1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 240       Contents:& ANN: FTP_NEW added to freeware archive Re: Capturing console activity Re: Capturing console activity8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible?> Re: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible?> Re: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible? OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut, Re: UC07 with BA350/RZ28 disk spinup problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:47:16 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> / Subject: ANN: FTP_NEW added to freeware archive ( Message-ID: <445584C4.30604@goatley.com>  @ The following package has been added to my VMS freeware archive:   ftp_new.zip 9      Description: Check an ftp directory or tree for new, +                   changed, or removed files       Version:     30-APR-2006 :      Author:      Graham Burley <burley@encompasserve.org>      Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA64       Size:        26 blocks       Language:    DCL    Thanks, Graham!    http://www.process.com/openvms/   7 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ftp_new.zip < http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/ftp_new.zip  3 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ftp_new.zip 8 http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/ftp_new.zip   And on the other mirrors soon.   --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:17:24 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>' Subject: Re: Capturing console activity 6 Message-ID: <44554584.7C9D50A1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > > Well, not quite everything. I recently discovered that network loginH > > failures one of my machines was not being recorded in the OPCOM log,K > > though they did appear on OPA0: Still haven't quite untangled that one.  >  > SHOW LOG OPC*   - That was the first place I looked. No schmae.   , > These are set/documented in SYLOGICALS.COM > J > And yes, you are right that not all of the operator console is logged byF > opcom. The nastiest messages (system crash, system boot etc) are not > logged in OPCOM.  H Then again, when writing a crash dump, all regular kernel activities are@ abandoned, I should think. So, no - OPCOM is dead at that point.  E Maybe what is needed is SYSDUMP.TXT containing all the text that also @ appears on the console, with a "best effort" attempt only before0 abandoning and returning to the usual code path.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:44:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Capturing console activity , Message-ID: <44554BB2.9D48C348@teksavvy.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > Maybe what is needed is SYSDUMP.TXT containing all the text that also B > appears on the console, with a "best effort" attempt only before2 > abandoning and returning to the usual code path.    E Perhaps an enhancement to the OPA0: driver so that it can log to file H all output and input. And this would be great for autiding purposes too.  D Amd since EFI based systems have access to a file system even at theB console level, perhaps they could have firmware that would log all/ console activity to a file in an EFI partition.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:07:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix , Message-ID: <44551919.A188D8F9@teksavvy.com>   BobH wrote: I > Mac user sees a single file, but the file system actually has two parts , > - a "data fork" and a "resource fork".  Th  D > resource fork can hold all sort of other information, including anH > indication of what kind of file it is so the system can decide what to > do when the file is invoked.    J Actually, each file has 2 4 byte fields. The file type and a file creator.  G so you could have a text file created by MACwrite. so when you click on H it, it would invoke macwrite. And this information isn't actually in the( resource fork, it is in the file header.  F Applications, do store resources that indicate to the system what file types they like to handle.   > Just look at what the Mac C > uses the resource fork for to see lots of valuable possibilities.   D Yes. However, in an era of file exchanges across platforms, this has@ caused problems too. So for many corss platfor applications, the< resource fork is not used much because it is not part of theG applicatioN,s file format and they tend to store everything in the data 
 fork instead.   F Where the resource fork is GREAT is with applications. Compare this toF Motif where upon startup, Motif looks into a gazillion directories forB "resources" and then the MRM will load the UIL/UID files with moreB resources. On the mac, you store all the GUI resources in with theF application and it is MUCH faster. And the resources are organised andH RESEDIT allows you to edit specific resources, add new ones, delete them3 without having to recompile/relink the application.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:17:16 -0400  From: BobH <bobh@x.y> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix ( Message-ID: <0Ab5g.950$0y2.276@fe06.lga>   JF Mezei wrote: 
 > BobH wrote:  > I >>Mac user sees a single file, but the file system actually has two parts , >>- a "data fork" and a "resource fork".  Th >  > D >>resource fork can hold all sort of other information, including anH >>indication of what kind of file it is so the system can decide what to >>do when the file is invoked.   >  > L > Actually, each file has 2 4 byte fields. The file type and a file creator. > I > so you could have a text file created by MACwrite. so when you click on J > it, it would invoke macwrite. And this information isn't actually in the* > resource fork, it is in the file header. > H > Applications, do store resources that indicate to the system what file > types they like to handle.  - Yes, the details are starting to come back...    >>Just look at what the Mac C >>uses the resource fork for to see lots of valuable possibilities.  >  > F > Yes. However, in an era of file exchanges across platforms, this hasB > caused problems too. So for many corss platfor applications, the> > resource fork is not used much because it is not part of theI > applicatioN,s file format and they tend to store everything in the data  > fork instead.  > H > Where the resource fork is GREAT is with applications. Compare this toH > Motif where upon startup, Motif looks into a gazillion directories forD > "resources" and then the MRM will load the UIL/UID files with moreD > resources. On the mac, you store all the GUI resources in with theH > application and it is MUCH faster. And the resources are organised andJ > RESEDIT allows you to edit specific resources, add new ones, delete them5 > without having to recompile/relink the application.    Yup.  F It does seem reasonable to think a lot has been learned since the Mac I scheme was designed, and something better could be built today using the   good things in it.  I Again, I only know a tiny bit about OS X, but apparently there are a lot  @ of good things in there.  I was very interested recently when I I "installed" a program I pulled down by clicking a link on the web.  As I  G recall the file arrived and opened as essentially a virtual disk.  The  I instructions told me to drag the program icon to my applications folder.  F   That was it.  No installer.  No DLLs and other stuff going here and F there and maybe causing problems, no reboot.  I don't know if that is C entirely typical of the OS X experience, but it sure did come as a  F contrast to my normal experience with the MS Windows family, even XP. H My guess is uninstall would be about the same - drag to the trash.  And I maybe copying to another machine by just dragging an icon.  I infer that  G behind all that the OS has gained levels of intelligence to manage the  G bits and pieces and keep them bundled up for me instead of having them   go all over the place.  B I don't suppose VMS is in a position to assimilate that kind of a I transformation, but it is nice to dream (even though VMS has always been  E much better than a lot of the alternatives, and it is certainly in a  H different time zone from the MS family of OSs so it does not need it as 6 much as some of the others being talked about here...)  
 Bob Hassinger    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2006 18:36:20 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>C Subject: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible? B Message-ID: <1146447380.576056.23100@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  G I think the reason Process doesn't mention methods in its documentation F of getting its Precisemail Antispam to work on the same node as the HPC TCPIP SMTP service is that it isn't possible to get that service to A cooperate.  I've tried various methods of getting it to run on an B alternate port, making it only listen to requests at a specific IP> address (on a secondary ethernet interface), etc. to no avail.  ? Best I could do, and it would not survive a restart of the SMTP B service, or a reboot, was to have it listening on port 2525 of theG primary interface and IP address, and on port 25 _and_ port 2525 of the G second interface/IP address, and PMAS complaining that it could not get C a connection to port 25 (hopefully at the primary IP address, but I E couldn't get that config to work the same way after a reboot, so gave  up on finding out).   E I don't have a second box available right now to let TCPIP SMTP be on C its own.  I can't run the big powerhungry old one that my shiny new D DS10L replaced (circuit breakers pop with both online). I also won'tF have time to get PMDF up (ain't the hobbyist program great? Every timeD I get new toys to play with at home, work seems to sense it and getsE very intrusive on my time) so it looks like for now PMAS will have to 7 wait until I do have time to plow through that package.   E The antispam is not that important at home right now, getting PMDF up G and running was the priority; it just seemed like PMAS would be an easy  starter.    G Right now, after several attempts, plus manually deleting and restoring F the SMTP service definitions, the DS10L is happily responding to emailC connections on both IP addresses, and at port 25 and port 2525 (the F alternate address I tried to configure) on each address.  None of thatG is reflected in the configuration or in the online service information, G nor is port 2525 showing up in the TCPIP$SERVICE.DAT file, so I'm going , to restore my pre-test backup to fix things.  G Is this just an unworkable combination?  Perhaps the HP images have the G port hardcoded in them, despite the appearance of means to change it in C the command utilities... along with ignoring a specified service IP  address.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:29:12 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> G Subject: Re: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible? * Message-ID: <44558088.9080506@goatley.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:I > I think the reason Process doesn't mention methods in its documentation H > of getting its Precisemail Antispam to work on the same node as the HPE > TCPIP SMTP service is that it isn't possible to get that service to C > cooperate.  I've tried various methods of getting it to run on an D > alternate port, making it only listen to requests at a specific IP@ > address (on a secondary ethernet interface), etc. to no avail. > < According to an "Ask the Wizard" post, you should be able to= "fairly easily change the port number for SMTP in the service H database, or add a second service listening on a different port number."  C I've not actually tried this with TCP/IP Services in many years, so ' I'm not exactly sure how you change it.   ; Of course, I feel obligated to point out that you should be > running MultiNet or TCPware instead of TCP/IP Services.... ;-)   --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 00:27:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: HP TCPIP SMTP setup for Process PMAS, is it even possible? , Message-ID: <44558E11.E5355872@teksavvy.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:I > Is this just an unworkable combination?  Perhaps the HP images have the I > port hardcoded in them, despite the appearance of means to change it in E > the command utilities... along with ignoring a specified service IP   E The TCPIP Receiver is an image which is invoked by the TCPIP Services F kernel upon reception of a call to the port defined in the service. ItC isn't something that runs all the time , listening to a port. It is  invoked only on-demand.   B If you define the setvice to listen to port 2025, you can test it:   TELNET host/port=2025   G once connection is established, you should be getting a 200 type header % welcoming you to the VMS smtp server.   3 You can type "QUIT" to then exit from the receiver.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2006 20:34:37 -0700 From: singhal.rishi@gmail.com ! Subject: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut C Message-ID: <1146454477.016573.123680@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi All,   D We a few bunch of people are trying to generate awareness on OpenVMSF operating system. So if you are interested and a fan of OpenVMS pleaseA join us in orkut community which is called the "OpenVMS fan club"    Thanks,  Rishi   / "Together we can and we will make a difference"    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0700 From: singhal.rishi@gmail.com ! Subject: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut C Message-ID: <1146454430.239313.162070@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    Hi All,   D We a few bunch of people are trying to generate awareness on OpenVMSF operating system. So if you are interested and a fan of OpenVMS pleaseA join us in orkut community which is called the "OpenVMS fan club"    Thanks,  Rishi    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:00:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: UC07 with BA350/RZ28 disk spinup problem , Message-ID: <44551763.F9C63A11@teksavvy.com>   vaxorcist wrote:@ > Just to be sure I tried the manual disk spin up by setting theF > appropriate jumper on the RZ28 - the disk is still being reported as > "offline" under VMS!!!  G Does your SCSI controller have some console program for configuration ? H The DILOG SQ739  has such a program you access with some >>> commands to? deposit the right values in the right memory locations and then $ branching to a specific instruction.  H Perhaps this board has the ability to send init commands to each defined drive ?   G Doesn't the RZd rive itself have some jumper on it to force the spin up  ?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.240 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  