1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 144       Contents:5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 5 Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists 2 Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums+ Re: Does OpenVMS MIME work with your stack? ? Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server? ? Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?  Nodename in Accounting File ? ! Re: Nodename in Accounting File ? ! Re: Nodename in Accounting File ?  OPA0 Console connection  Re: OPA0 Console connection  Re: OPA0 Console connection  Re: OPA0 Console connection  Re: OPA0 Console connection  Re: Problem with Notes V2.5 $ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet$ Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ?  Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ? ! [F$GETQUI] Please explain RAD ;-)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:17:02 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> > Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists8 Message-ID: <SYfRf.5555$wQ6.5170@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: X > In article <441365C7.6080001@tsoft-inc.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:K >> So hobbyists will be setting up the products to handle their email, and  K >> probably their family's email, and possibly others also.  Some of these  G >> people will be using the email for their work.  Right now I'm a one  J >> person business, with no real differences between my home and my work. = >> My use of the products could be considered commercial use.  >>J >> So what's your perspective when hobbyist activity and a small business 5 >> are basically the same thing?  Is this acceptable?  >> > < > Process would need to give the definitive answer on that. G > My guess would be that advertising an email address supported by that I > mailserver as your business email address would move you out of being a P > hobbyist (said advertising would certainly include publishing that address on I > your business website but might also include regularly using it as the  4 > reply-to address on business emails you sent out). > ? I agree.  The terms for getting a Process Software Hobbyist PAK A are the same as for getting an OpenVMS Hobbyist PAK (in fact, you B have to have an OpenVMS Hobbyist PAK to participate in the Process Software Hobbyist program).   )  From the OpenVMS Hobbyist License Terms:   * > Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR- >     NON-COMMERCIAL USES (e.g., home use).   5 >     As such, you may not use the Licensed Computer  5 >     for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to  6 >     develop applications for resale, to do business  >     accounting, etc.  H A one-person business is still a commercial business, even if you run it out of your home.  --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 08:14:19 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>> Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS HobbyistsB Message-ID: <1142266459.069691.36510@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   David,      look at my previous post.  B      My work has several customers using their VMS Alphaservers as@ central email handlers.  A couple have a third party spam filterA running on a separate peecee, others have nothing but client side 
 filtering.  A      Two customers run multiple internet domains on their alphas. F TCPIP services can handle that in a rather unsatisfactory way; you canD tell it to handle mail for more than one domain, but then every userF account can receive mail on every domain (ie user USERNAME can receiveB mail as USERNAME@DOMAIN1, USERNAME@DOMAIN2, etc); you can't have aB different user with the same username on different domains withoutD playing forwarding games, and perhaps maintaining a large 'table' or. list of forwarding addresses, which is a pain.  C      PMDF reputedly doesn't suffer from the latter limitation (I'll G soon find out!).  Also putting spam filtering on the Alphas (which have F plenty of overhead at our customer sites) saves having to maintain andB manage yet another stinking peecee server via VNC, remote desktop,	 whatever.   F      I have two domains, though I only use one for much right now (theA other is parked).  By getting PMDF and the antispam product on my G server at home, I can properly use both domains for email; I can take a D whack at cutting down the spam that my two ISPs let through (I stillG have a dialup account in order to retain a long time email address, and G to give me dial backup on the broadband); and I can learn how to handle > and manage and tweak an enterprise class email system at home.  F      That will give me a lot more ammo (and credibility) when advisingF the customers, especially when trying to keep them from rushing off toF whatever the flashy mail server of the week in peecee land is, or fromB diving into the exchange morass (which will of course end up beingG another big problem on my desk), as well as real life comparison of the : spam filtering between the peecee product and Precisemail.  E      I don't know if we'll get sales out of it, or if Process will (I F hope so, but PDMF remains a pricy package); its worth the attempt, and5 I'll get a great mail package at home in the bargain.    Rich     Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 10:12:28 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>> Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS HobbyistsC Message-ID: <1142273548.435295.205430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    >  single user license...   E I hope they will.  Our customers all have rather low user counts, and F the cost of PMDF in the past has been a pretty hard hurdle to get them to jump.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:06:53 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Subject: Re: ANN: PMDF and PMAS available to OpenVMS Hobbyists9 Message-ID: <JsqdnSBc-qPNKYjZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Rich Jordan wrote: > David,  >      look at my previous post. > D >      My work has several customers using their VMS Alphaservers asB > central email handlers.  A couple have a third party spam filterC > running on a separate peecee, others have nothing but client side  > filtering. > C >      Two customers run multiple internet domains on their alphas. H > TCPIP services can handle that in a rather unsatisfactory way; you canF > tell it to handle mail for more than one domain, but then every userH > account can receive mail on every domain (ie user USERNAME can receiveD > mail as USERNAME@DOMAIN1, USERNAME@DOMAIN2, etc); you can't have aD > different user with the same username on different domains withoutF > playing forwarding games, and perhaps maintaining a large 'table' or0 > list of forwarding addresses, which is a pain. > E >      PMDF reputedly doesn't suffer from the latter limitation (I'll I > soon find out!).  Also putting spam filtering on the Alphas (which have H > plenty of overhead at our customer sites) saves having to maintain andD > manage yet another stinking peecee server via VNC, remote desktop, > whatever.  > H >      I have two domains, though I only use one for much right now (theC > other is parked).  By getting PMDF and the antispam product on my I > server at home, I can properly use both domains for email; I can take a F > whack at cutting down the spam that my two ISPs let through (I stillI > have a dialup account in order to retain a long time email address, and I > to give me dial backup on the broadband); and I can learn how to handle @ > and manage and tweak an enterprise class email system at home. > H >      That will give me a lot more ammo (and credibility) when advisingH > the customers, especially when trying to keep them from rushing off toH > whatever the flashy mail server of the week in peecee land is, or fromD > diving into the exchange morass (which will of course end up beingI > another big problem on my desk), as well as real life comparison of the < > spam filtering between the peecee product and Precisemail. > G >      I don't know if we'll get sales out of it, or if Process will (I H > hope so, but PDMF remains a pricy package); its worth the attempt, and7 > I'll get a great mail package at home in the bargain.  >  > Rich >  >  > Rich >   1 I think the offer is great for what you're doing.   E I didn't think it would be good for me, for the same reason I do not  H currently have any hobbyist licenses, all VMS activity is for business. E   When I did acquire the hobbyist licenses, it was to check out some  B things just for my own knowledge, is; arguably not commercial use.  H I still cannot get any reasonable internet connection.  Only dial-up so H the issue is moot at this time.  If I ever get a high speed connection, G I'll be talking to Process about the cost of a single user license, if   they would consider such.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 10:45:15 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ; Subject: Re: Announcement - HP and Intel Development forums C Message-ID: <1142275515.121643.216660@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>   
 Sue wrote:A > HP and Intel have created a special training program to support F > software development on HP Integrity servers. For a special price of > $2,000, you will receive: H > three days of interactive lectures and proctored hands-on labs from HP > and Intel experts B > an HP Integrity rx2620 server built on the Intel=AE Itanium=AE 2 > processor A > the operating system of your choice (HP-UX 11i, Linux (64-bit), " > OpenVMS, or Windows Server 2003)= > 1 yr license for the Intel Software Development Tools Suite ? > Developer Resources for Intel Itanium 2 microarchitecture DVD A > In addition, once your port is completed you will also receive: I > eligibility to take advantage of a host of go-to-market (GTM) resources C > to drive your Intel=AE Itanium=AE 2-based HP Integrity server and  > software business + > entry onto the ISV Integrity Solutions CD 9 > entry into the HP ISV application availability database I > one collateral piece jointly branded with your company and HP and Intel  >  > Dates and Locations: > Dallas, Texas April 4-6, 2006  > Seattle, WA June 13-15, 2006) > Peabody (Boston), MA August 22-24, 2006 ! > Atlanta, GA October, 2006 - TBD  > D > The total value of the many benefits of the HP and Intel DeveloperI > Workshop is valued at over $20,000!!!   Register now for the HP-UX 11i, @ > Red Hat Linux (64-bit), OpenVMS or Windows Server 2003 tracks.) > www.hp.com/go/itaniumdeveloperworkshops   G I suppose it's bad form to take a slot if you don't have an application > to port?  Do you have to belong to any special HP groups to beD eligible?  I am a DSPP member, but just an individual, not a company member.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:11:57 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> 4 Subject: Re: Does OpenVMS MIME work with your stack?8 Message-ID: <5UfRf.5554$wQ6.4460@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  > M > It would be nice, though,  to see PSC add a logical to TCPware which would  M > selectively disable the extra blank line whenever the first line of a mail  D > message contained the phrase MIME. (or a variation on this scheme) > 2 I believe we're adding that for the next releases.   --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:56:05 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) H Subject: Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?2 Message-ID: <VmiRf.4595$JH4.3435@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <ahp412hn756osl3a7tef27gescie2d6rbf@4ax.com>, D Gillbilly <gillbilly@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:? :My real problem is that something changes file revision dates.  ..< :Now that it has happened on my development machine, I have > :debris that I can work with and a pretty good idea on how to D :cause the problem. I just need to figure out what security/auditingC :I need turned on to confirm my suspicions (I prefer books, so this " :can wait until I return to work). ..> :In the example below, the only file that should have changed @ :was the text file, but something also revised the executables. G :The text file was put into that directory using "save as" from a PC to / :an Advanced Server (PATHworks)  network share.   D   Are you sure that the Windows boxes involved are not infected withD   something?  Having something writing into Windows executables is a4   common footprint for electronic vermin, of course.  C   Also, are you sure that whatever application you are using on the C   Windows system itself isn't also somehow modifying these files or    the file headers.   D   I will assume the contents of the files are NOT changing -- though1   if they are, do see the first paragraph, above.   A   Given what I've seen of directory operations, it also would not B   surprise me to see the directory itself rewritten when somethingD   was added to or changed within the directory -- directory shufflesB   are fairly common on OpenVMS and on Windows, and it would not beA   surprising to learn that some sequences involving Windows files B   and directories stored on a remote server can and do lead to the7   host server's associated file headers being modified.   A   You can see locality within the Windows directories using DUMP, B   for instance -- the files aren't stored in any particular order,?   so they can end up in odd clumps, depending on who wrote what 5   piece to do what when writing to the directories.        Not a big help, I know.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:01:44 GMT & From: "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com>H Subject: Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?2 Message-ID: <skjRf.4603$hM4.2360@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   L The Advanced Server will apply ACEs to files to track information pertinent K to Windows clients that is not maintained by OVMS (ie. file attributes and  L DOS file size).   The ACE will be updated whenever a client reads the file. H Though the client user may not have instructed the client to read these M files, Windows Explorer and other apps freely open/read the first x bytes of  J these files (perhaps only those with known file types?) to obtain certain L attributes/characteristics.  When AS closes such files, it updates the ACE, J which means the ACL is modified, which means the file header is modified, . which means the file revision date is updated.  " I bet that's what you're seeing...   Paul     ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 15:53:30 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Nodename in Accounting File ?, Message-ID: <4415957a$1@news.langstoeger.at>  E How to find out which node an (very old) accounting file belongs to ?   L Currently it seems, you can only guess (say by entries w/ a batch queue nameJ or _maybe_ PIDs) if one didn't name the accounting file after the node...   C Do you think it would make sense to include the local nodename into L accounting records in an VMS accounting file (say in a future VMS version) ?? Or is this a simple uncommon situation one has to live with ;-)    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 09:34:29 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Nodename in Accounting File ?3 Message-ID: <d208vlnMgCMg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <4415957a$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: G > How to find out which node an (very old) accounting file belongs to ?  > N > Currently it seems, you can only guess (say by entries w/ a batch queue nameL > or _maybe_ PIDs) if one didn't name the accounting file after the node...  > E > Do you think it would make sense to include the local nodename into N > accounting records in an VMS accounting file (say in a future VMS version) ?  H No, since there are a lot of programs that depend on the current format.  A > Or is this a simple uncommon situation one has to live with ;-)   F The last change to the source file was 2-Sep-1989, and that was merelyC to break it out into a separate file ACCDEF.SDL from STARDEFAE.SDL. = The last genuine change may have been 10 years prior to that.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:17:44 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) * Subject: Re: Nodename in Accounting File ?1 Message-ID: <cHiRf.4597$WC4.523@news.cpqcorp.net>   e In article <4415957a$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: F :How to find out which node an (very old) accounting file belongs to ?  @   BACKUP can show where the tape came from, and that might help.   C   And you can potentially infer it, of course, based on contents in C   the current file -- the queues have been mentioned, and you might A   also be able to infer it based on username(s) that were active.   D :Do you think it would make sense to include the local nodename intoM :accounting records in an VMS accounting file (say in a future VMS version) ? @ :Or is this a simple uncommon situation one has to live with ;-)  D   It won't help with the identification of the old accounting files D   quite obviously, and new files can be named with the specific host@   nodename involved -- which will obviously address the problem.  B   You can use one of the user-specified records, and generate thisC   now, too.  Call $sndjbc with the accounting information you want.   B   Having the addition of a record for this is (probably, likely?) A   feasible, of course -- the security auditing mechanisms already B   provide the nodename in that database, so that's been addressed.C   The addition of this into accounting won't address your situation F   until you're running a release after the change has been implemented@   -- after V8.3 or so, assuming no feature back=-port -- if your?   request here gets accepted in for implementation.  Obviously. F   This is, however, a reasonable suggestion for an OpenVMS EnhancementG   -- either for a current record (SYSINIT or the FILE records, extended D   compatibly, for instance), or as a new accounting record just for    this purpose.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:54:48 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: OPA0 Console connection( Message-ID: <ops6c2lmjezgicya@hyrrokkin>  ? I have a (working) console cable between 2 XP1000's one running & 8.2 (FREJA) and the other 7.3-1 (ODIN)  : Seen from FREJA SHO USER/FULL and SHO SYS yield following:3   Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal 0   <login>   FREJA  _OPA0:        22402C21  OPA0:0   <login>    ODIN                22A0033C  OPA0:  L 22402C34 _OPA0:          LEF      8       30   0 00:00:00.00        88       98   Seen from the other node  3   Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal 0   <login>   FREJA  _OPA0:        22402C37  OPA0:0   <login>    ODIN  _OPA0:        22A00346  OPA0:  L 22A0034B _OPA0:          LEF      7       11   0 00:00:00.00        69       78  H If I repeat the commands on the 8.2 node sometimes the process name is   blank.5 Repeating the command then displays the process name.    Is this expected behaviour?    Tom    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:42:41 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Re: OPA0 Console connection2 Message-ID: <laiRf.4592$JG4.4066@news.cpqcorp.net>  N In article <ops6c2lmjezgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:@ :I have a (working) console cable between 2 XP1000's one running' :8.2 (FREJA) and the other 7.3-1 (ODIN)  ..4 :  Username  Node   Process Name    PID     Terminal1 :  <login>   FREJA  _OPA0:        22402C37  OPA0: 1 :  <login>    ODIN  _OPA0:        22A00346  OPA0:    :Is this expected behaviour?  D   Probably -- I'm guessing as to what's happening here, but LOGINOUTC   will start a login upon unsolicited input, so this case does look B   to be expected behaviour, yes, assuming that the console serial C   lines involved aren't set up appropriately for this back-to-back  B   console serial line connection, and you should see failed loginsB   piling up in the system accounting and/or auditing logs.  (And a@   failed login can trigger an OPCOM, which can trigger a console=   message, which can trigger unsolicited input, which can...)   E   Me?  I'd use a DECserver or equivalent device, and move the console D   serial connections out to LAT or telnet.  (Do set the DECserver orE   terminal server to disable unsolicited input and such to the serial 0   line ports, depending on the terminal server.)  I   The OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section "How can I prevent C   a serial terminal line from initiating a login?" might be of some I   interest, here.  And maybe "Using REPLY/LOG from DCL? Disabling Console C   OPCOMs?", depending on what's initiating the chatter on the line.   H   Oh, and a BREAK signal -- a serial line framing error -- or a [CTRL/P]I   in the data stream, depending on the box -- can halt the configuration. H   See "Why does my system halt when I power-cycle the console terminal?"   for related.  I   In any case, do ensure you protect access to the lines, too, as network J   access to an (enabled) console is automatic full system control and fullI   system access.  For related, see "I've forgotten the SYSTEM password -     what can I do?" in the FAQ.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:26:16 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: OPA0 Console connection( Message-ID: <ops6c6t2j9zgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:42:41 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  K >   The OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section "How can I prevent E >   a serial terminal line from initiating a login?" might be of some K >   interest, here.  And maybe "Using REPLY/LOG from DCL? Disabling Console E >   OPCOMs?", depending on what's initiating the chatter on the line.   G Well I removed one end of the cable from the 7.3-1 and attached it to    another H node running 7.3-2 and don't see this behaviour, from which I conclude   that theD other node is "chattering" as you put it.  In the FAQ your remedy is  <                     In SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, issue the command:  >                     $ SET TERMINAL/NOTYPEAHEAD/PERMANENT ddcu:  I Does imply a reboot is required?  SHOW TERM DDCU: reveals no such device. ! Can OPA0 be used instead of DDCU?   6 BTW,  why is it on some nodes OPA0 and on others TTA0?  I >  Oh, and a BREAK signal -- a serial line framing error -- or a [CTRL/P] K >   in the data stream, depending on the box -- can halt the configuration. J >   See "Why does my system halt when I power-cycle the console terminal?" >   for related.  J Yes this did indeed happen over night, and required a powerdown, as even   SRM was A in an odd state, it didn't recognize any commands including init.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:14:56 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Re: OPA0 Console connection1 Message-ID: <QwjRf.4604$5H4.481@news.cpqcorp.net>   N In article <ops6c6t2j9zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:G :On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:42:41 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote: ? :                    $ SET TERMINAL/NOTYPEAHEAD/PERMANENT ddcu:  : " :Does imply a reboot is required?   I   You can certainly reboot, of course, to verify that the change you have G   made in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM takes affect correctly, of course.  But you H   can also issue the command "hot", and it will take affect immediately,G   and assume that your change(s) made within SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM were all #   correctly implemented, of course.   ) : SHOW TERM DDCU: reveals no such device. $ :  Can OPA0 be used instead of DDCU?  C   That would be the intent, yes, if you want to change the terminal D   setting for OPA0:.  "ddcu:" is a fairly common text string used toA   represent an arbitrary OpenVMS device name specification, FWIW.   F   The OPA0: device is intended as the console serial line; that deviceE   and that device driver targets the managment of a system via serial H   line.  That device is not intended for general access, nor for networkI   or remote access, nor is it appropriate for high-volume data transfers. K   The console is also the device of last resort for certain system-critical I   messages.  And the control of console and of physical system access are H   both central to system security, as well -- someone with access to the9   the console serial line can be a fully-privileged user.   7 :BTW,  why is it on some nodes OPA0 and on others TTA0?   J   It being the serial line?  (I need more specific anticedent, here.)  WhyH   does the name of the COM port you have connected change?   The OpenVMSI   Frequently Asked Questions section entitled "Which terminal device name =   is assigned to the COM ports?" might be of interest, if so.   K   You can download the whole of the OpenVMS FAQ -- to make it far easier to L   search for information than the HTML format that many folk tends to go forI   first -- in a text format file from <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq>.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:19:40 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> $ Subject: Re: OPA0 Console connection9 Message-ID: <JsqdnSJc-qPTKojZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Tom Linden wrote: H > On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:42:41 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote: > L >>   The OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section "How can I preventF >>   a serial terminal line from initiating a login?" might be of someL >>   interest, here.  And maybe "Using REPLY/LOG from DCL? Disabling ConsoleF >>   OPCOMs?", depending on what's initiating the chatter on the line. >  > I > Well I removed one end of the cable from the 7.3-1 and attached it to   	 > another J > node running 7.3-2 and don't see this behaviour, from which I conclude  
 > that theF > other node is "chattering" as you put it.  In the FAQ your remedy is > = >                    In SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, issue the command:  > ? >                    $ SET TERMINAL/NOTYPEAHEAD/PERMANENT ddcu:  > K > Does imply a reboot is required?  SHOW TERM DDCU: reveals no such device. # > Can OPA0 be used instead of DDCU?  > 8 > BTW,  why is it on some nodes OPA0 and on others TTA0? > J >>  Oh, and a BREAK signal -- a serial line framing error -- or a [CTRL/P]L >>   in the data stream, depending on the box -- can halt the configuration.K >>   See "Why does my system halt when I power-cycle the console terminal?"  >>   for related.  >  > F > Yes this did indeed happen over night, and required a powerdown, as  > even  SRM was C > in an odd state, it didn't recognize any commands including init.   I There was a recent post that indicated that on some Alphas both the OPA0  G serial port and the TTA0 serial port could be used to boot the system.  J Do you possibly have the console cable connected to the wrong serial port?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:26:09 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Re: Problem with Notes V2.52 Message-ID: <RWhRf.4588$JG4.1708@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <1142029663.183170.322860@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:G :Just for kicks I installed Notes on a VAX 4000-200 with 32 megs or ram G :and a RF73, Decnet Phase IV and TCP v5.1 It seem everything went okay, 5 :but when I tried to start Notes I get the following:   >   Do grab the newer [Notes_FT] kit off the Freeware V7 distro.   ..2 :%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHARE :-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file / :$1$DIA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE : :-SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed ..- :so I checked and install shows the following  :CAELUM> install  :INSTALL> list [syslib]dns$share : , :DISK$OVMSVAXSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXE1 :   DNS$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar          Lnkbl        try:  7     install> rep [syslib]dns$share/prot/open/head/share   >   The error is telling you you are missing the protect option.  A   There are other incompatibilities with Notes on newer releases, @   see the Freeware V7.0 readme for [Notes].  [Notes_FT] fixes at   least some of this stuff.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 07:54:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet 3 Message-ID: <girX5nopC2gF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44149EE8.6B86E3BD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > J > Isn't it time that the 3 main stacks for VMS be merged into one official; > TCPIP stack that can then be better integrated with VMS ?   D    I see no reason why Process should give up sole control over high    quality products.  H    But, as we all discussed many times, DEC should have licensed someoneD    else's stack from the start, instead of initiating its own always    lagging stack.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:13:13 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - Subject: Re: Switching from TCPIP to Multinet 9 Message-ID: <JsqdnSNc-qNRKIjZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:^ > In article <44149EE8.6B86E3BD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > J >>Isn't it time that the 3 main stacks for VMS be merged into one official; >>TCPIP stack that can then be better integrated with VMS ?  >  > F >    I see no reason why Process should give up sole control over high >    quality products. > J >    But, as we all discussed many times, DEC should have licensed someoneF >    else's stack from the start, instead of initiating its own always >    lagging stack.  >   F NIH can be a rather bad thing at times.  Causes duplication of effort E and such.  However the other side of licensing third party stuff has  G prevented the release of source code and inclusion as freeware of some  	 products.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 15:34:01 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ?, Message-ID: <441590e9$1@news.langstoeger.at>  e In article <sBfRf.4573$Ev4.3984@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> writes: M >The $ AVAIL/AVAIL command invokes the Java setup procedure for the JRE that  I >installs with the AM kit, then starts AM.  That is why you see the JAVA  J >symbol.  I've got a note to see about cleaning up after one exits the AM 
 >application.   
 Thanks Barry.   E Do you think it would be easier to spawn (maybe w/o symbols/logicals) J JAVA in AVAILMAN than doing a (maybe non-easy) cleanup in current process?     btw: $ AVAIL/AVAIL/DEBUG=FUTURE Unrecognized option: -future* Could not create the Java virtual machine.   TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 19:18:17 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: [AVAILMAN] JAVA setup ?, Message-ID: <4415c579$1@news.langstoeger.at>  e In article <pYiRf.4601$EI4.3268@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com> writes: L >Spawning a process means that some of the process quotas are split between B >the main process and the spawned one, which could cause problems.  J Indeed. But the main process is still in the AMDS$AM_LAUNCHER.EXE, right ?O So, the quotas of the main process won't be used otherwise (only for AVAILMAN).   J >                                                                   Also, N >there is a command procedure to "undo" a setup that comes with Java, so I'll  >give that a shot first.  M The JAVA$*_CANCEL_SETUP procedures delete the symbols, yes, but don't restore L their previous values. But only this would be good behaviour (or you need to4 document the bad behaviour as a known limitation ;-)   just my 0.02   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Mar 2006 17:38:11 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: [F$GETQUI] Please explain RAD ;-), Message-ID: <4415ae03$1@news.langstoeger.at>  M Please, can someone explain this behaviour I just saw (OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2):   D $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_QUEUE", "RAD", "$1_job_batch") 0 " $ SHOW QUEUE/ALL/FULL $1_JOB_BATCH* Batch queue $1_JOB_BATCH, idle, on NODE3::4   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=20 /OWNER=[VMS,SYSTEM]   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  $! $ SET QUEUE/RAD=0 $1_job_batch" $ SHOW QUEUE/ALL/FULL $1_JOB_BATCH* Batch queue $1_JOB_BATCH, idle, on NODE3::4   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=20 /OWNER=[VMS,SYSTEM]&   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RAD=0D $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_QUEUE", "RAD", "$1_job_batch") 0  $ SET QUEUE/NORAD $1_JOB_BATCHC $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETQUI ("DISPLAY_QUEUE","RAD", "$1_job_batch")  -1  J Why did F$GETQUI display "0" first, while SHOW QUEUE did not display /RAD?F (I assume, /RAD wasn't set - as it is not required, but can't be sure)  G Or in other words, one can't rely on F$GETQUI RAD??? Don't think so (at K least I hope one can rely on lexical functions). So, where could be my bug?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.144 ************************