1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 08 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 254       Contents:8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix# Re: DHCP client - Help configuring. ) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses! - Re: OT: Intels quickens cadence for new 8086s  Surplus  KGPSA-C" Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ?" Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? Re: X windows vulnerability   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2006 11:53:57 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix C Message-ID: <1147028037.773829.231210@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Wilm Boerhout wrote:  > AEF wrote on 7-5-2006 19:22... >  > [snip] > 9 > $SYSTEM:*.EXE .BAR and see what happens to your system.  > > K > > Let's try it in other words: If you have a file whose type is .EXE, you H > > don't have to specify the file type when you tell VMS to execute theJ > > executable. THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL, OKAY? The fact that you can call anK > > executable FOO.BAR and still run it doesn't change that. OKAY? The fact I > > that you can rename a non-executable file to .EXE doesn't change that  > > either. OKAY?  > F > Well, sort of. .EXE is not special to the file system or to "the OS"H > (whatever that may be), but only to the RUN command, in that RUN looks7 > for/assumes .EXE when no explicit extension is given.  > H > That will make lots of things go bad when you rename *.EXE to *.BAR in& > system directories. So, OK, sort of. >  > /Wilm   ? I'll take it! RUN is part of the operating system (and a rather D important one at that!) and early in the boot you don't have the DCL: RUN but executables must be .EXE. OK, I'll take "sort of"!  A Also, note that .DIR;1 is special to the OS in that the operating G system creates directories *ONLY* with file type DIR and version number F 1 and expects them to stay that way. Yes, you can play games and breakD the scheme, but the OS works best when directory files end in .DIR;1D and have their directory bit set and don't get corrupted. While thatE does not guarantee that every file ending with .DIR;1 is a directory, F it still makes .DIR;1 special, "to my mind". It is still a very useful concept.  E One more example: There is a traffic light just outside my apartment. B For cars exiting my apartment complex at this light, sometimes theG rightmost light has both its RED SOLID CIRCLE and GREEN ARROW lit. This E means you can make a protected right turn, but you cannot go straight G or left. This happens only when the light is in the phase in which cars G can enter the complex via a left turn. Now, is anyone going to honestly G tell me that because of this RED with GREEN ARROW phase that RED is not ( special when it comes to traffic lights?  D I believe we are splitting hairs here. The only thing I object to isC the complete denunciation of a useful quality just because there is G some RARE exception. Almost any device can break or be broken, but that C doesn't eliminate its usefulness. Hell, you can unplug the computer 4 altogether! Try accessing your directories then! :-)  C There's special, and I guess there's "absolutely special". When you C have a RARE execption it turns "absolutely special" into "special".    AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2006 11:57:53 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix C Message-ID: <1147028273.873252.293100@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: m > In article <445e3b83$0$6545$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>, Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> writes: ! > >AEF wrote on 7-5-2006 19:22...  > > 	 > >[snip]  > > : > >$SYSTEM:*.EXE .BAR and see what happens to your system. > >>L > >> Let's try it in other words: If you have a file whose type is .EXE, youI > >> don't have to specify the file type when you tell VMS to execute the K > >> executable. THAT MAKES IT SPECIAL, OKAY? The fact that you can call an L > >> executable FOO.BAR and still run it doesn't change that. OKAY? The factJ > >> that you can rename a non-executable file to .EXE doesn't change that > >> either. OKAY? > > G > >Well, sort of. .EXE is not special to the file system or to "the OS" I > >(whatever that may be), but only to the RUN command, in that RUN looks 8 > >for/assumes .EXE when no explicit extension is given. > > I > >That will make lots of things go bad when you rename *.EXE to *.BAR in ' > >system directories. So, OK, sort of.  > > M > However if you rename basic OS files on pretty much any OS you are going to P > have exactly the same effect. That includes Unix which rather proves the point7 > that that is not what this discussion has been about.   G Fine. Can you now give me an example where the implicit file types meet  your strict criterion?   thanks   >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >  >  > >/Wilm   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:55:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix , Message-ID: <445E50C7.5F1872D3@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:> > And that's part of what makes .EXE special. Try this: renameB > SYSBOOT.EXE to have some other file type and reboot. Good luck.     D That is not a good argument. Try renaming "System" to "Chocolate" orG "Finder" to "Vanilla" on a classic MAC and try to reboot. When booting, H the boot block is hardcoded to seek a specific file name. In the case ofE the mac, there is the concept of a "blessed" folder that contains the G active "System" file and this is where the boot code will load it from. ! But it still looks for that file.   H In the case of VMS, if you could change the boot code, you could have it? seek SYSBOOT.CHOCOLATE if you wanted. But they coded it to seek ? SSYBOOT.EXE, just like the MAC had been coded to seek "System".     F Having code seek specific file names is very different than having theK OS invoke applications to handle a file based solely on its file extension.   D (note that DECwidnows file manager does this: base handling of files based on file extension).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:45:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: DHCP client - Help configuring., Message-ID: <445E4E68.76063968@teksavvy.com>   shofu_au@yahoo.com.au wrote: > $ TCPIP SHOW name  >  > BIND Resolver Parameters( >   Servers:    220.233.0.4, 220.233.0.3  I > Looks like there is an issue with the domain.  Mismatch - why???  I see I > there are some other thread on this.  But behind my owner ADSL firewall " > / NAT router what is the domain?  E You need to create a local network inside your LAN. Come up with your F own domain name. And you can load each machine,s HOST file  (TCPIP SETC HOST command) with the IP/name translation of your local machines.    H The good news is that the DHCP does seem to have set the servers for theE bind resolver.  The bad news is that you would have to set the domain H name in yoru NAT router so that it provides it with the DHCP response so( that your VMS host can configure itself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 21:35:25 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!; Message-ID: <2eb3c$445e4bfe$50db5015$18040@news.hispeed.ch>    Richard wrote:1 > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]  > 9 > Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> spake the secret code - > <h9SdnUwQSsZVWcfZRVn-gQ@libcom.com> thusly:  >  > 8 >>If I may ask, what OS, version, and what applications? >    To compare notes:    > ( > 1993-1995: Windows for Workgroups 3.11 > 1995-1998: Windows 95   E 1995-1997 when I switched to NT 4.0. But I was accessing the outside  8 world via CompuServe, and rarely touched the web itself.   > 1998-2000: Windows 98 . > 2000-2004?: Windows 2000 (until XP came out) > 2004+: Windows XP   G I just stayed with NT4 until the latter end of 2002 when I switched to  E Linux on my Intel boxes. I also used VMS for much of my browsing etc  I from 2000, and gradually moved over to OS X from getting my first Mac in  I 2002. I had a NAT router from 2000, with the recommended filters applied.   # I too never got knowingly infected.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 20:17:36 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 6 Subject: Re: OT: Intels quickens cadence for new 8086s; Message-ID: <40e8d$445e39c1$50db5015$14086@news.hispeed.ch>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:   > H >    I saw this happen myself at the time. In the early 80s many of the G > colleges around here used VMS in their CS courses. However the advent J > of relatively cheap systems from other vendors ( primarily Sun ) quicklyF > eroded this market. DEC refused to compete effectively against theseL > offerings with cheap VAXen (I had DEC reps at the time tell me they didn'tR > care what Sun did, they saw IBM customers as the market they wanted to go after) >   I I saw this happen in the commercial worls too. A good friend of mine was  I in the market for a MicroVAX but unfortunately needed a 17 user license.  B The license model at the time meant that anything above a 16 user C license meant they would only offer him ann unlimited user license.   D That alone put the price sufficently above the competetion that the  competition won.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 13:03:52 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Surplus  KGPSA-C ) Message-ID: <op.s8650qttzgicya@hyrrokkin>   J I have 6 new such 1 Gigabit Fiberchannel host adapters that I don't need   and have posted J them on ebay. I flashed the latest firmware in them as I was planning on   keeping them as H spares, but I have enough. I have verified them in a DS10L with Compaq   Sorageworks H Sanswitch and HSG80 with fabric topology.  I haven't tried if they are   supported in PWS600,J but they do work in XP1000, although you would need at least a DS10L for   WWIDMGR support   W http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9723218131&ssPageName=ADME:L:DS:US:8    Tom    ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2006 12:02:50 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: What does ANA/DISK/REPAIR do ? C Message-ID: <1147028570.771776.300680@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: F > Just did an ANA/DISK/REPAIR on one disk that had a purposefully lost > file.  > E > Noticed plenty of system files that had been marked for delete. And H > interestingly the freed space only became available at the very end of > the process. > ; > Is there a document somewhere that describes exactly what A > ANA/DISK/REPAIR does ? What does it check ? what can it repair?     G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_083.html#stages_adsk   @ This is Appendix D in the HP OpenVMS System Management UtilitiesD Reference Manual. This is the manual that also contains a section on
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 AEF wrote:J >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_083.html#stages_adsk  E many thanks. Exactly what I was looking for. Interestingly though, it @ doesn't seem to mention performaing the "file marked for delete"G operations to recuparate space. (although I suspect that the wording of $ the text probably encompasses this).  H There really should be a /VERBOSE option that would have ANA/DISK output+  informtion on each phase it is performing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:49:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: X windows vulnerability, Message-ID: <445E4F46.14A85B0E@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:I > I thought the vulnerability is to give root access, and that DECwindows   > does not run as System on VMS.  G It does before you've logged in and the decw$server process handles the  workstation's display.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.254 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  D
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