1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 143       Contents:# Re: DNS zone file max version limit # Re: DNS zone file max version limit + Re: Does OpenVMS MIME work with your stack? ) Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit ) Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit  Re: Eve - displaying ESC?  Re: Eve - displaying ESC?  Re: need help with Flakey VLC  Re: need help with Flakey VLC  Re: Problem with Notes V2.5 $ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:44:35 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>, Subject: Re: DNS zone file max version limit+ Message-ID: <44147A22.D83E7CF@teksavvy.com>    sol gongola wrote:D > I manually forced a zone update by running TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER.= > The last message is always the output from a purge command.     G There is only one "purge" inside the executable.  As a last resort, you * could patch the file to change "purge" to 2 "dir  " or some other command which does nothing.   G What is interesting is that this section of code would be very specific G to VMS since version number handling couldn't come from Unix where Bind C comes from. So you'd think that they woudl have documented this VMS  specific aspect.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:41:15 -0500 + From: sol gongola <sdgongola@optonline.com> , Subject: Re: DNS zone file max version limit' Message-ID: <hv1Rf.387$2W1.65@fe12.lga>    JF Mezei wrote:  > sol gongola wrote:E >> I manually forced a zone update by running TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_XFER. > >> The last message is always the output from a purge command. >  > I > There is only one "purge" inside the executable.  As a last resort, you , > could patch the file to change "purge" to 4 > "dir  " or some other command which does nothing.  > I > What is interesting is that this section of code would be very specific I > to VMS since version number handling couldn't come from Unix where Bind E > comes from. So you'd think that they woudl have documented this VMS  > specific aspect.  + I inserted "$ purge:=purge/log/keep=5" into 9 TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$BIND_RUN.COM before program execution. = It seems to do the trick. I was hoping to find a "documented" 3 solution but this will do for now. I may play with  > SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]TCPIP$BIND_SYSTARTUP.COM if I get a chance.   thanks for your input. sol gongola    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:15:43 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 4 Subject: Re: Does OpenVMS MIME work with your stack?6 Message-ID: <Dj%Qf.512$ng.46020@news20.bellglobal.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4413776B.9DE5C10C@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] > I > Nop, and it isn't MIME's fault, it is the smtp foreign VMSmail protocol E > image which securely ads a blank line between its's header and your  > stuff to prevent fraud.  > I > What you need to do is edit the file generated by MIME and turn it into  > something like:  >  > $!G > $! SMTP_SFF infile_name [-logfile logfile_name] [-loglevel log_level]  > $!D > $MC TCPIP$SMTP_SFF.EXE SYS$INPUT: -logfile sys$output: -loglevel 0  > MAIL FROM:<chef@chocolate.com>% > RCPT TO:<paris_brest@patisserie.fr>  > DATA< > Message-ID: <5302c$o5rt$4hsf-6-xy--63k-8-n@rf083.n8.3k.34>+ > From: "Chef Jacques" <chef@chocolate.com>  > To: paris_brest@patisserie.fr $ > Subject: Thank you for your recipe' > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:11:46 -0200  > MIME-Version: 1.0 & > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;$ >         boundary="59F.B.F6.4D_B8_" > X-Priority: 3  > G > <insert the contents of the MIME generated file here, and updatye the ; > boundary string used by MIME in the "Content-Type" line.>  >  > $! > $! End of message  > H > Then you execute this and SFF then creates the appropriate files to be. > submitted to the SMTP symbiont for delivery.  L Thanks but it looks like your "Send From File" solution will only work with  "TCPIP Services for OpenVMS".   L Here are two DCL scripts ("MMAIL.COM" for use with Multinet by David Mathog K and a TCPware variation by me) which will allow you to get around the MIME  0 problem when sending messages from OpenVMS MAIL.? http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/demo_vms/dcl-mmail-scripts.zip J These scripts are not part of a finished product but they do work and are  easy to modify.   K It would be nice, though,  to see PSC add a logical to TCPware which would  K selectively disable the extra blank line whenever the first line of a mail  B message contained the phrase MIME. (or a variation on this scheme)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2006 23:38:32 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit, Message-ID: <4414b0f8$1@news.langstoeger.at>  e In article <44129e5b$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: g >In article <1142007773.985265.315150@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: D >>Usually with the PCSI kits you have to install them seperatly fromD >>other kits. I normally install the PCSI kit, log out, log in, then >>install other kits.  > K >For some (PCSI) kits you even need to reboot (before the next installation  >works again). > J >Log out and log in again is normal for me, because I only do installationM >from SYSTEM, one kit at a time, and with installation log file (/LOG/TRACE). E >So a SET COMMAND/TABLE=SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES *after an INSTALL REPLACE I >SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES (often already done by the previous PRODUCT INSTALL)  >is not required then. >  >I'll try this weekend...   I The VMS732_PCSI V2 has a problem. It forgets to INSTALL REPLACE DCLTABLES M Could be easily fixed, but is surely bad behaviour (and bad quality control).   @ No other problems (of last weeks V7.3-2 and V8.2 ECOs) seen here   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2006 23:35:23 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Error installing VMS 82A Update 2 kit, Message-ID: <4414b03b$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <6nqfFMrZWK$X@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:< >I installed the "VMS82A_UPDATE V2.0" and "VMS82A_PCSI V1.0"3 >kits simultaneously on an Alphaserver this morning  >and got the following error:   ; I just installed them and I haven't seen any problems here.    jfi    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2006 21:00:09 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?C Message-ID: <1142226009.228368.296710@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:X > In article <47fs3oFfattjU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:K > >In EDIT/TPU, when editing files with records longer than 80 bytes, issue G > ><DO> and then SET RIGHT 1000 (or whatever exceeds the maximum record + > >length) to stop automatic line wrapping.  > J > No. In EDIT/TPU the best way is to generally enable EDT layout/behaviour > (which I did in 1987 or so)  >  > $ TYPE EVE$INIT R > TPU IF GET_INFO (SCREEN, "MOTIF") THEN SET (MOUSE,ON) ELSE SET (MOUSE,OFF) ENDIF! > DEF KEY=CONTROL-B SET WIDTH 132   > DEF KEY=CONTROL-N SET WIDTH 80 > DEF KEY=F8 QUIT  > DEF KEY=GOLD-E EXIT  > DEF KEY=GOLD-Q QUIT 8 > DEF KEY=GOLD-X TPU WRITE_FILE (SELECT_RANGE,"TMP.TMP")# > DEF KEY=GOLD-LEFT  "SHIFT LEFT 8" $ > DEF KEY=GOLD-RIGHT "SHIFT RIGHT 8" > SET CURSOR BOUND > SET NOEXIT ATTRIBUTE CHECK > SET SCROLL MARGIN 7 7  > SET NOWRAP > Q > where SET NOWRAP, SET CURSOR BOUND and SET SCROLL MARGIN (and EVE$KEYPAD "EDT") + > are the main settings to reach this goal.  > I > If all EVE/TPU users would have done such settings decades ago, many of J > the EVE vs EDT flamewars wouldn't had happened (ok, there are still moreL > differences and some flamewars happened because of these, but for joe userK > these settings would have been enough to not miss real EDT and love EVE).   G Hmmm. I don't recall the flamewars being limited to what you list here. F Also, back when I was in grad school, I sometimes found myself workingD at remote labs or via SET HOST/DTE (or something like that -- it wasF [to me] some strange version of SET HOST possibly preceded or followedD by some other strange [to me] thing to do.). And EVE never worked onF any of them. But EDT always worked. So even Joe User, which I was muchC closer to back then, would have had some difficulty using an editor 1 that didn't work at all, even with your EVE$INIT!    >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Mar 2006 21:08:34 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>" Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?B Message-ID: <1142226514.008205.79680@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > dooleys@snowy.net.au wrote:  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > > G > >>The only drawback with EDT is that display lines are limited to 255 H > >>bytes, so if you have longer lines in your PCL files, you can't editK > >>past byte 255. EDIT/EDT will claim that longer lines are truncated, but G > >>with later versions of VMS at least, the original record length and  > >>contents will be preserved.   G Are you sure about this? You EDIT/EDT a file, then WRITE that file back 7 to disk, and lines longer than 255 chars are preserved?    > > H > > You can of course insert a carriage-return (^M) to shorten the line,+ > > make your changes, then remove the <CR>  > > Phil > >  > G > Thanks for that tip Phil. For many years my favourite editor has been ( > EDIT/TPU, so I hadn't thought of that.  C Can one of you please clarify this trick? If the line is truncated, E it's too late to put in the ^M character, so how do you put it in? If @ you delete the ^M and the line goes over 255 chars, won't it get
 truncated?  C Oh, are you talking about lines .gt. 80 but .lt. 256 chars? OK, but : that's quite a context switch without a proper transition.   > " > A couple of tips back to the OP: > I > In EDT <GOLD><KP7>set notr<keypad ENTER>, and a given line will wrap so $ > you can go past your screen width-  * A very cool function ... when you need it.   > J > In EDIT/TPU, when editing files with records longer than 80 bytes, issueF > <DO> and then SET RIGHT 1000 (or whatever exceeds the maximum record* > length) to stop automatic line wrapping.   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:11:55 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>& Subject: Re: need help with Flakey VLC: Message-ID: <zsGdnfdFsIjA7onZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@bresnan.com>   rsponholtz@gmail.com wrote:    > Hi, G > I just got my first Vaxstation 4000 VLC off ebay, and I'm having some F > trouble with it.  I hooked up a drive and and powered it on, and theB > boot ROM stuff came up on my serial terminal.  So I proceeded toF > install VMS with no problems.  But then when rebooting, the boot romG > indicated memory problems.  I cycled power, and then the LEDs stopped 
 > on this: > 1111 1011  >   F Yep.  I got the same thing.  But when I hooked up a VT420 to the vlc, @ the terminal shows that a very long memory test is taking place." Not sure why this is, but it does.  @ > Of course, I took the memory out, put it back, cleaned off the > contacts,etc. to no avail. > I > I came back a couple days later, and the machine booted just fine!  ran G > for a while, and I set up my hobbyist licenses and started installing H > TCP/IP.  Thats when the machine froze up.  On power cycling, I got the > same 1111 1011 on the LEDs.  > < > Any idea what the problem might be, or how I might fix it? >   F My guess is that the battery inside the Time Of Year clock is running 0 down and getting on the ragged edge so to speak.I I don't know where you can get new ones.  Too bad DEC didn't just have a   battery socket instead.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:49:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: need help with Flakey VLC, Message-ID: <44147B3C.EFC6DE46@teksavvy.com>   GreyCloud wrote:G > My guess is that the battery inside the Time Of Year clock is running 2 > down and getting on the ragged edge so to speak.J > I don't know where you can get new ones.  Too bad DEC didn't just have a > battery socket instead.     H Not sure about that specific model, but whe the ROM detect a bad TOY, itE resets the "non volatile ram" settings to some defaults.  So when you D power up the machine, you would always have consistent settings, not corrupted ones.   G Not sure about that model either, but many vaxes used a pack made up of D 3 AAA ni-cd batteries soldered in series (1.2*3 = 3.6volts).  If youG suspect your battery to be bad, GOSUB radio-shack, and then use the old < battery's wire/connector and solder it to the new batteries.  E I use some stretchy rubber tape to wrap the batteries, especially the ; ends and voila, your VLC will be good for another 10 years.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:44:57 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: Problem with Notes V2.5+ Message-ID: <44147A39.94C3F136@comcast.net>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  >  > Thanks for replyD > I am running 7.3 on all my nodes with current updates. I installed& > Notes right off the cd - I only haveI > 2 systems running Decnet Plus and I plan to switch those to Phase IV. I H > dont have notes$startup in the systartup_vms.com file so I am still at	 > a lost.  > thanks	 > phillip   E If you don't have NOTES$STARTUP happening at system startup time, and H you haven't invoked it manually while logged in as SYSTEM, that could beE contributing to the problem. I've not loooked at NOTES$STARTUP to see F what it does; however, if it manages any image INSTALLs, it might just# play a major role in your scenario.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:41:12 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet + Message-ID: <44147958.E063FB71@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > H > why not TCPware?  It was designed with the vms kernel and runs crisper > than multinet/ucx. > 0 > And it also runs true decnet phase IV over IP.  F May work with Oracle, etc. via its UCX-emulation, but is not tested orA validated by Oracle, in particular. Not sure about other products  relying on a TCP/IP stack.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:46:05 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet 6 Message-ID: <kE0Rf.652$ng.59230@news20.bellglobal.com>  ' <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message  < news:1142085816.429756.44670@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...H > why not TCPware?  It was designed with the vms kernel and runs crisper > than multinet/ucx. > 0 > And it also runs true decnet phase IV over IP. > I I agree. I've been a "BIG" fan and licensee of TCPware for 14 years now.  J BTW, for those who don't already know this, both TCPware and Multinet are / sold by the same vendor, Process Software Corp.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:21:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet , Message-ID: <44149EE8.6B86E3BD@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: J > I agree. I've been a "BIG" fan and licensee of TCPware for 14 years now.K > BTW, for those who don't already know this, both TCPware and Multinet are 1 > sold by the same vendor, Process Software Corp.     H Isn't it time that the 3 main stacks for VMS be merged into one official9 TCPIP stack that can then be better integrated with VMS ?   E Or must we wait for Process to buy VMS lock stockl and barrel from HP  before this can happen ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:28:37 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet 7 Message-ID: <s82Rf.250$fy1.44621@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:44149EE8.6B86E3BD@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] > J > Isn't it time that the 3 main stacks for VMS be merged into one official; > TCPIP stack that can then be better integrated with VMS ?  > F > Or must we wait for Process to buy VMS lock stock and barrel from HP > before this can happen ? > J As far as features are concerned, I'm not sure which is the best stack of > the three. All I know is that UCX was really bad back in 1992.  K I received a questionnaire from PSC a few years back hinting that Multinet  J customers might be encouraged to switch to TCPware. Since I haven't heard K anything about this since then I can only assume that PSC will continue to   sell and support both.  F Many people in the OpenVMS TCPIP group were dropped shortly after the B transition from Compaq to HP (if memory serves). But with OpenVMS L Engineering quietly supporting so many TCP/IP based open source projects, I J really don't see them dropping their stack. In fact, there may even be US > Government or US Military reasons why this would never happen.    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:47:04 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ?* Message-ID: <44147AB8.89D4D38@comcast.net>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > D > I recently noticed that AVAILMAN does something I hadn't expected: >  > $ SHOW SYMBOL JAVA? > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  > $ AVAIL/AVAIL  > ...  > $ SHOW SYMBOL JAVA: >   JAVA == "$ SYS$COMMON:[AMDS$AM.JRE.BIN]JAVA$JAVA.EXE " > $ java -version  > java version "1.4.2"2 > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionF > Classic VM (build 1.4.2-4.p2, 05/09/2005-10:05, native threads, jit) > $  > 4 > The Availability Manager is an executable, right ?/ > How comes that it needs/defines DCL symbols ? + > That means, how does it work internally ? 2 > It is an JAVA program, ok. But how is it built ? > J > And why does it leave symbols around instead of restoring their previousJ > value - say you already had JAVA 1.5 defined before AVAILMAN invocation) >  > What do you think ?  > N > PS: As some may have already noted, the JRE V1.42 which AVAILMAN has bundledR > has a lot of ACLs attached, which you better get rid of before problems arise...  G First guess time: it relies on spawned subprocesses which expect either H a verb or foreign command to invoke JAVA. Under what conditions it might* choose to not do so, if any, I've no idea.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.143 ************************