1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 246       Contents: Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT  Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT > Any experience with wxWindows? Was: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ?B Re: Any experience with wxWindows? Was: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ?8 Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup8 Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup8 Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup2 Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kitA Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constants  Re: Even lower DS10 pricing  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ?- Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL - Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL 2 Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw!2 Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw!2 Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw!) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!  Re: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut Re: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing  X windows vulnerability   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:47:54 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT6 Message-ID: <44595D4A.39ADB7DA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > B > In article <44581242.B2471E21@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.: > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > N > > > OK, it seems to work but, when it is off the system disk, I'm back to myD > > > old problem of a MERGE being initiated when a node shuts down. > > > I > > > Should it be enough to put $ SET ACCOUNTING/DISABLE near the end of   > > > SYS$MANAGER:SYSHUTDWN.COM? > > L > > As I read the HELP for SET ACCOUNTING, you'll need to mate SET ACCO/DISAJ > > with an appropriate /ENABLE command in SYSTARTUP_V*.COM specifying the > > appropriate keywords.  > G > You mean the action of SET ACCOUNTING/{EN|DIS}ABLE survives a reboot?   ? If didn't, what would the defaults be? (if you didn't issue the A appropriate command on every boot via one of the startup proc.'s)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:30:59 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: ACCOUNTNG.DAT$ Message-ID: <e3c3ij$j5g$1@online.de>  @ In article <44595D4A.39ADB7DA@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.9 Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:    N > > > As I read the HELP for SET ACCOUNTING, you'll need to mate SET ACCO/DISAL > > > with an appropriate /ENABLE command in SYSTARTUP_V*.COM specifying the > > > appropriate keywords.  > > I > > You mean the action of SET ACCOUNTING/{EN|DIS}ABLE survives a reboot?  > A > If didn't, what would the defaults be? (if you didn't issue the C > appropriate command on every boot via one of the startup proc.'s)   A I assume that it would default to whatever the defaults are.  :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 15:01:02 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com G Subject: Any experience with wxWindows? Was: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? C Message-ID: <1146693662.365047.224260@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John Malmberg wrote:= > I have finally got to the point where I am running the GTK+ - > demonstration and test programs for 2.8.17.   @ I've was wondering if anyone here has played with wxWindows as aA cross-platform GUI, and has any thoughts?  It uses native widgets F (Motif, GTK, WIn32, etc) at the lower level.  It's appearently already? been ported to OpenVMS, so that doesn't appear to be a problem.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:09:15 GMT ' From: Steve Thompson <smt@vgersoft.com> K Subject: Re: Any experience with wxWindows? Was: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? C Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0605031808170.18832@honker.vgersoft.com>   - On Wed, 3 May 2006 davidc@montagar.com wrote:   B > I've was wondering if anyone here has played with wxWindows as aC > cross-platform GUI, and has any thoughts?  It uses native widgets H > (Motif, GTK, WIn32, etc) at the lower level.  It's appearently alreadyA > been ported to OpenVMS, so that doesn't appear to be a problem.   H I have used wxWidgets, but not on VMS (Linux, Tru64, Windows). Very nice indeed.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:34:27 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>A Subject: Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup * Message-ID: <44589544@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  J That will not work - there are G% devices other than graphics.  Search theL DECW$ command files (I don't have a system up right now or I would point youK to an example) - you need to search for all the G% devices and check to see B if you have one that is a decwindows output device using F$GETDVI.  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:44581923.963230F6@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > JF Mezei wrote: 
 > > [snip]' > > I would like to have code such as :  > > * > > $IF .not. F$GETSYI("GRAPHICS_CAPABLE")% > I take it this is a wish-list item:  > 1 > TD183::DJESYS$ say F$GETSYI("GRAPHICS_CAPABLE") C > %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling  >  \GRAPHICS_CAPABLE\  > TD183::DJESYS$ vers , > IA64 V8.2-1   (HP rx2600  (1.40GHz/1.5MB)) > 9 > You could try this and see if it returns a null string:  >  > $ gg = f$device( "_G%A0:" )  > G > ...as a way of simulating a wild-carded F$GETDVI( "G%A0:", EXISTS" ). % > Seems to work on V7.2-2 and V7.3-2.  >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:22:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup , Message-ID: <445910E0.12CD5C9A@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote: > L > That will not work - there are G% devices other than graphics.  Search the > DECW$ command files    Ok, I'll look into that.  D BTW, Tnanks to Mr Dachtera for f$device ... I didn't know about thisG one. I had wondered about how to get list fo devices for a long time...  now I know !  H Back to the problem: what is the name of the file that decw will call toA execute site/customized commands after the WS devices have become  available ?   D (eg: where do I put my code to create a default decw$display logicalG pointing to my workstation if the code runs on a graphics-less device ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:07:45 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>A Subject: Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup 6 Message-ID: <445961F1.387BE714@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   FredK wrote: > L > That will not work - there are G% devices other than graphics.  Search theN > DECW$ command files (I don't have a system up right now or I would point youM > to an example) - you need to search for all the G% devices and check to see D > if you have one that is a decwindows output device using F$GETDVI.  G Understood. However, the pattern "_G%A0:" would not match, for example, B either "_node$GKA0:", "_$nnn$GKA0:", "_$1$GGA0:" (is that one evenH possible / recommended?) or "_$2$GGA0:". So F$DEVICE() wouldn't them via
 that pattern.   D Are you aware of other possibilities that would match "_G%A0:" which1 would be either common or not DECwindows-related?   D It might not be 100%; for some sites, though, it may be good enough.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:01:30 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>; Subject: Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kit 6 Message-ID: <4459607A.6F96C65C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jeff Goodwin wrote:  > - > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message > > news:1146644895.385540.59000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...K > > Can't you install  just the new data collector kit and use it with AMDS  > > ?  >  > As I said previously:  > K > > > The AM DC kit overwrites the AVAIL command so AMDS won't work.  I was  > hoping5 > > we'd get a corrected AMDS kit to simplify things.   F If I get the time/inclination, I may see if I can modify the AM DC kitF to install the binaries and leave an existing verb definition unhosed.5 I'd post the modified kit in my freeware directory at # http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/   G Jeff: I may try to correspond with you as I lack the facilities to test 
 AMDS here.  F It wouldn't be before June unless I try to hack up some DCL in Notepad9 on my way to/from Nashua between 14-May and Memorial Day.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:07:29 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>J Subject: Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constants/ Message-ID: <BQ96g.114$3E6.77@news.cpqcorp.net>    vmssysmgr@hotmail.com wrote:D > I am working on some C code and have run into a problem. This codeI > involves talking to external devices. I am trying to store the protocol  > in character constants.   H    I tend to use SDL, and generate mumbledef.h include files from there.  G    For an example of this, see the build procedures for GNM or various  B other tools on the OpenVMS Freeware -- SDL itself is a kit on the < Freeware, as well.  <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/>  I    I usually use SDL/VMS_DEV/C_DEV/LANGUAGE=C=mumbledef.h mumbledef.SDL,  B FWIW, as this tends to generate the most appropriate and the most  familiar C header code.   F    The MESSAGE compiler can also generate SDL files, and from the SDL ? file you can then generate include files for various languages.   H    SDL is how OpenVMS engineering creates the system mumbledef.h files, D obviously, and how we have one source file for each of the multiple   language-specific include files.  H    I'd guess that the reason you are seeing errors with the declaration G you have with ckGetDeviceStatus[3] is because of how it's declared, or  I (more likely) because there are multiple declarations visible within the  F context of the compilation.  (There are pragmas around that allow you I full control over the external model, too, and to force the declarations  6 to effectively overlap, if you want to go that route.)  C    If you can provide a short reproducer for the particular MULDEF  F messages (the source code and the compile and -- if applicable -- the H link command used to build the images), I or somebody else can probably  take a look at it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 00:54:18 -0400 / From: "Randal T. Rioux" <randy@procyonlabs.com> $ Subject: Re: Even lower DS10 pricing9 Message-ID: <44597b73$0$29258$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote:1 > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > " >>Go to www.islandco.com/ds10.html >> >>We have a large qty  >>B >>DS10 466 with 512MB memory and 30GB IDE disk for only $1895 !!!! >  > @ > The ffort is appreciated, Dave. However, that's still circa. aH > half-months take-home pay for some folks (hobbyists), and rather a bit" > to speculate for an ISV/OEM/VAR. >   F I still have trouble comprehending why the DS10 is 4 times the cost of5 my higher spec DS10L. It is toasty and small, too :-)    --   Randal T. Rioux | Procyon Labs IT Security R&D and Consulting Virtual: www.procyonlabs.com Physical: DC / Baltimore7 PGP: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xD08D1941     E *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:52:00 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Free 4100's6 Message-ID: <44595E40.3D60B1EE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > K > On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing ) > <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  > D > > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.< > > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > >> Tom Linden wrote: > >>> J > >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 list > >>> I > >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some  > >>> unused
 > >>> spares.  > >>> G > >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19"  > >>> cabinet. > >>> G > >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area.  > >>>  > >>> Each cabinet contains: > >>> K > >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz CPU,  > >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35. < > >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G)/ > >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2)  > >>> Power distribution etc.  > >>> 3 > >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these.  > >>> B > >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here. > >>	 > >> Tom,  > >>J > >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storageH > >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate theF > >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists > >> willing to take on a 4100.  > >>> > >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them. > >>K > >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some companies' E > >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding,  > >> approvals, ...  > > < > > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker > > [ibarker@aastra.com]L > > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the news > > and ( > > has nothing to do with the machines. > > J > > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far for > > me.) > >  > > -- Alan  > > H > David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that > which " > is exciting and forget the rest.  @ Well, not a "mistake", really. Since you had posted the originalC "forwarded message", I figured you might pass along the replies. At F present, my newsgroup PC is not the same as my e-mail PC. (Netscape isH not configured to send e-mail via Comcast, since I have two other ISPs + AOL (DJBenedict)).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:55:27 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Free 4100's6 Message-ID: <44595F0F.4CA21D94@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  	 Al wrote:  >  > Tom Linden wrote: M > > On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing + > > <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:  > > F > > > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.> > > > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > >> Tom Linden wrote: > > >>> L > > >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 list > > >>> K > > >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some  > > >>> unused > > >>> spares.  > > >>> I > > >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19"  > > >>> cabinet. > > >>> I > > >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area.  > > >>>  > > >>> Each cabinet contains: > > >>> M > > >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz CPU,  > > >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35. > > > >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G)1 > > >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2)  > > >>> Power distribution etc.  > > >>> 5 > > >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these.  > > >>> D > > >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here. > > >> > > >> Tom,  > > >>L > > >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storageJ > > >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate theH > > >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists! > > >> willing to take on a 4100.  > > >>@ > > >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them. > > >>M > > >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some companies' G > > >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding,  > > >> approvals, ...  > > > > > > > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker > > > [ibarker@aastra.com]N > > > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the news	 > > > and * > > > has nothing to do with the machines. > > > L > > > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far for
 > > > me.) > > > 
 > > > -- Alan  > > > J > > David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that	 > > which $ > > is exciting and forget the rest. > H > Oh boy, I know 4100s from having worked on them.... Having lost my VAXD > 3100 and recently getting the bug to program in DCL again, I am soF > tempted to pick up a cabinet or two.... But I need some help, first:D > does anyone have an approximate size / weight for one of these 19"A > racks replete with disks, etc.? I would need to get a quote for @ > shipping.... To Australia (THAT'S how seriously I am tempted!) > ; > Any assistance gratefully recieved, folks. Happy VMS-ing!  >  > Al.  > ( > (These PC things'll never catch on...)  D Never? Heck, they catch on everything: my shirt tails, my slacks, my
 parka, ...  H Seriously - hang in there. As Alpha meets its Waterloo, small Alphas mayD briefly come falling out the heavens before they go the way of small VAXes forever.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 02:01:55 GMT  From: jwshea <jwshea@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Free 4100's> Message-ID: <ngd6g.22231$vy1.17977@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  H I'd also be extremely interested in getting one or two of these cabinetsC shipped to Australia. The only challenge is getting them freighted!   " Al <hobbit_cis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >  > Tom Linden wrote: L >> On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing* >> <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote: >>E >> > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. = >> > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  >> >> Tom Linden wrote:  >> >>>K >> >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 list  >> >>>J >> >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some
 >> >>> unused  >> >>> spares. >> >>>H >> >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19" >> >>> cabinet.  >> >>>H >> >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area. >> >>> >> >>> Each cabinet contains:  >> >>>L >> >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz CPU, >> >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35.= >> >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G) 0 >> >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2) >> >>> Power distribution etc. >> >>>4 >> >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these. >> >>>C >> >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here.  >> >> 
 >> >> Tom, >> >> K >> >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storage I >> >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate the G >> >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists   >> >> willing to take on a 4100. >> >> ? >> >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them.  >> >> L >> >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some companies'F >> >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding, >> >> approvals, ... >> >= >> > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker  >> > [ibarker@aastra.com] M >> > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the news  >> > and) >> > has nothing to do with the machines.  >> >K >> > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far for 	 >> > me.)  >> > >> > -- Alan >> >I >> David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that  >> which# >> is exciting and forget the rest.  >  > H > Oh boy, I know 4100s from having worked on them.... Having lost my VAXD > 3100 and recently getting the bug to program in DCL again, I am soF > tempted to pick up a cabinet or two.... But I need some help, first:D > does anyone have an approximate size / weight for one of these 19"A > racks replete with disks, etc.? I would need to get a quote for @ > shipping.... To Australia (THAT'S how seriously I am tempted!) > ; > Any assistance gratefully recieved, folks. Happy VMS-ing!  >  > Al.  > ( > (These PC things'll never catch on...) >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:26:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Free 4100's, Message-ID: <44596640.F0877CA3@teksavvy.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > Seriously - hang in there. As Alpha meets its Waterloo, small Alphas mayF > briefly come falling out the heavens before they go the way of small > VAXes forever.  8 Have more hobbyist-perfect Alphas been manufactured thanH hobbyist-perfect vaxes ? Because of DEC's decline, I have a feeling that@ there won't be as big a surplus of alphas as there was of vaxes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:43:32 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec> ' Subject: Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? / Message-ID: <EJ76g.100$JI6.63@news.cpqcorp.net>    JOUKJ wrote: > John Malmberg wrote: >  >> JOUKJ wrote:  >>E >>> Note that it is realy "alpha" and not finished. I got some tests  B >>> running correctly but only on screens which ghave the Xrender E >>> Extenstion. So hardly anything works yet on a native VMS display.   < I have finally got to the point where I am running the GTK+ + demonstration and test programs for 2.8.17.   D I have not found anything that requires the Xrender extension to be  present on the X-11 display.  I What I have found is that the CAIRO package as used by GTK+ is requiring  D a display with more than 8 bits per pixel, or it terminates with an F access violation.  The comments in the source code where it discovers 8 such a display indicate that they know it does not work.  # The only issues that I can see are:   H 1. The delete key works backwards on the text objects when displayed on E an OpenVMS display, and there is an entry in the OpenVMS FAQ about a  G work around for that.  The delete key works fine with an X-11 emulator.   C 2. The filechooser widget does not understand how to deal with the  E OpenVMS disk structure.  It only knows about SYS$LOGIN:, The current  > default directory, and what can be found under SYS$POSIX_ROOT:  E 3. One of the text demonstrations is generating a lot of diagnostics  D about a font error even though it displays correctly.  I suspect it G needs a font that is not present on OpenVMS.  Fontconfig seems to only  G like using the True-Type fonts supplied with DECWindows-Motif.  I have    not tried any third party fonts.   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.hp.compaq.dec  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:41:56 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>' Subject: Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? 6 Message-ID: <44595BE4.A5FD8146@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Malmberg wrote: >  > [snip]% > The only issues that I can see are:  > I > 1. The delete key works backwards on the text objects when displayed on  > an OpenVMS display, [snip]  C Could I trouble you to expound on that? How does a Delete key "work F backwards"? Does it insert random text rather than delete the unwanted text?   G ...or are you saying that instead of deleting the character to the left B of the cursor it deletes the character to the right of the cursor?  ' How does a Delete key "work backwards"?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:48:41 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>6 Subject: Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL6 Message-ID: <44595D79.107DB38C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > G > More important, perhaps, is do the 90TLs remote boot via MOP?  If so, E > you'll need to get a boot server on the other network segment(s) or I > else the devices won't be able to reboot should they get powercycled or 
 > go down.  $ I believe 90TLs support BOOTP, IIRC.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:19:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL, Message-ID: <4459649F.1D7A28FE@teksavvy.com>  % BTW, if you need the doc for the 90TL   @ http://deathrow.vistech.net/~cvisors/DEC94MDS/  is your friends.  ; Look for "Decserver 90" or "DSRVE"  in the list of manuals.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:51:51 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=); Subject: Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! ; Message-ID: <1hes1m3.172l5okyhfzxnN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>    <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:  , > no mention of OpenVMS ... I wonder why? :)  8 I don't - are the affected versions of X11 used in VMS ?  + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31417   4 Also no mention of X11 being *optional* on Mac OS X.< But they refer to a Yahoo news article that does mention it.   --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 11:04:22 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ; Subject: Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! B Message-ID: <1146679462.664726.72500@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:, > no mention of OpenVMS ... I wonder why? :) > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31417   ) There are a couple of answers for that...   C 1) Nobody involved in this article probably gives a crap about VMS.   D 2)  If you READ the article it says the vulnerability only affects aF version of X windows which is not used by VMS so therefore there is no? need to mention VMS.  Here is the quote (from the Yahoo article & referenced by The Inquirer's article):  D "The flaw, which affects X11R6.9.0 and X11R7.0.0, was fixed within aG week of its discovery, and Chelf said Coverity has implemented a system D to analyze the X Window System on a continuous basis to help prevent( new defects from entering the project. "  G The most recent version of X available on VMS is for Motif 1.5 and that G version is X11R6.6 so it's not affected by the flaw (see "HP DECwindows : Motif for OpenVMS Release Notes " for V1.5 section 4.1.1 -O http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/6470/6470pro_005.html#rn_toolkit_vers_hd)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 12:01:37 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com ; Subject: Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! B Message-ID: <1146682896.983855.87820@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  < now this is brilliant ... homeland security instead of using5 vms is now paying companies to screen unix/linux code 1 for potential security problems ... brilliant ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:41:10 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!; Message-ID: <1hes0xe.1bh4jmxbtohe4N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>   7 "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:    >   L > The local news in Denver interviewed a Comp Sci professor either at CSU orL > UC Boulder (I don't remember which) and he had been hit by this Mac virus.  B In case you missed it, that was one of my main points - *what* Mac@ virus? There's no telling. Are you sure it was the same virus ? 3 OTOH there are not too many strains to choose from.   B Viruses have names - for that matter, so have Comp Sci professors.H Not naming the virus or the source gives any report urban legend status.  : > "Anders Eklf" <andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> wrote in message6 > news:1heq3uo.ojmmus1zvzyaN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se...   > > F > > The article doesn't mention a name or designation for the alledgedL > > virus, lending the article some urban legend status. Or a best, a re-run> > > of the Inqtana or Oompa proof-of-concept worms (February).   --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:44:02 GMT > From: andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=)2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <1hes1f5.8qjhjbcu7ocdN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se>  2 Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:   > VMS?  What's that?  % Why are you hanging around here ? :-)    --  5 I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines  . to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:33:31 +0000 (UTC)1 From: legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <e3b0ib$iqu$1@news.xmission.com>  / [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   ; koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org spake the secret code / <hVUwvP2R4m$b@eisner.encompasserve.org> thusly:   D >  VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_I >  superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bug E >  in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference.   9 What's the salient design feature that makes it superior?   G Can you point me to some online VMS manuals that talk about its design?   C I have a VAXserver 4000/300 with VMS and I would like to learn more ? about VMS from a design and user perspective, but I haven't yet : learned to navigate the maze of twisty little links to the documentation. --  E "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 3           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ( 	    Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty,                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:38:08 +0000 (UTC)1 From: legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <e3b0r0$iqu$4@news.xmission.com>  / [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code6 <8aqdnYdS96KLf8XZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  E >Probably doesn't even know that his machine is likely a member of a   >spam-bot ring.   C Oh please.  Now you're just flailing and making wild claims because B you find it hard to believe that with a few simple precautions youC don't need AV software on a windows box.  Hell, I didn't even run a  firewall until a few years ago.   C The most that's ever happened is people sending Windows virii to my F unix email account and people sending email with my address spoofed asE the From address while trying to send viral payloads to other people.   C I've received tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of spam messages. D I've been a heavy user of the internet since 1986 or thereabouts andF I've had a PC at home running some flavor of Windows since 1993.  I've? never had a virus, although I've had many Windows haters try to A convince me that I did have viruses on my machine over the years.    None of them was ever correct. --  E "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 3           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ( 	    Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty,                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:35:20 +0000 (UTC)1 From: legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <e3b0lo$iqu$3@news.xmission.com>  / [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code6 <8aqdnYRS96J7fMXZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:   >Richard wrote: 2 >> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>  5 >> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code 9 >> <24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  >>   >>  M >>>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years.  >>   >>  H >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >> and have never been hit by a virus. >   >That one I don't believe. [...]  ; Making you believe the facts of my life is not my priority.  --  E "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 3           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ( 	    Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty,                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:39:52 +0000 (UTC)1 From: legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <e3b0u8$iqu$5@news.xmission.com>  / [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   N andekl_no@saaf_spam.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Ekl=F6f?=) spake the secret code7 <1hes0u4.bo9mcl177711iN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> thusly:   I >> That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up 4 >> ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line. > H >If Richard resides behind a corporate firewall since 13 years It may be >true...  E Nope.  No corporate firewall.  No firewall at all until recently when D it came as part of my WAP/cable modem/LAN box from Linksys.  I don'tB think I even enable the XP firewall at home.  I've been on a cableD modem since about 1998 and haven't had any system compromised in any way. --  E "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 3           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ( 	    Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty,                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:54:51 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <A5-dnaHujt8gqcTZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>   Richard wrote:1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 4 > GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code8 > <8aqdnYdS96KLf8XZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly: >  > F >>Probably doesn't even know that his machine is likely a member of a  >>spam-bot ring. >  > E > Oh please.  Now you're just flailing and making wild claims because D > you find it hard to believe that with a few simple precautions youE > don't need AV software on a windows box.  Hell, I didn't even run a ! > firewall until a few years ago.   G Wild claims??  Tell that to the Seattle area hospital complex that got  F infected and turned most of their PCs into spam-bots.  The law caught  the guy, but it still happened.    > E > The most that's ever happened is people sending Windows virii to my H > unix email account and people sending email with my address spoofed asG > the From address while trying to send viral payloads to other people.  > E > I've received tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of spam messages. F > I've been a heavy user of the internet since 1986 or thereabouts andH > I've had a PC at home running some flavor of Windows since 1993.  I'veA > never had a virus, although I've had many Windows haters try to C > convince me that I did have viruses on my machine over the years.  >   G Then you've been very very lucky.  Must be your ISP, because most ISPs  8 don't really care that much.  Try CenturyTel for an ISP.    > None of them was ever correct.     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:56:44 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!: Message-ID: <A5-dnaDujt-yqMTZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@bresnan.com>   Richard wrote:  1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 9 > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> spake the secret code 7 > <hM2dnRd-xfQQtsXZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@libcom.com> thusly:  >  >  >>Richard wrote: >>2 >>>[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>> 5 >>>GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code 9 >>><24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  >>>  >>> N >>>>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years. >>> H >>>I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >>>and have never been hit by a virus. >>A >>How do you know if you don't have anything to identify malware?  >  > E > I've never had any errant behavior and I've run AV scanners before.  > Never had a thing. >  > K >>I guess there is some looseness in the term 'hit by a virus'.  Getting a  K >>virus or such in a mail message is one thing.  Running the damn thing so   >>it is active is another. >  > G > Email is the main transmission vector for Windows malware.  I haven't # > ever used my PC as a mail reader.   > That isn't the only place that is vulnerable.  IE has as many H vulnerabilities.  Now, how about trojans and worms?  Seems to be plenty  of them and counting.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:59:57 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!0 Message-ID: <NMednVEiV95yqMTZRVn-qg@bresnan.com>   Anders Eklf wrote:   % > GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:  >  >  >>Richard wrote: >>2 >>>[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>> 5 >>>GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code 9 >>><24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  >>>  >>>  >>> N >>>>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years. >>>  >>> H >>>I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >>>and have never been hit by a virus. >>H >>That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up3 >>ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line.  >  > I > If Richard resides behind a corporate firewall since 13 years It may be 	 > true...  >   E That may be, but he never said he was.  The claim that you can't get  G infected by viruses on windows with AV software isn't true.  Ask Kevin  H Mitnic that got caught.  His claims are that the hackers true secret is D the vulnerability that M$ doesn't know about or that the AV writers D don't know about, the few hackers that do know about and keep it to F themselves.  Kevin basically asks "why do hackers hack windows?"  ...  because they can.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:01:52 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!0 Message-ID: <NMednVAiV97-q8TZRVn-qg@bresnan.com>   Richard wrote:  1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 4 > GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code8 > <8aqdnYRS96J7fMXZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly: >  >  >>Richard wrote: >>2 >>>[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>> 5 >>>GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code 9 >>><24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  >>>  >>>  >>> N >>>>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years. >>>  >>> H >>>I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >>>and have never been hit by a virus. >>! >>That one I don't believe. [...]  >  > = > Making you believe the facts of my life is not my priority.   F Guffaw!!! Believing in this specious claims is hilarious.  Pray tell, I why do AV companies profit so well then?  And why do the courts arrest a  F few that control over a hundred thousand PCs and make them spam bots? 7 Most users don't even know that their PC is a spam-bot.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 15:14:56 -0700 ' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut C Message-ID: <1146694496.293296.146990@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote:" > "singhal.rishi@gmail.com" wrote:
 > > [snip]J > > 2. The young technical community (as per my seeing and believing) does0 > > not use Usenet (sorry if this is offensive). > 3 > What do they use? Is there a better forum to use?   E If so, I ain't seen it. But it appears these guys are more interested A in a clique than a one-stop shop, judging by the proliferation of  micro-SIGs on the web.  D Such splintering must bemuse people like yourself who are doing realE grunt work in promoting the platform... I mean, where would you go to C make announcements? Each of 10,000 web communities? Or post here...    (Sigh)   >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:45:42 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS fanclub in Orkut 6 Message-ID: <44595CC6.A0342946@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   toby wrote:  >  > David J. Dachtera wrote:$ > > "singhal.rishi@gmail.com" wrote: > > > [snip]L > > > 2. The young technical community (as per my seeing and believing) does2 > > > not use Usenet (sorry if this is offensive). > > 5 > > What do they use? Is there a better forum to use?  > G > If so, I ain't seen it. But it appears these guys are more interested C > in a clique than a one-stop shop, judging by the proliferation of  > micro-SIGs on the web. > F > Such splintering must bemuse people like yourself who are doing realG > grunt work in promoting the platform... I mean, where would you go to E > make announcements? Each of 10,000 web communities? Or post here...   D Bemuse? Frustrate is more like it. Then again, as spamming becomes aD more common technique, it is perhaps assumed that someone wanting toF address many "cliques" (as you called them) would simply "spam" (read: cross-post) the lot of them.   > (Sigh)  	 Seconded.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:54:22 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply): Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing$ Message-ID: <e3aqoe$vd5$1@online.de>  ? > Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" ? > never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a = > PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not  > be "[N/n]o strings matched".  I Depending on what you're doing, SEARCH/NOWARNINGS might make you a happy   camper.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:31:18 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> : Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasingD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0605031227250.2292@localhost.localdomain>  0 On Wed, 3 May 2006 norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  ? > Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" ? > never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a = > PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not  > be "[N/n]o strings matched".  G I have a little bit of DCL that I pass a status value and a string to,  C in this case "%X08D78053" and "NOMATCHES" (because I am a trusting  B soul).  My code checks to see if F$MESSAGE of the status gives me F <mumble>-NOMATCHES.  If it does, the NOTMATCHES symbol is defined for ; the caller to use.  If it does not, it takes an error exit.    FWIW   - Rob        --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:17:59 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com: Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasingQ Message-ID: <OFA16C87B4.1291F0A3-ON85257163.006977F0-85257163.006A0466@metso.com>   J helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  wrote on 05/03/2006 01:54:22 PM:  A > > Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" A > > never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a ? > > PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not   > > be "[N/n]o strings matched". > J > Depending on what you're doing, SEARCH/NOWARNINGS might make you a happy	 > camper.  >  Not in this case.  However, 5 SEARCH/NOWARNINGS[=(NOMATCHES[,TRUNCATE[,NULLFILE]])] B so I can, for example, suppress the NULLFILE but not the NOMATCHES would sometimes help.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:20:05 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> : Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing9 Message-ID: <VOidnftMK-k2nMTZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@libcom.com>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > C > John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote on 05/02/2006 03:53:32 PM:  >   >> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:/ >>> $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ' >>> $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact + >>> %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched ' >>> $ set message /noiden /nofac /nosev ' >>> $ search myfile.log; "mytext"/exact  >>> No strings matched/ >>> $!xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  >>> - >>> In this example the word "no" in the case / >>> where all parts of set message are enabled, ) >>> is lower case, but when only /TEXT is ( >>> enabled, the "N" in "No" is upcased. >>> . >>> Is this a conceit of F$FAO for readability# >>> at the expense of easy parsing?  >>> A >> It is SYS$PUTMSG [fixed] that upcases the leading character if C >> the ident, facility, and severity are turned off.  Been that way  >> since day 1.  >  > Thanks for that information. > > >> Why are you parsing the output instead of checking $STATUS? >> > ? > Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" ? > never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a = > PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not  > be "[N/n]o strings matched". >  >> --  >> John Reagan2 >> HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader >> Hewlett-Packard Company >   I Doing all comparisons in all uppercase seems to avoid the problem you're   talking about.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:03:44 -0700 ! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> : Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing( Message-ID: <44590CA0.8090407@triumf.ca>   Dave Froble wrote: > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  >   	    [snip]    > K > Doing all comparisons in all uppercase seems to avoid the problem you're   > talking about. >   C    Indeed.  Unless I am looking for a specific mixture of upper and D    lower case (i.e, I *want* a case-sensitive search or comparison),B    I always uppercase ANYTHING that is going to an "if" comparisonC    or f$locate.  And generally speaking when I am handling keyboard B    input I also do an line = f$edit(line,"TRIM,UPCASE") .  In some0    cases I may use "COLLAPSE" instead of "TRIM".  =    I found out we needed to do that over 20 years ago.  It is ?    absolutely necessary in order to make your code bulletproof. B    It's just one of those basic things that DCL programmers simply    have to know and practice.   @    This bad habit goes right along with jumping to labels inside&    IF-ENDIF blocks, another bad habit.  E    And yet such code continues to be written and posted.  Does anyone G    know of a really good DCL code-checker utility (yeah, other than the "    real thing itself...)?  Thanks.    *   ,, fred bach ,, music at triumf dot ca .   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 16:14:36 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing3 Message-ID: <10doot9sok21@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <44590CA0.8090407@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> writes:  G >    And yet such code continues to be written and posted.  Does anyone I >    know of a really good DCL code-checker utility (yeah, other than the $ >    real thing itself...)?  Thanks.  G Charlie Hammond publishes successive releases of one from time to time.  The name might be "DCLCHECK".    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:00:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: X windows vulnerability, Message-ID: <4459280A.61DF962C@teksavvy.com>  6 There has been talk abuot an X vulnetability in MacOS.  J It is in fact an X windows vulnerability affecting all systems running it.  $ http://secunia.com/advisories/19307/  F Essentially, the same type of bug that affected the VMS TCPIP ServicesH pop server: an unprivileged user can run the x-server image , speciffy aL log file and have that privileged image overwrite wherever was there before.  G They say this bug was not preset in the old version of X (and since VMS H runs on antique X/motif, this bug report does not seem to affect it, butB it remains to see if anyone in VMS engineering would test this and= provide a confirmation that VMS is immune from this problem).    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.246 ************************