1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 24 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 165       Contents:( Re: Example using pseudo terminal driver' Re: F$GETQUI - not updating in a loop?? & Re: How to stretch a pixmap (.pm) file& Re: How to stretch a pixmap (.pm) file2 Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS2 Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS2 Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS> Re: HP OpenVMS CIFS announcement - Evaluation kit availability Re: HP Support moving offshore?  Re: HP Support moving offshore?  Kaplow, email status?  Re: Kaplow, email status?  Re: Larger IDE disks for DS10L# Re: Newbie Problem Setting Up TCPIP # Re: Newbie Problem Setting Up TCPIP  Re: old uVAX needs a home  Re: old uVAX needs a home 1 OpenVMS and Advanced Server: Just Ask The Vendor! 5 Re: OpenVMS and Advanced Server: Just Ask The Vendor! ( Re: OT:HUMOR VMS Just Add Power Campaign( Re: simh on linux  bigger than 2gig diskG Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:46:44 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>1 Subject: Re: Example using pseudo terminal driver 6 Message-ID: <44236BA4.6078DA34@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Forrest Kenney wrote:  >  > B >         Assuming you have a reasonably current installation lookI > in sys$examples at logger or alpha_logger.c.  They are the same program I > just that on VAX it ended up with a different name.  It is the code for ; > the example in the appendix.  It will get you started....  > F >         DTM which was mentioned used the pseudo terminal code.  TheyJ > take advantage of the start middle and end read notification.  They need7 > that so they can make terminal reads starts and ends.   C I wonder if DTM can be used in combination with other strategies to F provide the long sought-after automation capability for such things as SET HOST/DUP...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:45:00 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>0 Subject: Re: F$GETQUI - not updating in a loop??6 Message-ID: <44236B3C.124F5145@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote: > I > Thanks, that worked.  I'm confused about the mechanism here - could you @ > explain *why* it works?  I looked at the lexical help, and theC > "freeze_context" entry indicates "When in wildcard mode, prevents G > advance of wildcard context to the next object. If you do not specify 9 > this flag, the context is advanced to the next object."  > G > So, if "freeze_context" on the form name worked, was it previously in C > wildcard mode trying to advance the context to a next object that H > didn't exist (I was looking up a specific queue form name entry, there= > were no wildcards) and somehow hanging F$GETQUI generally??   G Well, technically, your code is broken. To maintain your queue context, D replace the queue name symbol with the asterisk used on the previousG call; just add "FREEZE_CONTEXT" to the last parameter of F$GETQUI(), or H if "FREEZE_CONTEXT" is the only value of the 4th parameter in your case, then specify that alone.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:05:47 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: How to stretch a pixmap (.pm) file , Message-ID: <4422f18c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  G I am guessing this is the issue that some screen backdrops in CDE don't H scale to large screen heights.  I usually just pick one of the backdrops that does scale.    0 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message, news:LrAUf.5171$5s4.1031@news.cpqcorp.net...E > In article <1143108073.703330.189360@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, ( "Ronky" <contactronak@gmail.com> writes: > H > :When i set my monitor resolution to 1600x1200, color changes from theI > :bottom of the screen. This happens because the pixmap (.pm) file is of F > :height 1024. Is there any algorith available to stretch a .pm file? >  >   In no particular order...  > B >   a: OpenVMS version, DECwindows version, ECOs (particularly theA >      UPDATE and GRAPHICS ECOs, as available) and the particular B >      graphics controller?  (One- or two-line questions are oftenD >      supremely difficult to answer, with any degree of certainty.) > = >   b: I'd not expect a color change when an image is scaled.  > D >   c: comp.os.vms isn't the hot-bed of graphics algorithms details. > D >   d: ImageMagick is an option, and there are other tools available@ >      for creating, displaying, managing and converting images.B >      (The OpenVMS FAQ has various of the tools I know about, andB >      pointers.  Additions, updates and corrections are welcome.) > B >   e: What is presently stretching the image?  I have no idea whyB >      this color change might be occuring, and there's not really2 >      enough here to venture a particular guess.) > D >   f: The OpenVMS FAQ discusses setting the graphics controller andA >      the monitor to compatible resolutions -- I'd hope that the A >      new pairing is compatible, but I've seen cases where color B >      shifts can indicate signal integrity problems or resolution >      mis-matches.  > 1 >   g: is this the DECDTLOGO.PM login logo image?  > G >  ---------------------------- <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- 4 >     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- I >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[\0100]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:38:47 -0500   From: nobody <nobody@nobody.org>/ Subject: Re: How to stretch a pixmap (.pm) file * Message-ID: <44232375.35C1399B@nobody.org>   Ronky wrote:G > When i set my monitor resolution to 1600x1200, color changes from the H > bottom of the screen. This happens because the pixmap (.pm) file is ofE > height 1024. Is there any algorith available to stretch a .pm file?   F If you are using the traditional DECwindows interface (not CDE), thereE is no "official" way to have a colour image in the screen background. E You would likely ge using a utility such as XV to put the bitmap into 6 the root window.XV has options to scale etc an image.   D What is possible is that the image is not being scaled and the empty. space filled by your screen background colour.  H Look at your login script (login.com) to find out where/how the image isD being "pasted" onto the root window. YOu can also use XV to edit theG image and scale oit to being bigger so it fills your screen completely.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:55:55 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>; Subject: Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS 0 Message-ID: <vXDUf.5212$wA4.62@news.cpqcorp.net>  K besides all the better ways people have written (cURL, wget, mozilla, lynx)  if you want brute force then  , $telnet h71000.www7.hp.com 80/log=index.html* %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 161.114.65.60? %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host h71000.www7.hp.com, port 80 ( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^] GET /index.html HTTP/1.0   [lots of html stuff here]   - %TELNET-S-REMCLOSED, Remote connection closed ? -TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host h71000.www7.hp.com, port 80  $edit index.html  K the GET /index.html HTTP/1.0 has to be in upper case. the file is the first L part is the file to 'get' which can be case sensitive depending on OS of theH server. The HTTP/1.0 is the protocal to use (you can use HTTP/1.1 if youJ want but my figures always put in 1.0 cause I've been doing it for years).  / the most important thing is 2 carriage returns.   J the 'log file' will have a couple of lines of html protocal in it and thenK all the downloaded html file. On your screen it will come out with <lf> but 5 no <cr> but the log file will be formatted correctly.   L I'd still suggest using one of the other program methods but the telnet willJ work if you only want to do one or 2 downloads. if more then I tend to use cURL   -warren     # <r33300@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1143065704.438869.290320@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Hello there! > E > We have a regular job running to get some information for internet, H > then we download that web page and extract the data from that download1 > file. Current the job we executed in two steps.  > G > 1. Use a web browser to download the web page and save into a pc disk ; > 2. Upload the web page into VMS box the extract the data.  > G > I tried use $ telnet /port=80 www.webpage.com/ and use GET method try G > to get the file, the file displayed on my screen, my question here is E > how can I capture the information into an file so I can extract the  > data from? > 	 > Thanks.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:42:12 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>; Subject: Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS 6 Message-ID: <44236A94.DFA77081@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "r33300@gmail.com" wrote:  >  > Hello there! > E > We have a regular job running to get some information for internet, H > then we download that web page and extract the data from that download1 > file. Current the job we executed in two steps.  > G > 1. Use a web browser to download the web page and save into a pc disk ; > 2. Upload the web page into VMS box the extract the data.   C I'll second SMS's idea. I use WGET for that sort of work, and more.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:25:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS , Message-ID: <442374A5.D1C98727@teksavvy.com>  H BTW, if you need scripted access to the internet, KERMIT is your friend.  
 for instance:    SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8  SET COMMAND  BYTESIZE 8  SET FILE CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 & SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT( SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 LATIN1 SET BUFFER 20000 20000 SET NETWORK TCP  LOG SESSION \$(TRANSLOG) open read \$(TRANSACT) ;  ;  ;************* :loop  ;************* READ \%a ECHO ****\%a*****\13 if fail goto endloop  SET HOST www.chocolate.gov.au:80 if failure end 1 cannot connect  SET TERMINAL ECHO ON ; ( OUTPUT POST /cgi-bin/ERIS.pl HTTP/1.0\13D OUTPUT Referer: http://www.chocolate.gov.au/database/MAN200R.html\13  OUTPUT Connection: Keep-Alive\135 OUTPUT User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01(Macintosh; I; PPC)\13  OUTPUT Host: www.erin.gov.au\13 J OUTPUT Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*\13' OUTPUT Accept-Language: en-GB, fr-CA\13 9 OUTPUT Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded\13 ' OUTPUT Content-length: \Flength(\%a)\13 
 OUTPUT \13
 OUTPUT \%a\13 7 ;OUTPUT \%areport=MAN200R&name=ab&feature=ALL&region=WA  CONNECT 	 GOTO loop  ;  :endloop
 CLOSE read HANGUP EXIT   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:38:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS CIFS announcement - Evaluation kit availability , Message-ID: <442385B8.7225D51A@teksavvy.com>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote: > H > Interesting.  What version of Samba is this based on?  If it's version/ > 3, is Active Directory integration supported?   A There was a press release today about Samba 4 just going on alpha H testing. It is the version that provides active directory support. So itJ is doubtful that any production capable reasle on VMS would be based on 4.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:03:33 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> ( Subject: Re: HP Support moving offshore?: Message-ID: <VWEUf.74368$_c.20871@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  k > In article <rI1dF6r6Vnmn@eisner.encompasserve.org>, scopelliti@encompasserve.org (Pat Scopelliti) writes:  >  > K >>I hear stories that HP Support is being moved to India and Costa Rica (an O >>interesting combination).  True?  Do others feel this is a good thing or bad?  >  > ( >    I hear stories that Elvis is alive.& >    I hear stories that JFK is alive.I >    I see movies where the actor gets a live video feed from the Hubble   >       Space Telescope.: >    I hear stories that VMS is going to die 15 years ago.3 >    I hear songs that the Unicorns missed the Ark. + >    I hear ants go marching one by one ... M >    And I can find a site where you can play an online game called Lemmings.      This is definitely happening.      >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:00:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: HP Support moving offshore?, Message-ID: <442336A9.9363DF15@teksavvy.com>   Beach Runner wrote:  > This is definitely happening.     F Many of the "matured" VMS layered products are now in india, with just< work to qualify them for new VMS releases. (example: ALLIN1)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:48:01 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Kaplow, email status?3 Message-ID: <5lHUf.40622$915.1053@southeast.rr.com>   ) Sorry folks, no other way to contact Bob.    Bob,  J Email status?  I'm getting "Mailbox unavailable or access denied" on your  cheslevy.com account.   D You need to send your new email address or fix your current account.   Email or call me.      Ken   " __________________________________' Kenneth R. Farmer  <iHs><  336-736-7376    HP OpenVMS News and Info: 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:03:37 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>" Subject: Re: Kaplow, email status?6 Message-ID: <44236F99.406E7BCC@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > + > Sorry folks, no other way to contact Bob.  >  > Bob, > K > Email status?  I'm getting "Mailbox unavailable or access denied" on your  > cheslevy.com account.  > F > You need to send your new email address or fix your current account. >  > Email or call me.   H He said something to me privately that makes this no surprise. He may be. temporarily incommunicado. Did you try Eisner?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:10:40 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Larger IDE disks for DS10L I Message-ID: <8660a3a10603231810g785d4580j3096138b77115ee8@mail.gmail.com>   * Thanks, I decided to try the 160GB Maxtor.  9 Happily running 8.2 now and I'm venturing into VAMP land.    WWWebb  L On 3/21/06, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp <dbturner@icusc.com> wro= te: J > The Seagate/WD/maxtor 120GB 7200RPM works fine in ones we have built for > customers  >   > Walmart has them for about $80 >  > DT >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@icusc.com  > Web: http://www.islandco.comK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= ' =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > < > "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in messageE > news:8660a3a10603210913g24e0a179o74ce76e3a1b4016b@mail.gmail.com... - > What have y'all used sucessfully, VMS-wise?  > E > (I'm thinking of upsizing and doing a fresh install of 8.2 so I can  > VAMP around...)  >  > Thanks in advance, >  > WWWebb >  > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > correspondence. E > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for : > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/  >  >  >      --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2006 21:29:11 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Newbie Problem Setting Up TCPIP, Message-ID: <44231327$1@news.langstoeger.at>  a In article <2006032318245875249-gjparker@lboroacuk>, Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk> writes: H >Thanks Ian, I'd already considered this but was absolutely certain the C >IP address I'd set wasn't in use on my network (only a small home  $ >network with 4 or 5 devices on it).  I Could it be that you had this IP address configured on another interface?    $ TCPIP SHOW CONF INTER/FULL   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:34:11 -0500   From: nobody <nobody@nobody.org>, Subject: Re: Newbie Problem Setting Up TCPIP* Message-ID: <44232261.E99B8B23@nobody.org>   Gary Parker wrote:C > 'tcpip> show interface' only lists loopback but 'tcpip> show conf 4 > interface' lists ZE0: and it's correct parameters.     What happens if:  E TCPIP> SET INTERFACE ZE0 ? Do you get an error message ? (It *should* 0 take the permanent settings and make them live.)  ! Something else which you can try:   0 TCPIP> LIST COMMUNICATION CONTROLLER/interface=X    ! Note down the settings for the Z    # DELETE COMMUNICATIONS CONTROLLER EZ C DEFINE COMMUNICATIONS CONTROLLER EZ with the approrpiate parameters  (HELP DEFINE COMM to see them)    H I'd have problems with the SLIP interfaces which were fixed by deleteing3 the SL communicatiosn controller and redefining it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:16:22 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> " Subject: Re: old uVAX needs a home0 Message-ID: <LtadnSd8q7jry77Z4p2dnA@comcast.com>   William wrote:I > We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactor F > unless someone can come and take them.  Today is March 23, 2006, andE > the uVAXen have only a few days left.  The address is Nazareth, PA, A > 18064.  Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write  > williambader@hotmail.com	 > William  >   F The term "uVAXen" covers a multitude of sins.   MicroVAX I?  MicroVAX B II?  MicroVAX 2000?  MicroVAX 3100? MicroVAX 4000 Model xxx? Etc. E Some of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or  : working machines.  Others probably belong in the dumpster.D Much depends on whether licenses come with the machines (critically 0 important if the intendend usage is commercial).  2 So how about saying exactly what you are offering.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:31:00 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> " Subject: Re: old uVAX needs a home9 Message-ID: <PdednQcpjaby6L7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > William wrote: > J >> We have some old uVAXen that have an appointment with a trash compactorG >> unless someone can come and take them.  Today is March 23, 2006, and F >> the uVAXen have only a few days left.  The address is Nazareth, PA,B >> 18064.  Call 610-746-7426 and ask for William or Frank or write >> williambader@hotmail.com 
 >> William >> > H > The term "uVAXen" covers a multitude of sins.   MicroVAX I?  MicroVAX I > II?  MicroVAX 2000?  MicroVAX 3100? MicroVAX 4000 Model xxx? Etc. Some  J > of them are still desirable machines either as museum pieces or working 4 > machines.  Others probably belong in the dumpster.F > Much depends on whether licenses come with the machines (critically 2 > important if the intendend usage is commercial). > 4 > So how about saying exactly what you are offering.    I had also asked.  The response:   Hi Dave, We have two uVaxII systems. J They are in the top picture at http://williambader.com/museum/vax/vax.htmlE We haven't tried to boot them since we moved to a new building a few  
 years ago. William    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 03:13:55 GMT - From: D Gillbilly <gillbilly@ns.sympatico.ca> : Subject: OpenVMS and Advanced Server: Just Ask The Vendor!8 Message-ID: <vtr622dm2684ga9gjn01fd31p131vs0g4p@4ax.com>  1 OpenVMS and Advanced Server: Just Ask The Vendor!    The customer is gone.  And I am now mad. . I guess I don't feel like I am done with this.& Not wanting to make this a work thing. So...   
 Mr Vendor,  F Do you have a product that I could put into my home that would protect my personal enthronement?   @ It would have to securely connect to the internet and be able to manage 3 PC's.   Does such a product exist?  C If not, what are the technical limitations in producing a device to  provide these functions?  D Remember, as a consumer, state of the art is not as important as the quality of the product.        OpenVMS: The Advanced Server,       D. Gillespie       Dartmouth        Nova Scotia        & Want to know what I am talking about?  Just take this test.  + Do you want a secure computer in your home? 	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No  , Do you want it to run on reliable hardware? 	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No  " Do you want hardware independence?	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No  ? Do you want it to be able to easily manage your household PC's? 	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No  2 Do you think that you can buy such a device today?	   [x] Yes   8 If you answered yes to any of the above questions, then:  9 Just Ask The Vendor. Mention OpenVMS and Advanced Server.    Or?    Ever heard of OpenVMS?	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No   Ever heard of  Alpha? IA64? 	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No   Ever heard of Advanced Server?	   [ ] Yes    [ ] No  < If you answered no to any of the last three questions, then:  9 Just Ask The Vendor. Mention OpenVMS and Advanced Server.       ' Oh... just don't expect any response... ) I don't think that they know they own it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:22:21 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Advanced Server: Just Ask The Vendor!, Message-ID: <442373E4.BD89312E@teksavvy.com>   D Gillbilly wrote:- > Do you want it to run on reliable hardware?  >   [ ] Yes 
 >   [ ] No > $ > Do you want hardware independence? >   [ ] Yes 
 >   [ ] No  4 > Do you think that you can buy such a device today? >   [x] Yes   @ Only if you are willing to run VAX VMS on 8086 boxes witrh a VAXC emulator.  For VMS to fit your list of requirements, its owner must & firts port it to the 64 8086 platform.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:25 GMT  From: d_gillbilly@hotmail.com 1 Subject: Re: OT:HUMOR VMS Just Add Power Campaign 8 Message-ID: <e3t5229ic2sbqeau2r77pcv2c6l8rpdab1@4ax.com>  : On 23 Mar 2006 08:29:13 -0800, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  E >It'd be even better if the samba server could act as the current day F >equivalent of a PDC.  That way you wouldn't need ANY windows servers!  + And to me, it's already so, so, very close.   E Having the vendor go big iron when it is so close to victory with the # small iron seems like such a waste.   E They can keep their desktop battles, the server will win the war. One  small business at a time.   E I know it's selfish, but all I want to do is to continue to work with C VMS. I don't care if I it looks like I am sleeping with the enemy.    ; Maybe being fustrated and venting wasn't a waste of time...   '    VMS: Starting small and winning big, 
         Duane    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:05:57 -0000 / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 1 Subject: Re: simh on linux  bigger than 2gig disk 0 Message-ID: <1225vt5dnr1ue05@corp.supernews.com>  & Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> wrote:  I > Well, I'm no Linux guru and I've not spent quality time looking through H > the sources for simh, but I do know that you have to do special things& > in Linux to use 64-bit file offsets.  D > For one thing, the program must be compiled with _FILE_OFFSET_BITSI > defined to be 64. This tells the linux headers that 64 bit file offsets 
 > are in use.   D yawn.  Most systems require definitions and/or compiler flags to use a different memory model.   I > I've frankly never gotten along with Linux on this point. This is among  > the reasons I use NetBSD.   E Sounds like (and google hints) that NetBSD implements 64-bit model on G 64-bit architecture w/o any choice in the matter.  On the whole, that's 
 no better.   --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:39:55 +0000 < From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= <mru@inprovide.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer4 Message-ID: <yw1x7j6lj98k.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>  E "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:    [snip spam]   D Please stop this spamming.  I used to point people looking for Alpha= hardware in your direction.  I will never do it again.  I can C understand that basing a business on selling Alpha parts is getting F increasingly difficult, but this does not give any right whatsoever toF post spam to Usenet.  One more of these and I'll report you for abuse.   --  
 Mns Rullgrd  mru@inprovide.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:05:25 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer9 Message-ID: <c8ydneqHEYVEbb_ZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@libcom.com>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: F > The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" > ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  F Thanks for the heads-up on this book.  It seems that it covers enough E that even long time VMS users still have a bit to learn.  You didn't   mention a price?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2006 19:41:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer+ Message-ID: <48gbujFjsm7sU2@individual.net>   2 In article <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>,) 	John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: G >> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >>   > K >>     A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed  >> using FMS and RMSN >> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL and >> C/C++).  The  > ' > Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!   5 And no PL/I.  Someone is going to be real upset.  :-)    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 23 Mar 2006 19:56:53 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer+ Message-ID: <48gcs5Fjsm7sU3@individual.net>   4 In article <yw1x7j6lj98k.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>,* 	Mns Rullgrd <mru@inprovide.com> writes:G > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:  > 
 > [snip spam]  > F > Please stop this spamming.  I used to point people looking for Alpha? > hardware in your direction.  I will never do it again.  I can E > understand that basing a business on selling Alpha parts is getting H > increasingly difficult, but this does not give any right whatsoever toH > post spam to Usenet.  One more of these and I'll report you for abuse. >      Ok, so why is:  D The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  	 SPAM and:     E  We are pleased to announce the availability of the HP OpenVMS Common 3 Internet File System (CIFS) IA64 "evaluation" kit.     isn't?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:57:08 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGP Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer0 Message-ID: <00A53212.85291EA5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  >  > . >David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:G >> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >>   > K >>     A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed  >> using FMS and RMSN >> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL and >> C/C++).  The  > & >Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!   Then what good is this text?   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:39 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer2 Message-ID: <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: F > The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" > ISBN 0-9770866-0-7 >   J >     A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed > using FMS and RMS M > indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL and  > C/C++).  The  % Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:13:50 +0000 < From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= <mru@inprovide.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer4 Message-ID: <yw1xslp8j4w1.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com writes:   + > In comp.os.vms <mru@inprovide.com> wrote: H >> "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes: >  >> [snip spam] > G >> Please stop this spamming.  I used to point people looking for Alpha @ >> hardware in your direction.  I will never do it again.  I canF >> understand that basing a business on selling Alpha parts is gettingI >> increasingly difficult, but this does not give any right whatsoever to I >> post spam to Usenet.  One more of these and I'll report you for abuse.  > C > Good grief.  Calm down, about the only thing David posts for sale C > these days are things that are of interest to Hobbyists.  In this D > case he is posting something that is of interest to more than justD > hobbyists, and I for one am glad he did.  This book sounds like it? > is just the sort of thing that I could really use.  Hopefully ( > someone will post a review of it soon.  E Makes no difference if it's useful to someone.  It's advertising, and A advertising doesn't belong here.  It belongs in the *.marketplace  groups.    --  
 Mns Rullgrd  mru@inprovide.com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2006 12:21:45 -0800 From: greigaln@netscape.net P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application DeveloperB Message-ID: <1143145305.444524.99220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   M=E5ns Rullg=E5rd wrote:  D > Valuable or not, it *is* spam.  This newsgroup is not intended for@ > advertising things.  There are other groups dedicated to that.  F "This newsgroup" - if you must change the follow-ups in a cross-posted< message then please say so in the message body. I read it in comp.os.vms.   --=20 
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:07:10 +0000 < From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= <mru@inprovide.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer4 Message-ID: <yw1xodzwj2f5.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>   greigaln@netscape.net writes:    > Mns Rullgrd wrote: > E >> Valuable or not, it *is* spam.  This newsgroup is not intended for A >> advertising things.  There are other groups dedicated to that.  > H > "This newsgroup" - if you must change the follow-ups in a cross-posted> > message then please say so in the message body. I read it in > comp.os.vms.  F None of the crossposted groups is meant for advertising.  I read it in2 comp.os.linux.alpha, where it is not even topical.   --  
 Mns Rullgrd  mru@inprovide.com    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2006 13:13:04 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application DeveloperC Message-ID: <1143148384.154972.133010@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   B >From the description, this looks like an excellent book for a newH OpenVMS Programmer.  Thanks for the effort in putting this bok together.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2006 13:53:43 -0800. From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application DeveloperC Message-ID: <1143150823.529009.164680@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Yo,   % I'm interested if the price is right.    Chuck Moore    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:32:56 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer9 Message-ID: <z-qdnR5XxMHgvL7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@libcom.com>    John Reagan wrote:/ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > G >> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >> > K >>     A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed  >> using FMS and RMSE >> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN,   >> COBOL and >> C/C++).  The  >  > ' > Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!  >   J Well, John, you've been wondering what to do with all your free time.  :-)  E Are we back to "Real programmers write in assembler", to which those  @ even older reply "Real programmers hardwire their instructions".   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:35:59 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer9 Message-ID: <z-qdnRlXxMGuv77ZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:4 > In article <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>,+ > 	John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  > / >>David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >>G >>>The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >>>ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >>>  >>K >>>    A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed  >>>using FMS and RMSN >>>indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL and >>>C/C++).  The  >>' >>Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!  >  > 7 > And no PL/I.  Someone is going to be real upset.  :-)  >  > bill >    >   H I haven't seen a post from Tom yet.  Wonder how long it'll take for him 7 to stop tearing phone books in half and calm down?  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:56:17 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer= Message-ID: <lIFUf.98980$zk4.30930@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Mns Rullgrd wrote:  H > None of the crossposted groups is meant for advertising.  I read it in4 > comp.os.linux.alpha, where it is not even topical.  H But if you have linux on an Alpha then your box is quite likely capable G of running VMS (although some were crippled). And you can play with it  & for free with a hobby license from HP.  E If you know VMS and don't like it then that's fine. If you'd like to  G play with it at home and find out what it's all about then pop over to   comp.os.vms.  C David Turner at Island is probably single handedly responsible for  I putting more cheap Alpha boxes in the hands of home users than any other  G vendor. He's got a bunch of DS10ls going for $89 dollars at the moment.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:12:45 +0000 < From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= <mru@inprovide.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer4 Message-ID: <yw1x7j6kiwlu.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>  * Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:   > Mns Rullgrd wrote: > I >> None of the crossposted groups is meant for advertising.  I read it in 5 >> comp.os.linux.alpha, where it is not even topical.  > A > But if you have linux on an Alpha then your box is quite likely H > capable of running VMS (although some were crippled). And you can play0 > with it for free with a hobby license from HP. > F > If you know VMS and don't like it then that's fine. If you'd like toH > play with it at home and find out what it's all about then pop over to > comp.os.vms. > D > David Turner at Island is probably single handedly responsible forD > putting more cheap Alpha boxes in the hands of home users than anyG > other vendor. He's got a bunch of DS10ls going for $89 dollars at the 	 > moment.   D I'm not complaining about him selling Alphas.  I'm complaining aboutE him posting *spam*.  If I want to buy things I know how to find them. B What do you think would happen if everybody that had something for? sale repeatedly posted advertisements to every remotely related 
 newsgroup?   --  
 Mns Rullgrd  mru@inprovide.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:28:27 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer2 Message-ID: <06032317282749_2020036B@antinode.org>  < From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= <mru@inprovide.com>  F > I'm not complaining about him selling Alphas.  I'm complaining aboutG > him posting *spam*.  If I want to buy things I know how to find them.   ?    Where I come from, we like to flatter ourselves that we know > something about real SPAM, and as the MPFC series has appearedB repeatedly on TV here, we generally consider spam (or "*spam*") to% involve some considerable repetition.   D > What do you think would happen if everybody that had something forA > sale repeatedly posted advertisements to every remotely related  > newsgroup?  >    Could it be any worse than this barrage of juvenile, whiney" complaints about a single posting?  G    Get a life or not, but please try not to clutter the world with such B a waste of bits.  I prefer the disease.  Please spare me the cure.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Mar 2006 17:27:37 -0800' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application DeveloperC Message-ID: <1143163657.604824.255260@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    davidc@montagar.com wrote:D > >From the description, this looks like an excellent book for a newJ > OpenVMS Programmer.  Thanks for the effort in putting this bok together.  F It does look interesting. As a hobbyist I wish I could justify the $90; - but coincidentally my day job is currently building MySQL D applications on other operating systems. It's fascinating that MySQLE has made it to VMS and is considered a useful component there (too) - ( whether one approves of MySQL or not ;-)  A As for the 'spam' objection - I'm in two minds on that - strictly ? speaking this is an advertisement, and in some contexts clearly C inappropriate; but I think given the very specific relevance to the G audience of this group and the proactive, helpful nature of the product ) - I don't see why it cannot be tolerated.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:39:11 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer= Message-ID: <howard-96057C.20391123032006@news.supernews.com>   4 In article <yw1xslp8j4w1.fsf@agrajag.inprovide.com>,)  Mns Rullgrd <mru@inprovide.com> wrote:   G > Makes no difference if it's useful to someone.  It's advertising, and C > advertising doesn't belong here.  It belongs in the *.marketplace 	 > groups.   I I'm sorry you feel that way.  I feel that the posting was appropriate to  G at least some of the cross-posted groups.  I have my own answer to the  ' title and the initial question, though.    --  ; We are the music makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, @ Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams.  from "Ode", Arthur O'Shaughnessy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:29:57 -0800 % From: Crabs <IHateSpam@SpamSucks.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer0 Message-ID: <-6adndufbvs3xL7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com>   Mns Rullgrd wrote:G > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:  > 
 > [snip spam]  >  > Please stop this spa <snip rant>    Mans, old chap.  Get a grip. H I don't see you complaining on the Linux groups when somebody announces  a new build or an update.   ! David is a friend for gosh sakes. J He's one of the few Honest DEC/Compaq/HP after market suppliers out there.     TomC David's friend and Proud of it!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:32:21 -0500 + From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer/ Message-ID: <877j6klgi2.fsf@wolfe.cbbrowne.com>   M Clinging to sanity, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> mumbled into her beard:  > davidc@montagar.com wrote:E >> >From the description, this looks like an excellent book for a new K >> OpenVMS Programmer.  Thanks for the effort in putting this bok together.  > H > It does look interesting. As a hobbyist I wish I could justify the $90= > - but coincidentally my day job is currently building MySQL F > applications on other operating systems. It's fascinating that MySQLG > has made it to VMS and is considered a useful component there (too) - * > whether one approves of MySQL or not ;-)  @ I have a hard time fathoming how MySQL would be of interest on aB platform that has a full-fledged ISAM system, RMS, *built into theA operating system*, but I suppose there are all types out there...  --  % output = ("cbbrowne" "@" "ntlug.org") * http://linuxdatabases.info/info/rdbms.htmlF "I heard that if you play  the Windows CD  backward, you get a satanicF message. But that's  nothing compared to  when you play it forward: It' installs Windows...." -- G. R. Gaudreau    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:09:02 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer( Message-ID: <ops6wdpcmvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:39 GMT, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote:   / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: G >> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >> > K >>     A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is developed  >> using FMS and RMSL >> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL   >> and >> C/C++).  The  > ' > Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples!   4 Also no PL/I examples, can't be a very serious book. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:33:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer( Message-ID: <ops6wetak4zgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:35:59 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    wrote:   > Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 >> In article <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>, , >> 	John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: >>1 >>> David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >>> I >>>> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer"  >>>> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7  >>>> >>> D >>>>    A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is   >>>> developed >>>> using FMS and RMSH >>>> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN,   >>>> COBOL and >>>> C/C++).  The  >>> ) >>> Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples! : >>   And no PL/I.  Someone is going to be real upset.  :-) >>  bill >> > K > I haven't seen a post from Tom yet.  Wonder how long it'll take for him   9 > to stop tearing phone books in half and calm down?  :-)   # Didn't need the phone books anyway.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:10:48 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer) Message-ID: <OqJUf.200$C85.12@dukeread10>    Christopher Browne wrote: B > I have a hard time fathoming how MySQL would be of interest on aD > platform that has a full-fledged ISAM system, RMS, *built into theC > operating system*, but I suppose there are all types out there...    ????  9 Query language, fast remote access, security system etc..   8 There are reasons RDB and Oracle (classic) has been used on VMS for many years.  2 Now there are an open source database alternative.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:36:43 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer( Message-ID: <ops6wezhq7zgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:39:15 -0500, Jim Agnew <brainwavesurfer@gmail.com>    wrote:  K > I for one am happy to see this book.  I'll even write a chapter on Perl    > for the guy... >  > jim   L OK, I'll do the one on PL/I  but there should also be a chapter on SDL and   STARLET    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:57:31 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer6 Message-ID: <44236E2B.67B65B84@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Mns Rullgrd wrote: >  > healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  > - > > In comp.os.vms <mru@inprovide.com> wrote: J > >> "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes: > >  > >> [snip spam] > > I > >> Please stop this spamming.  I used to point people looking for Alpha B > >> hardware in your direction.  I will never do it again.  I canH > >> understand that basing a business on selling Alpha parts is gettingK > >> increasingly difficult, but this does not give any right whatsoever to K > >> post spam to Usenet.  One more of these and I'll report you for abuse.  > > E > > Good grief.  Calm down, about the only thing David posts for sale E > > these days are things that are of interest to Hobbyists.  In this F > > case he is posting something that is of interest to more than justF > > hobbyists, and I for one am glad he did.  This book sounds like itA > > is just the sort of thing that I could really use.  Hopefully * > > someone will post a review of it soon. > G > Makes no difference if it's useful to someone.  It's advertising, and C > advertising doesn't belong here.  It belongs in the *.marketplace 	 > groups.   : Is it the cross-posting that's got your undies in a bunch?  G I'll have to vote with Zane on this one. Get a grip, chill out. We need F c.o.v. to be a "one stop shopping" source for all things VMS, and thatE includes books, hardware, software, advice, etc. For some folks - not G just hobbyists - this and openvms.org are their only source of support.   E How many c.o.v.'ers have ever even HEARD of the *.marketplace groups?   G ...and since Islandco *IS* the *ONLY* one we soliciting here (on c.o.v. G at least for VMS related stuff, can't say about c.o.l.a. as I only lurk 6 there on occasion), I don't see that there's an issue.  A I suppose next we'll see complaints about Sue posting new product  announcements from HP...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:00:26 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer6 Message-ID: <44236EDA.D59A9C7F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  9 (Follow-up fixed to restore cross-posting to comp.os.vms)    Mns Rullgrd wrote: > , > Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >  > > Mns Rullgrd wrote: > > K > >> None of the crossposted groups is meant for advertising.  I read it in 7 > >> comp.os.linux.alpha, where it is not even topical.  > > C > > But if you have linux on an Alpha then your box is quite likely J > > capable of running VMS (although some were crippled). And you can play2 > > with it for free with a hobby license from HP. > > H > > If you know VMS and don't like it then that's fine. If you'd like toJ > > play with it at home and find out what it's all about then pop over to > > comp.os.vms. > > F > > David Turner at Island is probably single handedly responsible forF > > putting more cheap Alpha boxes in the hands of home users than anyI > > other vendor. He's got a bunch of DS10ls going for $89 dollars at the  > > moment.  > F > I'm not complaining about him selling Alphas.  I'm complaining aboutG > him posting *spam*.  If I want to buy things I know how to find them.   > Others might now know where to find them. Give 'em break, huh?  D > What do you think would happen if everybody that had something forA > sale repeatedly posted advertisements to every remotely related  > newsgroup?   It happens now.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:45:16 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer6 Message-ID: <200603240445.k2O4jql16716@disk.stanq.com>  1 On 23 Mar 2006 at 23:12, M=E5ns Rullg=E5rd wrote: F > I'm not complaining about him selling Alphas.  I'm complaining aboutG > him posting *spam*.  If I want to buy things I know how to find them.   7 So, if I mentioned CHARON-VAX, would that be spam, too?     [Sorry, just couldn't resist...]   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:45:01 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer; Message-ID: <442332FD.2556.24794D53@squayle.insight.rr.com>   1 On 23 Mar 2006 at 23:12, M=E5ns Rullg=E5rd wrote: F > I'm not complaining about him selling Alphas.  I'm complaining aboutG > him posting *spam*.  If I want to buy things I know how to find them.   7 So, if I mentioned CHARON-VAX, would that be spam, too?     [Sorry, just couldn't resist...]  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:46:38 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer/ Message-ID: <raadnT0W5NCO5L7ZRVn-vg@libcom.com>    Tom Linden wrote: I > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:35:59 -0500, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    > wrote: >  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>6 >>> In article <nKCUf.5202$Ng4.1888@news.cpqcorp.net>,0 >>>     John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: >>> 2 >>>> David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: >>>>J >>>>> The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" >>>>> ISBN 0-9770866-0-7 >>>>>  >>>>E >>>>>    A single sample application (a lottery tracking system) is    >>>>> developed  >>>>> using FMS and RMS I >>>>> indexed files in each of the covered languages.  (BASIC, FORTRAN,    >>>>> COBOL and  >>>>> C/C++).  The >>>> >>>>* >>>> Feh!  No Pascal or Macro-32 examples! >>> ; >>>   And no PL/I.  Someone is going to be real upset.  :-) 	 >>>  bill  >>>  >>G >> I haven't seen a post from Tom yet.  Wonder how long it'll take for  ? >> him  to stop tearing phone books in half and calm down?  :-)  >  > % > Didn't need the phone books anyway.  >  >> >   3 Then what was it, a brick through the monitor?  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:17:40 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer, Message-ID: <44238EE4.A0A5337D@teksavvy.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:9 > So, if I mentioned CHARON-VAX, would that be spam, too?   D Yes, especially if you mention that it allows your cluster member toE grow by 3 inches, enables hard disks to last longer,  or that you are F the administrator of a large fortune and you would like to transfer it: to me in exchange for me sending you a large sum of money.    D I think the complaints about  the original post were probably raisedF because that post had gone to newsgroups outside of comp.os.vms and to? those people, the post was not appropriate for their newsgroup.   G In terms of Tom Linden, he probably allowed enough steam to come out of , his ears to contribute to global warming :-)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.165 ************************