1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 03 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 245       Contents: Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT 2 Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kit CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks  Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks  Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks  Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks 8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like UnixA Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constants  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's - Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL . Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw!) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! $ Re: My employer needs VMS programmer( Re: Need help with stalled printer queue" OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d)& Re: OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d)1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing  Re: TIMEPROMPTWAIT problem Re: TIMEPROMPTWAIT problem* Re: Web front-end for student registration  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:36:01 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT$ Message-ID: <e39mh1$u89$1@online.de>  @ In article <44581242.B2471E21@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.9 Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:    L > > OK, it seems to work but, when it is off the system disk, I'm back to myB > > old problem of a MERGE being initiated when a node shuts down. > > G > > Should it be enough to put $ SET ACCOUNTING/DISABLE near the end of  > > SYS$MANAGER:SYSHUTDWN.COM? > J > As I read the HELP for SET ACCOUNTING, you'll need to mate SET ACCO/DISAH > with an appropriate /ENABLE command in SYSTARTUP_V*.COM specifying the > appropriate keywords.   E You mean the action of SET ACCOUNTING/{EN|DIS}ABLE survives a reboot?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:08:17 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> ; Subject: Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kit 5 Message-ID: <5q_5g.5214$Gg.2808@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   + "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message < news:1146644895.385540.59000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...I > Can't you install  just the new data collector kit and use it with AMDS  > ?    As I said previously:   I > > The AM DC kit overwrites the AVAIL command so AMDS won't work.  I was  hoping3 > we'd get a corrected AMDS kit to simplify things.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:27:59 +0100% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> " Subject: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks0 Message-ID: <125hfg9dptj78e3@corp.supernews.com>  C Installing CIFS on Alpha with TCPware fails completely, I'm afraid. M I'm assuming then that the kit *only* works at present with TCP/IP Services.   Can anyone confirm? L Are there plans to support TCPware and/or MultiNet somewhere on the roadmap?  	 Regards.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:04:21 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> & Subject: Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacksA Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060503090353.0268bbd0@raptor.psccos.com>   L We've provided the necessary files to HP for incorporation (hopefully) into 9 a future kit.  They apparently aren't in the latest kits.   % At 08:27 AM 5/3/2006, issinoho wrote: D >Installing CIFS on Alpha with TCPware fails completely, I'm afraid.M >I'm assuming then that the kit *only* works at present with TCP/IP Services.  >Can anyone confirm?M >Are there plans to support TCPware and/or MultiNet somewhere on the roadmap?  > 	 >Regards.    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 08:10:31 -0700 % From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> & Subject: Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacksC Message-ID: <1146669031.269211.277450@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thanks, Dan.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:31:58 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> & Subject: Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks. Message-ID: <O146g.77$cA6.12@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: I > We've provided the necessary files to HP for incorporation (hopefully)  @ > into a future kit.  They apparently aren't in the latest kits.   Dan,  E Until HP can get that information integrated in, could you put those  A command files somewhere for download on the process.com web site?   B I suspect that in a future CIFS release, the startup and shutdown A command files for CIFS will be changed considerably, and will be  > structured so that the commands that are specific to a TCP/IP 1 implementation will be in separate command files.    -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec  Personal Opinion Only  =    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 00:19:16 -0700 1 From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" <Bart.Zorn@gmail.com> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix C Message-ID: <1146640756.336230.221820@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   C I was referring to the example that Bob Koehler gave. Apparently my 0 respons wound up in the wrong place in the tree.  G This is cut and paste from Bob's message as I see it on Google (I don't ! know how to find the message id): " ----------------------------------    Slip slidin' away:    $ cat > a.a  #include <stdio.h> main ()  {     printf("Hello world\n");    }    $ cc a.a4 a.a: file not recognized: File format not recognized# collect2: ld returned 1 exit status  ----------------------------  F Both in front of the 'cat' and the 'cc' there is a $ prompt. I now see0 that that does not mean that we are talking VMS!   Regards,   Bart   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 01:58:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> J Subject: Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constants, Message-ID: <44584641.B736E426@teksavvy.com>   vmssysmgr@hotmail.com wrote: > D > I am working on some C code and have run into a problem. This codeI > involves talking to external devices. I am trying to store the protocol G > in character constants. The problem I am having is that  when I put a D > character constant into a header file, the linker gives me tons of > muldef warnings.  M Create one C module that contains the definitions with the value assignments.   ! const char ckGetDeviceStatus[3] =    { DEVICE_COMM_HEADER,      DEVICE_ADDRESS,      DEVICE_RQ_STATUS };   C This needs to be outside of a function context so that the compiler $ creates those as external variables.    $ compile it, it generates a .OBJ file    > And in your include file for your real programs, you can then:  ! extern char ckGetDeviceStatus[] ;   F This way, when you compile programs that include that .h, the compilerE knows that this is a reference to a variable allocated in a different ? module and will just ask the linker to resolve it at link time.     ? To make it more obvious, you can use a VMS specific mechanism:  & 		globaldef char chocolate[3] = xxx ; # 	 and globalref char chocolate[]  ;   F "def" defines/allocates the storage. "ref" tells the compiler that you6 wnat to reference avariable defined in another module.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2006 23:28:59 -0700 # From: "Al" <hobbit_cis@yahoo.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Free 4100'sC Message-ID: <1146637739.095028.141840@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Tom Linden wrote: K > On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing ) > <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  > D > > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.< > > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >> Tom Linden wrote: > >>> J > >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 list > >>> I > >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some  > >>> unused
 > >>> spares.  > >>> G > >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19"  > >>> cabinet. > >>> G > >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area.  > >>>  > >>> Each cabinet contains: > >>> K > >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz CPU,  > >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35. < > >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G)/ > >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2)  > >>> Power distribution etc.  > >>> 3 > >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these.  > >>> B > >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here. > >>	 > >> Tom,  > >>J > >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storageH > >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate theF > >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists > >> willing to take on a 4100.  > >>> > >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them. > >>K > >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some companies' E > >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding,  > >> approvals, ...  > > < > > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker > > [ibarker@aastra.com]L > > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the news > > and ( > > has nothing to do with the machines. > > J > > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far for > > me.) > >  > > -- Alan  > > H > David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that > which " > is exciting and forget the rest.    F Oh boy, I know 4100s from having worked on them.... Having lost my VAXB 3100 and recently getting the bug to program in DCL again, I am soD tempted to pick up a cabinet or two.... But I need some help, first:B does anyone have an approximate size / weight for one of these 19"? racks replete with disks, etc.? I would need to get a quote for > shipping.... To Australia (THAT'S how seriously I am tempted!)  9 Any assistance gratefully recieved, folks. Happy VMS-ing!    Al.   & (These PC things'll never catch on...)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:36:35 -0400. From: "Carl Friedberg" <frida.fried@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Free 4100'sI Message-ID: <890539d90605030736s6de17b73w56c7d60a92b1a3ef@mail.gmail.com>    Al,   C An AlphaServer 800, while a bit slower (and uni-processor) would be C a more cost-effective choice. Watch e-bay, you'll see them, and the F cost will be less than your shipping costs to AU (including shipping).  E And, you don't need any more power or HVAC  than a standard PC tower. D Those 4100's will replace your home furnace, which is alright if you are near the arctic zones.   Best (just my 2cents)    Carl  @ On 2 May 2006 23:28:59 -0700, Al <hobbit_cis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >  > Tom Linden wrote: L > > On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computi= ng+ > > <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  > > F > > > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.> > > > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > >> Tom Linden wrote: > > >>> L > > >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 lis= t  > > >>> K > > >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some  > > >>> unused > > >>> spares.  > > >>> I > > >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19"  > > >>> cabinet. > > >>> I > > >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area.  > > >>>  > > >>> Each cabinet contains: > > >>> L > > >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz CP= U, > > >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35. > > > >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G)1 > > >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2)  > > >>> Power distribution etc.  > > >>> 5 > > >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these.  > > >>> D > > >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here. > > >> > > >> Tom,  > > >>L > > >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storag= e J > > >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate theH > > >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists! > > >> willing to take on a 4100.  > > >>@ > > >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them. > > >>L > > >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some companie= s'G > > >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding,  > > >> approvals, ...  > > > > > > > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker > > > [ibarker@aastra.com]L > > > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the n= ews 	 > > > and * > > > has nothing to do with the machines. > > > L > > > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far fo= r 
 > > > me.) > > > 
 > > > -- Alan  > > > J > > David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that	 > > which $ > > is exciting and forget the rest. >  > H > Oh boy, I know 4100s from having worked on them.... Having lost my VAXD > 3100 and recently getting the bug to program in DCL again, I am soF > tempted to pick up a cabinet or two.... But I need some help, first:D > does anyone have an approximate size / weight for one of these 19"A > racks replete with disks, etc.? I would need to get a quote for @ > shipping.... To Australia (THAT'S how seriously I am tempted!) > ; > Any assistance gratefully recieved, folks. Happy VMS-ing!  >  > Al.  > ( > (These PC things'll never catch on...) >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 07:21:56 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk6 Subject: Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TLC Message-ID: <1146666116.851803.135210@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   E More important, perhaps, is do the 90TLs remote boot via MOP?  If so, C you'll need to get a boot server on the other network segment(s) or G else the devices won't be able to reboot should they get powercycled or  go down.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 10:16:53 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com 7 Subject: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! B Message-ID: <1146676613.801733.54980@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  * no mention of OpenVMS ... I wonder why? :)  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31417    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 14:05:07 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <2944e$44589c74$50db5015$5723@news.hispeed.ch>   GreyCloud wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >  >>I >> On windows it appears that applications have by default the equivalent L >> of SETPRV,BYPASS,CMKRNL. What privileges do standard apps have on MacOS ? >  > ' > No different than any other UNIX o/s. E > If OS X gets hit then it is likely that others may get hit as well. H > But I think that most of these so called viruses, which they are not, H > usually ask for the system password.  I've had one come up out of the 7 > blue when going to one web site and I didn't give it.   E I've had one of these too, and it was equally obvious to me to avoid  
 giving it.  > A few weeks ago I tried one of the "Proof of Concept" sets of G instructions to demonstrate a potential hole in OS X. That _did_ cause  , me to tighten up my Safari browser settings.   > It should be  G > obvious to everyone here that does or did manage VMS systems what is   > going on here.   Yup.  8 > VMS has always had a rather large set of priviledges, # > but doesn't PHP get around these?  > F Someone here posted about encountering a PHP flaw on his VMS system a , few months ago and IIRC it did cause damage.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:13:19 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!- Message-ID: <P%16g.3$jx1.352@news.uswest.net>      I The primary difference is in buffer handling.  The MACH kernal is base on K Unix, which doesn't do any sort of buffer length validations.  All the core L VMS buffer handling services do validate buffer length and gracefully handleG (ie, they either return failure or allocate a new/extended buffer) when F there would be a buffer overrun.  Buffer overruns are still the single> biggest technical cause of security holes, closely followed byH incomplete/inconsistant parameter validation by system services.  As forD social engineering - most people are too trusting for good security.   Mike.     8 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message7 news:445852b9$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...  > Michael D. Ober wrote:D > > If the MacIntosh becomes more common, it's security by obscurity security > > model will fail. > D > The same thing could be said about VMS.  OS X is based on the MACHG > kernel, where most of the processing takes place in processes that do H > not have access to more than they need.  VMS is not superior by designI > to OS X when it comes to security.  VMS might be better coded and might J > have better coding standards, but it is naive to think that there are no? > security bugs hidden in the millions of lines of code of VMS.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 09:30:54 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!3 Message-ID: <hVUwvP2R4m$b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <445852b9$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > Michael D. Ober wrote:L >> If the MacIntosh becomes more common, it's security by obscurity security >> model will fail.  > E > The same thing could be said about VMS.  OS X is based on the MACH  H > kernel, where most of the processing takes place in processes that do I > not have access to more than they need.  VMS is not superior by design  J > to OS X when it comes to security.  VMS might be better coded and might K > have better coding standards, but it is naive to think that there are no  ? > security bugs hidden in the millions of lines of code of VMS.   C   VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_ H   superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bugD   in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 09:35:24 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!3 Message-ID: <ifXt6fLaQZZp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <P%16g.3$jx1.352@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes: >   K > The primary difference is in buffer handling.  The MACH kernal is base on M > Unix, which doesn't do any sort of buffer length validations.  All the core N > VMS buffer handling services do validate buffer length and gracefully handleI > (ie, they either return failure or allocate a new/extended buffer) when H > there would be a buffer overrun.  Buffer overruns are still the single@ > biggest technical cause of security holes, closely followed byJ > incomplete/inconsistant parameter validation by system services.  As forF > social engineering - most people are too trusting for good security.  C    Buffer overrun prevention is a big point, but it's not the whole 	    story.   F    There are essential difficulties in the suid/sgid model embedded inA    the filesystem which UNIX uses when privileged actions must be F    granted to non-privileged users.  These don't make it impossible to:    get it right, but they do make it easy to get it wrong.  H    Although VMS can now emulate the suid/sgid model in some ways throughG    protected subsystems, the techniques for granting privileged actions G    which have been in VMS since day one have proven to be easier to get 	    right.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:01:25 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <8aqdnYRS96J7fMXZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>   Richard wrote:1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 4 > GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code8 > <24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly: >  > L >>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years. >  > G > I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years % > and have never been hit by a virus.   G That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up  1 ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line. I And my virus definition file couldn't get updated fast enough to prevent  F a virus from hitting me.  The usual user of windows on broadband ISPs I usually bog down after a couple of months of use due to a lot of spyware  I that automatically gets loaded onto a PC.  Why?  Because you never get a  I dialog box asking for a root password to give that spyware permission to  D install their software... it just happens all too easily on Windows.  H One fellow in L.A. just tosses out his Dell every three months and gets J a new one due to malware infections and doesn't have time to reinstall XP.     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:02:12 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <8aqdnYdS96KLf8XZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Richard wrote: > 2 >> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>5 >> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code 9 >> <24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  >>H >>> I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two 
 >>> years. >> >>H >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >> and have never been hit by a virus. >  > A > How do you know if you don't have anything to identify malware?  > K > I guess there is some looseness in the term 'hit by a virus'.  Getting a  K > virus or such in a mail message is one thing.  Running the damn thing so   > it is active is another. >   D Probably doesn't even know that his machine is likely a member of a  spam-bot ring.     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:26:20 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!2 Message-ID: <e3ap3s$gqs$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  3 news:hM2dnRd-xfQQtsXZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@libcom.com...   H >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >> and have never been hit by a virus. > A > How do you know if you don't have anything to identify malware?  > Y > I guess there is some looseness in the term 'hit by a virus'.  Getting a virus or such  U > in a mail message is one thing.  Running the damn thing so it is active is another.   H Indeed. I do run antivirus software but I can't recall a single occasionD where I would have had an active virus on my system had I not had itG installed. In my book placing too much faith in an AV system to protect 9 you from yourself is a worse offence than not having one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:15:35 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> - Subject: Re: My employer needs VMS programmer : Message-ID: <434e7$445890d8$50db5015$3867@news.hispeed.ch>   Dave Froble wrote: > David J. Dachtera wrote: > $ >> "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: >> >>> David J. Dachtera wrote: >>> G >>>> "L.A.'s fine but it ain't home", from a song sung by Neil Diamond.  >>> G >>> New York's home, but it ain't mine no more.  "I Am, I Said." - Neil  >>> Diamond  >> >>- >> Dunno who wrote it, but yeah - he sang it.  >> > K > Neil is as much or more a songwriter as a singer, actor, and such.  Most  I > likely he wrote the piece.  I don't know of anything he's done that he   > hasn't written.  >   - He did write it, and it was autobiographical.    See the Artist Profile at   = http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/documentaries/index.shtml#diamond   H (also the third part of a documentary about him is there, in RealPlayer  format, if you are interested)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 08:39:39 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk1 Subject: Re: Need help with stalled printer queue B Message-ID: <1146670779.449714.16650@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  F Maybe check the IP address that the printserver thinks it has and makeF sure that the printserver actually does still have that address all toG itself - i.e. someone hasn't configured another device with the same IP  address?F Would still respond to a ping request but wouldn't necessarily do what
 you expect...    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 08:36:01 -0700 % From: "Eddie" <eddie.camaroto@va.gov> + Subject: OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d) B Message-ID: <1146670561.769395.42560@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D Hello,  When I look at a printer via the station I can see a certainG queue has x jobs in it.  I clear out 1/2 the jobs in that queue and the G station shows me they are all cleared out but if I do a show queue from E VMS they are still there.  The station entry for this queue no longer D shows any jobs but now shows me in one of the tabs how many jobs are@ there.  This happens to any type of queue I try to eliminate the entries.  & Has anyone run into this odd behavior?   Thank you,     Eddie Camaroto   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 12:21:31 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d) 3 Message-ID: <awaHfzB1hfBA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1146670561.769395.42560@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Eddie" <eddie.camaroto@va.gov> writes:F > Hello,  When I look at a printer via the station I can see a certainI > queue has x jobs in it.  I clear out 1/2 the jobs in that queue and the I > station shows me they are all cleared out but if I do a show queue from G > VMS they are still there.  The station entry for this queue no longer F > shows any jobs but now shows me in one of the tabs how many jobs areB > there.  This happens to any type of queue I try to eliminate the
 > entries. > ( > Has anyone run into this odd behavior?  E    In real life the idea of using a Windows based tool to gain access @    to privileged functions on a VMS system never seemed potable.  G    In this case I'd trust what VMS says over what that silly tool says.   E    OBTW, you might want to mention the name of the tool in your first .    paragraph, I almost missed it in the title.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:05:04 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> : Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing6 Message-ID: <44584825$0$24271$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>  1 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote on 2-5-2006 21:41... - > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx % > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact ) > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched % > $ set message /noiden /nofac /nosev % > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact  > No strings matched- > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   C and if you're really into finding the error string, looking for "o  F strings matched" (without the first letter) will even be correct when : the message text is changed to "Zero strings matched". :-;   /Wilm    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:36:59 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply): Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing$ Message-ID: <e39mir$u89$2@online.de>  
 In articleF <OFCC4F53D0.464F697A-ON85257162.006BC420-85257162.006C323E@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes:    - > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx % > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact ) > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched % > $ set message /noiden /nofac /nosev % > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact  > No strings matched- > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  > + > In this example the word "no" in the case - > where all parts of set message are enabled, ' > is lower case, but when only /TEXT is & > enabled, the "N" in "No" is upcased. > , > Is this a conceit of F$FAO for readability! > at the expense of easy parsing?   G It shows that the programmers were actually thinking when implementing   this facility!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:15:39 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com: Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasingQ Message-ID: <OFFADDAA8F.31F081CE-ON85257163.004DC828-85257163.004E5650@metso.com>   A John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote on 05/02/2006 03:53:32 PM:    > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: / > > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ' > > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact + > > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched ' > > $ set message /noiden /nofac /nosev ' > > $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact  > > No strings matched/ > > $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  > > - > > In this example the word "no" in the case / > > where all parts of set message are enabled, ) > > is lower case, but when only /TEXT is ( > > enabled, the "N" in "No" is upcased. > > . > > Is this a conceit of F$FAO for readability# > > at the expense of easy parsing?  > >  > @ > It is SYS$PUTMSG [fixed] that upcases the leading character ifB > the ident, facility, and severity are turned off.  Been that way > since day 1.   Thanks for that information.   > = > Why are you parsing the output instead of checking $STATUS?  >   = Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" = never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a ; PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not  be "[N/n]o strings matched".   > --
 > John Reagan 1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 09:39:37 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: TIMEPROMPTWAIT problem 3 Message-ID: <P$M83xZ2D9wc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <rOo5g.7001$hW4.974@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes: > J >    V4.7?   That would be in the latter parts of 1987 and in the earlier 4 > parts of 1988, depending on the particular distro. > C > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html   =    I don't recall when we got ours, but the boot header says:       28-OCT-1987 13:00   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 09:40:57 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: TIMEPROMPTWAIT problem 3 Message-ID: <yOtiE6KzKfYt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <upvlOy2TsBZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ` > In article <1146072822.376439.116450@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, mckinneyj@saic.com writes:8 >>> VAX 11/785 VMS4.7, so scratch your grey matter deep. >>   >>  G >>>   I have a problem with the TOY clock.  To work around it I want to 3 >>>   set TIMEPROMPTWAIT to always prompt for time.  >>  I >> If VMS 4.7 has a SETTIME SYSGEN parameter you'll likely have to set it C >> to a value of 1 (in addition to setting TIMEPROMPTWAIT > 32767).  > < >    OK, thats the kind of thing I was looking for.  Thanks.  +    Yep.  SETTIME fixed my problem.  Thanks.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 10:02:57 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk3 Subject: Re: Web front-end for student registration B Message-ID: <1146675777.597050.64540@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  : I think I'd be looking at the kind of thing that Generix (? http://www.generix.ltd.uk ) can do.  I know that they do custom = "wrappes" for character-cell applicaitons so that they can be 
 webbified.  C If you're talking to the boss, Leonard, by all means say that Steve ! from HPUG Board put you in touch.    Steve    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.245 ************************