1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 18 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 153       Contents:C Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution? C Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution? C Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution? C Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution? C Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution? 5 Re: DS15, Radeon 7500, OpenVMS 7.3-2 DECWindows Crash  Re: Eve - displaying ESC? / Re: Is VMS Security being dumbed-down for Java?  Re: Mtools for VMS (?)? Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server? ? Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server? , Re: OpenVMS, Itanium, and Video Card Support, Re: OpenVMS, Itanium, and Video Card Support* Re: SCT Banner software running on OpenVMS Re: Test% Re: [F$GETQUI] Please explain RAD ;-)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:57:56 GMT  From: d_gillbilly@hotmail.com L Subject: Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution?8 Message-ID: <vd0m12podkqprfkrqm675rml4t9lgogbpn@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:54:48 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    >d_gillbilly@hotmail.com wrote: C >> I have used this, but in this case, I am using DCPS to take a PS % >> form and merge it with a ANSI file  > $ >Ahhh ! now I see why you want DCPS. > # >> My form is indeed a DEFINE/FORM. 9 >> It is written in PS and stored in SYS$LIBRARY:POST.TLB  > ! >Abd the plot thickens even more.  > H >> But when I try to duplicate this functionality, I have to extract theG >> form, and add it to every page (what good is a pdf that only has the  >> boxes on page 1?).  > K >> >And in Postscript a "form" is  Postscript level 2 feature that lets you  > I >> I don't use this. I prefer stuff I can read. It's much easier to debug  >> :-) > C >Actually, the execform operator makes a program much more readable I >especially since it is just one line of code per page to add the form to B >that page instead of having to repeat all the code for each page. >   5 That does sound more elegant than my current attempt.   I >> This is exactly the result (minus the graphic logo). Looks good on the J >> printer. Now I want my app to bypass the printer and email it directly. > I >You could write a program that listens to a LAT port and knows what DCPS H >expects of it (printer type, page count etc) and then have a DCPS queueE >setup to print to that LAT port. So the data would loop from DCPS to F >your application which woudl then fake a printer , making DCPS happy,G >and capture the DCPS output, save to file and then invoke ghostscript.  >   B My luck would have them changing DCPS on the VERY NEXT release :-)  E >However, what I would do is to build a standalone postcript prologue G >that would contain the form data and have routines to read in text and D >format it on the page. This prologue could also have the additionalA >"pdfmark" operators to set PDF document attributes. (not sure of " >ghostscript support that though). >    Ok, I'm curious.? It seems good PS documentation requires spending some money. My F manuals here are V2 and I was thinking about getting some newer/better documentation.   Do you have any references? . Books preferably, but I will settle for URL's.H My hit rate seems to go from 0 to a bizillion, and I get tired of wading through the crap I don't want.  C >This would make for a more self contained application that doesn't  >depend on DCPS.   > 3 >What escape sequences are used in you ANSI files ?   B Mostly (but not exclusively) positioning sequences. I already haveA a converter for the common ones and the rest I will add after the  client opens their wallet. :-)    B We deal exclusively with small business (3-30 people shops). Small@ business generally has a small budget. But they do want outboundD email from their apps. I haven't yet, and hopefully never will, haveG to tell them that I can't get VMS to do something (but I have told them  that they can't afford it :-(   F Thanks again JF. I am convinced the time an effort to implement proper PS is the route to take.  '    Still trying to make money from VMS,        Duane    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:01:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> L Subject: Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution?+ Message-ID: <441B23AC.E720019@teksavvy.com>    d_gillbilly@hotmail.com wrote:  D > My luck would have them changing DCPS on the VERY NEXT release :-)  G Even if they change it, it still doesn't solve the problem of having to F trigger the conversion from PS to PDF once DCPS has generated the fileH in a separtate process. (you'll need to synchronize to find out when the2 file is complete and you can begin processing etc.  G So going at it 100% yourself without some print queue will make overall F processing simpler because you can take input and generate output in a single process.     A > It seems good PS documentation requires spending some money. My H > manuals here are V2 and I was thinking about getting some newer/better > documentation.  F I got the red bible years ago (first release for Level 1, and then theH bigger red bible for Level 2. I also had some smaller "cookbook" manualsC but those are now useless (good to get started but eventually, they A don't go far enough in their examples). There is a fair amount of F Postscript code available in the comp.*.postscript groups as well as a8 comp.*.sources.postscript (or something to that effect).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:02:51 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>L Subject: Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution?5 Message-ID: <170320061604172392%paul.anderson@hp.com>   8 In article <e6il12lhvkoh8hgv2bh2i9j4g0ilclc56v@4ax.com>,  <d_gillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote:  G > And I was hoping to cheat by capturing the PS dumped out by DCPS. But F > it's not supported, and the resultant PS is even harder to read than > my garble. :-)  G The DCPS$SPOOL_KEEP logical name is not documented or supported, but it G will work.  After all, the creation of the file is supported as part of B LPD spooling, so the contents had better be correct.  Defining the6 logical name just skips the step of deleting the file.  F Use of the logical name is not encouraged because then you'd have lotsF of PostScript files in the spool directory that have already printed. % Of course, if that's what you want...   9 Yes, DCPS-produced PostScript code is difficult to read.  ? Nicely-formatted PostScript code is hard enough to read for the @ uninitiated.  But DCPS compresses it, and uses abbreviations forD PostScript commands in some cases, for efficiency when sending it to the printer.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:19:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> L Subject: Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution?, Message-ID: <441B35CA.D7B8FA0C@teksavvy.com>   Paul Anderson wrote:B > uninitiated.  But DCPS compresses it, and uses abbreviations forF > PostScript commands in some cases, for efficiency when sending it to > the printer.   No !  G Admit it, you are doing this to make our lives harder, force us to wade E through blocks of seamingly random characters to try to decypher your . proprietary code so that we won't steal it :-)  H Putting a linefeed between two words to split lines does not require any& more bandwidth than a space or tab :-)  E And often, the code to redefine commands takes up more bandwidth than F the actual commands that are used only a couple of timesb (if at all).  F This is all a conspiracy to punish anyone who dares look into the text9 libraries to try to understand how the software works :-)   B (and yes, its friday afternoon and am not feeling too serious) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:28:42 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> L Subject: Re: Can I use DCPS LPD temporary files as a print to file solution?/ Message-ID: <0pmdnf9I2NIX2IbZRVn-pw@libcom.com>    Paul Anderson wrote:: > In article <e6il12lhvkoh8hgv2bh2i9j4g0ilclc56v@4ax.com>," > <d_gillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote: >  > G >>And I was hoping to cheat by capturing the PS dumped out by DCPS. But F >>it's not supported, and the resultant PS is even harder to read than >>my garble. :-) >  > I > The DCPS$SPOOL_KEEP logical name is not documented or supported, but it I > will work.  After all, the creation of the file is supported as part of D > LPD spooling, so the contents had better be correct.  Defining the8 > logical name just skips the step of deleting the file. > H > Use of the logical name is not encouraged because then you'd have lotsH > of PostScript files in the spool directory that have already printed. ' > Of course, if that's what you want...  > ; > Yes, DCPS-produced PostScript code is difficult to read.  A > Nicely-formatted PostScript code is hard enough to read for the B > uninitiated.  But DCPS compresses it, and uses abbreviations forF > PostScript commands in some cases, for efficiency when sending it to > the printer. >  > Paul >   I What about a /VERBOSE option?  Might be simple if you're using tables, a    bitch if the stuff is hardcoded.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:52:26 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>> Subject: Re: DS15, Radeon 7500, OpenVMS 7.3-2 DECWindows Crash2 Message-ID: <_rESf.4878$Bd7.3288@news.cpqcorp.net>   mjjerabek wrote:@ > I have an OpenVMS V7.3-2 system running on a DS15 running with8 > DECwindows 1.3-1 with the following patches installed: >  > Graphics 400 > Update 500 > DWMotif ECO2 > H > We run a custom HMI application that when poked at properly will crashE > the X-server with a single mouse click. I can also achieve the same G > crash using the same VMS system, and a Radeon card running in a DS10. I > With the DS10, if I replace the Radeon card with a different video card A > (PowerStorm 4D10T for example), the problem disappears. The HMI ' > application is a 2D only application.   G    It would be best here if you contacted the folks at the HP customer  H support center directly -- you'll likely be asked if you have other ECO H kits (eg: UPDATE V6.0 and the other mandatory kits) loaded, and for the H particular footprint of the crash (the output log from the X Server, or I otherwise).  Your current software bits are getting older, but are still   considered to be supported...   E    As for testing for your reported nightmare, you can easily load a  F scratch disk and toss the OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 and DECwindows V1.5 bits E onto it, and try a test with it.  (Or you can make a full standalone  H BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY of your disk, upgrade your system disk (or swap the I bits over onto another Alpha for testing), test with the newer bits, and  - then restore the system disk if/as required.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:44:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: Eve - displaying ESC?+ Message-ID: <441B8237.57A2C6BC@comcast.net>    Paul Sture wrote:  >  > AEF wrote: > > Paul Sture wrote:  > >  > >>dooleys@snowy.net.au wrote:  > >> > >>>Paul Sture wrote: > >>>  > >>> I > >>>>The only drawback with EDT is that display lines are limited to 255 J > >>>>bytes, so if you have longer lines in your PCL files, you can't editM > >>>>past byte 255. EDIT/EDT will claim that longer lines are truncated, but I > >>>>with later versions of VMS at least, the original record length and ! > >>>>contents will be preserved.  > >  > > K > > Are you sure about this? You EDIT/EDT a file, then WRITE that file back ; > > to disk, and lines longer than 255 chars are preserved?  > >  > H > Here's a post from me in DEC-2001, when I think I was on V7.3 (Alpha): >  > http://tinyurl.com/nlgsx > J > "And I did a limited test with a small file > 255 characters per record.F > Even though EDT claims to truncate these records, it appears that itH > only  does so for display purposes, writing the complete records on an > EXIT."  C The caveat is, of course, to distinguish between records reportedly C truncated and record claimed to be too large for user's buffer. The D latter prevents EDT from reading any further through the input file.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:32:02 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>8 Subject: Re: Is VMS Security being dumbed-down for Java?2 Message-ID: <61FSf.4880$Pf7.1238@news.cpqcorp.net>   Richard Maher wrote:  	 [deletia]   G    I'm not in a position to investigate the $imgact code right now, as  + related to Java.  (That will have to wait.)   I > Q1: Without the use of enhanced privileges and with the Main Executable L > Image not having being INSTALLed: - Can a call from an inner-mode UWSS outG > to any other shareable image (/PROTECTED or otherwise) be spoofed and N > redirected to another shareable image? My testing to-date indicates that theJ > image activator insists on all shareable images being INSTALLed. Is this& > supported and architected behaviour?  F    This installation requirement is the intended behaviour of OpenVMS  system security.  D    Calling out from a UWSS is intended to be restricted, and anyone H coding a UWSS or any inner-mode code must be exceedingly careful not to I open up a security hole; any and all code executing within inner-mode is  I considered part of the Trusted Computing Base (TCB), and thus considered   to be security relevent.  N > Q2: When a LIB$ routine is called from an EXEC Mode UWSS, why does the imageD > activator consider Non-Trusted, Supervisor-Mode Logical Names whenM > activating LIBRTL? Furthermore, why does the image activator then appear to M > ignore non-trusted logical names when activating other shareable images? Is ( > there something peculiar about LIBRTL?  I    Calling LIB$ from inner-mode code is not supported, and known to have  G various failures -- the most common failures involve VM allocation and  F mode protections on memory pages.  UWSS calls operate in executive or H kernel mode, and are thus limited to exec-based system services and the @ kernel-mode C library.  Inner-mode calls to anything other than B exec-based system services are not generally considered supported.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Mar 2006 06:16:42 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> Subject: Re: Mtools for VMS (?) ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-mgX9kXjqBXIz@dave2_os2.home.ours>   C On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:05:08 UTC, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:   H > and sort of answering my own question (now where did I put that rubber
 > chicken :-)  >  > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/d5791d87bee3a37e/4f438d04de337876?q=mtools&rnum=9#4f438d04de337876 > Forest Kenney he sayI > "USB controller that uses the NEC USB controller chip.  The one Belklin * > sells uses this chip there are other.  "  C A timely thread. Thanks for the info, I was asking myself the same  F question last w/e while in shop staring at PCI-USB boards. The name on  the carton, Belkin, rang a bell. --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:28:14 GMT  From: d_gillbilly@hotmail.com H Subject: Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?8 Message-ID: <1b5m12dcfka8emcvj9ooerlpm4eg4vjglu@4ax.com>  B On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:18:06 GMT, "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com> wrote:   >Hi Duanne,  >    <snip>   > M >I don't think disabling storing of security aces is going to help.  I still  L >think the %x80 DOS ACE is getting applied/updated by some MS application - K >either Explorer or, as someone else noted, MS Office apps.  In fact I was  H >reviewing a network trace of a client opening a .DOC file stored on an J >Advanced Server share (by double-clicking on it).  The first part of the L >trace shows the client going through the entire directory tree opening and I >reading the start of every *.exe and *.htm file (which would qualify as   >"Known file types").  >   G Ok, so it's not me. Someone else has seen this. I see this walk through B also. But do you see it requesting an update? For a READ function? Rhetorical questions...   K >There is currently no way to disable the application or update of the DOS   >ACE...  >   H Thanks Paul. I think I can now explain what is happening. I have answers< to all the iffy bits (even if I don't like all the answers).  E    Trying to understand how things work before anyone else complains,        Duane    >  >Paul  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:09:02 GMT & From: "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com>H Subject: Re: Mysterious revision date changes caused by Advanced Server?2 Message-ID: <2sGSf.4898$867.4393@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   + <d_gillbilly@hotmail.com> wrote in message  2 news:1b5m12dcfka8emcvj9ooerlpm4eg4vjglu@4ax.com...D > On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:18:06 GMT, "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com> > wrote: [snip] > J > Thanks Paul. I think I can now explain what is happening. I have answers> > to all the iffy bits (even if I don't like all the answers). > F >   Trying to understand how things work before anyone else complains, >      Duane  ( I just thought of  one more iffy bit :o)  J I know that the DOS file size is not stored in the DOS ACE for sequential L files with a stream, stream_lf, or undefined record format.  The "DOS" size K of these files can be computed from information in the file header.  Thus,  L I'm not sure whether AS will modify the DOS ACE on such files whenever they , are read (I suspect the ACE is not updated).  K Your case is a bit unique in that you have OpenVMS .EXE files in the share  J directory making them both subject to the "Windows Known File Types" code H paths on the client and the "non-stream files" code paths on the server.   Regards,     Paul     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:20:37 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Itanium, and Video Card Support 2 Message-ID: <pSESf.4879$NU6.4416@news.cpqcorp.net>   mjjerabek wrote:    A > What video cards will be supported in the newer VMS and Itanium I > environment. From the literature I believe that the current Radeon 7500 A > card, plus a Radeon 7000-like card are supported. Is this true?     G    The MP processor is a common approach.  There's a Radeon controller  E embedded within that option, and DECwindows supports it -- there are  F various other very useful features available within the MP, of course.G The add-in PCI controller is the PCI 2D/3D Graphics AB551A Radeon card.   @    http://www.hp.com/products1/serverconnectivity/misc/graphics/%      specifications/AB551A_specs.html   3 > What other cards will be supported in the future?   F    Future I/O support is not something I'm generally in a position to G discuss -- the bootcamp would be one option for learning what we're up  C to (under NDA), and there are also formal requests for support and  + related discussions with business managers.   F > Will any of these cards be using "current" technology instead of theC > current trend of being 3-4 years behind in video card technology?   G    I'd tend to doubt you'll see a Radeon All In Wonder X1900 or an ATi  F Cross-Fire configuration of Radeon X1800 widgets available on OpenVMS G anytime soon.  That written, if you have specific requirements for new  G I/O support, I can certainly pass those along to the graphics business   manager.  H > In addition to the above questions, will I likely have the same driverA > problems/crashes as I have had in my current Alpha environment?   H    I don't yet know what the particular X Windows X Server crashes are, G so it's rather hard for me to answer that one -- there is a discussion  G of the X Server crashes going on in another thread, and I have replied   there.  @ > Any and all help from newsgroup members (Or OpenVMS/DECwindows) > engineers) will be greatly appreciated.   F    Formal direct contact with the customer support center is the best D way to get application problems with the X Server diagnosed and (as  needed) addressed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:21:16 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Itanium, and Video Card Support , Message-ID: <441b608d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  2 "mjjerabek" <mjjerabek@gmail.com> wrote in message= news:1142556469.947699.288160@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... G > With last orders for Alpha based systems deadline approaching, we are D > about to dive, head first into a port of a large VAX/Alpha OpenVMS? > software system. From scanning this news group, and published G > literature, it does not look to be a real big deal at all, but I have  > some worries.  > H > During the past year I have had a hellish time working around problemsH > running DECwindows using the currently supported Radeon 7500 card. OurD > HMI application is only a 2D application, but I seem to be able toB > crash DECwindows at will doing simple, perfectly legal x-windows
 > operations.  >   J I assume you are working these problems through the support channels.  Are# you getting your problems resolved?   C > With this port, I will have to deal with a new version of OpenVMS C > (8.2+), DECwindows (1.5+), and a new set of video cards and their  > drivers. My question is, > A > What video cards will be supported in the newer VMS and Itanium I > environment. From the literature I believe that the current Radeon 7500 A > card, plus a Radeon 7000-like card are supported. Is this true?  >   J The "R7000" is actually the built-in chip on the management option.  It isJ identical to the R7500 but has no 3D HW acelleration.  The drivers and the  hardware are identical to Alpha.  H > In addition to the above questions, will I likely have the same driverA > problems/crashes as I have had in my current Alpha environment?  >   I Since the hardware and drivers are the same, I would say yes.  But again, E please make sure you are working the support channel.  If you are not 5 getting what you need, contact me directly via e-mail    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2006 20:23:22 -0800 From: schortingh_j@mercer.edu 3 Subject: Re: SCT Banner software running on OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1142655802.834903.117840@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Another additional reply:   E Will that LDAP support be for both Alpha and Itanium? We are on Alpha  (7.3-2).  C Then once that is available, there is the issue of when Oracle will  certify C LDAP and on what version of the database, and then there is the SCT D certification also. We are still a year or two away from having this capability.   D Yes, there are other programming options. PL/SQL has advanced in the last fewE years. SCT is positioning their ODS/EDW products as programmer tools.  SomeG are looking at Java. There are other third party tools. We have a small G programming staff, with a lot of man hours invested in SQR, and not too  much  experience with other languages.  $ Feel free to share my prior email...  >                                                             im     Ira Melamed  Administrative Computing Farmingdale State  University of New York Email: Melamed@Farmingdale.edu Phone: (631) 420-2415  FAX: (631) 420-2696      -----Original Message-----E From: James Schortinghouse [mailto:James.E.Schortinghouse@Mercer.edu] $ Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:21 PM To: Ira Melamed 3 Subject: Re: SCT Banner software running on OpenVMS     D I have spoken to HP about LDAP which I need for other projects and I was @ told it would be supported later this year with 8.3 for any ldap> directory.  Currently works only with HP Enterprise directory.  , Are there other options for reporting tools?  D I am looking at netbeans for openvms to create graphical programs to run C on VMS.  I will look to see if it has some type of reporting tools.   B Can I share your email on my google comp.os.vms post.  Seems to be; several universities interested in this line of discussion.    Thanks.   , James Schortinghouse				Phone:  478.301.2846D VMS Systems Manager                             Fax:    478.301.2313 Mercer University      Melamed@FARMINGDALE.EDU wrote:   >> Jim,  >>H >> We have run Banner on OpenVMS for over ten years, with great success,< >> but we are now looking to migrate to some flavor of Unix. >>I >> One of our main reasons is the SQR (Hyperion) reporting language is no E >> longer supported on OpenVMS. The current version is 8.x and we are G >> back on 4.3. We have been told that version 4.3 will not link/run on G >> Oracle 10g for OpenVMS. We have hundreds of programs written in SQR.  >>G >> Other reasons are lack of support for LDAP (can not use SCT's portal D >> single sign on functionality), and that Oracle point releases are2 >> *way* behind comparable Solaris/Linux releases. >>G >> I don't want to migrate, but the operating system is just staring to D >> get in our way. There are 15-20 other Banner schools in the State8 >> University of New York, planning on migrating also... >>F >>                                                                  im >> >> Ira Melamed >> Administrative Computing  >> Farmingdale State >> University of New York ! >> Email: Melamed@Farmingdale.edu  >> Phone: (631) 420-2415 >> FAX: (631) 420-2696   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Mar 2006 20:27:39 -08009 From: "vasu.kulkarni@gmail.com" <vasu.kulkarni@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Test C Message-ID: <1142656059.506466.224350@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    Tested..     Bob Edwards wrote: > Test >  > --   > Test   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:01:04 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] Please explain RAD ;-)+ Message-ID: <441B8600.A38CF594@comcast.net>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > b > In article <4418DE60.9B7BE1BA@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:G > >Based on what F$GETQUI() returns, I'm gonna have to go with the idea H > >that RAD=0 is the default if not set explicitly and -1 = /NORAD until1 > >someone pipes up with something authoritative.  > J > And I came to the conclusion, that F$GETQUI RAD doesn't provide the sameI > information as SHOW QUEUE does. (I wonder what SYS$GETQUI will tell...)  > ; > I have a lot of queues which all provide 0 instead of -1. F > And all of them are old queues. That means they haven't been createdF > in the last couple of years. Every queue I so far created since thenI > shows -1. And every queue I did a SET QUEUE/NORAD (which per definition I > does nothing as the queue already is /NORAD) now also shows -1 for RAD.   E AH! Now we have more data. This makes it look like a potential bug in E the newer code. Since the old queue records in the database might not @ contain a valid RAD field, the system software may try to assumeD something so the F$GETQUI() call will not result in a process dump /C logout. That assumption might not be valid, as we have seen via the  results you've reported.   Just my WAG there...  N > So, I assume, this is a field somewhere in the SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$QUEUES  > file, which didn't get updated   ...or created...  + > by the VMS upgrade which brought us /RAD.     6 ...and/or the subsequent startup of the Queue Manager.  L > And also F$GETQUI doesn't check the other field (which got upgraded) which > SHOW QUEUE uses.  > Mmmm... That seems a brash assumption, based on the foregoing.  > > Sounds bogus, but for me sounds more logical than your idea.  > How so? Seems to me that SHOW QUEUE displays the absence of an> explicitly specified RAD as well as the lack of a /NORAD whileH F$GETQUI() appears to make a potentially invalid assumption for whatever+ reason. That is both logical and non-bogus.   2 > So, Guy/Hoff, please, your word is required. TIA  + Yes, please. Much speculation, little fact.   9 How 'bout someone with the source CDs? 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