2.5C Message-ID: <1142029663.183170.322860@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   F Just for kicks I installed Notes on a VAX 4000-200 with 32 megs or ramF and a RF73, Decnet Phase IV and TCP v5.1 It seem everything went okay,4 but when I tried to start Notes I get the following:  
 CAELUM> notes 1 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHARE  -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file. $1$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE9 -SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed  CAELUM>   , so I checked and install shows the following CAELUM> install  INSTALL> list [syslib]dns$share   + DISK$OVMSVAXSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXE 0    DNS$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar          Lnkbl INSTALL>; Does Notes require Decnet plus or is there something in the   installation that I over looked?D The reason I am asking is I installed Notes on a 3100-85 with DecnetE Plus TCP v5.1 and Notes works okay. The only difference is the Decnet  version. thanks phillip    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 13:46:20 -0800% From: "Laura" <lmcgaughey@parsec.com> N Subject: Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) MeetingB Message-ID: <1142027180.587181.94970@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>  D PARSEC Group hosted a well-attended and vibrant meeting for RMLUG onE March 9 at their new offices in downtown Denver. RMLUG exists for the D OpenVMS community in the greater Denver metro area as a resource forA and to the community, to network and exchange information, and to  advance the OpenVMS platform.   B The meeting opened at 6:30 p.m. with an introduction and joke from$ Wayne Sauer, PARSEC Group president.  F Rob Eulenstein, OpenVMS consultant for HP Support in Colorado Springs,E went over two presentations that were delivered by other HP personnel ? at the recent OpenVMS Ambassador's meeting in Nashua, NH. These ; presentations highlighted the new features in OpenVMS v8.3.   G After these presentations, general group discussion and Q&A ensued. Rob @ took the opportunity to let the group know about the upcoming HPE OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp, set for May 21 - 26, in Nashua, A as well as the upcoming HP and Intel=AE Developer workshops. More E information about these events can be found on www.openvmsplanet.org.   G Keith Parris, also from HP Services, took a moment to give some figures @ concerning HP's revenues and how OpenVMS, Enterprise Storage andA Servers, and Business Critical Servers fit into these figures. He F highlighted the bright future in regards to Integrity Server usage and@ projected growth; with OpenVMS on Integrity, the system has even( greater long-term potential than before.  G At the close of the session, it was agreed that PARSEC Group would send D out an e-mail to all meeting participants to recap the highlights ofF the meeting, as well as follow-up for ideas about what they would likeC to see occur at future meetings. Suggestions for the next meeting's 1 time, location and format will also be requested.   - The meeting closed at approximately 8:30 p.m.   A RMLUG would like to see you at the next meeting! If you'd like to G participate, e-mail Laura McGaughey at lmcgaughey@parsec.com to request 9 to be put on the mailing list for future meeting notices.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:17:01 -0600 . From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dlgudewicz@comcast.net>R Subject: Re: Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) Meeting: Message-ID: <5-SdnfzBXvWu3I_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>  1 "Laura" <lmcgaughey@parsec.com> wrote in message  < news:1142027180.587181.94970@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...D PARSEC Group hosted a well-attended and vibrant meeting for RMLUG onE March 9 at their new offices in downtown Denver. RMLUG exists for the D OpenVMS community in the greater Denver metro area as a resource forA and to the community, to network and exchange information, and to  advance the OpenVMS platform.   B The meeting opened at 6:30 p.m. with an introduction and joke from$ Wayne Sauer, PARSEC Group president.  F Rob Eulenstein, OpenVMS consultant for HP Support in Colorado Springs,E went over two presentations that were delivered by other HP personnel ? at the recent OpenVMS Ambassador's meeting in Nashua, NH. These ; presentations highlighted the new features in OpenVMS v8.3.   G After these presentations, general group discussion and Q&A ensued. Rob @ took the opportunity to let the group know about the upcoming HPE OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp, set for May 21 - 26, in Nashua, ? as well as the upcoming HP and Intel Developer workshops. More E information about these events can be found on www.openvmsplanet.org.   G Keith Parris, also from HP Services, took a moment to give some figures @ concerning HP's revenues and how OpenVMS, Enterprise Storage andA Servers, and Business Critical Servers fit into these figures. He F highlighted the bright future in regards to Integrity Server usage and@ projected growth; with OpenVMS on Integrity, the system has even( greater long-term potential than before.  G At the close of the session, it was agreed that PARSEC Group would send D out an e-mail to all meeting participants to recap the highlights ofF the meeting, as well as follow-up for ideas about what they would likeC to see occur at future meetings. Suggestions for the next meeting's 1 time, location and format will also be requested.   - The meeting closed at approximately 8:30 p.m.   A RMLUG would like to see you at the next meeting! If you'd like to G participate, e-mail Laura McGaughey at lmcgaughey@parsec.com to request 9 to be put on the mailing list for future meeting notices.   E Very nice report.  Here'e hoping that  the RMLUG continues to thrive.    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:47:51 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Recap of the March 9 Rocky Mountain Local Users Group (RMLUG) Meeting Meetin + Message-ID: <44124867.747D85C4@comcast.net>    Laura wrote: > [snip]C > RMLUG would like to see you at the next meeting! If you'd like to I > participate, e-mail Laura McGaughey at lmcgaughey@parsec.com to request ; > to be put on the mailing list for future meeting notices.   G If resources allow or can be made to allow, please consider web-casting C both audio and video (Web-X?) of these large and important meetings  (prominent guest speakers).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Mar 2006 20:57:44 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ) Subject: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet , Message-ID: <dusp8802ue7@enews2.newsguy.com>  G With the news that PMDF and PreciseMail Anti-Spam are now available for I Hobbyists, I think I'm even more interested in switching my Alpha from HP L TCPIP 5.4 to Multinet (I'm interested in switching TCP stacks for the DECnetI gateway in Multinet).  Are there any problems I should be aware of, or is @ this just a case of uninstalling TCPIP, and installing Multinet?  I Also, if I wanted, am I correct that PreciseMail Anti-Spam will work with L TCPIP, and that I wouldn't have to install anything else in order to use it?   	Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 14:11:31 -0800 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net- Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet C Message-ID: <1142028691.218031.304900@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   ? I had no problem going from Multinet back to TCP. The files for B Mulitnet are still on all my VAXs/Alphas. The only thing I did wasD comment out the Multinet startup line in systartup_vms.com. Now thatB PMDF and PreciseMail Anti-Spam are available to hobbyist I may try Multinet again.  phillip    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Mar 2006 01:51:02 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet + Message-ID: <dutae60hs1@enews2.newsguy.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: A > I had no problem going from Multinet back to TCP. The files for D > Mulitnet are still on all my VAXs/Alphas. The only thing I did wasF > comment out the Multinet startup line in systartup_vms.com. Now thatD > PMDF and PreciseMail Anti-Spam are available to hobbyist I may try > Multinet again. 	 > phillip   J Hmmm, interesting point.  Might be time to do a quick backup of the system disk, and play.    Thanks,  Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:23 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet + Message-ID: <441247D2.52FDBC62@comcast.net>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > ! > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: C > > I had no problem going from Multinet back to TCP. The files for F > > Mulitnet are still on all my VAXs/Alphas. The only thing I did wasH > > comment out the Multinet startup line in systartup_vms.com. Now thatF > > PMDF and PreciseMail Anti-Spam are available to hobbyist I may try > > Multinet again.  > > phillip  > L > Hmmm, interesting point.  Might be time to do a quick backup of the system > disk, and play.    Be advised that:  ; o Multinet's uninstall procedure does not delete all of the D Mutlinet-related DCL verbs. Use the freeware VERB utility to verify.  H o I'm not aware of an uninstall procedure for UCX, though PRODUCT REMOVE7 may handle that for versions distributed as .PCSI kits.   F o Beware of left-over UCX verbs when going (back to) Multinet. Use the  freeware VERB utility to verify.  F o Note that you may see a significant performance difference. UCX usesC mostly buffered I/O while Multinet uses mostly direct I/O. Interupt B service mode times on your systems may increase quite dramaticallyG depending on your network I/O load. (I'm still hoping that PSC will fix F this someday so I can chuck UCX and go back to something that actually works!)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Mar 2006 07:24:28 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet * Message-ID: <44127b2c@news.langstoeger.at>  H In article <dusp8802ue7@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:H >With the news that PMDF and PreciseMail Anti-Spam are now available forJ >Hobbyists, I think I'm even more interested in switching my Alpha from HPM >TCPIP 5.4 to Multinet (I'm interested in switching TCP stacks for the DECnet J >gateway in Multinet).  Are there any problems I should be aware of, or isA >this just a case of uninstalling TCPIP, and installing Multinet?   5 No need to uninstall TCPIP. Just only don't start it.   L Consider DECnet-over-IP from DECnet-Plus (aka DECnet-OSI or DECnet Phase5) -K this works with all TCP/IP stacks - instead of a 'one stack only' solution.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Mar 2006 22:14:45 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 6 Subject: Re: VMS Roadmap updated - now includes blades3 Message-ID: <anPa1PEIvMGd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <1141943218.890464.45190@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: 7 > My key question is - who would buy blades to run VMS?  >   H 	Ummmm... possibly someone architecting a state-of-the-art VMS solution?  E 	This is deja vu all over again.  VMS is not the OS in this link, but  	a point follows...   B http://www.computerworld.com/news/2000/story/0,11280,44353,00.html   News Story by Michael Meehan   APRIL 10, 2000   [snip]  I Datek experienced record highs in trading for the week, which the company L tackled with a strength-in-numbers system. The brokerage decided early on to' create an infinitely expandable system.   L "We've currently got 280 separate boxes running individual processes," SternN said. "And it's set up to handle double our peak capacity. If any one of those- 280 boxes breaks down, you'll never know it."   N With last week's new peak, Datek will add more computers to handle the load. 	     ----  D 	The industry (in general) is consolidating.  Best is to consolidateC 	to more servers in robust data centers.  Perhaps counter-intuitive ? 	to some but there are many different ROIs and availability and B 	scalability things...  Some opinion and conjecture for sure.  But: 	mostly a trend we see in many forms.  I believe the blade? 	is a very good thing for VMS.  I want to call it an Enterprise @ 	blade   B^).  The CTO at Datek was a great study 5-7 years ago.> 	He definitely designed a cool infrastructure and got a lot of 	press and whatnot out of it.   F 	Here's a crystal ball moment.   I firmly believe you'll see a greater1 	decline in expensive servers.  Seeing that here:   E http://www.gartner.com/teleconferences/attributes/attr_140229_115.pdf   D 	See slide 5.  Gartner is down now... but you will see a 18% declineG 	in the $25K-$100K segment, 18% decline in >$500K segment, 29% increase B 	in the <$5K segment (the largest segment and the largest increaseE 	) going from $400 million per year to about $550 million per year.   G 	Now this is Asia/Pacific data but I'd assume similar trends worldwide.   > 	Other OSes move to this space or face the wrath of folks thatE 	are looking at infrastructure costs and realizing some solutions are . 	way too expensive - chopping block situation!  = 	My hope would be that high-end servers come down quite a bit @ 	in price.  I don't think that will happen, and a lot of others D 	realize that too... so you design to what makes sense and a naturalD 	erosion occurs in the high-end space (large HP/UX, large Power/AIX,@ 	large UltraSparc).  OS of choice is Windows and Linux for these; 	blades (mostly), but I don't see why VMS can't play there.   > 	You buy a number of bays and cluster across them.  At 8 GByte- 	memory, 2 HBAs, 4 NICs and 2 CPUs... sweet.    W http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/Integrity-bl/p-class/60p/specifications.html   / http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-5924804.html   J A model with two 1.6GHz chips, 4GB of memory, two hard drives and an HP-UXI license will cost $5,695, the company said. Through partitioning features L available on the system, a single blade can be divided to run as many as six# separate instances of HP-UX 11i v2.   K Although Itanium servers can run Windows and Linux, those operating systems M won't be supported until the second half of HP's next fiscal year, which ends  Oct. 31, 2006.  N Server makers are interested in the market as a way to stand above the herd ofL mainstream servers and to tap into a business that's growing 10 times fasterK than the overall server market. In the second quarter of 2005, blade server K revenue grew 49 percent to $419 million compared with 4.7 percent growth to C $12.2 billion for the overall server market, according to Gartner.     				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:16:17 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: What is going on with VAX prices on ebay?+ Message-ID: <44124100.6E5F2844@comcast.net>   / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  >  > I had 10 but tossed them !  ' <heavy_southern_accent><basso_profundo>  WHAT'S WRONG WI'CHU, BWAH???!!! ) </basso_profundo></heavy_southern_accent>    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.139 ************************