1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 247       Contents:8 Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup8 Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup2 Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kit Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacks 8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix( DECTerm creation of DECW$DISPLAY logical DS10L SCSI CableA Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constants  Re: Even lower DS10 pricing  Re: Even lower DS10 pricing  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: Free 4100's  Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ?- Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL 2 Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! HP Change Artist) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! 5 Re: Miltu-core CPUs, threads vs AST driven approaches  Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card& Re: OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d)1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing 1 Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasing  software services  to bob@instantwhip* Re: Web front-end for student registration  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2006 23:29:59 -0700 1 From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" <Bart.Zorn@gmail.com> A Subject: Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup C Message-ID: <1146724199.364142.167080@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   0 Several procedures in SYS$STARTUP:DECW*.COM use:  ) f$device("*","workstation","decw_output")   ( Maybe that is the solution here as well?  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 03:14:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: Automatically create a default DEC$DISLAY at startup , Message-ID: <4459A998.6551F218@teksavvy.com>   "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" wrote: > 2 > Several procedures in SYS$STARTUP:DECW*.COM use: > + > f$device("*","workstation","decw_output")     E Thanks. This seems to work great. On my 3100, it yields _GEA0: , on a G 4000-600, it gives empty string. So this seems to be the ticket for me.  Thanks !!!!    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:08:01 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> ; Subject: Re: Availability Manager V2.5-B Data Collector kit 5 Message-ID: <B8m6g.6363$TT.5959@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   : "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message/ news:5q_5g.5214$Gg.2808@twister.nyroc.rr.com...  > - > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message > > news:1146644895.385540.59000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...K > > Can't you install  just the new data collector kit and use it with AMDS  > > ?  >  > As I said previously:  > K > > > The AM DC kit overwrites the AVAIL command so AMDS won't work.  I was  > hoping5 > > we'd get a corrected AMDS kit to simplify things.  > J I'm going to have to back off from this issue.  I just tried the AM DC kitH on another system and did not have the problem with AVAIL/MOTIF command.L The system where I experienced the issue is in transit to another site and IK won't be able to see what I did to get this error for at least a few weeks.    Sorry, Jeff >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 03:27:32 -0700 ) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> & Subject: Re: CIFS on Alpha & IP stacksB Message-ID: <1146738452.426632.68780@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  
 Dan and John,   D >From all of us who will likely be using the kits, thank you for the gracious and quick response.  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:49:27 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix 5 Message-ID: <44530c87$0$7378$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   & Dave Froble wrote on 29-4-2006 8:08...	 [...snip]  > G > The filename is just a damn handle to let you grab ahold of the file.   G Indeed. The RUN command expands to: load whatever the handle points to  B in memory, look *into* the file for a transfer address, and start  executing there.  G Likewise, the EDIT command expands to: load whatever the handle points  = to in memory, and display (the first part of) it on a screen.   1 The BASIC command expands to... (you do the math)   H So, VMS doesn't care about semantics and metadata, each utility/command  does what it likes.   F In a way, this is close to Hoff's database view concept. Each utility J has its own way of dealing with what it finds beyond the handle (filename)   /Wilm    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:33:09 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix : Message-ID: <UomdnWvzm4cBn8fZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com>   Richard wrote:  1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > E > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> spake the secret code 8 > <SZSdncSjMuXXScrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com> thusly: >  >  >>Rich Alderson wrote: >> >>@ >>>koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>>  >>>  >>> F >>>>  Except, of course, that all the UNIX compilers have no idea what6 >>>>  thier input is without looking at the extension. >>>  >>>  >>>Oh, horseshit.  >>% >>That's certainly true of gcc. [...]  >  >  > No, its not true of gcc.    4 Suggest you RTFM!!!!  Start on page 9 where it says:  H "For any given input file, the file name suffix determines what kind of  compilation is done:   file.c) 	C source code which must be preprocessed  file.i* 	C source which should not be preprocessed file.ii C++ . . . .    file.m 	Objective-C . . . .   etc.  ' Assuming, of course, that you CAN read!    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 13:50:07 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix , Message-ID: <4buf4fF12dqp4U1@individual.net>  : In article <UomdnWvzm4cBn8fZnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com>,6 	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > Richard wrote: > 2 >> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] >>  F >> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> spake the secret code9 >> <SZSdncSjMuXXScrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com> thusly:  >>   >>   >>>Rich Alderson wrote:  >>>  >>> A >>>>koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  >>>> >>>> >>>>G >>>>>  Except, of course, that all the UNIX compilers have no idea what 7 >>>>>  thier input is without looking at the extension.  >>>> >>>> >>>>Oh, horseshit. >>> & >>>That's certainly true of gcc. [...] >>   >>   >> No, its not true of gcc.  >  > 6 > Suggest you RTFM!!!!  Start on page 9 where it says: > J > "For any given input file, the file name suffix determines what kind of  > compilation is done: >  > file.c+ > 	C source code which must be preprocessed  > file.i, > 	C source which should not be preprocessed > file.ii C++ . . . .  >  > file.m > 	Objective-C . . . . >  > etc. > ) > Assuming, of course, that you CAN read!   C Insults aside, I would further suggest you read further down to the D "-x" option where it plainly states how to compile a file regardlessC of the extension.  The use of known extensions are merely something D to make it easier because there are standard conventions that are in< use in our business, but gcc allows for them to not be used.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 04:02:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: DECTerm creation of DECW$DISPLAY logical + Message-ID: <4459B50A.E3CEF55@teksavvy.com>   	 on NODE1:   / $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=DECNET/NODE=NODE2  $CREATE/TERM/DETACH/NOLOGGED_IN   K This causes a decterm window to pop up on NODE2, with the Username: prompt.   D You login, and once at the $ prompt, SHOW LOG DECW$DISPLAY shows the- logical exists in exec mode in the job table.     $ Who creates that logical and when ?   H Since, at the time the DECTERM window is created, you are not yet loggedC in, can decterm software predefine a logical for a job that doesn't  exist ?   @ Or is it a case of the login process morphing into your eventualF process, which means that DECTERM, when creating the login process canH predefine the logical which survives through the login process onto your* eventual process under your own username ?  H Or does DECTERM magically intervene when it notices you have succesfullyE logged in and inserts the DECW$DISPLAY logical behind the scenes into  your job logical table ?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 04:07:34 -0700  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au  Subject: DS10L SCSI Cable B Message-ID: <1146740854.361919.34500@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  	 Hi Group,   A Just picked up a cheap KZPCM-DA SCSI card to replace the crap IDE D controller on my hobbyist DS10L.  The DS10L works perfectly with the' KZPCM-DA and a Compaq 36 Gb SCSI drive.   F Went to close the case and found that you need a special SCSI cable to' fit the KZPCM-DA inside the DS10L case.   D Checked out the DS10L Technical specification and it mentions a SCSI cable 3X-BN51A-SD.  D Anyone know what the connector is I need to buy to allow me to close@ the case on my DS10L when I am using my new SCSI card and drive.   Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 03:39:03 -0700 ) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> J Subject: Re: Dumb C programming question; where to put character constantsB Message-ID: <1146739143.272028.33870@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Will,   F You did not include enough of the source, but following standard C/C++C code writiing practice, the included modules are before any program E unit, and are thus global in scope. When you LINK the image, you will E indeed get Multiple Definition errors. The #define operations are not F related to this discussion, as their effects are limited to processing@ by the compiler, there are no traces (except for the substituted7 values) in the object file that is input to the LINKER.    You have four options:E  - define a separate module containing the stored constants, and then . use the extern modifier (as suggested by Hoff)E  - move the definition of the array from the #include'd module to the @ module containing the main program (and use the extern modifier)D  - restructure so that all the references to the actual commands areE limited to a "protocol" module (which is not a bad idea for isolating  future changes) E  - replicating the array definition in each program unit locally (and ? removing it from the #include'd file, except perhaps as a macro  definition)   F Which one of the above is most suitable depends on the details of your$ source base and your personal taste.  ! I hope that the aboce is helpful.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:37:28 -0400C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> $ Subject: Re: Even lower DS10 pricing: Message-ID: <nym6g.29793$MM6.15382@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  , It all comes down to the number of PCI slotsF We pay WAY more for DS10 than DS10L as the "L" had so little expansion capacity   DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   : "Randal T. Rioux" <randy@procyonlabs.com> wrote in message3 news:44597b73$0$29258$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...  > David J. Dachtera wrote:3 > > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > > $ > >>Go to www.islandco.com/ds10.html > >> > >>We have a large qty  > >>D > >>DS10 466 with 512MB memory and 30GB IDE disk for only $1895 !!!! > >  > > B > > The ffort is appreciated, Dave. However, that's still circa. aJ > > half-months take-home pay for some folks (hobbyists), and rather a bit$ > > to speculate for an ISV/OEM/VAR. > >  > H > I still have trouble comprehending why the DS10 is 4 times the cost of7 > my higher spec DS10L. It is toasty and small, too :-)  >  > --    > Randal T. Rioux | Procyon Labs  > IT Security R&D and Consulting > Virtual: www.procyonlabs.com > Physical: DC / Baltimore9 > PGP: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 0xD08D1941  >  > G > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 07:20:08 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>$ Subject: Re: Even lower DS10 pricingC Message-ID: <1146752407.998338.198180@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   H > I still have trouble comprehending why the DS10 is 4 times the cost of7 > my higher spec DS10L. It is toasty and small, too :-)   F If you want graphics _and_ SCSI, or graphics _and_ gigabit ethernet orG ... then the DS10-L single slot makes it inadequate.  Sure you can shop E around for one of the combo cards that has basic (slow) graphics plus D SCSI, but they currently cost many times what the DS10-L will from aF reseller.  It will probably still be cheaper than the DS10 but you getF average graphics performance and somewhat slower SCSI than a dedicatedB card would get you, and you're limited to older SCSI variants too.  E Plus the DS10 can get double the memory without locating hard to find B and expensive low profile DIMMs; the DS10-L is limited to 1GB with0 standard DIMMs due to the 1U height limitations.  C My cheap DS10L (thanks, Islandco!) makes a great server; I put in a > KZPBA Ultrawide for disk, and have the ability to upgrade to aF U2LVD-80, 160, or even 320 down the road, and I don't need graphics on= it.  But I can't use a DS10L for a desktop in my environment.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 04:47:17 -0700  From: dooleys@snowy.net.au Subject: Re: Free 4100'sC Message-ID: <1146743237.656269.185550@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   & Alphas occasionally come up on ebay.au< the last one was an Alphaserver 2000 4/233 that went for $20 Phil   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:24:58 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Free 4100's9 Message-ID: <qom6g.3814$ix6.279651@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; >"Carl Friedberg" <frida.fried@gmail.com> wrote in message  F > >news:890539d90605030736s6de17b73w56c7d60a92b1a3ef@mail.gmail.com... >Al, > D >An AlphaServer 800, while a bit slower (and uni-processor) would beD >a more cost-effective choice. Watch e-bay, you'll see them, and theG >cost will be less than your shipping costs to AU (including shipping).  > F >And, you don't need any more power or HVAC  than a standard PC tower.E >Those 4100's will replace your home furnace, which is alright if you  >are near the arctic zones.  >  >Best (just my 2cents) >  >Carl   I These machines will run a little cooler if you only run one of the three  F available power supplies. However, in this case there are quite a few D available spare boards and a temptation to run each box with 4 CPUs.  C http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name.html   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:28:46 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Free 4100's9 Message-ID: <Srm6g.3825$ix6.279471@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:44596640.F0877CA3@teksavvy.com... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:K >> Seriously - hang in there. As Alpha meets its Waterloo, small Alphas may G >> briefly come falling out the heavens before they go the way of small  >> VAXes forever.  > : > Have more hobbyist-perfect Alphas been manufactured thanJ > hobbyist-perfect vaxes ? Because of DEC's decline, I have a feeling thatB > there won't be as big a surplus of alphas as there was of vaxes. >   H Alphas (and Alpha parts) are still a very big seller in the third-party F market. I always thought the VAX product line would be considered the K Chevy-era of computing but I know think this is true for the Alpha product   line.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:00:50 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Free 4100's) Message-ID: <op.s8047omvzgicya@hyrrokkin>   7 On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:52:00 -0700, David J. Dachtera   - <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  >>D >> On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:34:49 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central   >> Computing* >> <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote: >>E >> > In article <44581523.BC3A7256@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. = >> > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  >> >> Tom Linden wrote:  >> >>>K >> >>> Iain Barker [ibarker@aastra.com]  just posted this on the Tru64 list  >> >>>J >> >>> We have approx 50x used AS4100 AlphaServers for disposal, plus some
 >> >>> unused  >> >>> spares. >> >>>H >> >>> Systems are a mix of AC and DC powered units, mounted two per 19" >> >>> cabinet.  >> >>>H >> >>> FREE! - buyer must collect from our loading dock, Boston MA area. >> >>> >> >>> Each cabinet contains:  >> >>>I >> >>> 2x AS4100 (AC) or AS4100-CO (DC) each with: 1GB RAM, 1-4x 533MHz    >> CPU,  >> >>> Ethernet, T1/E1/V.35.= >> >>> 2x BA36x SCSI shelf with disks (mix of 18G, 9G and 4G) 0 >> >>> 2x Memory channel hubs (Mix of MC1 & MC2) >> >>> Power distribution etc. >> >>>4 >> >>> Email me to arrange pickup if you want these. >> >>>C >> >>> All will be scrapped next week if there is no interest here.  >> >> 
 >> >> Tom, >> >> K >> >> If you get no takers, I'll see if I can arrange shipping to a storage I >> >> space and put them up on eBay. Of course, I'll have to separate the G >> >> machines from the racks to make shipping affordable for hobbyists   >> >> willing to take on a 4100. >> >> ? >> >> Also, if Islandco doesn't speak up, try approaching them.  >> >> C >> >> ...oh, yeah, a week's notice is a bit short given that some   
 >> companies' F >> >> acquisition cycles can take months or even years to get funding, >> >> approvals, ... >> >= >> > All very good, but I think you want to write Iain Barker  >> > [ibarker@aastra.com] J >> > with this stuff; I get the impression Tom is just passing along the   >> news  >> > and) >> > has nothing to do with the machines.  >> >K >> > (Which I admit I'm salivating over, but 3000 miles away is too far for 	 >> > me.)  >> > >> > -- Alan >> >  D Sorry to inadvertently malign you, David, left out an essential wordI >> David was the only one to make that mistake.  We see in a message that              NOT  >> which# >> is exciting and forget the rest.  > B > Well, not a "mistake", really. Since you had posted the originalE > "forwarded message", I figured you might pass along the replies. At H > present, my newsgroup PC is not the same as my e-mail PC. (Netscape isJ > not configured to send e-mail via Comcast, since I have two other ISPs + > AOL (DJBenedict)). >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:35:43 -0400 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> ' Subject: Re: GLIB and GTK for OpenVMS ? ; Message-ID: <8--dnfwCK4-dRMTZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@adelphia.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > John Malmberg wrote: >  >>[snip]% >>The only issues that I can see are:  >>I >>1. The delete key works backwards on the text objects when displayed on  >>an OpenVMS display, [snip] > I > ...or are you saying that instead of deleting the character to the left D > of the cursor it deletes the character to the right of the cursor?  % Yes, as described in the OpenVMS FAQ.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 07:31:25 -0500 ! From: John <norad869@comcast.net> 6 Subject: Re: Help configuring telnet on DECserver 90TL* Message-ID: <4459F41D.8040808@comcast.net>   David J. Dachtera wrote:   >etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >    > G >>More important, perhaps, is do the 90TLs remote boot via MOP?  If so, E >>you'll need to get a boot server on the other network segment(s) or I >>else the devices won't be able to reboot should they get powercycled or 
 >>go down. >>     >> > % >I believe 90TLs support BOOTP, IIRC.  >  >    >  DS 90TL's support BOOTP, TFTP   G Just make sure you have a 4-MB simm and the appropriate firmware rev -   MNENG3   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 07:58:26 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! 3 Message-ID: <d7$rRZvZDYJE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <44590DCB.5000805@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> writes: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:? >> now this is brilliant ... homeland security instead of using 8 >> vms is now paying companies to screen unix/linux code4 >> for potential security problems ... brilliant ... >>   > A >    Part of the beauty of X-windows is that it is supposed to be D >    platform-independent.  So your Linux machines can display their@ >    output on VMS machines, and vice-versa.  So even if HS usedB >    all VMS they still might need the ability to link up to Linux >    some time.   C    I don't know about later releases, but mixing X11R4 servers with C    X11R5 clients would show you limitations the platform indepence.   D    I'm sure none of my VMS systems run the client or server versionsG    mentioned in the article, I'm not sure wether they can serve clients $    or use servers of those versions.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:29:46 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: HP Change Artist < Message-ID: <_sm6g.75232$tc.38947@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  I Just saw an ad for an HP Webcast on how to become a "change artist". The  I trailer is Macromedia flash so be prepared to change from VMS to Windows  - to view it (and probably the webcast itself).    https://h30294.www3.hp.com/hp/act?req=BjEft6Uig%2FPEg2MWQ%2FU3%2BaOJQ%2FBs%2BaO3Q%2FdzOjK7g%2FU7%2BWC3Q%2FmabjF9b9Z1ozMzGjEft2MzMjE7t35f%2BWtZt2MXQ1ZnK49u&branch=promo    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:46:24 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!= Message-ID: <4459cd57$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Bob Koehler wrote:m > In article <445852b9$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  >  >>Michael D. Ober wrote: >>L >>>If the MacIntosh becomes more common, it's security by obscurity security >>>model will fail.  >>E >>The same thing could be said about VMS.  OS X is based on the MACH  H >>kernel, where most of the processing takes place in processes that do I >>not have access to more than they need.  VMS is not superior by design  J >>to OS X when it comes to security.  VMS might be better coded and might K >>have better coding standards, but it is naive to think that there are no  ? >>security bugs hidden in the millions of lines of code of VMS.  >  > E >   VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_ J >   superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bugF >   in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference. > H You did not get my point.  OS X does not relay on security by obscurity 5 either.  Thus it is also FUD to claim that OS X does.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:02:05 +0200 + From: Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!= Message-ID: <4459d104$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    GreyCloud wrote: > Richard wrote:H >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years& >> and have never been hit by a virus. >  > I > That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up  3 > ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line.   D Many modems include a router with NAT functionality, i.e., they can H translate IP addresses from the Internet to addresses starting with 10. G   It is my experience that that is enough to protect the machine until  I it is fully updated and AV software is installed.  If Richard is careful  G with which sites he visits and which settings he enable in IE, then he  . might be capable of doing without AV software.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:04:24 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!- Message-ID: <RXm6g.4$7s.2623@news.uswest.net>        8 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message7 news:4459cd57$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...  > Bob Koehler wrote:I > > In article <445852b9$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten % Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  > >  > >>Michael D. Ober wrote: > >>E > >>>If the MacIntosh becomes more common, it's security by obscurity  security > >>>model will fail.  > >>F > >>The same thing could be said about VMS.  OS X is based on the MACHI > >>kernel, where most of the processing takes place in processes that do J > >>not have access to more than they need.  VMS is not superior by designK > >>to OS X when it comes to security.  VMS might be better coded and might L > >>have better coding standards, but it is naive to think that there are noA > >>security bugs hidden in the millions of lines of code of VMS.  > >  > > G > >   VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_ L > >   superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bugH > >   in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference. > > I > You did not get my point.  OS X does not relay on security by obscurity 7 > either.  Thus it is also FUD to claim that OS X does.  >   J When an OS has as little market share as OS X has had in the past, for allL practical purposes it is obscure to virus writers.  They simply won't targetI it because they can't make as much havoc or steal as much with it.  Thus,  Security By Obscurity.   Mike.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 08:02:10 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!3 Message-ID: <uwzENcw2zbYg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <e3b0ib$iqu$1@news.xmission.com>, legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) writes:= > koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org spake the secret code 1 > <hVUwvP2R4m$b@eisner.encompasserve.org> thusly:  > E >>  VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_ J >>  superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bugF >>  in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference. > ; > What's the salient design feature that makes it superior?   C    That's a much bigger question than I'm going to try to answer on B    USENET, and we're already fanning someone to start a flame war.      But I will say:2      1) the design is different (no surpize there))      2) experience has verified my claims   I > Can you point me to some online VMS manuals that talk about its design?   E    I don't think these manuals are online.  You can infer some things D    by reading relavent parts of the VMS doc set (see the FAQ for theJ    latest URL, or start from www.hp.com/go/vms tofind the online doc set).   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 08:03:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!3 Message-ID: <c3wdZ2vMAt29@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <4459cd57$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:   J > You did not get my point.  OS X does not relay on security by obscurity 7 > either.  Thus it is also FUD to claim that OS X does.       That I agree with.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:10:30 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!- Message-ID: <z1n6g.5$7s.2603@news.uswest.net>      L Richard - given that there are viruii and trojans that actively scan for andL infect vulnerable computers, I would strongly suggest that you pop up to oneH of the AV sites and run their free scanner.  Panda Anti-Virus has one atK www.pandasoftware.com and I'm sure other AV companies have them.  You'll be L surprised at the amount of crap they find.  I've had a fresh build of XP SP1G get infected while downloading SP2 from Microsoft's Update site.  Now I C disconnect from the internet and use my local LAN as the source for 	 rebuilds.   
 Mike Ober.  > "Richard" <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote in message& news:e3b0lo$iqu$3@news.xmission.com... > 1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 4 > GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code8 > <8aqdnYRS96J7fMXZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly: >  > >Richard wrote: 4 > >> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup] > >>7 > >> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code ; > >> <24idnWy74YxsbMrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  > >> > >>H > >>>I still don't run any [Mac] AV software and haven't been hit in two years. > >> > >>J > >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years( > >> and have never been hit by a virus. > > " > >That one I don't believe. [...] > = > Making you believe the facts of my life is not my priority.  > --  G > "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 5 >           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ) >     Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty . >                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org> >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:14:35 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!- Message-ID: <p5n6g.6$7s.2719@news.uswest.net>      F Not likely - my router NATs to 192.168.0.0, which is also a private IPG address range.  There are serious bugs out there that simply blow right : through them (think the SQL Server worm a few years back).  
 Mike Ober.    8 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message7 news:4459d104$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...  > GreyCloud wrote: > > Richard wrote:J > >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years( > >> and have never been hit by a virus. > >  > > J > > That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up5 > > ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line.  > E > Many modems include a router with NAT functionality, i.e., they can I > translate IP addresses from the Internet to addresses starting with 10. H >   It is my experience that that is enough to protect the machine untilJ > it is fully updated and AV software is installed.  If Richard is carefulH > with which sites he visits and which settings he enable in IE, then he0 > might be capable of doing without AV software. >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:04:36 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!. Message-ID: <hQn6g.13$7s.3705@news.uswest.net>      It was the Slammer worm.   Mike.   A "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message ' news:p5n6g.6$7s.2719@news.uswest.net...  >  > H > Not likely - my router NATs to 192.168.0.0, which is also a private IPI > address range.  There are serious bugs out there that simply blow right < > through them (think the SQL Server worm a few years back). >  > Mike Ober. >  > : > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message9 > news:4459d104$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...  > > GreyCloud wrote: > > > Richard wrote:L > > >> I haven't run any AV software on any of my Windows boxes for 13 years* > > >> and have never been hit by a virus. > > >  > > > L > > > That one I don't believe.  As soon as I moved and had to use a dial up7 > > > ISP, I got hit within 5 minutes of being on line.  > > G > > Many modems include a router with NAT functionality, i.e., they can K > > translate IP addresses from the Internet to addresses starting with 10. J > >   It is my experience that that is enough to protect the machine untilL > > it is fully updated and AV software is installed.  If Richard is carefulJ > > with which sites he visits and which settings he enable in IE, then he2 > > might be capable of doing without AV software. > >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:10:50 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!. Message-ID: <8Wn6g.14$7s.3768@news.uswest.net>     J OK - it was late and I was tired, so I don't remember which station or the/ name of the professor.  However, take a look at I http://secunia.com/advisories/19686/ for a Mac virus that doesn't require # the user enter the system password.    Mike.   8 "Anders Eklf" <andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> wrote in message5 news:1hes0xe.1bh4jmxbtohe4N%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se... 9 > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:  >  > > K > > The local news in Denver interviewed a Comp Sci professor either at CSU  orG > > UC Boulder (I don't remember which) and he had been hit by this Mac  virus. > D > In case you missed it, that was one of my main points - *what* MacA > virus? There's no telling. Are you sure it was the same virus ? 5 > OTOH there are not too many strains to choose from.  > D > Viruses have names - for that matter, so have Comp Sci professors.J > Not naming the virus or the source gives any report urban legend status. > < > > "Anders Eklf" <andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> wrote in message8 > > news:1heq3uo.ojmmus1zvzyaN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se... >  > > > H > > > The article doesn't mention a name or designation for the alledgedG > > > virus, lending the article some urban legend status. Or a best, a  re-run@ > > > of the Inqtana or Oompa proof-of-concept worms (February). >  > --  6 > I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines0 > to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:17:29 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!0 Message-ID: <deOdnaJcjfSAtMfZRVn-gw@bresnan.com>   Michael D. Ober wrote: >    > : > "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message9 > news:4459cd57$0$60786$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...  >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>H >>>In article <445852b9$0$67263$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, Karsten > ' > Nyblad <nospam@nospam.nospam> writes:  >  >>>>Michael D. Ober wrote: >>>> >>>>E >>>>>If the MacIntosh becomes more common, it's security by obscurity  > 
 > security >  >>>>>model will fail.  >>>>F >>>>The same thing could be said about VMS.  OS X is based on the MACHI >>>>kernel, where most of the processing takes place in processes that do J >>>>not have access to more than they need.  VMS is not superior by designK >>>>to OS X when it comes to security.  VMS might be better coded and might L >>>>have better coding standards, but it is naive to think that there are noA >>>>security bugs hidden in the millions of lines of code of VMS.  >>>  >>> F >>>  VMS does notrely on security by obscurity.  That's FUD.  VMS _is_K >>>  superior by design than any UNIX based OS.  Sure, there might be a bug G >>>  in there somewhere but it IS the design that makes the difference.  >>>  >>I >>You did not get my point.  OS X does not relay on security by obscurity 7 >>either.  Thus it is also FUD to claim that OS X does.  >> >  > L > When an OS has as little market share as OS X has had in the past, for allN > practical purposes it is obscure to virus writers.  They simply won't targetK > it because they can't make as much havoc or steal as much with it.  Thus,  > Security By Obscurity. >   F But you forget that OS X for all practical purposes is Unix.  So if a G script kiddie can get into one Unix system, then all of the other Unix  I systems may be at risk as well.  The break-ins on Unix is small compared   to the windows break-ins.   B http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,70802-0.html?tw=rss.technology  ! "Everyone Wants to 'Own' Your PC"   I This is what is happening on the Windows side of the fence.  Not true on   the Unix side of the fence.        --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:19:57 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!0 Message-ID: <deOdnd1cjfQttMfZRVn-gw@bresnan.com>   Alan Greig wrote:    >  >  > GreyCloud wrote: > I >> Guffaw!!! Believing in this specious claims is hilarious.  Pray tell,  J >> why do AV companies profit so well then?  And why do the courts arrest E >> a few that control over a hundred thousand PCs and make them spam  @ >> bots? Most users don't even know that their PC is a spam-bot. >  > H > My favorite Windows hole was when after installing XP Service Pack 2, J > Windows decided to share most of my C drive writable to the Internet. A K > bug in network mask handling caused Windows to interpret certain ISPs as  H >  on the local LAN. In my case I discovered that if I used a GPRS cell G > connection via a particular ISP, Windows firewall decided the entire  K > Internet was my local LAN and folders I had shared on the local LAN were   > available worldwide! > ====( > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886185
 > SYMPTOMSK > After you set up Windows Firewall in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2  K > (SP2), you may discover that anyone on the Internet can access resources  G > on your computer when you use a dial-up connection to connect to the  I > Internet. For example, after creating an exception in Windows Firewall  H > for File and Printer Sharing, you may discover that anyone can access  > shared files and printers. > K > Note Windows Firewall automatically selects the My network (subnet) only  I > scope option when you create an exception for File and Printer Sharing. $ > Back to the top    Back to the top > CAUSE K > Because of the way that some dialing software configures routing tables,  G > Windows Firewall in Windows XP SP2 can sometimes interpret the whole  E > Internet to be a local subnet. This can let anyone on the Internet  H > access a Windows Firewall exception if the exception is configured to 0 > use the My network (subnet) only scope option. > ==== > $ > Critical Update 886185 fixed this. >  >   4 That's got to be the worst I've seen yet.  <shudder>  B http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,70802-0.html?tw=rss.technology  ! "Everyone Wants to 'Own' Your PC"   I This seems to pretty much sum it up with windows in general.  A reason I   do NOT own windows anymore.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 17:10:11 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <4buqrjF13bug0U1@individual.net>  . In article <8Wn6g.14$7s.3768@news.uswest.net>,9 	"Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes:  >   L > OK - it was late and I was tired, so I don't remember which station or the1 > name of the professor.  However, take a look at K > http://secunia.com/advisories/19686/ for a Mac virus that doesn't require % > the user enter the system password.  >   L First question:  Who is Tom Ferris and why should I give an credence to what he says?N Second question: How exactly does this do anything potentially harmful withoutM having root access?  DOS is easy.  I can DOS your MAC (or VMS system for that M matter) without ever compromising it.  But this says nothing about what these M "errors" actually do.  I doubt that any of the programs involved run with any J elevated priviledge levels.  And if they do, then that is the problem, not the flaws in the code.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 03:53:06 -0700 ) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> > Subject: Re: Miltu-core CPUs, threads vs AST driven approachesC Message-ID: <1146739986.117996.238210@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF,   E I agree with Bill Todd's comments. A proper AST design never does any > operation involving a WAIT of any form (see my presentation atG http://www.rlgsc.com/decus/usf95/ad029.pdf , slide 13). If an operation B is required (e.g., IO, LOCK, TIMER) the process should be coded toG relinquish control and get an AST back when the operation in completed. E The beauty of AST based applications is that the implicit lock (which C is really access to the process stack) is limited to one at a time.   D This works for 99.999% of transaction and realtime systems, as it isE highly efficient. Within the PROCESS, it is not pre-emptive (a common F mistake is to forget that ASTs are a WITHIN PROCESS construct, they do* not affect interrupts or other processes).  F Multi-threading is helpful when things are not serializeable. However,E it is a more complex model (e.g., requiring locks and semaphores). Is ? it appropriate for some applications, yes. However, I encourage D designers to use the simplest appropriate model, it is far easier to
 implement.  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com4 (Presenter of AST related sessions at many symposia)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 05:39:29 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk' Subject: Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card C Message-ID: <1146746369.404959.184010@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D There is somebody out there (I don't remember whom) that will supplyG IDE disks like those used in laptops with a caddy around them that also D contains a SCSI to IDE convertor.  When you plug said disk into yourE SCSI bus, they appear like traditional DEC RZ devices but they're IDE  under the hood.   8 Not used one so I'm not sure if they're any good or not.   Steve    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 07:48:10 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>' Subject: Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card B Message-ID: <1146754090.069342.68740@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G These are not DEC specific, but should work with later versions of VMS;  they have several variants:   w http://www.acard.com.tw/english/fb01-product.jsp?idno_no=24&prod_no=ARS-2000HU&type1_title=SCSIDE%20Bridge&type1_idno=2   E I have a couple of the older Acard SCSIIDE bridges that plug directly F onto the back of IDE drives and they work fine with the UltraSCSI wideF controllers on my PWS using a Western Digital and a Seagate IDE drive.: One error reported on system startup, then they just work.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:56:40 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: Re: OpenVMS Management Station (3.2-d) ) Message-ID: <op.s8040qpgzgicya@hyrrokkin>   1 On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:21:31 -0700, Bob Koehler   0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  F > In article <1146670561.769395.42560@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  ) > "Eddie" <eddie.camaroto@va.gov> writes: G >> Hello,  When I look at a printer via the station I can see a certain J >> queue has x jobs in it.  I clear out 1/2 the jobs in that queue and theJ >> station shows me they are all cleared out but if I do a show queue fromH >> VMS they are still there.  The station entry for this queue no longerG >> shows any jobs but now shows me in one of the tabs how many jobs are C >> there.  This happens to any type of queue I try to eliminate the  >> entries.  >>) >> Has anyone run into this odd behavior?  > G >    In real life the idea of using a Windows based tool to gain access B >    to privileged functions on a VMS system never seemed potable.  
 palatable?  I You could give your VMS nodes a nonroutable IP alias and have a Windows    box thatH likewise had only IP on that network , and if that box needed internet   access,  NAT in the router. > I >    In this case I'd trust what VMS says over what that silly tool says.  > G >    OBTW, you might want to mention the name of the tool in your first 0 >    paragraph, I almost missed it in the title. >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:34:23 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com: Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasingQ Message-ID: <OF18FC1E23.F4113122-ON85257164.0044BE62-85257164.004510FF@metso.com>   H Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote on 05/03/2006 05:14:36 PM:  F > In article <44590CA0.8090407@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> writes:  > I > >    And yet such code continues to be written and posted.  Does anyone K > >    know of a really good DCL code-checker utility (yeah, other than the & > >    real thing itself...)?  Thanks. > I > Charlie Hammond publishes successive releases of one from time to time.  > The name might be "DCLCHECK". I This might just have found its way onto the latest freeware distribution,  or yours for the asking at  H     Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAC         OpenVMS  mailto:hammond@peek.ssr.hp.com ("Plain Text" only) .         Exchange mailto:Charles.Hammond@HP.com; But it will not deal with style issues, only syntax issues.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 06:32:24 -0700 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>: Subject: Re: Q about set mess text initial-letter upcasingB Message-ID: <1146749544.249411.71920@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  : ? > Well, checking $STATUS would depend on the value "%X08D78053" ? > never changing, but actually the result is coming back from a = > PIPEd command.  Also, a Severity of  "-I-" or "3" might not  > be "[N/n]o strings matched".  C If you can hold your breath for VMS V8.3 a lot of the PIPE + SEARCH B questions will be elegantly resolved by SEARCH/STAT setting up DCL symbols for:       SEARCH$CHARACTERS_SEARCHED   SEARCH$FILES_SEARCHED    SEARCH$LINES_PRINTED   SEARCH$RECORDS_MATCHED   SEARCH$RECORDS_SEARCHED    Hein.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2006 02:46:22 -0700 * From: "datagrep" <datagrep.grep@gmail.com> Subject: software servicesC Message-ID: <1146735982.157331.168110@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F >From solution design and offshore software development to outsourcingC application support and improvement, Datagrep's offers a compelling C alternative to minimize software development costs, and improve the D quality of your software solutions and compress software development; time. 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 Jeff Coffield  Digital Synergy, Inc.  (949) 650-0526   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:51:26 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: Re: Web front-end for student registration ) Message-ID: <op.s804r006zgicya@hyrrokkin>   A On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:02:57 -0700, <etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   < > I think I'd be looking at the kind of thing that Generix (A > http://www.generix.ltd.uk ) can do.  I know that they do custom ? > "wrappes" for character-cell applicaitons so that they can be  > webbified. > E > If you're talking to the boss, Leonard, by all means say that Steve # > from HPUG Board put you in touch.  >  > Steve  >   @ I think Jean-Franois Pironne has done what you are looking for' http://vmspython.dyndns.org/webkitplus/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.247 ************************