1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 07 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 252       Contents:8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix# Re: DHCP client - Help configuring. P Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC  [WAS  Re: OT: IntP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC  [WAS Re:  OT: IntP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re:  OT: InteP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re: OT: Intel2 Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw!+ Re: IMCB$V_PARENT_PROT What is it good for? ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! $ Re: My employer needs VMS programmer Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card OT: Car security system  What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ?" Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ?" Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? Re: X windows vulnerability  [OT] Humour   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:02:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix , Message-ID: <445D00B7.E4302DE8@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:G > If a file ends in .DIR;1 then it means (implied or otherwise) that it B > will be looked for by an appropriate directory lookup operation.   The wording should instead be:  F If a file ends in .DIR it does not imply that it is a directory file. ? If you are trying to access a directory, then VMS will seek the % directory name with file type ".DIR".   G However, if that file does not have the "directory" attribute, then the  directory operation will fail.   create /dir [.cake]  create [.cake]chocolate.txt 	 miumm !!!  <ctrl-z>   set file cake.dir /nodirectory  @ dir [.cake]  results in an error because cake.dir is not a valid directory file.   G The "classic" MACoS file system was truly hiearchical and there were no G real directory "files" that you could play with.  They were a node in a G database. This makes for an extremely fast file system when looking for H files. But it also means that corruption in that oen database file meansF your disk is lost and you need big tools to recover as much as you canD from the disk. In VMS, it is easier to recover from errors since theC file system is spread amongst many files. And having separate files G probably also makes directory ownership/ACLs etc easier to manage since G used don't need to update some root directory database when they create F their own files in their own directory. (but they still need to updateE indexf.sys, so perhaps there is not much of an advantage in the end).       C VMS doesn't have that level of sophistication and getting a list of A directories involves a DIR *.DIR (and that will erroneously catch G non-directory files that happen to have .DIR file type.  You can easily G test this with FILEVIEW in decwidnows that displays any file in .DIR as  a directory.  G However, at the DCL level, you can type, edit, print etc any file, even H if it ends in .DIR (as long as it doesn't have the directory attribute).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:08:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: DHCP client - Help configuring.+ Message-ID: <445D1E56.717BFBE@teksavvy.com>    shofu_au@yahoo.com.au wrote:G > >From TCPIP show interface I am getting an IP address from my router. H > My draytek  router also has the ds10 listed in its DHCP IP Assigned IP > Addresses. > = > I then tried to ping an address on the Internet and I got a F > system-f-unreachable error.  I then tried tcpip show route and got a > TCPIP-ROUTERROR.  ! What does TCPIP SHOW ROUTE give ?   H Assuming your VMS node was given 10.0.0.5 in a 10.0.*.* subnet (16 bits)! and that your router is 10.0.0.1:    You should have an  G AN  0.0.0.0  with 10.0.0.1 as gateway     (this is the default route to  anything outside the subnet)B AN 10.0.0.0/16  with 10.0.0.5 as gateway  (for anything inside the4 10.0.*.* subnet, use this nodes's 10.0.0.5 interface? AH 10.0.0.5  with 10.0.0.5 as gateway     (to loop to yourself) ? AH 127.0.0.1 with 127.0.0.1 as gateway    (to loop to yourself)      (AN = network AH = host)  F It also depends on whether you configured that node with ROUTED, GATEDH or simple static routes and whether the DHCP client is able to interpret) the default route supplied by the router.   H Many people have had issues with the DHCP client. It seems to be a hack.+  VMS wasn't designed to act as DHCP client.   H I strongly suggest you get the TCPIP Services management manual from the vms web site 	http://www.hp.com/go/vms/doc   F And look at the DHCP client section. There are logicals you can set toD increase logging levels and it will tell you where the log files are4 located so you can better diagnose what is going on.    F In the end, it would be simpler to go with static IPs on your LAN side; and just get your router to handle the IPs to the internet.    > B > Yes I have DECnet installed and configured, but no way to test.   
 SET HOST 0
 SET HOST node C DIR node"user password"::     => gives a directory of the sys$login  directory of "user".  I > net gives the DECnet information correctly.  However the TCPIP setup is < > wrong.  TCP/IP host/node not yet available Address 0.0.0.0  " @sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  " will let you use commands such as ( 	ifconfig -a  to display your interfaces  G (ifconfog displays life information from the running system. TCPIP SHOW C INTERFACE also does, but it also can sho configuratiohn stuff which  isn't live).  H (the help for those utiolities is hidden in the TCPIP utlity even though! those commands are used from DCL.  TCPIP> HELP     B > Now a MAC and a PC connected to the same router can get the DHCPE > information correctly.   So I assume I am not configuring something  > correctly on OpenVMS / TCPIP.   G It seems the DHCP client is very picky. And you may have to create some E configuration file that tellls VMS which DHCP fields to deal. Its has ; been a while since I looked at the DHCP client doc. But the * documentation will be a great help to you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:51:33 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC  [WAS  Re: OT: Int G Message-ID: <J5SdndrkYcOjh8DZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Michael Kraemer wrote: > Bill Todd schrieb:I >> to promote their barely break-even PC business (note:  not even their  J >> PC server business) that's increasingly threatened by Asian cut-throat I >> competition on the one hand while it continues to fight ineffectively   >> against Dell on the other.  >> > . > one might be inclined to ask: why complain ?  G I'm surprised you need to ask.  The reason for complaint is hardly any  A secret:  HP is willing to throw gobs of cash (both marketing and  D development) down multiple relatively unprofitable rat-holes, while A starving one of its most profitable products (VMS) into oblivion.   ( > According to common belief in this NG,H > VMS is highly profitable (be it true or not), whereas HP/wintel isn't.F > So it is good business logic to advertise the less successful items.  G No:  throwing money at a product line which has resisted many years of  C intense efforts to make it succeed while starving a line which has  H managed to persist in profitability despite over a decade of neglect is I utterly incompetent business logic.  "All show and no go" is not just an   automotive concept, it seems.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:38:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC  [WAS Re:  OT: Int , Message-ID: <445CFB43.E312B83C@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: L > a mistake. Since then, I can see this is not much different than somethingH > done by Nike; design the product in the west and build it in the east.  C Not quite. Those PCs are now Lenovo branded.  YOU may remember that D "Thinkpad" was a brand developped by IBM, but the next generation ofJ Windows weenies won't know this and will only know about Lenovo Thinkpads.  F Now, IBM is a shareholder of Lenovo, so it may get revenus out of thatB investment. But it won't get brand recognition. And watch out whenG Lenovo eventually is allowed to build servers. It is fair to assume IBM D and Lenovo has a "no compete" clause right now, but this is probably% going to expire in a number of years.     E Nike may have outsourced its manufacturing to a variety of countries, # but they all retain the Nike brand.   F > So I would have to agree. Spending SEVERAL HUNDREDS MILLIONS DOLLARS2 > marketing PCs is almost surely a waste of money.  F Assuming that HP computers are well liked by customers, then marketingH HP computers just in time to get students to ask their parents for an HPG computer will get students to get an HP computer and like HP computers, G so when they graduate and get hired, they will have a positive attitude  towards HP computers.     G Very often, good impressions of a product/company when at school really ' translates into brand loyalty later on.     G Many here would agree that it had been a big mistake for DEC to abandon F schools because schools are a very important part of getting people to/ like your products and recommend them later on.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:42:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re:  OT: Inte , Message-ID: <445CFC32.EEF5A20F@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:F > If it's less successful due to slow sales, that's one thing. But theF > claim is that the margins are razor thin which would suggest bailingB > out of the PC biz altogether (or somehow improving the margins)!  F If margins are razor thin, then one way to improve the situation is to, increase volume. And that means advertising.    G I am surprised to see people complain about HP marketing. If at all, we G should be applauding this and asking HP to do the same with VMS instead ' of saying it is a mistake to advertise.   G Look, Wintel and Ink and HP's main businesses from a Wall Street casino F point of view because those are the most visible portions of HP. It is3 perfectly normal and desirable for HP to advertise.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:50:33 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re: OT: Intel H Message-ID: <8660a3a10605061450g5a7586ctde07873e197819fb@mail.gmail.com>  4 On 5/6/06, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> wrote: > Bill Todd schrieb:L > > to promote their barely break-even PC business (note:  not even their P= C G > > server business) that's increasingly threatened by Asian cut-throat I > > competition on the one hand while it continues to fight ineffectively  > > against Dell on the other. > >  > . > one might be inclined to ask: why complain ?( > According to common belief in this NG,H > VMS is highly profitable (be it true or not), whereas HP/wintel isn't.F > So it is good business logic to advertise the less successful items. >  > D Would not the natural extension of your line of thinking be to spend= the most advertising dollars on your most unprofitable items?    WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:52:29 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: Homeland security finds unix/linux/apple flaw! 1 Message-ID: <e3jjqt$1kl$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   D You mean there is an organization out there proactively seeking out,J identifying, and removing security vulnerabilities in there software? ThenG sharing that knowledge with the user comunity at large? How refreshing!   J So you can just go on the web and find the complete details of exactly howI your system is exposed and what patches are needed to fix it? No NDAs? No K huddled rooms and secret handshakes? Is this not madness? Or is this simply J a vibrant, thriving and forward-looking operating system? (Albeit severely flawed architecturally :-)   Regards Richard Maher     & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message< news:1146676613.801733.54980@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com..., > no mention of OpenVMS ... I wonder why? :) > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31417  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:12:27 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: IMCB$V_PARENT_PROT What is it good for?1 Message-ID: <e3jhfq$rp4$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,    Hoff wrote:-H >    I am not in a position to (publicly) provide what is effectively anD > introductory class in cracking system security, as applied to thisI > situation or otherwise.  Whether you believe I am bluffing here or not, 8 > I'm simply not going to (publicly) show my cards here.  H Ah, but you have to at least show your Openers. "Them's the rules!". YouF opened with nothin' and it's gone down hill ever since, and now you'reF trying to buy your way out of the game. I see your FUD and raise you 2 Anecdotals.   D Believe me, this issues got legs! And I *will* get an answer to thisL question from you or someone else. Offline and now would be fine, but onlineK and months down the track, makes no difference to me. You might not like me  as much then though :-)   J >    An image that is installed with privileges, or built and installed asG > a user-written system service, is an obvious potential security risk, A > and a construct that should be carefully considered both by the % > programmers and designers involved,   E Yeah, yeah, "Don't try this at home", "There be Dragons" yadda, yadda    > and by the end-users.   J Oooh! Now you're gettin' nasty. You Digital people must go to FUD classes.H "Come on G.I. you don't want to fight this war. What's happening to your7 loved ones while your fighting over here?". Despicable!   H >    For reasons of system security (and for general of ease of creationF > and support), I tend to prefer to use a pseudo device driver -- thisG > approach provides access using an established API, and other security  > features -- over a UWSS.  I I prefer the toilet paper pointing out from the wall. Oh, and I think you ) should never wear white after Labour Day.   ) > It doesn't "unload" like a UWSS, but...   E Ok, loading/unloading. Is this the problem area? Then why is it not a  problem area for *all* UWSSs?   H If a routine is trusted to behave with decorum in inner-mode then surely, it's trusted to be *called* from inner-mode?  C >    With an NDA (or on a somewhat more formal basis than here in a I > newsgroup), I am certainly willing to discuss defenses against cracking  > -- and as mentioned   J Problem with NDAs is that when you tell me squat I can't tell anyone about it :-(  F This is of interest to *ALL* VMS customers. But I too can play the FUDI game: - Surely, your reticence can only be explained by the fact that you L know well that there are many VMS customers out there currently at risk fromK such an attack, and rather than simply rectify the problem with a patch(es) H and move on, your strategy is to stick your head in the sand and rely onF Security Through Obscurity. "If no one knows about it, how can it be a$ problem?". - Interesting philosophy.  G >    As for your example case, you may want to verify the return status  > codes from the various calls.   K I didn't want to get bogged down here in a seperate thread that I had lined J up for later. Namely "Can $setprv fail from inner-mode?" A quick review ofL the statii in the SS manual says "No." (Well, once you've got it working theJ first time, parameters checked etc). *But that is just not the VMS way!!!*J What about upward compatability and a possible new status? What about someL bizarre alignement of the stars (and memory) that causes a freak failure? IfG privs aren't turned off then this is THE NUMBER ONE schoolboy error for K returning elevated privs to the user app! So if you look at example 2 in: -   L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1018310  J . . . and the version of my UWSS that is linked /PROTECT, and accesses theG SYSUAF directly via RMS, you will see that I trap a failure status from G $setprv. (Whether the Bug_Check should be Fatal or whether it should be G followed by an Exec mode sys$exit, is yet more comment, discussion (and  DOCUMENTATION) -worthy fodder)  C But wait! Remember the mexican-wave from ALL the engineering alumni F assembled here? Don't you remember the chorus of "You must look to theH sources for this stuff" Clearly these men of science have no interest inL being sanctimonious and smugly dismissive when it comes to a genuine cry forD help, so off I went to the sources and while looking up the code forL sys$getuai, I asked myself what VMS Engineering thinks about the possibilityL of an error status from sys$setprv at Exec-Mode. Now I don't know Bliss thatK well, but the answer I came up with is "They couldn't give a Rat's arse!" -  Please advise.  * > What you are doing is simple enough that& > you might not have an exposure here,  C So simple UWSSs are safe? Now we're getting somewhere! Just need my 9 internationally calibrated "Simple-meter" and we're away.    > (and assuming I'm inclined to I > spend part of my weekend on it, and I've a network to establish) a more = > detailed look at the exec code involved might be warranted.   J Don't bust a gut over it. I'm about to head out the door and don't want myL day ruined by guilt :-) But if you do get a chance to look at it in the next( week or so It would be much appreciated!   Cheers Richard Maher  9 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message ( news:zd47g.203$W5.18@news.cpqcorp.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > E > > But regardless of that mountain of evidence, I submit to you that  Steve's K > > talking absolute shite! I'm right and you're all wrong. (Well not quite K > > *all* of you. And I'll discuss that later if I don't get a satisfactory K > > response to this) You're all harking back to the pre-imcb$v_parent_prot  daysK > > during the War, when life was good, the days were longer, the grass was C > > greener, and a dodgy prostate was the last thing on your minds.  > H >    I am not in a position to (publicly) provide what is effectively anD > introductory class in cracking system security, as applied to thisI > situation or otherwise.  Whether you believe I am bluffing here or not, 8 > I'm simply not going to (publicly) show my cards here. > J >    An image that is installed with privileges, or built and installed asG > a user-written system service, is an obvious potential security risk, A > and a construct that should be carefully considered both by the ; > programmers and designers involved, and by the end-users.  > H >    For reasons of system security (and for general of ease of creationF > and support), I tend to prefer to use a pseudo device driver -- thisG > approach provides access using an established API, and other security C > features -- over a UWSS.  It doesn't "unload" like a UWSS, but... H > (Device drivers, too, are an obvious security target.)  And yes, I canB > get into and can call user mode (securely) from within a driver. > C >    With an NDA (or on a somewhat more formal basis than here in a I > newsgroup), I am certainly willing to discuss defenses against cracking F > -- and as mentioned, I have presented several classes on maintainingH > system security.  (Or call up HP and appropriately convince the folks,E > and I'll be shipped back to Australia to present this and another a D > session or to of your choice -- haven't made it over to Perth, but' > Sydney and Melbourne are quite nice.)  > G >    As for your example case, you may want to verify the return status I > codes from the various calls.  What you are doing is simple enough that H > you might not have an exposure here, but (and assuming I'm inclined toI > spend part of my weekend on it, and I've a network to establish) a more = > detailed look at the exec code involved might be warranted.  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 12:29:20 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!% Message-ID: <445c8891$1@mvb.saic.com>    GreyCloud wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> GreyCloud wrote:  >>= >>> So, you've never used OE to receive infected emails then?  >>> Amazing. >> >> >>C >> Not really.  I've never used OE either.  Plenty of other e-mail  3 >> clients available.  Currently using Thunderbird.  >> > F > It's the worst email program I've ever seen (OE).  This is the main J > portal for viruses.  You don't even have to click on reading your email G > once you start OE and still receive some viruses.  I quit using it a  D > long time ago and started using Thunderbird as well on the old PC.  P Same thing here.  I have never used OE at all.  All of my email is delivered to L and read on a VMS system (or, lately, with a Thunderbird client).  For some O reason, this means that no email message I have ever received has ever managed   to execute any kind of code 8-)   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:29:39 -0400 + From: Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> - Subject: Re: My employer needs VMS programmer 8 Message-ID: <o05q5253iia34ceo9if4b06gf0tbbspq52@4ax.com>  - On 2 May 2006 09:06:49 -0700, "Tha Anonymous" ! <6qhnxzz02@sneakemail.com> wrote:   F >About offsite telecommuting.  First of all, I just work here so don'tF >quote me!  For the official answer you'll have to ask the boss.  ManyE >of us work from home, though not every day.  But we have in the past H >had contractors who only worked from home.  I don't think we've had anyE >permanent employees who did.  I know the preference is for people to F >work on site to be available for collaboration, but as we are a smallH >shop my opinion is that pretty much anything can be negotiated.  Mostly+ >we need someone able to get the work done.   D Smells like my kinda opportunity.  I've telecommuted virtually sinceC 9/11/01.  After the building was reopened in January, '02, I worked E three days in, then 2, then 1, then we had a change of management and F they just let me stay home all the time.  I haven't seen the inside ofF an office building for over three years, and there's never ever been a= problem with getting ahold of me either on the phone, through F SameTime, or some other teleconferencing setup, that hasn't worked for@ my manager. The days of the face-to-face sit-down are over. TurnF conference room real-estate back into office space or storage space or8 whatever.  You wanna see someone's pretty face?  Stick a> hundred-dollar web-cam on top of their monitor and fire it up.E Virtual whiteboards, team rooms, that's the way to go these days.  Of E course, put a pin through the network cable feeding your company, and B all communication's down, and that's going to probably be the next: major vulnerability buck-up in companies over the next fewC years--making sure their telecomm has backup--but what with the way F things are now, an occasional office visit is not out of the question, and also not even necessary.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:39:45 -0400 + From: Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> ' Subject: Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card 8 Message-ID: <vl5q52hrdpgkb1t589961u7v427hkm9q8v@4ax.com>  / On 6 May 2006 06:33:52 +0100, "Dave Weatherall" ! <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote:   G >On Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:57 UTC, Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net>  >wrote:   I >> right, the Nemonix cards couldn't go full bore 100mb, they were a damn D >> sight better than the onboard 10mb devices; well worth the money. > F >Thanks for that Steve. I'll pass the information on to my colleague.   D The limiting factor is, of course, bus speed.  The interesting thingB is, you say they're available for 4100-series machines?  I thought only 7000's could use them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 17:55:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card , Message-ID: <445D1B2B.4F0618CB@teksavvy.com>   Steve Matzura wrote:F > The limiting factor is, of course, bus speed.  The interesting thingD > is, you say they're available for 4100-series machines?  I thought > only 7000's could use them.   F For the 4000 series, I was told that the fast ethernet card hooks intoN the memory bus instead of Qbus and thus can access data at much faster speeds.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:53:34 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: Nemonix Fast Ethernet Card 9 Message-ID: <b76dnUGceLH7z8DZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steve Matzura wrote:1 > On 6 May 2006 06:33:52 +0100, "Dave Weatherall" # > <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote:  > I >> On Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:57 UTC, Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> 	 >> wrote:  > J >>> right, the Nemonix cards couldn't go full bore 100mb, they were a damnE >>> sight better than the onboard 10mb devices; well worth the money. H >> Thanks for that Steve. I'll pass the information on to my colleague.  > F > The limiting factor is, of course, bus speed.  The interesting thingD > is, you say they're available for 4100-series machines?  I thought > only 7000's could use them.  >   H They have several products.  They've got a CPU option for MicroVAX 3100 E systems that moves slower systems up to the speed of the latest, the  H models 96 and 98.  Also an option that provides some enhanced SCSI, not G sure which version, fast-wide or such.  Also the faster Ethernet port.  ! All of this is on their web site.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 21:10:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: OT: Car security system, Message-ID: <445D48D2.1B224CFF@teksavvy.com>  + for you guys with big expensive fancy cars:   a http://news.com.com/Gone+in+60+seconds--the+high-tech+version/2100-7349_3-6069287.html?tag=st.num   G Modern cars use only 40 bit encryption codes that are easily cracked by  people with laptops.  C And now, some key systems have RFID chips in/with the key. So while D you're in line at Starbucks to get your expensive lath, someone canE remotely trigger the keys in your pants to emit their code and record * their answer without you feeling anything.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 16:04:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? , Message-ID: <445D012B.6B74D794@teksavvy.com>  D Just did an ANA/DISK/REPAIR on one disk that had a purposefully lost file.   C Noticed plenty of system files that had been marked for delete. And F interestingly the freed space only became available at the very end of the process.  9 Is there a document somewhere that describes exactly what ? ANA/DISK/REPAIR does ? What does it check ? what can it repair?    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2006 17:36:52 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com + Subject: Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? C Message-ID: <1146962212.768880.161670@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   : Probably the best book is "OpenVMS File System Internals".G Essentially, ANAL/DISK/REPAIR scans a disk for odd things - files which F have been deleted, but not completely freed, file headers which do notC look correct, and other cruft in the file system that may have been 7 left behind due to a system crash or improper dismount.   F Once the disk looks clean, then ANAL/DISK/REPAIR checks to insure that@ all the allocated blocks are properly marked allocated (and onlyG once!), and all the free blocks are marked free.  You really don't want G to do these two operations unless you're pretty sure of the rest of the  integrity of the volume.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 01:14:05 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> + Subject: Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? D Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-83050B.21140406052006@news.verizon.net>  , In article <445D012B.6B74D794@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   F > Just did an ANA/DISK/REPAIR on one disk that had a purposefully lost > file.  > E > Noticed plenty of system files that had been marked for delete. And H > interestingly the freed space only became available at the very end of > the process. > ; > Is there a document somewhere that describes exactly what A > ANA/DISK/REPAIR does ? What does it check ? what can it repair?   @ Without actually knowing exactly what ANA/DISK/REPAIR does, and ? considering I have not really programmed OpenVMS since '95, it  # should be doing the following tasks   C scan the header file (index.sys if my memory is working at all) in  C the and build a list of all the storage allocated by each file and  A if 2 files claim to have the same storage allocated, to yell and   scream.   B While scanning the header file for each directory found check the A FID of every entry and verify that it has an active entry in the  C header file.  If the header entry is deleted or belongs to another  ! file, remove the directory entry.   > Also make sure that every active header entry has a directory = entry.  If no directory entry, then create a lost file entry.   C While scanning the header file and the directory entries, validate  A as much of the information to make sure it is clean and does not  C contain outrageous entries.  This would include ACLs, bogus extent  : map entries (like ones that are out of bounds), values in B structures that are undefined by current OpenVMS implementations,  etc...  A At least on ODS2 (remember I said I stopped playing with OpenVMS  ? in '95) when verifying that a directory entry had a valid file  A header entry, it would also verify that the Directory FID in the  C file header pointed back to the directory that was pointing to the  B file header, and correct it if it was wrong.  This generated some < interesting situations if SET FILE/ENTRY was used, creating ; multiple directory entries that pointed to the same file.   > Generally the last directory entry found was the one that the # Directory FID ended up pointing to.   A That is the general drift of what ANA/DISK/REPAIR would be doing.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2006 21:40:41 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> $ Subject: Re: X windows vulnerabilityC Message-ID: <1146976841.571442.122550@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: # > "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: H > > Note that it states that versions X11R6.8.2 and prior are apparentlyJ > > not vulnerable.  The X Windows used in VMS's Motif V1.5 is based on an= > > earlier version (X11R6.6) according to the Release Notes.  > G > If VMS engineering were still fully staffed, then they woudl have had E > the resources to post a notice announcing to their customers that a G > particular vulnerability does not (or does) affect the VMS version of  > the software.  > I > This is not the first time that public vulnerabilities of software such H > as X, motif, Bind etc have had no sign of life from VMS engineering to0 > confirm that the VMS version was NOT affected. > H > It would be nice PR for HP to make public the fact that VMS version ofJ > such software was not vulnerable whenever such warnings are made public.  A True, but the fact that VMS is secure because it's 3 dot releases ? behind the current verions might not be the best PR either.  :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 14:35:58 +1000 $ From: Phaeton <phaeton@iinet.net.au> Subject: [OT] HumourI Message-ID: <445d792b$0$3265$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>   ' 	Which UNIX system admin are YOU :-)  ?   7 	http://www.vaiism.com/bigadmin/sysadmin_fieldguide.txt   ?                                                 Cheers,   Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- F   CSABA I. HARANGOZO  |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|  phaeton at iinet dot net dot auE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  H   Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops brightH    ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little,    sign of breaking down in the near future.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.252 ************************