1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 30 Mar 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 177       Contents:  Re: 11/780 diagnostics software?1 ANN: HGFTP V3.1-3 (corrects OpenVMS V8.x problem)   Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout$ Re: Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout$ Re: Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout DS15 internal SCSI cable2 Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS9 Re: Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3  Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: Intel to sell itanium? Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem  Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem . Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS4 Re: SAP small business solutions now run on OpenVMS!$ SuperDLT Tabletop Drives going cheapG Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer G Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer  TPU-E-INVINTERFACE Re: TPU-E-INVINTERFACE  Re: VMS Admin Position Available  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:11:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: Re: 11/780 diagnostics software? ) Message-ID: <op.s68ccmwuzgicya@hyrrokkin>   3 On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:13:06 -0800, Timothy Stark   # <fsword7_nospam@comcast.net> wrote:    > Hello folks, > I > I am looking for 11/780 diagnostic software to test each instructions    > (full I > VAX instruction set) includes G/H_floating, packing, etc..  Does anyone  > still have a copy? > G > I recently did implemented some VAX instructions like CIS and decimal K > strings, etc. on my TS10 emulator for VAX-11/780 emulation.  I tried boot / > OpenVMS with new instructions but it crashed. G > I had disabled new CIS instructions to avoid crashes until they has    > tested# > by diagnostics (for hidden bugs).  > 	 > Thanks!  > Tim  > I The PL/I test suite for the VAX excercises most of those instructions, if  interested, write me off-line  Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:18:43 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> : Subject: ANN: HGFTP V3.1-3 (corrects OpenVMS V8.x problem)* Message-ID: <442C12F3.8040302@goatley.com>  + HGFTP V3.1-3 is now available for download.    It will run with> any of the TCP/IP stacks for VMS and can be used instead of or; in addition to your existing stack's FTP client and server.   C HGFTP V3.1-1 is now available for download.  HGFTP is an FTP client E and server for OpenVMS VAX, OpenVMS Alpha, and OpenVMS IA64.  It runs E with MultiNet (VAX and Alpha), TCPware (VAX and Alpha), CMU-IP (VAX), B and HP TCP/IP Services (VAX, Alpha, and IA64).  It has a number ofE features not supported by other VMS FTP clients and servers including > support for STRU O VMS (which TCP/IP Services lacks), multipleE anonymous FTP accounts, support for "ftp:" URLs, support for FTP site A aliases, and lots more.  It can be used instead of or in addition / to your existing stack's FTP client and server.   @ This version corrects a problem introduced by OpenVMS Alpha V8.x? that caused the FTP Listener to exit when an user authorization < failure occurred. This version works around the V8.x change.   http://www.process.com/openvms/   5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip : http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip   And on the other mirrors.    --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:16:33 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> ) Subject: Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060330111502.02308bf8@raptor.psccos.com>   C I have the following device status displaying on one of my systems:   G VOODOO$DKA100:          MntVerifyTimeout     0  VMSBUILD       9558080   2   1 !                          dismount   4 Any way of clearing this without rebooting the node?   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:32:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout , Message-ID: <442C2430.2F761901@teksavvy.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: H > VOODOO$DKA100:          MntVerifyTimeout     0  VMSBUILD       9558080 > 2   1 # >                          dismount  > 6 > Any way of clearing this without rebooting the node?  E You need certain chants and incantations as well as burn some special  candles :-)   F I think that one of the reasons that dismount is failing is that thereA are still opened files on the volume. The mount verification will H prevent you from doing much to it, and the dismount fails because of theF opened files.  I succeeded once in recovering from this mess because IC knew which files were opened/installed., but most times, I couldn't ! succeed and reboot was necessary.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:48:00 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> - Subject: Re: Device stuck in MntVerifyTimeout A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060330114728.023c2850@raptor.psccos.com>   @ Yeah, I knew it was opened files (actually, an installed image).  & At 11:32 AM 3/30/2006, JF Mezei wrote: >Dan O'Reilly wrote:J > > VOODOO$DKA100:          MntVerifyTimeout     0  VMSBUILD       9558080	 > > 2   1 % > >                          dismount  > > 8 > > Any way of clearing this without rebooting the node? > F >You need certain chants and incantations as well as burn some special >candles :-) > G >I think that one of the reasons that dismount is failing is that there B >are still opened files on the volume. The mount verification willI >prevent you from doing much to it, and the dismount fails because of the G >opened files.  I succeeded once in recovering from this mess because I D >knew which files were opened/installed., but most times, I couldn't" >succeed and reboot was necessary.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 10:45:19 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>! Subject: DS15 internal SCSI cable B Message-ID: <1143744319.899238.89290@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  C We're adding a DS15 to an existing distributed set of DS10 systems.   G (Purchased through a third party reseller since we can't sell a million G bucks worth of these a year and so are no longer worthy to be resellers  ourselves, thank you HP)  A The DS10s are configured with 4 hard drives; two internal and two G universals in a front access cage; the internal disks are on a separate E controller than the universals; shadowing is run between the internal G disks on one channel and the front access disks on the other.  The DS10 F quickspec provided a part number 3X-BN51A-SE 3-connector cable for theC SCSI cable used for either internal or front access cage drives; we G have two in each system generally feeding from a pair of KZPCA or KZPBA  controllers.  A The DS15 quickspec indicates a cable is "provided" with the front C access cage, but no part number is given; its different because its G apparently a 4-connector cable.  I can't find a separate listing for an E internal cable in the specs.  The cable is also not identified in the D owner's guide.  The DS15 and its cable are not accessible so I can't> get a part number from it (if there even is one on the cable).  F Since the DS15 cable is used with the embedded U160 controller I'm notG even sure if a second such cable would work from a PCI based controller # (length or other packaging issues?)   E So... anyone got a part number or recommendation for a U160-compliant > cable for use between internal disks in a DS15 and a PCI based, controller?  Will the DS10 part number work?   Thanks!    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 12:11:44 -06004 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt); Subject: Re: How to use telnet to brows web page within VMS 3 Message-ID: <1Bjeg9f7OpRi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1143068191.165768.170160@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:D > In addition to what Hoff posted, I can recommend the cURL product,G > which is available for VMS; you can get both command line tools and a = > library to develop your own programs.  It is quite capable.  >  > http://curl.haxx.se/ >  > Rich >   9 This was one of the main reasons I did a rudimentary port ; of cURL in the first place.  I wanted to get and parse web  : pages on my VMS box.  I used it at my former job to check : up on various webservices we were running and to do basic  login and session validation.   = It is evry easy to write C programs that use the cURL library / to do this. (Well, it was for me anyway, YMMV).    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 05:33:13 -0800# From: "esmlima" <esmlima@gmail.com> B Subject: Re: Installing Basestar Graphics Enabler (BGE) on VMS 7.3C Message-ID: <1143725593.615578.103320@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   E I've used the VMSINSTAL command with OPTIONS RSP=A params. It gave me 2 the oportunity to change the KITINSTAL.COM file...   It worked fine. 
 Thanks a lot!    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 2006 13:00:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? + Message-ID: <49233nFm3h7iU1@individual.net>   , In article <442B26A0.B0834552@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >> Buying a processor in no way gives you the engineers working on it.6 >> We did away with slavery down here a long time ago. > F > When Curly murdered Alpha, he sold Alpha IP and engineers to Intel.   D No, he can't "sell" the engineers.  They are free to find employmentB anywhere they want.  If they went, it was willingly.  After being 9 screwed by Curly why would they not want to go elsewhere?    > 7 > HP recently moved their IA64 engineers over to Intel.   I Or, to be more accurate, HP told them they were stopping IA64 development 8 but the engineers had jobs at Intel if they wanted them.   > H > When Hockey teams are sold and moved to a new town, the hockey players! > have to move to the other town.   B The pleyers are free to leave if they wish.  Sports teams are evenB more unique than cpu engineers as there is probably less availableD work for them.  But none of that changes the fact that you can't ownB people on our sude of the border.  Things may be different on your side.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 07:42:49 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? 3 Message-ID: <RwKYKOgShYgj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <490kerFmen6tU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >   E > Buying a processor in no way gives you the engineers working on it. 5 > We did away with slavery down here a long time ago.   C    So the engineers are fired by the seller and offered jobs by the A    buyer.  Often the job offer comes with benefits that are quite @    attractive over what the engineer can get on the open market,D    like continuing thier retirement plan or waiving the pre-existing.    condition clause on thier new medical plan.  C    The result is not slavery (the engineer gets to decide), but has 7    the desired affect (most folks will take the offer).    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 2006 14:04:01 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? + Message-ID: <4926qhFlglfvU1@individual.net>   3 In article <RwKYKOgShYgj@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <490kerFmen6tU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  F >> Buying a processor in no way gives you the engineers working on it.6 >> We did away with slavery down here a long time ago. > E >    So the engineers are fired by the seller and offered jobs by the C >    buyer.  Often the job offer comes with benefits that are quite B >    attractive over what the engineer can get on the open market,F >    like continuing thier retirement plan or waiving the pre-existing0 >    condition clause on thier new medical plan. > E >    The result is not slavery (the engineer gets to decide), but has 9 >    the desired affect (most folks will take the offer).  >   E I know that and you know that, but JF seemed to think these engineers E had no choice in the matter.  And, sports teams are another matter as H they seem to be able to do lots of things that would be illegal in otherD businesses (like owner agreed upon salary caps, sounds too much likeG collusion and price-fixing to me.  wonder where these "businesses" fall  in regards to RICO laws?)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 07:44:43 -0800- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? C Message-ID: <1143733483.643862.270360@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  D > The pleyers are free to leave if they wish.  Sports teams are evenD > more unique than cpu engineers as there is probably less availableF > work for them.  But none of that changes the fact that you can't ownD > people on our sude of the border.  Things may be different on your > side.  >   D Your point is supported by recent defections from the Itanium design team to AMD.  F Samuel Naffziger an Intel fellow and ex HP employee and 8 of his staff@ from the Intel Fort Colins facility have left Intel to join AMD.C Naffziger was Director of Itanium Circuits and Technology at Intel, 2 before that at HP he was a lead Itanium developer.  D Apparently they will be working at the AMD esign center in Longmont, Colo.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:16:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? , Message-ID: <442C126D.7B10B456@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > No, he can't "sell" the engineers.  They are free to find employmentC > anywhere they want.  If they went, it was willingly.  After being ; > screwed by Curly why would they not want to go elsewhere?   H Look, be realistic. When Compaq signed the deal with Intel, the value ofH the Alpha engineers was factored into the deal. Intel didn't do Compaq aH favour by promising to hire those engineer and keep them occupied. IntelM wanted those engineers because they are the best and Intel needs such people.   F When Compaq bought Digital, all the Digital employees suddently becameC Compaq employees. But a good part of the value of Digital Equipment H Corporation was its employees, especially in the support/consulting arm.  Compaq paid good money for that.  F Those alpha engineers who didn't lift a finger would have become IntelE employees with all the paperwork done automatically. Those who didn't F want to work for Intel and found employment elsewhere had to quit from( their employer (which had become Intel).  F Think of it as selling a division to another company. The employees in> that division automatically become employees of the new owner.  G Especially in the IT industry, brains are a big part of a corporation's ? assets. In fact, when companies such as Google buy smaller .com B companies, it is usually to acquire the people in that company andE often, the total value of the transaction is dependant on how many of G the key employees are retained under the new owner.  When IBM purchased F Lotus, that was a big factor because many of the employees threathenedH to quit because they didn't want to become "blue suits". IBM had to makeH a lot of promises to maintain the Lotus environment intact and not force3 the Lotus employees to "conform" to IBM lifestyles.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:24:35 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? , Message-ID: <442C1451.8B99E3A0@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > I know that and you know that, but JF seemed to think these engineers  > had no choice in the matter.    F They had no choice. The division is moved/sold to Intel, the employees follow automatically.   A And yes, they had a choice to quit, just like they had before the G transaction. But they did not have the choice to remain at the same job 0 in the same departtment with their old employer.  A In the case of the Intel transactions for Alpha, I heard that the D engineers didn't even have to change desks. The transaction involved< Intel taking responsibility for that office space as well as? workstations and licences for the chip design software etc etc.   E Ask yourself this: did Compaq give those engineers severance packages H because it was closing that division and firing all its employees ? No. F It transfered all HR issues over to the new owner of that division andA from Compaq's point of view, it did not have to provide severance F packages because it gave/sold the division ALONG WITH ITS EMPLOYEES toN Intel, so it all became Intel's responsability to deal with its new employees.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:32:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Intel to sell itanium? , Message-ID: <442C160F.433E9E49@teksavvy.com>  
 Andrew wrote: F > Your point is supported by recent defections from the Itanium design > team to AMD.  E These are defection from **INTEL** TO AMD. Those employees were ex HP E employees whose employent was transfered over to Intel as part of a 3 C billion dollar transaction.  Those employees were free to quit from H their current job at Intel. They did not have a choice to remain with HP< when HP made the transaction to move that division to Intel.  F When company A is purchased by company B, the employees have no choiceD in the matter. From the day of the signing of the transaction, the AH employees become B employees. B may grandfather A's salaries and workingG conditions for those employees, but they are still B employees from now . on and they don't have a choice in the matter.    F Another way to look at the transaction:   Intel didn'T pick and chooseE which particular Alpha employees they wanted. They got them all under D the transaction. And then, those who weren't happy to work for Intel/ quit from Intel and found employment elsewhere.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:29:29 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>" Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem* Message-ID: <442bcf2a@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message# news:op.s67bn5mvzgicya@hyrrokkin... F > Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using HypertermH > to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I haveG > confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I : > loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both > * > SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0 >  > Any ideas?   What speed and other settings?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:50:53 -0500 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> " Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problemI Message-ID: <8660a3a10603300450o402b43bdh38ef58af17d80710@mail.gmail.com>   . On 3/29/06, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:F > Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using HypertermH > to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I haveG > confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I : > loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both > * > SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0 >  > Any ideas? > ; The DS10L has two DB9 serial ports which are TTA0 and TTB0.   . You use TTA0 as the console port on the DS10L.  2 I, too, don't understand what you're trying to do.   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:57:35 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> " Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem) Message-ID: <op.s68bp9ttzgicya@hyrrokkin>   H On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:29:29 -0800, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>   wrote:   > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message% > news:op.s67bn5mvzgicya@hyrrokkin... G >> Using a DB9 null modem cable I can connect from a PC using Hyperterm I >> to either TTA0 or OPA0 on an XP1000, but only TTA0 on a DS10L.  I have H >> confirmed that the settings for OPA0 are identical for the two.  If I; >> loop the cable on the DS10L from TTA0 to OPA0 I can both  >>+ >> SET HOST/DTE OPA0  and SET HOST/DTE TTA0  >>
 >> Any ideas?  >   > What speed and other settings? >  NORNS> sho term opa0/full @ Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: No Owner  C     Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None 1     Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24    Terminal Characteristics: F     Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No EscapeC     No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No Tab H     Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No EightbitD     Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupF     No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No HangupF     No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedH     No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbackG     No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru L     No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortJ     Numeric Keypad     No ANSI_CRT        No Regis           No Block_modeH     No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2J     No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color     VMS Style Input   J Which is identical to the settings on an XP1000 to which I can connect.    The portG is clearly working as demonstrated by the loop test I described.  The    hyperterm is setup as a VT100 9600-8-N-1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:18:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem, Message-ID: <442C12FB.B4F97B1C@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote:  > NORNS> sho term opa0/full B > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: No Owner > E >     Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None 3 >     Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24   D Not sure about OPA0 drivers on Alpha, but on VAX at least, the "showE terminal" of an OPA0 is misleading since OPA0: uses a special driver. E The speed displayed by SHOW TERM doesn't necessarily match the actual  hardware speed of OPA0:    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:02:18 -0500 , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>" Subject: Re: OPA0 on DS10L problem& Message-ID: <442C1D2A.264418B0@hp.com>  F    As others have said TTA0 has for a long time been tied to what was C labled as COM2 on many of the Alpha boxes.  The COM1 port could be  D either OPA0 or TTB0 depending how the system was booted.  If it was ( set to graphic then TTB0 otherwise TTA0.  F     That has been covered many times, and is the rule for most of the A Alpha systems for a long time.  Sorry, I do not remember when we  1 made the change.  There are as always exceptions.   ?     Please do a show device/full OPA0.  It is possible that the 
 reference E count for the device is not 0.  That will keep you from being able to  log ; in.  Also if possible do the following and post the output:       $ ana/system      sda> read sysdef     sda> show device opa0      sda> format UCB      Forrest    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:29:01 -0700 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <6LqdnQpB3L025rbZRVn-gg@bresnan.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > GreyCloud wrote: >  >> Dr. Dweeb wrote:  >>J >>> History has shown that attempting to market/sell *anything* against anD >>> M$ product is incompatible with a business relationship with M$. >>> J >>> There is nothing in M$ business practices since the monpoly conviction3 >>> that suggests that it is any more viable today.  >>> G >>> It's not about size of the goulies, but the desire to retain them !  >>>  >>H >> That is the biggest obstacle today in competition with M$.  The only H >> leverage is the reputation of OpenVMS security and the insecurity of G >> M$ windows.  Constant repitition of pointing this out to the public  B >> could sway the pendulum.  And that will take a hefty marketing  >> campaign budget.  >> > I > As long as HP has a rather large business of selling windoz PCs, there  G > is no way they will allow a small part of the company publicly trash  & > their products.  Ain't gonna happen. >   G I was thinking more along the lines of repeating the point that VMS is  C not hackable and is secure.  Sometimes the public has a very short  4 memory.  You see this tactic in TV ads all the time.  I If M$ can't put out Vista next year or possibly never, then HP will have  @ a dwindling product line.  What they do then is anybodies guess.     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:40:05 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <_6udnWcKDuQy4bbZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@libcom.com>    davidc@montagar.com wrote:G > I get it plenty.  The difference is that if HP sells home PC's loaded C > with OpenVMS rather than Windows - they won't sell.  Period.  Joe A > Sixpack can't use OpenVMS.  The local computer store, Best Buy, H > Walmart, Circuit City, Fry's, ... doesn't sell games, work processors,G > tax preparation software, video cards, printers, scanners, Winmodems, C > TV capture cards, and tons more that work with OpenVMS.  Once Joe F > Sixpack takes his OpenVMS PC home, what does he do with it?  You betG > it's secure - he can't use it.  The costs associated with porting and G > testing OpenVMS on the platform, the hardware engineers designing and B > building the platform, and marketing dollars putting it on storeC > shelves would be wasted - because you don't have the apps/add-ons @ > yourself, and you don't have 3rd-party buy-in to do it either. > F > Something that many folks don't get - The Operating System isn't theH > end product.  It's only a foundarion.  You want to sell OpenVMS?  SellH > it to those who can use it.  Today.  At the top of the food chain withH > large installations, to smaller installations.  You don't start at theI > bottom in a market with thin margins, fickle consumers, and a unit that 4 > provides no functional use to the target customer. > D > OpenVMS has leadership position in business critical applications.I > Clustering, scalability, security, and reliability are the keystones to B > its success.  Not PC games and instant messaging.  You market toB > business customers, first large, then smaller.  How much is yourE > downtime worth?  OpenVMS is your insurance policy.  You expand from I > your strengths, not jump in head first unprepared into a foolish market H > with a product with zero ability for your target customer to see added > value. > > > But I'm just a programmer...  What do I know about business. >   F The only thing I'll argue with you is the small business issue.  Yes, B the bucks are at the top, but by the time a business gets big, it E already has an IT solution in place, and replacing it is much harder  F then selling to a first time buyer.  I'd argue for the small business  customers to be targetted also.   C So, how do you do that?  You have VARs and ISVs and such out there  I pushing your product, to run their products.  You don't tell them to buy  H $1M a year or get lost.  DEC/Compaq/HP has run off those who would help  them at the low end.  G It appears that the low end itanics are being priced a bit better than  G past VMS systems.  It may be too late, since the people who would have  7 pushed such are mostly long gone, driven off by idiots.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 03:15:05 -0800+ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1143717305.906440.127890@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   
 >> clip <<  ; >> But now that the market has concentrated to Dell and HP,   F Actually, it is even more fragmented than you would imagine.  I do notD recall ever having seen a pie chart where the "other" slice was lessB than 50%.  While HP & Dell are big players and MS would do well toD please them, I do not believe that the disappearance of either HP orB Dell from the PC market tomorrow would have very much impact on M$G revenues.  The very nature of a capitalist economy would guarantee this + in anything other than the very short term.   E If HP or Dell started pushing Linux seriously, M$ has the power - and B would exercise it - to insure that the continuance of a Linux push) became a revenue negative for HP or Dell.   E >>Aso, VMS is totally insignificant in the grand scheme of things, so Q >> Microsoft woudln't really worry if HP advertised a bit of VMS on 8086 boxes. "   F While that would be a rational decision, it is historically clear thatB M$ executives not always take a rational position when it comes toA defending their turf - they are paranoid about it - and they have 1 thrown the toys out of the pram for similar acts.   F Look at what M$ did to IBM over the Lotus Suite packaging.  (If any ofE you have forgotten the details, it makes interesting reading and is a  matter of public record).   
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 2006 14:07:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS + Message-ID: <49271uFlglfvU2@individual.net>   3 In article <aLHqLN8$BWpN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:\ > In article <e0ft8i$f4r$02$1@news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes: >> GreyCloud schrieb:  >>> 0 >>> Simple.  OS X isn't as secure as OpenVMS is. >>  ! >> That's an unproven assumption.  >   >    You're out of date on that.   C Ummmm.....   Not really.  The same method used on OSX in the recent F attacks (getting someone to willingly type the administrator password)G would work equally well on VMS if VMS users were actually stupid enough 
 to do it!!   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:28:32 +0200 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS + Message-ID: <49288iFmo3ooU1@individual.net>    Michael Kraemer wrote: > Marc Schlensog schrieb:  >  >>C >> The first alpha-system Vobis was offering (a Jensen back in 92), E >> carried a pricetag of $5k, the second one (164SX, IIRC) a pricetag 9 >> of $3.5k and up. Not very half-decent, if you ask me.   >  > 4 > That's why I wrote "half-decent", not "decent" :-)5 > But a high-end PC at that time wasn't cheap either.  >   H To back that up, in 1997 I bought a reasonably high end PC with NT 4 on  it, and it cost me ~4K UKP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:07:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS , Message-ID: <442C1064.C66326BE@teksavvy.com>   "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:H > Actually, it is even more fragmented than you would imagine.  I do notF > recall ever having seen a pie chart where the "other" slice was lessD > than 50%.  While HP & Dell are big players and MS would do well toF > please them, I do not believe that the disappearance of either HP orD > Dell from the PC market tomorrow would have very much impact on M$ > revenues.     H Yes it would. While it is true that Dell and HP combined may barely haveH 25% of the wintel market, they are the big leaders in that market mostlyA due to marketing and image. When you see HP trying to justify its F poerformance in front of the Wall Street Casino Analysts, it is alwaysH done in reference to Dell. HP don't talk about Lenovo, Acer or any other wintel manufacturer.  E And because the market is left with only 2 vendors in true leadership G positions, Microsoft can no longer afford to play its games of threaths D because it truly relies on the marketing power of those 2 vendors to# push wintel crap out to the market.   G People don't buy Windows, they buy a wintel box that comes with Windows C in it. So the marketing of those boxes is what truly sells windows. A Hence, Microsoft has to be nice to those remaining 2 high profile 9 companies who do the most marketing to push wintel boxes.   C And this gives those 2 vendors added flexibility to flex some Linux G muscle. And because of that precedent, they could tdo the same with VMS 	 on 8086s.   G Even the relationship with Intel is eroding, since even Dell is warming ? up to the idea of AMD chips in its products. It used to be that D mentioning your wintel box had "Intel inside" was good marketing andF gave your product an image of quality and peformance. But now, this isG less the case because AMD has succeeded in getting an image of a better G performing machine. So vendors like HP and Dell are less tied to Intel. H If Intel wants to play its strong armd tactics and threaths, then eitherH vendor can say "fine, you want to raise your prices, we'll buy even more
 AMD CPUs".    G And consider this: the quicker HP can get rid of that pesky IA64 thing, D the quicker it can raise its volumes of 8086 machines and the better@ leverage it will have to negotiate prices between AMD and Intel.  H Right now, both HP and SGI are addicted/dependant on that IA64 thing andG the main goal is to keep the thing alive. Forget negotiating prices and D threathening to jump to a competitor because there is no competitor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:28:14 +0200 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS + Message-ID: <492ipgFmeilbU1@individual.net>    Dr. Dweeb wrote:
 >>>clip << >  > ; >>>But now that the market has concentrated to Dell and HP,  >  > H > Actually, it is even more fragmented than you would imagine.  I do notF > recall ever having seen a pie chart where the "other" slice was lessD > than 50%.  While HP & Dell are big players and MS would do well toF > please them, I do not believe that the disappearance of either HP orD > Dell from the PC market tomorrow would have very much impact on M$I > revenues.  The very nature of a capitalist economy would guarantee this - > in anything other than the very short term.  >   F To demonstrate that, I had a quick look at the computer shelves in my 9 local department store on the way to the food department.   I Tower systems split between Acer and HP. Acer, Sony and Toshiba for flat  F screens. Sony and Acer for laptops. Lots of HP printers; other brands  were there too.   G This store would not be my first port of call if were considering a PC  I purchase, but unlike some places the staff are intelligent and give good  B service, so I can imagine they have customers who appreciate that.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 02:52:02 -0800+ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> = Subject: Re: SAP small business solutions now run on OpenVMS! C Message-ID: <1143715922.403438.316750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   8 I would have thought the initial topic title sufficient.  E IIRC "SAP Small Business Solutions" is a product, as indeed is "SAP", , the product by the company of the same name.   Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 09:41:12 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> - Subject: SuperDLT Tabletop Drives going cheap 8 Message-ID: <33SWf.27508$67.3283@bignews6.bellsouth.net>  ? We have a quantity of SuperDLT (110/220GB) In perfect condition   E backup was done to and from drives a multitude of times to test these   9 We are selling them for only $949 each as tabletop drives   ( Add another $90 for cable and terminator    7 Work beautifully with OpenVMS 7.2-1 7.3 7.3-1 and 7.3-2 ) We have not yet tested them with VMS 8.2>            --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:26:12 -0500 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer9 Message-ID: <MtUWf.29529$67.23065@bignews6.bellsouth.net>     Apologies to COMP.OS.LINUX.ALPHA  K I do apologise for posting the "ad" about Roland Hughes' new book (which we H only charge a CC processing fee for offering) on the C.O.L.A. newsgroup.  I In future I will not post anything there, even if the deal IS too good to  refuse.   E If you need to see good Alpha deals, try COMP.OS.VMS and COMP.SYS.DEC      Goo'bye C.O.L.A !        --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   8 "Christopher Browne" <cbbrowne@acm.org> wrote in message) news:87r74lc3dy.fsf@wolfe.cbbrowne.com... K > Oops! "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> was seen  spray-painting on a wall:  > > Christopher Browne wrote:  > >>K > >> Clinging to sanity, "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> mumbled into her  beard:! > >> > davidc@montagar.com wrote: J > >> >> >From the description, this looks like an excellent book for a newF > >> >> OpenVMS Programmer.  Thanks for the effort in putting this bok	 together.  > >> >I > >> > It does look interesting. As a hobbyist I wish I could justify the  $90 B > >> > - but coincidentally my day job is currently building MySQLK > >> > applications on other operating systems. It's fascinating that MySQL L > >> > has made it to VMS and is considered a useful component there (too) -/ > >> > whether one approves of MySQL or not ;-)  > >>E > >> I have a hard time fathoming how MySQL would be of interest on a G > >> platform that has a full-fledged ISAM system, RMS, *built into the F > >> operating system*, but I suppose there are all types out there... > > L > > Indexing and record-level retrieval is only part of the story. RDBMSs doE > > much more than RMS, including providing an API that tools such as I > > Datatrieve never had. All-in-1 came close, but is a terrible resource  > > hog. > > = > > RMS lacks a data dictionary and a query language as well.  > > 0 > > (This from an old AIS, RSTS/E and VMS hand.) > B > The thing is, MySQL is little more than a thin layering of a notE > terribly consistent SQL "processor" on top of something rather less  > mature than RMS... > --  D > wm(X,Y):-write(X),write('@'),write(Y). wm('cbbrowne','ntlug.org').1 > http://linuxdatabases.info/info/postgresql.html H > Why  are  there  flotation   devices  under  plane  seats  instead  of
 > parachutes?    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 12:32:53 -06004 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)P Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer3 Message-ID: <UhRr5DUeLboX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <OqJUf.200$C85.12@dukeread10>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > Christopher Browne wrote: C >> I have a hard time fathoming how MySQL would be of interest on a E >> platform that has a full-fledged ISAM system, RMS, *built into the D >> operating system*, but I suppose there are all types out there... >  > ???? > ; > Query language, fast remote access, security system etc..  > : > There are reasons RDB and Oracle (classic) has been used > on VMS for many years. > 4 > Now there are an open source database alternative. >  > Arne >   / I second what Arne said, with slight additions.   = I wrote a number of session tracking, customer tracking, etc, > etc, things using RMS index files for an Apache server running VMS, and they worked fine,   BUT...  A When I wanted to add some features and nifties that I saw on some A other sites, the only freeware I could find on the net to do this @ was using some variant of php and mySQL.  Sure, I could write my: own and reinvent the wheel, but I'd rather be lazy and use someone elses wheel.  > I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords, php and mySQL (on3 VMS of course)!  Three cheers for the VAMP project!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:55:51 +0300 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi>  Subject: TPU-E-INVINTERFACE 7 Message-ID: <IWNWf.630$N46.127@reader1.news.jippii.net>   I We have on DS15 machine, that can't handle TPU editor when using graphics & monitor. Other two are fine. Symptoms: HAAHKA$ edit/tpu a.a  + %TPU-E-INVINTERFACE, unrecognized interface   8 When connecting from PC using Reflection TPU works fine.  $ OpenVMS 7.3-2, Motif 1.3-1.  Ideas ?   -Kari-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:42:32 +0300 - From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi>  Subject: Re: TPU-E-INVINTERFACE 7 Message-ID: <uCOWf.653$Ue6.254@reader1.news.jippii.net>   I My own mistake, this satellite node was not booted after patching. Reboot  solved the problem.    -Kari-  ; "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> kirjoitti viestiss 1 news:IWNWf.630$N46.127@reader1.news.jippii.net... K > We have on DS15 machine, that can't handle TPU editor when using graphics ( > monitor. Other two are fine. Symptoms: > HAAHKA$ edit/tpu a.a > - > %TPU-E-INVINTERFACE, unrecognized interface  > : > When connecting from PC using Reflection TPU works fine. > & > OpenVMS 7.3-2, Motif 1.3-1.  Ideas ? >  > -Kari- >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2006 09:52:55 -0800- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> ) Subject: Re: VMS Admin Position Available B Message-ID: <1143741175.618112.32050@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:; > how about why now when I go into a thread I always end up ; > at the top at message one when before they changed things : > I would end up at the most recent message posted?  I can > find no setting for this ...  A They just put message numbers back after I and a few other people C pointed out that with Firefox, in "frame view", the little "current G view" pointer doesn't move. I don't know about other browsers, but this B looks like another "designed for IE" situation. If something isn'tG working for you, use the "contact us" info and tell them about it. They - seem to care about making things work better.   E As far as where you end up when you open a thread, I don't find it to A be consistent. However, now that "how to quote messages" has been D explained to you, there is no reason for you to post the way you do.D Some people don't see threads so your postings have no context. Just trying to help.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.177 ************************                                        ;=賶j=Y9ۥ;k,a0OHll:H(XY$bh_/Μsh1у$Wٝ [0%,4 b78Q*,=CӲFJeaxSB,l9KT&}~*,`@+.v]2WI(H3Fh)_nkCրC8 --rGm`p`:Fã16
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