1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 30 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 176       Contents:3 $30,000   INCOME EVERY DAY  GUARANTEED FOR ONE YEAR  11/780 diagnostics software?  Re: 11/780 diagnostics software? Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese? Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese? Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese?5 Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3 9 Re: Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3  Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: MOP software for Win/NT/XP?  OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem . Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS4 Re: SAP small business solutions now run on OpenVMS!G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer 0 Trouble with IA64 VMS V8.2-1 and DLT8000 drives?4 Re: Trouble with IA64 VMS V8.2-1 and DLT8000 drives?  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  Re: VMS Admin Position Available Re: X-server errors   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:37:48 -0500 & From: ISRAEL FAGBEMI<invest@vosar.net>< Subject: $30,000   INCOME EVERY DAY  GUARANTEED FOR ONE YEAR4 Message-ID: <qgJWf.5867$Hk1.2458@read1.cgocable.net>   <HTML> <HEAD>A <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing Control">  <TITLE></TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>7 <P><STRONG>$30,000 INCOME EVERY DAY GUARANTEED FOR ONE  O YEAR<BR></STRONG>Start your own online business<BR>Get pay up to $30,000 a day  F guaranteed<BR><A href="http://www.VOSAR.NET">WWW.VOSAR.NET</A><BR>TEL $ 416-903-5685<BR>TEL 775-333-1125</P> </BODY>  </HTML>    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:13:06 -0500 2 From: "Timothy Stark" <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: 11/780 diagnostics software? : Message-ID: <yLidnRjcp_lQx7bZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Hello folks,  L I am looking for 11/780 diagnostic software to test each instructions (full H VAX instruction set) includes G/H_floating, packing, etc..  Does anyone  still have a copy?  F I recently did implemented some VAX instructions like CIS and decimal J strings, etc. on my TS10 emulator for VAX-11/780 emulation.  I tried boot - OpenVMS with new instructions but it crashed. K I had disabled new CIS instructions to avoid crashes until they has tested  ! by diagnostics (for hidden bugs).    Thanks!  Tim    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 21:27:56 -0800 From: bob.birch@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: 11/780 diagnostics software? C Message-ID: <1143696476.035263.204930@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   < ....I am looking for 11/780 diagnostic software to test each instructions (fullG VAX instruction set) includes G/H_floating, packing, etc..  Does anyone  still have a copy?...   4 I have about 50+ RX01/02 type diskettes with all the,  780 diags, do you happen to know the diag # ( AS-T140F, AS-F7480-DE, etc) ?    Also 750 diags on mag tape and  , Also have the 780 diags from the guys out of4 Fredricksburg, Va. (can't recall their company name) who were later bought by TRW.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:27:12 GMT  From: hoff@hp.nospam () ' Subject: Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese? 2 Message-ID: <4RDWf.5559$3R1.4868@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <e02gtr$r4a$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:     |> How does EFN$C_ENF work?   A   It works, it helps performance, and it's really rather simple.    C   I prefer to use it, and I use it in most every piece of code that B I write now.  I particularly prefer to avoid all the SCHED fun andA (particularly when dealing with common event flags, though events A are also reported for local event flags) the rescheduling events.   C   When a real event flag is raised, you'll get local processing for B the IOSB, to see if it's gone non-zero.  If the IOSB remains zero,( then the event flag is assumed spurious.  C   Again, I cite that event flags are not my prefered solution when C coding.  (It took some very severe application pain to convince me  D of this, but I did eventually learn.  I also receieved the requisiteE volume of pain around locally-written and application-specific memory  management, too.)   C   BTW, using your own sys$synch with EFN$C_ENF is somewhat unusual. B (sys$qiow with an IOSB and EFI$C_ENF handles all this for you, for
 instance.)  C   If details of the implementation are of interest, do see the IDSM  and the source listings.         ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:52:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese? , Message-ID: <442B0FB3.AB3D0004@teksavvy.com>   hoff@hp.nospam wrote: E >   Again, I cite that event flags are not my prefered solution when 	 > coding.     I don't like them either BUT....  B since TCPIP services did not implement a timeout function to their# driver, I have had to do it myself.   G This forced me to do a $SETIMR with an event flag, and the actual IO to D the internet with an event flag, and then wait for either flag to beN set. (and check if it was a timeout of a succesful IO and prceed accordingly).  " Is there a better way to do this ?   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 15:48:20 -0800" From: "Jose Baars" <peut@peut.org>' Subject: Re: EFN$C_ENF Chalk or Cheese? C Message-ID: <1143676100.511277.309440@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > hoff@hp.nospam wrote: G > >   Again, I cite that event flags are not my prefered solution when  > > coding.  > " > I don't like them either BUT.... > D > since TCPIP services did not implement a timeout function to their% > driver, I have had to do it myself.  > I > This forced me to do a $SETIMR with an event flag, and the actual IO to F > the internet with an event flag, and then wait for either flag to beL > set. (and check if it was a timeout of a succesful IO and prceed accordin= gly).  > $ > Is there a better way to do this ?  5 I made this a few times, somewhat along these lines :   , You define a structure with a timeout field. Set up a timer and a qio. F Give both the qio as the timer AST routine as parameter the address of this structure. E In the timer AST routine you set a timeout flag in the structure, and . maybe deaccess the channel, or set up a retry.  B In the qio AST routine you cancel the timer, and check the timeout8 flag, depending on what you do in the timer AST routine.  F You do either a hiber() wake() ( I believe this is considered somewhatE evil as well?) thing or, you set up a new qio in the qio AST routine.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 13:59:22 -0800# From: "esmlima" <esmlima@gmail.com> > Subject: Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3C Message-ID: <1143669562.274958.149020@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B I need help installing BGE on an Alpha server running OpenVMS 7.3.E According to the documentation this product has expired for VMS after G 6.2. But in our production environment there are 2 servers with 7.2 and G 6.2-H3 VMS installed and working together with BGE. Those installations E were done a couple of years ago but the person who did the job cannot 
 be contacted.   ; Is it any workaround for this? I haven't found any detailed = documentation regarding BGE restrictions and history. Neither > information regarding the error codes... Does anyone have everF successfully installed this product? What I need is just reproduce theG software installation in order to create a development environment. Any  help would be appreciated.  9 The error reported by the installation procedure follows:    " ) The following products will be processed:      BGE023A_ V0.P     8         Beginning installation of BGE023A_ V0.P at 12:06  6 %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ...A %VMSINSTAL-I-RELMOVED, Product's release notes have been moved to 	 SYS$HELP. F %VMSINSTAL-E-EXPIRED, This product has expired after OpenVMS Alpha AXP	 version 6  .2= %VMSINSTAL-E-EXPIRED, Please contact your local Digital sales  representativeB %BGE023A_-E-VMSVER, This installation requires VMS version V5.5 or higher. C %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of BGE023A_ V0.P has failed.   >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY    )         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 12:07  "      Thanks in advance  Eduardo   E Obs.: Investigating the old servers VMINSTAL.HISTORY I found a DECSET A successfull installation record between two BGE023A_ installation F records, the first one Fails and the second one Succeds. Is it a clue?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:21:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3, Message-ID: <442B0878.1D16869E@teksavvy.com>   esmlima wrote:8 > %VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set A ...C > %VMSINSTAL-I-RELMOVED, Product's release notes have been moved to  > SYS$HELP. H > %VMSINSTAL-E-EXPIRED, This product has expired after OpenVMS Alpha AXP > version 6   ? What you can do is to BACKUP the contents of the A saveset to a < temporary directory. From thatr directory, you edit the fileG KITINSTAL.COM and look for the code that checks for the VMS version and G disable that check. Then use backup to recreate the .A saveset from the F files in that directory. You then bring the other savesets to the sameA directory as th erecreated .A saveset and can VMSINSTAL from that 2 modified kit. The installation will then proceeed.  D Make sure you do a big backup of your system disk before in case the  software is really incompatible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:18:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? , Message-ID: <442B0792.3A4B309B@teksavvy.com>  a http://news.com.com/AMD+lures+high-ranking+Itanium+designer/2100-1006_3-6055595.html?tag=nefd.top   G One senior fellow moves from Intel's IA64 group to AMD, and brings with  him 8 other IA64 engineers.   E So, the value of IA64 goes down in terms of the original post in this F thread since the mythical buyer of that IA64 thing would inherit fewer experienced engineers.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2006 23:42:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? + Message-ID: <490kb2Fmen6tU1@individual.net>   G In article <gs6dnSAWFPuEV7fZnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>, + 	Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: F >> Bill may be right in Alpha not competing with the rest of the field
 >> before, > H > Since the post to which you're replying said nothing about Alpha, I'm ' > not sure you meant this reply for me.   L I think he meant me this time, Bill.  Maybe people need to start refering to me as BillG.  :-)    > 9 >   but isn't this one of the contributing factors to the 
 >> Alphacide?  > H > No.  The cause of the Alphacide was Compaq's desire to get out of the K > processor development biz, pure and simple.  Pfeiffer briefly made Alpha  I > a centerpiece of Compaq's product line during the 9 - 10 months he was  I > at the helm after Compaq bought DEC, but as soon as Curly took over in  2 > April, 1999, Alpha was returned to the doghouse. > K > Had Alpha continued to be marketed as Pfeiffer started doing, positioned  G > squarely *against* the still-vaporous Itanic (and soon-to-be utterly  I > pathetic Merced) and given credible development resources to match the  J > sorry lies of the 'commitment to Alpha' letter, it would have succeeded E > more than adequately in the RISC market (since even while being so  G > grossly neglected it was *already* succeeding, in terms of being the  H > foundation for Compaq's largest source of product profits).  In other E > words, indeed Alpha was not competing, but it was not competing by  > > choice rather than because of any innate inability to do so. > - >>  If Alpha had competed for the mass market  > I > Alpha did, briefly, compete for the mass market, first in the infamous  H > DEC 'Affinity' program and then in its API products.  Of course, such K > efforts were somewhat disrupted by the uncertainties associated with the  I > Compaq takeover and then died quickly after Curly axed Windows support  5 > on Alpha soon after taking the reins from Pfeiffer.   6 I don't think even this counts as seriously competing.   bill (the other one!)   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2006 23:44:27 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? + Message-ID: <490kerFmen6tU2@individual.net>   , In article <442B0792.3A4B309B@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:c > http://news.com.com/AMD+lures+high-ranking+Itanium+designer/2100-1006_3-6055595.html?tag=nefd.top  > I > One senior fellow moves from Intel's IA64 group to AMD, and brings with  > him 8 other IA64 engineers.  > G > So, the value of IA64 goes down in terms of the original post in this H > thread since the mythical buyer of that IA64 thing would inherit fewer > experienced engineers.   C Buying a processor in no way gives you the engineers working on it. 3 We did away with slavery down here a long time ago.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:29:42 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? / Message-ID: <IOKdnUkuy4F9uLbZRVn-tg@libcom.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > F >> Bill may be right in Alpha not competing with the rest of the field
 >> before, >  > H > Since the post to which you're replying said nothing about Alpha, I'm ' > not sure you meant this reply for me.  > 8 >  but isn't this one of the contributing factors to the > 
 >> Alphacide?   F I'll jump into this and say that while Alpha wasn't doing much in the F way of expanding into other company's products, the current VMS, T64, B and to a much lesser extent Windows customers were of significant B numbers to fully support Alpha.  Furthermore, these products were D competitive against other vendor's products.  When customers needed G performance, Alpha was the front runner.  Cray used Alphas.  Rumor has  L it that customers such as Sandia Labs were quite put out about losing Alpha.  B Afterward, many of such customers are gone, or going, and now the I question of whether current customers could support Alpha probably has a  G different answer.  Add to that the much greater cost of a re-start and  I it's clear to anyone with open eyes that Alpha is truly dead.  EV7 could  F be produced longer if HP had the desire, which they apparently do not.  H > No.  The cause of the Alphacide was Compaq's desire to get out of the - > processor development biz, pure and simple.    Exactly!   >  Pfeiffer briefly made Alpha  I > a centerpiece of Compaq's product line during the 9 - 10 months he was  I > at the helm after Compaq bought DEC, but as soon as Curly took over in  2 > April, 1999, Alpha was returned to the doghouse. > K > Had Alpha continued to be marketed as Pfeiffer started doing, positioned  G > squarely *against* the still-vaporous Itanic (and soon-to-be utterly  I > pathetic Merced) and given credible development resources to match the  J > sorry lies of the 'commitment to Alpha' letter, it would have succeeded E > more than adequately in the RISC market (since even while being so  G > grossly neglected it was *already* succeeding, in terms of being the  H > foundation for Compaq's largest source of product profits).  In other E > words, indeed Alpha was not competing, but it was not competing by  > > choice rather than because of any innate inability to do so. > - >>  If Alpha had competed for the mass market  >  > I > Alpha did, briefly, compete for the mass market, first in the infamous  H > DEC 'Affinity' program and then in its API products.  Of course, such K > efforts were somewhat disrupted by the uncertainties associated with the  I > Compaq takeover and then died quickly after Curly axed Windows support  5 > on Alpha soon after taking the reins from Pfeiffer.  >  >  and if it had got > D >> that mass market in the same way that the Intel 32 bit chips have  F Not possible.  Alpha CPUs were not produced in sufficient quantity to C compete with IA-32 on the desktop.  The applications didn't exist.  < Entire markets, such as games, were not available for Alpha.  I > What possible reason would anyone have to think that was even remotely  C > possible?  To the degree that Alpha could run IA32 binaries (and  K > received at least some support for running Windows software natively) it  H > might have taken over some significant portion of the higher-end IA32 H > market (which is more than any other architecture seemed to have much K > chance of doing), but that's about it.  Alpha was never an 'IA32 killer'  E > by any stretch of the imagination:  it just had the opportunity to  J > capitalize on some of IA32's success by providing a high-end compatible I > alternative (I'm not sure that even Intel could have embraced Alpha to  E > the extent that it could have displaced IA32, given the continuing  # > competition from AMD and others).  >  > - bill  F Alpha could always compete with Power.  When Power dies, then you can C consider that Alpha also might have had problems.  Don't hold your  H breath.  IBM understands that when all else is equal, it's nice to have / something that puts you ahead of everyone else.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:30:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? , Message-ID: <442B26A0.B0834552@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > Buying a processor in no way gives you the engineers working on it. 5 > We did away with slavery down here a long time ago.   D When Curly murdered Alpha, he sold Alpha IP and engineers to Intel.   5 HP recently moved their IA64 engineers over to Intel.   F When Hockey teams are sold and moved to a new town, the hockey players have to move to the other town.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:55:09 -0600 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) ( Subject: Re: MOP software for Win/NT/XP?1 Message-ID: <06032914550989@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J After digging around I found an upgrade kit DSRVE-SK that will allow me to- upgrade the 90TL's and boot the things bootp.   
 Thanks WWWebb   D > Well, I can tell you from experience with several thousand of themG > that 700s will take a load from a bootp server-- even if it is a UNIX  > box  :-)   :-)   :-)   > D > It's been so long since I've played with anything in the 90 familyG > (first half of the 90s) that I can't be of much assistance with them.  > C > Extrapolating from what I recall on the 700s, however, going from E > WWENG1.SYS to WWENG2.SYS required that the DECservers have a larger F > amount of memory in them (4 MB minimum if memory, hehehe,  serves me5 > right).  That might be the case on the 90s as well.  >  > WWWebb > < > On 3/29/06, John Brandon <John.Brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:  	 >> I have  >> DECserver 700-08  >> DECserver 700-16  >> DECserver 90TL 	 >> DS90TM  >>I >> The software is MNENG1 - I have attempted to use MNENG2 and 3 and have # >> gotten failed loads on the 90TL.  >>M >> I suspect I can resolve the 700's and 90TM however the 90TL's look to be a  >> problem.  >> >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: William Webb [mailto:william.w.webb@gmail.com] + >> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:55 AM  >> To: BRANDON, JOHN M >> Cc: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com+ >> Subject: Re: MOP software for Win/NT/XP?  >> >>; >> On 3/29/06, BRANDON, JOHN M <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:  > 3 >>> > I have the need for a Windows version of MOP.  >>> >  >>> > Anything out there?  >>> >  >>> >  >>> > John "REBOOT" Brandon  >>> > VMS Systems Administrator 0 >>> > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com >>> >  >  >>1 >> You sure bootp wouldn't do for your situation?  >>	 >> WWWebb  >> >> -- F >> NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related >> correspondence.F >> All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for; >> services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at & >> http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/ >>       --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/          John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:58:43 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: OPA0 on DS10L problem) Message-ID: <op.s67bn5mvzgicya@hyrrokkin>   D Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using HypertermF to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I haveE confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I 8 loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both  ( SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0  
 Any ideas?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:04:50 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem) Message-ID: <op.s67eqcgczgicya@hyrrokkin>   7 On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:51:20 -0800, David J. Dachtera   - <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  >>G >> Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using Hyperterm I >> to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I have H >> confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I; >> loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both  >>+ >> SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0  >>
 >> Any ideas?  >   > I'm not clear on the question. > J > Can you get the serial console on the DS10L? Which COM port is it on? Is > there more than one COM port?  > G > If DECwindows loads at startup, try disabling that and see if the COM  > port becomes OPA0. > 8 > Just a guess... Don't have a DS10L to experiment with. >   H The problem is that I can't connect to the OPA0 port (COM2) on the DS10LK but can to the TTA0 port (COM1) on same machine from a W2K using Hyperterm.   B This works with an XP1000 with identical settings, as displayed byG SET TERM/FULL OPA0.  This has nothing to do with DECWindows.  Typically D when you connect in this manner you will get a console login prompt.   Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:51:20 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>" Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem6 Message-ID: <442B3998.CA0080A5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > F > Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using HypertermH > to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I haveG > confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I : > loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both > * > SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0 >  > Any ideas?   I'm not clear on the question.  H Can you get the serial console on the DS10L? Which COM port is it on? Is there more than one COM port?   E If DECwindows loads at startup, try disabling that and see if the COM  port becomes OPA0.  6 Just a guess... Don't have a DS10L to experiment with.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:48:37 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS + Message-ID: <442AE494.7771E1E@teksavvy.com>    "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:H > History has shown that attempting to market/sell *anything* against anB > M$ product is incompatible with a business relationship with M$.  G This is changing now. It isn't just the antitrust issue that is forcing G gates to be more subtle in his coersion. It is also the fact that there H are far fewer wintel manufacturers on the market now. In the past, GatesH could afford to piss off a manufacturer because he knew that in the end,H its small market share would just go elsewhere and the vendor would die.  E But now that the market has concentrated to Dell and HP, and now that C both are also selling Linux, Gates can no longer afford to piss off B vendors. Furthermore, the current stagnation of Windows means thatG Microsoft is switching roles. In its glory days, it was the master with 0 the vendors being the slaves begging for mercy.   H But now, Microsoft is becoming the slave that depends on the vendors forA revenus and I don't think MS has anywhere near the same amount of * leverage it used to have with the vendors.  F Piss off HP and HP will push Linux and Microsoft will lose significantG market shae especially since any Linux marketing by HP would rub off on / Dell sales and Dell would also sell more Linux.   D Also, VMS is totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things, soL Microsoft woudln't really worry if HP advertised a bit of VMS on 8086 boxes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:53:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS , Message-ID: <442B2C04.62341F6D@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:H > As long as HP has a rather large business of selling windoz PCs, thereF > is no way they will allow a small part of the company publicly trash& > their products.  Ain't gonna happen.  D You don't get it, do you. What difference does it make if HP sells aF computer with VMS loaded instead of Windows ? Oh, if it is loaded withC VMS, HP makes more profit and if HP promotes VMS, it means that any F effect it has on the amrkletplace will be focused on buying HP branded hardware instead of Dell boxes.   F Windows is NOT an HP product. HP doesn't have to push to seel Windows.G HP is a box assembler and makes profits with boxes, it doesn't make its  money selling Windows licences.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:39:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS / Message-ID: <IOKdnUguy4G0tbbZRVn-tg@libcom.com>    GreyCloud wrote: > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > I >> History has shown that attempting to market/sell *anything* against an C >> M$ product is incompatible with a business relationship with M$.  >>I >> There is nothing in M$ business practices since the monpoly conviction 2 >> that suggests that it is any more viable today. >>F >> It's not about size of the goulies, but the desire to retain them ! >> > G > That is the biggest obstacle today in competition with M$.  The only  J > leverage is the reputation of OpenVMS security and the insecurity of M$ I > windows.  Constant repitition of pointing this out to the public could  K > sway the pendulum.  And that will take a hefty marketing campaign budget.  >   G As long as HP has a rather large business of selling windoz PCs, there  E is no way they will allow a small part of the company publicly trash  $ their products.  Ain't gonna happen.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:41:27 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <442B3747.28D8DDBD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   GreyCloud wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > > GreyCloud wrote: > >  > >>David J. Dachtera wrote: > >> > >> > >>>GreyCloud wrote:  > >>>  > >>>   > >>>>davidc@montagar.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>I > >>>>>Given the existence of VMS Engineering as a collection of salaried C > >>>>>staff and harwdare investment to provide development/testing 9 > >>>>>environments - exactly how is this a "$0.00" cost?  > >>>>>  > >>>>N > >>>>VMS has already been developed.  So was the NextStep where Apple got theK > >>>>development tools.  Both have R&D.  Do you think Apple just twanged a G > >>>>magic wand and VOILA... a new o/s for a 970FX processor for free?  > >>>>K > >>>>The risk HP faces is the wrath of Gates.  They won't shoot a cash cow M > >>>>called XP.  If they did market a VMS PC, then marketing would be needed N > >>>>to market the PC to compete against XP.  The easiest thing for marketingH > >>>>then would be to advertise, which would be shooting that cash cow, > >>>  > >>> M > >>>O.k. Something I don't get here: unless M$ grants HP a tremendous amount K > >>>of room for markup, how does WhineBloze XP constitute a "cash cow" for G > >>>them? I thought the PC side of the biz was barely making a profit.  > >>>  > >>F > >>In this instance, HP makes a lot of billy boxes with XP installed.I > >>They also have presence in a lot of stores.  Public perceptions would E > >>have to change in order to make the shift to something other than  > >>windows. > >  > >  > > Gotta ask a question here: > > J > > When this comes up in discussion, almost invariably it is presented asI > > "VMS supplants Windows". How 'bout "VMS co-exists with Windows", just D > > like Mac co-exists with Windows (disregarding for the moment the2 > > on-going lack of OpenVMS-IA32 and/or -x86/64)? > >  > H > That is a good point.  Yes, VMS can co-exist with windows, but knowingF > Gates penchant to be top dog, I doubt that his marketing dept. would
 > allow that.  > D > Already Apple is being sniped at by M$ and also seen in many AppleI > newsgroups.  The same thing will happen *if* there were such a thing as  > a VMS PC.   D Well, the "white box" PC market lives on - at least here where I am,C anyway. A "VMS PC" should be little more than an Intel box with the D appropriate motherboard (CPU, chipsets, etc.) ala Solaris/x86 plus aH shrink-wrapped media package. Really, the only thing missing is the o.s.B and the software. All the other pieces have been around for years.  ; > One thing that VMS could easily and strongly use is their I > security track record.  Of course you'd have to rub M$ face in security - > issues from a marketing standpoint to win.    E Why? Folks consistently speak out AGAINST negative ads when they slam F someone else or their product. Point up the strengths: hack-resistant,G virus-resistant, nearly 30 years of reliability. That's all you need to  communicate.   > But if Vista does turn outG > to be secure as they say, which I highly doubt, then OpenVMS PC would E > not make it.  To me, Vista is just lipstick on an old pig and I can G > safely say that the virus problems won't go away.  Why?  Because they  > didn't do an o/s rewrite.  >  > > 4 > >>That would have to be the job of marketing dept. > >  > > - > > ...but not necessarily HP's, exclusively.  > N > I don't know if HP has its own marketing dept. or if they contract that out.  , Well, they have V.P.'s of Marketing, FWIW...  > > [snip]  From what I've read in here so far about the itaniumI > problems or delays, it may be in HPs best interest to start porting VMS ) > to the new 64-bit x86 type processors.     Another vote in favor ...   " > As long as companies like HP andC > AMD keep upping the ante on performance, windows gets the benefit G > without spending a dime.  Eventually, VMS is going to be left behind.   D "is going to be left behind"??!! Try was left behind five+ years ago effective as of The Alphacide.  I > Then what is HP going to do?  It seems they don't see the future vector 6 > of where they've been and where things are heading.   G Clearly, we're not talking about visionaries here. Otherwise, we'd have G seen VMS Alpha Multias marketed as a supported entry-level product (ala E uVAX-2K), OpenVMS-IA32 would have been up to feature-parity with -VAX @ for some time now, and OpenVMS-x86/64 would be in development in parallel with -I64.   E HP, like Compaq and DEC before it, is not opportunity's best friend -  and vice-versa, let's face it.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 21:20:02 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS B Message-ID: <1143696002.790038.36510@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  E I get it plenty.  The difference is that if HP sells home PC's loaded A with OpenVMS rather than Windows - they won't sell.  Period.  Joe ? Sixpack can't use OpenVMS.  The local computer store, Best Buy, F Walmart, Circuit City, Fry's, ... doesn't sell games, work processors,E tax preparation software, video cards, printers, scanners, Winmodems, A TV capture cards, and tons more that work with OpenVMS.  Once Joe D Sixpack takes his OpenVMS PC home, what does he do with it?  You betE it's secure - he can't use it.  The costs associated with porting and E testing OpenVMS on the platform, the hardware engineers designing and @ building the platform, and marketing dollars putting it on storeA shelves would be wasted - because you don't have the apps/add-ons > yourself, and you don't have 3rd-party buy-in to do it either.  D Something that many folks don't get - The Operating System isn't theF end product.  It's only a foundarion.  You want to sell OpenVMS?  SellF it to those who can use it.  Today.  At the top of the food chain withF large installations, to smaller installations.  You don't start at theG bottom in a market with thin margins, fickle consumers, and a unit that 2 provides no functional use to the target customer.  B OpenVMS has leadership position in business critical applications.G Clustering, scalability, security, and reliability are the keystones to @ its success.  Not PC games and instant messaging.  You market to@ business customers, first large, then smaller.  How much is yourC downtime worth?  OpenVMS is your insurance policy.  You expand from G your strengths, not jump in head first unprepared into a foolish market F with a product with zero ability for your target customer to see added value.  < But I'm just a programmer...  What do I know about business.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:33:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS , Message-ID: <442B6D7F.74F8D75E@teksavvy.com>   davidc@montagar.com wrote:G > I get it plenty.  The difference is that if HP sells home PC's loaded C > with OpenVMS rather than Windows - they won't sell.  Period.  Joe  > Sixpack can't use OpenVMS.      G Putting VMS on the 8086 doesn't mean that one expects HP to mass market G VMS to Joe Sixpack. But with VMS on the 8086, it allows HP to pitch VMS G to potential business customers and serious consumers. It allows VMS to H scale from laptop to dana centre, something it used to be able to do andF which was a HUGE asset which was squandered because at first DEC choseD not to pitch Alpha against the 8086, and now become those who manageG IA64 have put it on a self destruct course by restricting it to an ever % smaller market niche at the high end.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 08:19:00 +0100 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS / Message-ID: <e0ft8i$f4r$02$1@news.t-online.com>    GreyCloud schrieb: >>0 >> here you have answered the question yourself:G >> If an iMac can do it already, why resort to an obscure platform like * >> VMS on, hmm, alpha ? itanic ? or what ? >> > . > Simple.  OS X isn't as secure as OpenVMS is.   That's an unproven assumption.& You said you had no problem with Macs.5 I assume you have no problems with VMS boxes as well. < So that's 0:0. Add to that the much better support for MacOSG in the consumer space (compared to VMS), it's at least 1:0 for the Mac.   6 > After all the bragging about how secure OpenVMS is,   $ I think that's what it is, bragging.> Given the number of Billy's boxes exposed to the open internetG vs the number of VMS boxes (probably several orders of magnitude apart) 0 it's no wonder that VMS seems to be more secure.@ Few people (== hackers) have the chance to hit a VMS box at all,- and there's little "incentive" to crack them. B Crack some Windoze box, and zillions of PCs worldwide are at your  command, sort of.     > it would be a good I > marketing ploy to use.  Seems that all I see so far are excuses NOT to  " > do it.  It's HPs loss, not mine.  : Maybe they have figured it out already, what it would cost4 to establish a VMS based solution in the SOHO market2 to counter M$ (and Linux), vs the possible return.C The last company that tried a similar thing was IBM with their OS/2 8 in the mid 90s. They burnt a lot of marketing $ and even@ had a limited success (at least here in Germany), but in the end it flopped.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:26:26 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <6LqdnQtB3L2M5rbZRVn-gg@bresnan.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   > GreyCloud wrote: >  >>David J. Dachtera wrote: >> >> >>>GreyCloud wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>David J. Dachtera wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>GreyCloud wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>   >>>>>>davidc@montagar.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I >>>>>>>Given the existence of VMS Engineering as a collection of salaried C >>>>>>>staff and harwdare investment to provide development/testing 9 >>>>>>>environments - exactly how is this a "$0.00" cost?  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>N >>>>>>VMS has already been developed.  So was the NextStep where Apple got theK >>>>>>development tools.  Both have R&D.  Do you think Apple just twanged a G >>>>>>magic wand and VOILA... a new o/s for a 970FX processor for free?  >>>>>>K >>>>>>The risk HP faces is the wrath of Gates.  They won't shoot a cash cow M >>>>>>called XP.  If they did market a VMS PC, then marketing would be needed N >>>>>>to market the PC to compete against XP.  The easiest thing for marketingH >>>>>>then would be to advertise, which would be shooting that cash cow, >>>>>  >>>>> M >>>>>O.k. Something I don't get here: unless M$ grants HP a tremendous amount K >>>>>of room for markup, how does WhineBloze XP constitute a "cash cow" for G >>>>>them? I thought the PC side of the biz was barely making a profit.  >>>>>  >>>>F >>>>In this instance, HP makes a lot of billy boxes with XP installed.I >>>>They also have presence in a lot of stores.  Public perceptions would E >>>>have to change in order to make the shift to something other than  >>>>windows. >>>  >>>  >>>Gotta ask a question here:  >>> I >>>When this comes up in discussion, almost invariably it is presented as H >>>"VMS supplants Windows". How 'bout "VMS co-exists with Windows", justC >>>like Mac co-exists with Windows (disregarding for the moment the 1 >>>on-going lack of OpenVMS-IA32 and/or -x86/64)?  >>>  >>H >>That is a good point.  Yes, VMS can co-exist with windows, but knowingF >>Gates penchant to be top dog, I doubt that his marketing dept. would
 >>allow that.  >>D >>Already Apple is being sniped at by M$ and also seen in many AppleI >>newsgroups.  The same thing will happen *if* there were such a thing as  >>a VMS PC.  >  > F > Well, the "white box" PC market lives on - at least here where I am,E > anyway. A "VMS PC" should be little more than an Intel box with the F > appropriate motherboard (CPU, chipsets, etc.) ala Solaris/x86 plus aJ > shrink-wrapped media package. Really, the only thing missing is the o.s.D > and the software. All the other pieces have been around for years. >  > ; >>One thing that VMS could easily and strongly use is their I >>security track record.  Of course you'd have to rub M$ face in security - >>issues from a marketing standpoint to win.   >  > G > Why? Folks consistently speak out AGAINST negative ads when they slam H > someone else or their product. Point up the strengths: hack-resistant,I > virus-resistant, nearly 30 years of reliability. That's all you need to  > communicate. >   D In a sense, the opposing marketing dept. won't take the positive ad H strengths as being positive.  M$ has already done the negative comments A towards Linux as it being a cancer.  Yet they still are dominant.   4 >>>>That would have to be the job of marketing dept. >>>  >>> , >>>...but not necessarily HP's, exclusively. >>N >>I don't know if HP has its own marketing dept. or if they contract that out. >  > . > Well, they have V.P.'s of Marketing, FWIW... >   0 Ok, then it is their responsibility to the line.   > > >>[snip]  From what I've read in here so far about the itaniumI >>problems or delays, it may be in HPs best interest to start porting VMS ) >>to the new 64-bit x86 type processors.   >  >  > Another vote in favor ...  >  > " >>As long as companies like HP andC >>AMD keep upping the ante on performance, windows gets the benefit G >>without spending a dime.  Eventually, VMS is going to be left behind.  >  > F > "is going to be left behind"??!! Try was left behind five+ years ago  > effective as of The Alphacide.  > Well, not yet anyway.  I see it more like fading into history.0 I realize what the stupidity of Compaq had done.I More than likely go down in history as the biggest management blunder of  
 all times.   >  > I >>Then what is HP going to do?  It seems they don't see the future vector 6 >>of where they've been and where things are heading.  >  > I > Clearly, we're not talking about visionaries here. Otherwise, we'd have I > seen VMS Alpha Multias marketed as a supported entry-level product (ala G > uVAX-2K), OpenVMS-IA32 would have been up to feature-parity with -VAX B > for some time now, and OpenVMS-x86/64 would be in development in > parallel with -I64.   / HP is lacking any visionary drive to do better.    > G > HP, like Compaq and DEC before it, is not opportunity's best friend -   > and vice-versa, let's face it. >   H Oh, I'm seeing how it went.  Strange tho that HP isn't the only company ! acting like there is no tomorrow.    --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 14:34:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: SAP small business solutions now run on OpenVMS! 3 Message-ID: <$P05i5PDH$Op@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <1143640112.650828.319740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> writes: F > IIRC that was a product they acquired to "enhance" their product setB > and claim penetration into the small business market.  It is not > related to SAP as we know it.  > > > I doubt very much that it is or ever would be a VMS product.  G Please include context in your posts so your pronouns have antecedents.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 11:56:00 -0800' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application DeveloperB Message-ID: <1143662160.142540.79150@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   Alexander Schreiber wrote:( > toby <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote: > >  > > Alexander Schreiber wrote:+ > >> toby <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:  > >> >  > >> > Christopher Browne wrote:U > >> >> Clinging to sanity, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> mumbled into her beard: $ > >> >> > davidc@montagar.com wrote:M > >> >> >> >From the description, this looks like an excellent book for a new S > >> >> >> OpenVMS Programmer.  Thanks for the effort in putting this bok together. 	 > >> >> > P > >> >> > It does look interesting. As a hobbyist I wish I could justify the $90E > >> >> > - but coincidentally my day job is currently building MySQL N > >> >> > applications on other operating systems. It's fascinating that MySQLO > >> >> > has made it to VMS and is considered a useful component there (too) - 2 > >> >> > whether one approves of MySQL or not ;-) > >> >> H > >> >> I have a hard time fathoming how MySQL would be of interest on aJ > >> >> platform that has a full-fledged ISAM system, RMS, *built into theI > >> >> operating system*, but I suppose there are all types out there...  > >> >N > >> > MySQL is a rather different animal. For one thing, it offers SQL out ofN > >> > the box. Its popularity elsewhere means that skills can be transferred;N > >> > MySQL is easy to configure and maintain. Web applications built for theG > >> > LAMP stack become portable to VMS. MySQL offers transactions and H > >> > replication (and v5 includes triggers, stored procedures, and theF > >> > kitchen sink). Just a few things that come immediately to mind. > >>. > >> It also doesn't believe in data integrity > > I > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. The developers may disagree. When  > > did you last use it? > I > Gave it up a few years ago in disgust and switched over to a real RDBMS  > (PostgreSQL).  >  > Try the following: >  > create table test (val int);- > insert into test (val) values (4294967296);  > : > Notice the lack of a type constraint error being raised. >  > select * from test;  > , > with MySQL (last tested with 4.0) you get: > mysql> select * from test; > +------------+ > | val        | > +------------+ > | 2147483647 | > +------------+ > 1 row in set (0.00 sec)  > 8 > WTF? A so-called RDBMS that silently fucks up my data?  D All these are well known in past versions and likely fixed in recent ones.   F By the way, the developers are committed to product quality and really= do listen to feedback. How many db vendors have this level of 0 transparency: http://bugs.mysql.com/bugstats.php  G I was talking to MySQL people this morning actually and just bought two  Network licenses today.   G MySQL is now a serious contender. Their problems are trying to overcome G people's preconceptions about the name - i.e. marketing, not technical. 1 This thread illustrates the marketing difficulty.    > D > Trying the same with PostgreSQL I get the expected "ERROR:  dtoi4:- > integer out of range" and no data inserted.  > H > Also, it doesn't support ACID by default (another WTF moment), one hasJ > to switch to a special table type (InnoDB) to get at least transactions. > G > I've come to regard the use of MySQL instead of a real RDBMS as a big J > warning sign "has no clue about databases". I've seen far too many MySQL* > applications where that one was true :-( > 
 > Regards, >        Alex. > --M > "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and M >  looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:04:03 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer, Message-ID: <_7GWf.4227$C85.3566@dukeread10>   Alexander Schreiber wrote:& > Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:@ >> You can choose between speed (MyISAM) and integrity (InnoDB).  + >Which is a creative approach[1] in itself. F  > [1] And being creative when implementing a RDBMS is as good an idea  >     as creative accounting.   ????  < Most people consider the ability to choose between different& types of characteristics a good thing.  > And if creativity was a bad thing in database I guess we would; still be using hierachical databases (ot whatever the first  databases were).   > And it is interesting to see5 >what will happen, now that Oracle has bought InnoDB.   + I guess this is what is usually called FUD.    >> 4.1 added subqueries. > < > Finally, after it was "right around the corner" for years.   And ?   ; Is a feature less valuable because it is not 10 years old ?   B >> 5.0 added views (and stored proceduresd which I would not use). >  > You don't trust them yet? *g*   ; In most professional software development nowadays database > independence is a must and therefore SP's are on the forbidden list.   * > Stored procedures are a must. Views too.  
 VIEWS yes.  : SP's no (not until SP's becomes portable among databases).   >> What more do you want ? > E > Data integrity would be nice. Full ACID too. Referential integrity.    Done. Done. Done.   / Just requires people to write TYPE=INNODB once.   A > A less fucked up way to manage users. To cite the manual[0] for  > creating users:  > D > GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,CREATE,DROP ON bankaccount.* TO / > 'custom'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'obscure';    > How about: > , > create user foobar with password 's3kr3t';$ > grant select on finance to foobar; > drop user foobar;  >  > As used in another RDBMS?   ? I do not care much about the SQL syntax. It is not that hard to  learn.  4 Some people may like the extra security in the MySQL way of doing it.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:11:12 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer, Message-ID: <HeGWf.4228$C85.3494@dukeread10>   Christopher Browne wrote: B > The thing is, MySQL is little more than a thin layering of a notE > terribly consistent SQL "processor" on top of something rather less  > mature than RMS...  6 This reminds me of one day in 94 or 95 where a DEC VAR: guy was asked about if he think it was wise of DEC to work< together with Microsoft and the reply was that Microsoft was5 just a small company that noone should  be afraid of.   0 Lots of companies use MySQL today for databases.  ) Maybe not Oracle & DB2 configs, but still * hundres og gigabytes of data and huge apps (typical web apps).   / And belive me RMS index-sequential files or any 0 other ISAM file library would not be a practical alternative.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:12:18 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer, Message-ID: <JfGWf.4229$C85.2360@dukeread10>   Marc Schlensog wrote: $ > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:54:01 -0500E > Just for interest: What would be a viable zero-/lowcost alternative + > that covers the same needs as mySQL does?    VMS: good question  ( Windows & Linux: PostgreSQL and Firebird   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:21:43 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer, Message-ID: <yoGWf.4230$C85.1037@dukeread10>   Alexander Schreiber wrote:( > toby <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote: >> Alexander Schreiber wrote: - >>> It also doesn't believe in data integrity H >> I'm not sure what you mean by this. The developers may disagree. When >> did you last use it?    > Try the following: >  > create table test (val int);- > insert into test (val) values (4294967296);  > : > Notice the lack of a type constraint error being raised. >  > select * from test;  > , > with MySQL (last tested with 4.0) you get: > mysql> select * from test; > +------------+ > | val        | > +------------+ > | 2147483647 | > +------------+ > 1 row in set (0.00 sec)  > 9 > WTF? A so-called RDBMS that silently fucks up my data?     Cute little bug.  $ And it is in newer versions as well.  4 But it does not prove in any way your claim "It also8 doesn't believe in data integrity". To do that you would9 need to show that it was a design decision. Most software 	 has bugs.   H > Also, it doesn't support ACID by default (another WTF moment), one hasJ > to switch to a special table type (InnoDB) to get at least transactions.   And ?   6 Some people need transactions. Some people do not need
 transactions.   4 MySQL wanted to be able to give both what they want.   Not a bad thing.  < And you can set the default table type as you want it to be.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 13:38:32 -0500 4 From: "Doug Kimball" <dougkimball@spammydavisjr.net>9 Subject: Trouble with IA64 VMS V8.2-1 and DLT8000 drives? 0 Message-ID: <122ll19jonhia53@corp.supernews.com>  L Does anyone know of problems/incompatibility between Itanium OpenVMS V8.2-1 J and DLT8000 tape drives? The devices show up on the rx2600 just fine, but M trying to MOUNT/FOR a tape in the drives yields an eternal hang that must be   forcibly killed off.   --     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:48:19 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>= Subject: Re: Trouble with IA64 VMS V8.2-1 and DLT8000 drives? 6 Message-ID: <442B38E3.52EE0D32@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Doug Kimball wrote:  > M > Does anyone know of problems/incompatibility between Itanium OpenVMS V8.2-1 K > and DLT8000 tape drives? The devices show up on the rx2600 just fine, but N > trying to MOUNT/FOR a tape in the drives yields an eternal hang that must be > forcibly killed off.  E Do you have a support contract? This should be reported thru official 	 channels.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 11:56:51 -0800- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> ) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available C Message-ID: <1143662211.702255.194600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > what email address?   G Since you're using google, if you click on the underscored "..." in the G address, google will ask you to key in the displayed characters. If you > correctly do so, it will then show you the full email address.  C Since you're using google, if you click Show Options in the message G heading, and choose Reply from that display, the full message text will A be quoted. Or, if you highlight the text you want to quote before F clicking on Reply at the bottom of the message, then that text will be quoted.    HTH    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:43:14 -0600 " From: VMS Guy <vmsguy@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available * Message-ID: <442AF162.9060206@comcast.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   >what email address? >  >    >  vmsguy@comcast.net  " DFW?  Dallas - Fort Worth - Texas!   Yes, a defered write.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 13:01:18 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com ) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available C Message-ID: <1143666078.110104.174960@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    maybe I should rephrase that to    "I do not guess" ...   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 13:05:05 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com ) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available B Message-ID: <1143666305.704292.74660@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  9 how about why now when I go into a thread I always end up 9 at the top at message one when before they changed things 8 I would end up at the most recent message posted?  I can find no setting for this ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:05:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available , Message-ID: <442AF681.96AA7176@teksavvy.com>   VMS Guy wrote:$ > DFW?  Dallas - Fort Worth - Texas!    E I figured that if anyone had to ask for the meaning of DFW, he/she/it H was probably not in the region and wouldn't be interested in that offer.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2006 16:19:08 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available C Message-ID: <1143677948.445068.218170@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   C David>> Whatsa matter Hein?  You approaching your tolerance limits?  :-)   E Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Frequent readers possibly figured out that my G snide remark was not so much directed to the question on hand, but more E towards other 'exciting' original questions Bob posts along the lines  of:..   2 > SAP small business solutions now run on OpenVMS!  @ > why hasn't oracle ported their ecommerce suite to OpenVMS yet?  2 > so called IT pros looking for disaster recovery?  2 > Sun says solaris, hpux have something in common!  % Bob>> maybe I should rephrase that to  >> "I do not guess" ...   * Thanks for the restraint in replying, Bob.  E Doug>>  if you click on the underscored "..." in the  address, google  will ask   Cool! I forgot all about that. Thanks for the reminder.   Cheers all,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:45:59 -0600 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available 6 Message-ID: <442B3857.707A51E5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > ; > how about why now when I go into a thread I always end up ; > at the top at message one when before they changed things : > I would end up at the most recent message posted?  I can > find no setting for this ...  $ It does still say "Beta", however...  ) Seems they've introduced a new "feature".    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:37:02 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: X-server errors, Message-ID: <442ae1df$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> wrote in message 5 news:9f9d1$442a994c$82a13cad$7882@news1.tudelft.nl... 	 > Hi all,  > F > Can someone point me to some easy way to interpret the cryptic error? > messages (see examples below) coming from OpenVMS's X-server?  >  > F > The reason for asking is that I noticed that programs using a recentE > version of GTK2 (i.e. Fedora core 5, My own port of GTK2 for VMS, A I > compilation of GTK2 on OS-X) seem to fail when displayed using a screen F > connected to a VMS machine and thus using the VMS X-server. The sameI > executables run fine when using a a screen connected to a linux machine $ > and thus using the linux X-server. > ; > I tested this for OpenVMS8.2 on Alpha with Decwindows 1.5  > J > I wonder if this is a bug in GTK2 or in DecWindows. In the latter case IJ > can open a support-request at HP. The former case will be more difficultB > since no help is to be expected from the devlopers of GTK (their > application seems to work).  >  > I > When running the program on linux and displaying on a VMS-screen I get:  > aaee-jj ) ./minimal --rsync : > The program 'minimal' received an X Window System error.. > This probably reflects a bug in the program.: > The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.D >    (Details: serial 363 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0)J >    (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;C >     that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. @ >     To debug your program, run it with the --sync command lineC >     option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful D >     backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() > function.) > aaee-jj )  >  >  > F > When running the same application on VMS and displaying on the local > system, I get : ) > troika-jj) mc []minimal_gtk2.exe --sync 
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