1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 259       Contents:  ANN: GBLSEC_SDA freeware updatedP Re: BIND CERTs and TCP/IP Services (was: Re: Licenses and Support for OpenVMS VAP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: IntelsP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: IntelsP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: Intels5 Jumper settings for Sigma RQD11/SCSI QBUS Controller?  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP POP3 client for VMS? Re: POP3 client for VMS? Re: POP3 client for VMS? Re: POP3 client for VMS? Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 RE: SGI files for chapter 11- Re: TAB character in DCL command-line editing  Re: TCPIP 5.4 anti-spam  Re: TCPIP 5.4 anti-spam  The EDU Program (once again)M Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability) M Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability) M Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability) P Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  vP RE: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  vP Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  vB We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:17:19 -0500 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> ) Subject: ANN: GBLSEC_SDA freeware updated * Message-ID: <4461F5EF.5080509@goatley.com>  B The following package has been updated in my VMS freeware archive:       gblsec_sda.zip  E     Description: SDA extension to display info about a global section =                    including which processes are mapped to it      Version: V1.2 1     Author: Ian Miller <miller@encompasserve.org>      Architecture: AXP,IA64     Size: 181 blocks     Language: C .     URL: http://www.encompasserve.org/~miller/     Released: 10-MAY-2006   & This version includes a few bug fixes. Thanks, Ian!   http://www.process.com/openvms/   , ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/1 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/   ( ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/- http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/    And on the other mirrors soon.   --     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ B PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:21:46 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: BIND CERTs and TCP/IP Services (was: Re: Licenses and Support for OpenVMS VA 0 Message-ID: <KNl8g.314$zZ3.296@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dave Froble wrote:  G > "In the case of the current BIND for VMS on VAX (Bind 8) there are a  K > number of vulnerabilities and HP hasn't issued any statements to confirm  # > or deny that they apply to VMS."    E    Folks with contracts will want to contact the support center with  I these sorts of questions.  (I'm of two minds around the benefits and the  H costs around allowing unrestricted access to ECO kits for the older PVS D releases, too, but that's fodder for a discussion for another time.)  I    I'll ping the TCP/IP team with a question on the CERT status of BIND;  G details of which CERT(s) are potentially involved here would be useful   in the discussion.  D    The last round of CERTs I recall reading specifically involved a F range of BIND releases other than those that are/were integrated into 6 TCP/IP Services on OpenVMS, but that was a while back.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:54:12 -0600  From: Dan Notov <d9nno@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: Intels * Message-ID: <446155d5@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > Dan Notov wrote: >  > ...  > : >> HP has grabbed market share from Dell in the PC market. > D > Please provide a credible source for this 'fact':  I think I read F > recently that Dell's Q1 growth was about the same as that which you G > report for PSG, but the items in the relevant market baskets may not   > have been identical. > K > Of course, Dell continues to make far higher *profits* on its sales than   > HP does in any event.  >  > - billF ...Until they warned the street that they will miss their 1Q earnings # estimates by 3-5 cents per share...    About market share numbers: 5 http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060419/pc_shipments.html?.v=2 G Computer shipments rose at a faster-than-expected 13 percent worldwide  H in the first quarter, and the No. 1 PC maker, Dell Inc., lost ground to 9 rivals, two technology research firms reported Wednesday.  ... D Gartner said Round Rock, Texas-based Dell saw its share of industry E computer shipments decline to 16.5 percent in the first quarter from  H 16.9 percent a year ago. Dell shipped 10.2 percent more PCs than it did F in last year's first quarter -- a growth rate Gartner said was Dell's ( slowest since the third quarter of 2001. ... F IDC put Dell's market share at 18.1 percent, down from 18.6 percent a G year ago. IDC's report said Dell "may have focused on profitability at  9 the expense of volumes, especially in the United States."   G IDC and Gartner both put Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard Co.'s  H growth at about 22 percent. Gartner estimated HP's market share at 14.9 ' percent, and IDC put it at 16.4 percent  ... 5 http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060509/dell_outlook.html?.v=9 G Dell Shares Fall After PC Maker Warns It Will Miss Its Own Targets for   Sales, Profits in 1Q   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:01:01 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: Intels ) Message-ID: <op.s9b87zdrzgicya@hyrrokkin>   C On Tue, 09 May 2006 19:54:12 -0700, Dan Notov <d9nno@hp.com> wrote:    > Bill Todd wrote: >> Dan Notov wrote:  >>  ...  >>; >>> HP has grabbed market share from Dell in the PC market. G >>  Please provide a credible source for this 'fact':  I think I read   H >> recently that Dell's Q1 growth was about the same as that which you  I >> report for PSG, but the items in the relevant market baskets may not    >> have been identical. I >>  Of course, Dell continues to make far higher *profits* on its sales    >> than HP does in any event. 
 >>  - billI > ...Until they warned the street that they will miss their 1Q earnings   % > estimates by 3-5 cents per share...  >  > About market share numbers: 7 > http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060419/pc_shipments.html?.v=2 J > Computer shipments rose at a faster-than-expected 13 percent worldwide  K > in the first quarter, and the No. 1 PC maker, Dell Inc., lost ground to   ; > rivals, two technology research firms reported Wednesday.  > ... G > Gartner said Round Rock, Texas-based Dell saw its share of industry   H > computer shipments decline to 16.5 percent in the first quarter from  K > 16.9 percent a year ago. Dell shipped 10.2 percent more PCs than it did   I > in last year's first quarter -- a growth rate Gartner said was Dell's   * > slowest since the third quarter of 2001. > ... I > IDC put Dell's market share at 18.1 percent, down from 18.6 percent a   J > year ago. IDC's report said Dell "may have focused on profitability at  ; > the expense of volumes, especially in the United States."  > J > IDC and Gartner both put Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard Co.'s  K > growth at about 22 percent. Gartner estimated HP's market share at 14.9   ) > percent, and IDC put it at 16.4 percent  > ... 7 > http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060509/dell_outlook.html?.v=9 J > Dell Shares Fall After PC Maker Warns It Will Miss Its Own Targets for   > Sales, Profits in 1Q  " What are their respective margins?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:03:01 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WASRe: OT: Intels G Message-ID: <CeKdnTsoefcDgf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Dan Notov wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: >> Dan Notov wrote:  >> >> ... >>; >>> HP has grabbed market share from Dell in the PC market.  >>E >> Please provide a credible source for this 'fact':  I think I read  G >> recently that Dell's Q1 growth was about the same as that which you  H >> report for PSG, but the items in the relevant market baskets may not  >> have been identical.  >>G >> Of course, Dell continues to make far higher *profits* on its sales   >> than HP does in any event.  >>	 >> - bill H > ...Until they warned the street that they will miss their 1Q earnings % > estimates by 3-5 cents per share...  >  > About market share numbers: 7 > http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060419/pc_shipments.html?.v=2 I > Computer shipments rose at a faster-than-expected 13 percent worldwide  J > in the first quarter, and the No. 1 PC maker, Dell Inc., lost ground to ; > rivals, two technology research firms reported Wednesday.  > ... F > Gartner said Round Rock, Texas-based Dell saw its share of industry G > computer shipments decline to 16.5 percent in the first quarter from  J > 16.9 percent a year ago. Dell shipped 10.2 percent more PCs than it did H > in last year's first quarter -- a growth rate Gartner said was Dell's * > slowest since the third quarter of 2001. > ... H > IDC put Dell's market share at 18.1 percent, down from 18.6 percent a I > year ago. IDC's report said Dell "may have focused on profitability at  ; > the expense of volumes, especially in the United States."  > I > IDC and Gartner both put Palo Alto, Calif.-based Hewlett-Packard Co.'s  J > growth at about 22 percent. Gartner estimated HP's market share at 14.9 ) > percent, and IDC put it at 16.4 percent   H Interesting, but not necessarily relevant:  your previous post to which F I responded referred to gross revenue, not numbers of PCs shipped, so C revenue numbers (specifically, for PCs vs., e.g., servers) are the   numbers in question here.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 05:55:18 -0700$ From: "Bob Armstrong" <bob@jfcl.com>> Subject: Jumper settings for Sigma RQD11/SCSI QBUS Controller?B Message-ID: <1147265718.883032.69780@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  F   Does anybody have any docs for a Sigma RQD11/SCSI controller??  ThisF is, I really really hope, a QBUS SCSI disk controller that speaks MSCPG and emulates a RQDXn.  I'm especially interested in the jumper settings < so that I can change it to the secondary controller address.  A     BTW, does anybody know if this card can do TMSCP too, or just  disks?   Thanks,  Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:05:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: New VAX Problem+ Message-ID: <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:I > on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restart F > the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the > console is unresponsive.    E When you power-on, you get the >>> prompt ? Any error messages during 5 the default self tests ? or do those not run at all ?   B I would pull out all boards from the q-bus , and if you have scsi,H ensure it is terminated (and eventually disconnect all discs) and see if; you can then power on with the self test workingm, and then I progressively re-insert each Qbus card to see which one causes the fault.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 10:58:24 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4cdvagF14kbdaU1@individual.net>  + In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, 0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:J >> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restartG >> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the  >> console is unresponsive.  > . > When you power-on, you get the >>> prompt ?   G When I power on, I get nothing.  Power light on, fault light flashes (I D think that might mean initial POST) and then the fault light come on& steady.  Console never shows anything.  H >                                              Any error messages during7 > the default self tests ? or do those not run at all ?   7 Nothing comes out on the console.  No response to a CR.    > / > I would pull out all boards from the q-bus ,    I Somehow, I don't think this box is QBUS.  It's 6 feet tall, 2.5 feet wide J and 3 feet deep (approximately) and has a fan that sounds like one of JF's  Air Canada jets taking off.  :-)  E >                                               and if you have scsi, J > ensure it is terminated (and eventually disconnect all discs) and see if5 > you can then power on with the self test workingm,    * Disks are CI, there are no internal disks.  > >                                                     and thenK > progressively re-insert each Qbus card to see which one causes the fault.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 04:16:24 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: New VAX ProblemC Message-ID: <1147259784.370385.202230@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D If the fault light flashes, is that possibly the status for what theF system sees its problem as being?  e.g. a long three shorts and a long
 or something? D The route I'd then take is find someone with the manuals on hardwareG diagnosis on the VAX 7000 series and see if that gives a translation of  what the problem is.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 12:29:37 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4ce4lhF13vmfjU1@individual.net>  C In article <1147259784.370385.202230@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: F > If the fault light flashes, is that possibly the status for what theH > system sees its problem as being?  e.g. a long three shorts and a long > or something?   F I didn't notice any pattern,  Just constant blinking at a steady rate.D I pushed the box out of the machine room and pushed another in.  NowE having a problem getting it to boot.  Doesn't seem to be able to find F the bootfile.  I would have thought because the disks are CI that theyC would look the same regardles of the machine.  Is there some flag I @ probably had set on the other that might not be set on this one?  F > The route I'd then take is find someone with the manuals on hardwareI > diagnosis on the VAX 7000 series and see if that gives a translation of  > what the problem is.  F I am very unlikely to try and tacke repairing one of these.  I learnedD my lesson with the PDP 11/44 power supply problem I had. I will takeC QBUS down to the component level but UNIBUS and above are not where  my skills lie.A "A man has got to know his limitations." - Harry Callahan     :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:10:39 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: New VAX Problem) Message-ID: <op.s9b9n1ttzgicya@hyrrokkin>   > On Tue, 09 May 2006 20:54:33 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com  ! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:    > The next worst was theG > guy that sold me 2 KGPSA-CX's (Windows/PC FC HBA) for $250 each after E > claiming they were the -CY (VMS) version.  I tracked down his phone F > number and filled his answering machine up for weeks but never got a > reply.  ? If you still need them see my post of the 7th "Surplus KGPSA-C" W http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9723218131&ssPageName=ADME:L:DS:US:8    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:42:33 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: New VAX ProblemG Message-ID: <3f119ada0605100742j698492e8wbba4950faf1b64@mail.gmail.com>   6 On 9 May 2006 20:54:33 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote: F > I wish I'd seen Hoff's $1K Integrity systems as I'd like to get one.H > The best I've seen was a rx2620 that went for $2500.  It was a bargainI > with 2 1.5GHz processors and 2 or 4GB of memory with 2 36GB hard drives   K Sounds like someone found a way to make money, or at least break even, with K Itanium- go to an IDF, then sell the hardware for more than the IDF cost...   F > but since the Hobbyist IA64 licenses are not yet available I figured  F Yep, still waiting here. We'll be replacing our DS20 / AS1200 prod/devF systems with IA64 boxes later this year; At that point, my IDF-sourced@ RX2620 becomes mine, either to join my home cluster (if hobbyist7 licenses are available) or collect dust until they are.    -- Dean Woodward    =3Do&o  dean.woodward@gmail.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:07:38 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: New VAX Problem) Message-ID: <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   [ In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >Bill Gunshannon wrote: J >> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restartG >> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the  >> console is unresponsive.   N If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing or fast	 flashing.    According to the manual at  F http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf    ; Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus   @                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or8                   Flash       air flow error is detected  C                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, or G                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition  &                               detected      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    F >When you power-on, you get the >>> prompt ? Any error messages during6 >the default self tests ? or do those not run at all ? > C >I would pull out all boards from the q-bus , and if you have scsi, I >ensure it is terminated (and eventually disconnect all discs) and see if < >you can then power on with the self test workingm, and thenJ >progressively re-insert each Qbus card to see which one causes the fault.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 16:34:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4cej0aF15gvheU2@individual.net>  ) In article <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, ! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: ] > In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote:K >>> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restart H >>> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the >>> console is unresponsive.   > P > If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing or fast > flashing.  >  > According to the manual at > H > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf >  > = > Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus  > B >                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or: >                   Flash       air flow error is detected > E >                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, or I >                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition  ( >                               detected >   K Yeah, I found that manual after I had pushed the new box in and was looking H for boot options.  I would say Slow Flash.  What would cause an air flowH error?  The fan is working (note my previous comment about sounding likeH a jet) because when you power it on it run at full speed for a minute or+ so before slowing down to normal operation.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:53:49 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: New VAX Problem) Message-ID: <e3t5qt$f3t$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   W In article <4cej0aF15gvheU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: * >In article <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>," >	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:^ >> In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: L >>>> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restartI >>>> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the  >>>> console is unresponsive.  >>  Q >> If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing or fast  >> flashing. >>   >> According to the manual at  >>  I >> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf  >>   >>  > >> Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus >>  C >>                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or ; >>                   Flash       air flow error is detected  >>  F >>                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, orJ >>                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition ) >>                               detected  >>   > L >Yeah, I found that manual after I had pushed the new box in and was lookingI >for boot options.  I would say Slow Flash.  What would cause an air flow I >error?  The fan is working (note my previous comment about sounding like I >a jet) because when you power it on it run at full speed for a minute or , >so before slowing down to normal operation. >   G Section 2.6 Cooling system  of that manual has a diagram of the airflow M and a bit of text describing how much clearance is expected around the system 5 (and warns not to put anything on top of the system).     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 17:12:02 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4cel72F15gvheU4@individual.net>  ) In article <e3t5qt$f3t$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, ! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: Y > In article <4cej0aF15gvheU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: + >>In article <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, # >>	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: _ >>> In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:M >>>>> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restart J >>>>> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the >>>>> console is unresponsive.   >>> R >>> If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing or fast
 >>> flashing.  >>>  >>> According to the manual at >>> J >>> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf >>>  >>> ? >>> Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus  >>> D >>>                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or< >>>                   Flash       air flow error is detected >>> G >>>                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, or K >>>                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition  * >>>                               detected >>>  >>M >>Yeah, I found that manual after I had pushed the new box in and was looking J >>for boot options.  I would say Slow Flash.  What would cause an air flowJ >>error?  The fan is working (note my previous comment about sounding likeJ >>a jet) because when you power it on it run at full speed for a minute or- >>so before slowing down to normal operation.  >> > I > Section 2.6 Cooling system  of that manual has a diagram of the airflow O > and a bit of text describing how much clearance is expected around the system 7 > (and warns not to put anything on top of the system).   G Is there a filter in there that could be dirty and restricting airflow? @ Does it actually measure the airflow or is it temperature based?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:35:06 -0400 + From: Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net>  Subject: PGP and VMS BACKUP 8 Message-ID: <jt1462l8gbam2q30666e6vk47584glu5c4@4ax.com>  B Has anyone figured out how to use PGP or GPG or any encrypter, for> that matter, on BACKUP output to external devices (mostly tapeC drives)?  I just learned of a product that will do this, but it has A many restrictions--no VMSclustering, no tape data compression (no ? /MEDIA=COMP), ... what a price to pay.  Are there alternatives?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:44:43 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP 2 Message-ID: <e3t1pb$j9q$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  9 "Steve Matzura" <number6@speakeasy.net> wrote in message  2 news:jt1462l8gbam2q30666e6vk47584glu5c4@4ax.com...  D > Has anyone figured out how to use PGP or GPG or any encrypter, for@ > that matter, on BACKUP output to external devices (mostly tapeE > drives)?  I just learned of a product that will do this, but it has C > many restrictions--no VMSclustering, no tape data compression (no A > /MEDIA=COMP), ... what a price to pay.  Are there alternatives?   E Applying any reasonable encryption algorithm to data is going to make H it look sufficiently like noise to be essentially incompressible. Backup6 in VMS 8.3 is rumoured to support AES out of the box.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 09:33:18 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP C Message-ID: <1147278798.496353.154570@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Steve Matzura wrote:D > Has anyone figured out how to use PGP or GPG or any encrypter, for@ > that matter, on BACKUP output to external devices (mostly tape
 > drives)?  D Have you considered appliances such as Decru or NeoScale?  Will they work in your environment?   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:29:21 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP / Message-ID: <Bxo8g.323$d44.39@news.cpqcorp.net>    Steve Matzura wrote:D > Has anyone figured out how to use PGP or GPG or any encrypter, for@ > that matter, on BACKUP output to external devices (mostly tapeE > drives)?  I just learned of a product that will do this, but it has C > many restrictions--no VMSclustering, no tape data compression (no A > /MEDIA=COMP), ... what a price to pay.  Are there alternatives?   G    Encryption within BACKUP has been fully supported for some time now  F (as much as a decade or so?) with the optionally-installed encryption H package, and all of the required pieces are now integrated into OpenVMS  itself starting with V8.3.  >    The Encryption product is part of the Foundation Operating H Environment (FOE) on V8.2 and later, and its license is included in the F base OpenVMS Alpha license in V8.2 and later.  With releases prior to F V8.3, you'll have to load the encryption layered product kit.  On yet A older releases, you'll need to load the license and the software.   F    IIRC, V8.3 adds AES-based encryption, where older product releases  used a DES-based scheme.  D    The layered product documentation and the SPD for Encryption for H OpenVMS (SPD 26.74.xx) are available at the HP web site.  Here are some  relevant URLs:  5    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2674/SP2674PF.PDF 0    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/6477pro.pdf  H    As for PGP itself, no, I haven't tried tying that into BACKUP, and I D don't know of anyone that has.  (The obvious approach would involve I replacing the ENCRYPSHR.EXE stub, of course, but that's going to be very  4 far from being considered documented and supported.)   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 16:40:28 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP , Message-ID: <4cejbrF15gvheU3@individual.net>  2 In article <e3t1pb$j9q$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>,- 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > ; > "Steve Matzura" <number6@speakeasy.net> wrote in message  4 > news:jt1462l8gbam2q30666e6vk47584glu5c4@4ax.com... > E >> Has anyone figured out how to use PGP or GPG or any encrypter, for A >> that matter, on BACKUP output to external devices (mostly tape F >> drives)?  I just learned of a product that will do this, but it hasD >> many restrictions--no VMSclustering, no tape data compression (noB >> /MEDIA=COMP), ... what a price to pay.  Are there alternatives? > G > Applying any reasonable encryption algorithm to data is going to make D > it look sufficiently like noise to be essentially incompressible.   5 Which is why you have to encrypt after you compress!!   J >                                                                   Backup8 > in VMS 8.3 is rumoured to support AES out of the box.    1 Will it do both ewncryption and compression?  :-)    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:06:19 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP 2 Message-ID: <06051012061973_20339987@antinode.org>  ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  / > 	"Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  > > I > > Applying any reasonable encryption algorithm to data is going to make F > > it look sufficiently like noise to be essentially incompressible.  > 7 > Which is why you have to encrypt after you compress!!   D    Gee.  Do you suppose that that might be why PGP normally uses Zip? compression on data before doing the encryption?  I assume that B practically every other encryption program does something similar.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:03:49 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: PGP and VMS BACKUP 2 Message-ID: <e3t6dl$l3f$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & news:4cejbrF15gvheU3@individual.net...  H >> Applying any reasonable encryption algorithm to data is going to makeD >> it look sufficiently like noise to be essentially incompressible. > 7 > Which is why you have to encrypt after you compress!!   D Yes, but the OP was complaining that product X was incompatible withG hardware compression. That's pretty much inevitable unless the hardware  is doing the crypto as well.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 04:23:46 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: POP3 client for VMS? C Message-ID: <1147260226.885941.244870@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>    Hiya,   C Other than JF's POP2SMTP, does anyone know of a POP3 client for VMS D (preferably Alpha) that will enable me to pull down mail from my ISP4 and shove it into VMS mail and, therefore MAIL.MAI ?  E The only other option I'm seeing at the moment is using a Unix box to 8 pull the mail down and then forward it to my VMS system.   Thanks in advance    Steve    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 14:03:08 +0200/ From: huber@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) ! Subject: Re: POP3 client for VMS? + Message-ID: <FSIktuTERSog@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   ` In article <1147260226.885941.244870@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > E > Other than JF's POP2SMTP, does anyone know of a POP3 client for VMS F > (preferably Alpha) that will enable me to pull down mail from my ISP6 > and shove it into VMS mail and, therefore MAIL.MAI ? > G > The only other option I'm seeing at the moment is using a Unix box to : > pull the mail down and then forward it to my VMS system. >     POP2SMTP ? do You mean:.    http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/poptomail.html    Doesn't it what You want ?     --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 05:27:53 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk! Subject: Re: POP3 client for VMS? C Message-ID: <1147264073.908585.248860@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B That's why I said "Other than JF's POP2SMTP".  It claims to have aB limitation regarding mail messages that have come from a Micro$oft	 system...    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 06:03:34 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk! Subject: Re: POP3 client for VMS? B Message-ID: <1147266214.812004.24610@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  6 Oops, you're right, he does.  sorry for the confusion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:48:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <44617E91.10FC95BD@teksavvy.com>  
 Andrew wrote: E > I don't but all the indications are that HP are unlikely to port to D > x86. Enough people have asked them for a port in the past and been! > rebuffed to justify my comment.   F Companies' public statements do not necessarily reflect strategic long1 term decisions that have not been made pulic yet.   F HP needs to keep up the appearance/illusion that they remain committedG to that IA64 thing until they are really ready to move to the 8086, and @ they will wait until the 8086 outperforms that IA64 thing beforeH announcing it. Every delay of that IA64 thing brings ahead the time when the 8086 outperforms IA64.  I > The ease or otherwise of the port isn't really the issue. HP would need G > to create a whole new ecosystem (OpenVMS on x86) this would require a B > much, much more significant effort and expenditure than the port	 > itself.   H This is where there is an opportunity now. There is no ecosystem for VMSH on that IA64 thing at the moment. And there is little installed base. InD fact the VAX installed base is still much larger than what IA64 has.    C > is as usefull as a chocolate teapot. The choice of processor also I > materially effects the cost of the whole platform which in turn effects  > peoples buying choices.   F For VMS, the expectation of low cost desktops isn't really there. WhatG is more important is having VMS run on a platform whose futue is not in E question and on a platform which is a key offering for the owner, not M some strange proprietary chip that isn't really key to the company's success.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:56:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <44618088.A6B0A64F@teksavvy.com>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:G >     That's my point - the customers don't care that VMS runs on Alpha J > or IA64 or "Frammistat 3000", they care that they have a cost-effective,L > reliable platform; which is why making VMS run on x86 "commodity" hardwareF > would be a good business decision, especially if IA64 can't get it's > act together pretty soon.     + Customers care about software availability. M Software makers care about potential market for a platform and its viability.   G To make platform grow and look viable to software vendors, you need the D OS on a chip whose future isn't in question, and a platform which isF heavility marketed by the owner and where there is competition to keep prices low.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:57:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <446180C4.5CFAA7DC@teksavvy.com>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: H > Why would HP want to port VMS, an established 64-bit operating system, > back to a 32-bit platform?       8086 is now 64 bits.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:25:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <44618747.A148D810@teksavvy.com>   Michael Kraemer wrote:K > they didn't wait until itanic outperformed alpha but killed alpha before. C > and x86 already beats itanic in integer, AFAIK, and that's what's ! > important for commercial stuff. ( > So why don't we see signs of VMS/x86 ?  E When it became public that there was a secret port of VMS to the 8086 D happening in the basement of ZKO, authorities quickly converted thatD space into a GYM to kill that rumour.  The whereabouts of the secretK porting team are not known at this time :-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   G Note: Apple now has EFI based 8086s. So it is a given that HP engineers H would also have some prototype EFI based 8086 systems, and with this, itA would allow VMS engineers to start porting VMS. Back in 2004, the @ message was that the 8086 woudl join the IA64 in terms of systemE interfaces in 2007.  So I don't expect any formal announcements about D the lack of future for IA64 until 2007. But would definitely welcome% them if they were issued before that.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:18:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 / Message-ID: <iNmdnTf1rodnD_zZRVn-jA@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I >> Why would HP want to port VMS, an established 64-bit operating system,  >> back to a 32-bit platform?  >  >  > 8086 is now 64 bits.  : No, AMD64 is 64 bits.  The 8086 is a relic from years ago.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:55:13 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <4461d49c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:44618747.A148D810@teksavvy.com... > Michael Kraemer wrote:E > > they didn't wait until itanic outperformed alpha but killed alpha  before. E > > and x86 already beats itanic in integer, AFAIK, and that's what's # > > important for commercial stuff. * > > So why don't we see signs of VMS/x86 ? > G > When it became public that there was a secret port of VMS to the 8086 F > happening in the basement of ZKO, authorities quickly converted thatF > space into a GYM to kill that rumour.  The whereabouts of the secretI > porting team are not known at this time :-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-)  :-)  > I > Note: Apple now has EFI based 8086s. So it is a given that HP engineers J > would also have some prototype EFI based 8086 systems, and with this, itC > would allow VMS engineers to start porting VMS. Back in 2004, the B > message was that the 8086 woudl join the IA64 in terms of systemG > interfaces in 2007.  So I don't expect any formal announcements about F > the lack of future for IA64 until 2007. But would definitely welcome' > them if they were issued before that.   J You have way too much time on your hands dreaming up this stuff.  There isI no secret port going on, and no plans for a port, and EFI availability is K just one part of a very large puzzle that would need to be solved - and not  even the first piece.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 08:48:29 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 , Message-ID: <hsmYsxuPG1Q9@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <44618088.A6B0A64F@teksavvy.com>,  1   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > - > Customers care about software availability. O > Software makers care about potential market for a platform and its viability.  > I > To make platform grow and look viable to software vendors, you need the F > OS on a chip whose future isn't in question, and a platform which isH > heavility marketed by the owner and where there is competition to keep
 > prices low.   J   True. I'm sure the constant "changing of horses" frustrates the software vendors.  I   I have had an Itanium VMS system for about a year and a half now, but I G still can't do anything very useful on it, due to the lack of an Oracle M client (supposed to be out next month, we'll see if that really happens ) and J a lack of the availability of Powerhouse on Itanium ( and the last I heardC Cognos didn't sound like they were seriously considering porting to 
 Itanium ).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:09:37 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 / Message-ID: <_82dncJzObgRkv_ZRVn-tA@libcom.com>    FredK wrote:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:44618747.A148D810@teksavvy.com... >> Michael Kraemer wrote: E >>> they didn't wait until itanic outperformed alpha but killed alpha 	 > before. E >>> and x86 already beats itanic in integer, AFAIK, and that's what's # >>> important for commercial stuff. * >>> So why don't we see signs of VMS/x86 ?H >> When it became public that there was a secret port of VMS to the 8086G >> happening in the basement of ZKO, authorities quickly converted that G >> space into a GYM to kill that rumour.  The whereabouts of the secret J >> porting team are not known at this time :-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-) > :-) J >> Note: Apple now has EFI based 8086s. So it is a given that HP engineersK >> would also have some prototype EFI based 8086 systems, and with this, it D >> would allow VMS engineers to start porting VMS. Back in 2004, theC >> message was that the 8086 woudl join the IA64 in terms of system H >> interfaces in 2007.  So I don't expect any formal announcements aboutG >> the lack of future for IA64 until 2007. But would definitely welcome ( >> them if they were issued before that. > B > You have way too much time on your hands dreaming up this stuff.  $ See another post on JF and pot.  :-)   >  There is K > no secret port going on, and no plans for a port, and EFI availability is M > just one part of a very large puzzle that would need to be solved - and not  > even the first piece.  >  >  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:43:37 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> % Subject: RE: SGI files for chapter 11 T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684013ACE8A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Malcolm Dunnett [mailto:nothome@spammers.are.scum]=20  > Sent: May 10, 2006 11:48 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11  >=201 > In article <44618088.A6B0A64F@teksavvy.com>,=20 3 >   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >=20 > >=20/ > > Customers care about software availability. A > > Software makers care about potential market for a platform=20  > and its viability. > >=20A > > To make platform grow and look viable to software vendors,=20  > you need theH > > OS on a chip whose future isn't in question, and a platform which is9 > > heavility marketed by the owner and where there is=20  > competition to keep  > > prices low.  >=20B >   True. I'm sure the constant "changing of horses" frustrates=20 > the software
 > vendors. >=20> >   I have had an Itanium VMS system for about a year and a=20 > half now, but I B > still can't do anything very useful on it, due to the lack of=20 > an Oracle = > client (supposed to be out next month, we'll see if that=20  > really happens ) andB > a lack of the availability of Powerhouse on Itanium ( and the=20 > last I heardE > Cognos didn't sound like they were seriously considering porting to  > Itanium ). >=20 >=20   Malcolm,=20   E Not sure what the current status is, but here is a Cognos web pointer  that may be of interest:< http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/ph_on_itanium.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:51:45 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: TAB character in DCL command-line editing, Message-ID: <4461d3cc$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:44613E60.85A47A05@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > > I > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote on 05/09/2006 10:53:42 AM:  > >  > > > 4 > > > "Fred Bach" <music@triumf.ca> wrote in message( > > > news:445BB014.3040602@triumf.ca... > > > > D > > > >    I have a strange problem.  I have checked the OpenVMS FAQC > > > >    and the DCL dictionary and the OpenVms Users Manual, and > > > > >    I searched google.  No information was forthcoming. > > > > D > > > >    The problem is this:  Inserting a TAB anywhere on the DCLF > > > >    command line prevents inserting characters using Control-A.C > > > >    DELETE still works, but no characters can be inserted on H > > > >    my DCL command lines here as long as there is a tab character > > > >    present.  > > > >  > > >  > > > 6 > > > I always had this problem, ever since VMS 4.x...3 > > > Before that, I wasn't using VMS, just RSTS...  > > > D > > > I never tried to go around it. How often does one use TAB in a command? > > F > > It's a matter of style.  One is much more likely to use TAB's in aK > > command procedure (for readablity).  I suppose one could cut/paste from C > > the procedure onto the command line and encounter this problem.  > I > Not sure how that would happen. The terminal programs I've seen to date J > (including DECterm) all expand TABs to spaces; so, when you're selectingD > the text from the display you're taking it as spaces and not TABs. >   J Correct.  A tab is not a graphic character, it is a control character thatI is executed.  Its execution  does not insert spaces, but rather positions H the cursor at then next tab stop.  Cut & Paste cause DECterm to pull theJ selected data from the screen - tab does not exist in the data.  A WYSIWYGJ graphics editor has access to the source data used to represent what is onI the screen, and so (if it chooses) can generate tab and other characters. I The DECterm strategy is "just the data" - we could do oddball things like K generate escape sequences for attributes - but 97% of all users would *not* I want that (and anything but a terminal emulator would not understand it). I Regenerating tabs would require a lot of change to the emulator (we would 6 have to keep track of them) - for very little payback.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:42:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 anti-spam, Message-ID: <44617D37.FE99F23A@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > >    The SMTP DISABLE + ENABLE is enough.  I do this all the time.  It's  . > According to JF, even that is not necessary.    C it is necessary if you issue SET SERVICE SMTP /something commands.    8 If you modify SMTP.CONFIG, it *should* not be necessary.  
 re: delay.  H For the SMTP received, the delay is not really necessary between DISABLEF and ENABLE SERVICE because if there is no messages being received, youF need not wait for any process to terminate before the service is trulyG disabled. But for services where you have a permanent process (FTP, POP H etc), you need to wait for the process to run down before you enable the service again.  H for STOP MAIL and START MAIL you also need to wait a while to ensure the symbiont has time to terminate.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:23 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)  Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 anti-spam2 Message-ID: <06051008052382_20339987@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: L > > >    The SMTP DISABLE + ENABLE is enough.  I do this all the time.  It's > 0 > > According to JF, even that is not necessary. > E > it is necessary if you issue SET SERVICE SMTP /something commands.   > : > If you modify SMTP.CONFIG, it *should* not be necessary.  E    That might be true _if_ the receiver worked as you seem to believe G that it does.  Reality seems to differ from your expectations.  Perhaps D the receiver is smart enough not to need to re-read and re-parse andD re-interpret the configuraton file every time a message comes in.  ID could speculate about the possible mechanisms which might be used toG implement such behavior, but I'm satisfied to observe the behavior, and A to act accordingly.  I'll leave it to others to explain the inner F workings of programs whose code they have never seen.  (And with whose% behavior they seem to be unfamiliar.)    > re: delay. > J > For the SMTP received, the delay is not really necessary between DISABLE" > and ENABLE SERVICE because [...]      As I said, not necessary.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 16:27:54 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)% Subject: The EDU Program (once again) , Message-ID: <4ceikaF15gvheU1@individual.net>  5 Does Sue handle the EDU Program among her other task?   F I was able to get the VAX back up by rolling in another box and fixingB the boot flags. It booted to a notice that today is the day all myH licenses expire.  Being the last week of classes, could there be a worseG time for this to happen?  I tried getting new ones from the website but F nothing come in the mail. I have already looked at the maillogs on theF server to make sure they weren't getting filtered somewhere.  I really need to fix this.   C And rolling the clock back (would that even work in VMS?) is not an 9 option as it would wreak havoc on the shared filesystems.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 03:28:25 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> V Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)/ Message-ID: <3LadneySxdD4CPzZRVn-rg@libcom.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >   H > You missed the point I was making (or at least trying to make). JF didF > not even know if there was a problem or not but just that he had notI > heard personally as to whether it applied to VAX/VMS or not. Because he H > had not heard, he inferred that perhaps there were no $'s available or. > resources left looking at issues like this.   C Ah, but in trying to make your point, you compared support for old  G versions of other operating systems that are not now being sold and/or  - supported, with sales and support of VAX/VMS.    More below.   H > In my experience, any security issue is typically taken very seriouslyG > at HP - not only with OpenVMS, but other HP OS's as well. There is no I > conspiracy to purposely not release security patches on OpenVMS to save  > $'s or time or whatever .. > : > Btw, VAX/VMS V7.3 is now 5 years old (May 2001 release).  E And still being sold and supported.  It may be old, but it's not yet   retired.  H My only nit is that you shouldn't compare obsolete and retired software $ with current and supported software.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:12:08 -0400 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsonly@weaverconsulting.ca> V Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)9 Message-ID: <fNk8g.4642$aq5.199805@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:44618559.6D31F01E@teksavvy.com... >...C > have been a response. I don't expect VMS engineers to constantly  	 > monitor C > CERTs, but when someon points to them a potential problem for vMS  >...  G That is one area where we are in complete disagreement, HP should know   about CERTs before we do IMHO.  D > The lack of participation of VMS "management" into the public CERTE > process makes VMS look like it is dead without any support from the F > point of view of security analysts who never see any responses from  > VMS E > engineering on whether a CERT has impact and if so, how quickly the   > patch has been made available.  D The Java problem I mentioned yesterday was Bugtraq #15615 which was G released in November 2005. Early January I contacted HP to find out if  G this problem applies to VMS. The answer was basically, "Maybe" because  C the VMS software was based on a version of Sun's Java that had the  E bug, but Sun would not tell HP what the bug actually was so HP could  A not test it to see if it caused any problems on VMS. So when the  D company's Security group told me that I either had to patch Java on E VMS or prove that VMS has no issues with this bug all I could do was  F say that we had no idea if the bug is a problem on VMS but there will G be a new version out real soon that will be based on Sun code that Sun  > says does not have this problem. This really is unacceptable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:14 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> V Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)/ Message-ID: <_82dnf1zObhAjf_ZRVn-tA@libcom.com>    Peter Weaver wrote: = > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  ( > news:44618559.6D31F01E@teksavvy.com... >> ...D >> have been a response. I don't expect VMS engineers to constantly 
 >> monitorD >> CERTs, but when someon points to them a potential problem for vMS >> ... > I > That is one area where we are in complete disagreement, HP should know    > about CERTs before we do IMHO. > E >> The lack of participation of VMS "management" into the public CERT F >> process makes VMS look like it is dead without any support from theG >> point of view of security analysts who never see any responses from   >> VMSF >> engineering on whether a CERT has impact and if so, how quickly the! >> patch has been made available.  > F > The Java problem I mentioned yesterday was Bugtraq #15615 which was I > released in November 2005. Early January I contacted HP to find out if  I > this problem applies to VMS. The answer was basically, "Maybe" because  E > the VMS software was based on a version of Sun's Java that had the  G > bug, but Sun would not tell HP what the bug actually was so HP could  6 > not test it to see if it caused any problems on VMS.  G That's rather interesting.  If true, Sun is the culprit.  Sort of goes  J against their efforts of making java a universal 'run everywhere' product.   > So when the F > company's Security group told me that I either had to patch Java on G > VMS or prove that VMS has no issues with this bug all I could do was  H > say that we had no idea if the bug is a problem on VMS but there will I > be a new version out real soon that will be based on Sun code that Sun  @ > says does not have this problem. This really is unacceptable.  >  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:38:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  v , Message-ID: <44617C49.F9D2F27E@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:G > I am not familiar with whether any of these BIND 8 issues you mention  > are applicable or not to VAX.     G My point exactly. A public vulnerability is published about BIND 8, and H I woudl expect the vendor to tell me whethert this vulnerability applies to tehir Bind 8 port to VMS.  G > Are there any resources left at Sun putting the latest security fixes  > into Solaris 2/6?   D Does HP stilll charge for support for VAX-VMS and TCPIP Services 5.3F (the most recent recelase on VAX) ? If so, then HP should be providingB support to indicate if a public vulnerability of Bind 8 applies to& VAX-VMS's Bind 8. (Alpba is on Bind 9)  G > Are there any resources left at Microsoft putting the latest security I > fixes into NT3.51?  Even NT4 has not been updated with all the security  > patches for quite awhile now.   E NT3.51 is not a current version.   VMS 7.3 and TCPIP Services 5.3 are A the most current releases on supported VAX platform, and until HP G formerly delcares it no longer supports VAX, they have a responsability , to inform customers of such vulnerabilities.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 06:38:58 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  v T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684013ACCB1@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20  > Sent: May 10, 2006 2:18 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re:=20 8 > X windows vulnerability) vulnerability) vulnerability) >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > > not even know if there was a problem or not but just that he had not> > > heard personally as to whether it applied to VAX/VMS or=20 > not. Because he @ > > had not heard, he inferred that perhaps there were no $'s=20 > available or/ > > resources left looking at issues like this.  >=20D > When the vendor doesn't communicate such information to customers,H > customers wonder what is happening and perhaps if the product is still9 > under maintenance/development. Specualtion is not good.  >=20H > Bob InstantWhip always brags about no CERTS about VMS. But that is not@ > true. There have been many CERTs which potentially effected=20
 > software on A > VMS (Bind 8 being an example) and VMS customers not having a=20 
 > clue if the H > CERT applies or not to them because HP/Compaq didn't bother informing. >=20 >=20> > > In my experience, any security issue is typically taken=20 > very seriously= > > at HP - not only with OpenVMS, but other HP OS's as well.  >=20 >=20H > When I posted about a new Bind 8 vulnerability here some months ago, I@ > got 0 response. If it had been taken seriously, you'd think=20
 > there would : > have been a response. I don't expect VMS engineers to=20 > constantly monitorC > CERTs, but when someon points to them a potential problem for vMS H > software, I would expect them to take this on and provide information. >=20  E Public newsgroups have very little official influence and/or input to C most corporations. Engineering and field resources participate on a H "when I get time" basis. Typically vendor resources will pick and choose5 topics based on title, author, other preferences. =20   D What was your response when you followed the official HP process for security notifications?    >=20D > The lack of participation of VMS "management" into the public CERTE > process makes VMS look like it is dead without any support from the 9 > point of view of security analysts who never see any=20  > responses from VMSE > engineering on whether a CERT has impact and if so, how quickly the   > patch has been made available. >=20  G Again, newsgroup speculation is one thing. Following official processes  is another.=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:17:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: This post will self-destruct in 10secs (Was Re: X windows  vulnerability)  v , Message-ID: <44618559.6D31F01E@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:F > not even know if there was a problem or not but just that he had notI > heard personally as to whether it applied to VAX/VMS or not. Because he H > had not heard, he inferred that perhaps there were no $'s available or- > resources left looking at issues like this.   B When the vendor doesn't communicate such information to customers,F customers wonder what is happening and perhaps if the product is still7 under maintenance/development. Specualtion is not good.   F Bob InstantWhip always brags about no CERTS about VMS. But that is notG true. There have been many CERTs which potentially effected software on H VMS (Bind 8 being an example) and VMS customers not having a clue if theF CERT applies or not to them because HP/Compaq didn't bother informing.    H > In my experience, any security issue is typically taken very seriously; > at HP - not only with OpenVMS, but other HP OS's as well.     F When I posted about a new Bind 8 vulnerability here some months ago, IG got 0 response. If it had been taken seriously, you'd think there would H have been a response. I don't expect VMS engineers to constantly monitorA CERTs, but when someon points to them a potential problem for vMS F software, I would expect them to take this on and provide information.    B The lack of participation of VMS "management" into the public CERTC process makes VMS look like it is dead without any support from the G point of view of security analysts who never see any responses from VMS C engineering on whether a CERT has impact and if so, how quickly the  patch has been made available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:57:50 -0400 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> K Subject: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software 9 Message-ID: <nYo8g.18356$Sl4.9271@bignews1.bellsouth.net>   ? Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is  INEXPENSIVE/CHEAP @ I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation  H If you are a reseller or manufacturer of backup/utility software I would alsdo like to hear from > you so we can put a plug/link/"buy it now" section on our site   Thanks   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 10:24:12 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software C Message-ID: <1147281852.316838.196420@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   F our backup is automated using good old DCL scripts in batch queues ...  . and it's free ... now that is really cheap! :)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.259 ************************