1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 11 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 260       Contents: Re: ANN: LN$SDA freeware8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix8 Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix) Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: New VAX Problem  Re: POP3 client for VMS?& Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format* Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format* Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format* Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11 Re: SGI files for chapter 11- Re: TAB character in DCL command-line editing F Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareF Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) softwareB Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but notP Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not  under 7.1-2 N Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2N Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2P XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 7.1-2P Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 u  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:48:39 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>! Subject: Re: ANN: LN$SDA freeware 6 Message-ID: <446297F7.BC2A4745@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Ian Miller wrote:  > 5 > If you like that then have a look my other software * > http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~miller/   *VERY* Cool!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:44:31 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix + Message-ID: <PNv8g.10016$k%2.6240@trnddc03>   
 AEF wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: > l >>In article <1147022551.096797.203100@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>? >>>And that's part of what makes .EXE special. Try this: rename I >>>SYSBOOT.EXE to have some other file type and reboot. Good luck. (Note: H >>>I haven't tried this. Maybe it actually works anyway, but I doubt it.7 >>>If I have time later, I'll try it on a test system!)  >>H >>   That's not a valid test.  If the boot software is coded to look forI >>   able.a and you rename it to able.b then the boot software will fail,   >>   no matter what a abd b are. >  > H > Your right! Yeah, I knew it was a stretch. Glad to see you and JF were > awake and caught it! >  > I >>   A valid test is to find one of at least two places in VMS where .EXE F >>   is the required extension only because someone made it so in code' >>   that could have accepted anything.  >  > D > One of at least two? If you find only one, how do you know there's
 > another? > " > Anyway, let's go back to .DIR;1. > G > The O/S only creates directories ending in .DIR;1. Additionally, said I > files are created so that can't rename them without either changing the & > protections or enabling bypass priv. > E > Normal directory syntax ([HELLO.THERE.MY.FRIEND], for example) only * > works with directories ending in .DIR;1. > H > If that doesn't make .DIR;1 special to the OS, I don't know what does.  C Actually, it DOESN'T!  It makes .DIR;1 special to the XQP, which is 
 *not* the OS.   @ This is actually an important distinction, since the XQP (which B implements ODS-2 and ODS-5), could be replaced with something that> worked transparently the same, but used a completely differentA mechanism to store directories, and which applied no such special ? meaning to .DIR;1.  If this replacement XQP implemented all the @ ACP functions, RMS and any user programs that didn't poke around' behind the curtain would work the same.    > I > Yes, you can go out of your way to make dangling non-.DIR;1 directories E > dangling in ODS-5 state still accessible by the special DID format. H > Yes, you can go out of your way to make a file with .DIR;1 that is notH > a directory. Yes, you can reset the directory bit. But .DIR;1 is stillC > special. In 21 years using VMS I have never encountered a problem I > caused by these rather contrived scenarios. You can break the scheme by E > these scenarios, but the scheme is that .DIR;1 is for directory and  > that makes .DIR;1 special! > H > RED with GREEN RIGHT ARROW doesn't mean that RED isn't special (see my" > reply to Wilm for more on this.) >  > AEF  >      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:40:16 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>A Subject: Re: DCL versus Unix CLIs, was: Re: File output like Unix 0 Message-ID: <4Cw8g.360$Sq4.246@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Santos wrote: > AEF wrote:I >> If that doesn't make .DIR;1 special to the OS, I don't know what does.  > E > Actually, it DOESN'T!  It makes .DIR;1 special to the XQP, which is  > *not* the OS.   E    Directories are usually considered special if for no other reason  + than if they contain file system meta-data.   I    And yes, the XQP extended $qio processor (the in-built version of its  H predecessor file system ancillary control processor (ACP)) is something I that I'd generally consider to be built into the exec (debugging the XQP  D is certainly "fun", too, but that's fodder for another discussion), D ANALYZE, and the primitive file system (which is built into various ? bootstrap constructs) all know about the format of directories.   I    If OpenVMS were structured with a file system interface layer -- akin  F to the way that Linux and Unix systems are often structured -- then I G might well agree, and consider directories to be something outside the  H exec.  But OpenVMS and its kernel (and many of its tools) traditionally B have a rather closer relationship with the underlying file system.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:15:03 +0000 (UTC)1 From: legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) 2 Subject: Re: Mac OS X no longer immune to viruses!, Message-ID: <e3g87n$3e3$6@news.xmission.com>  / [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]   2 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> spake the secret code6 <gZudnRzer_y4AsbZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@bresnan.com> thusly:  J >That's why it has been reported that M$ windows has cost the IT industry , >over $2billion in damages.  I rest my case.  G ...and reporters *never* exagerrate things into the realm of hyperbole.    Just ask Dan Rather. --  E "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline"-- code samples, sample chapter, FAQ: 3           <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/> ( 	    Pilgrimage: Utah's annual demoparty,                <http://pilgrimage.scene.org>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:59:34 -0600 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net> Subject: Re: New VAX Problem2 Message-ID: <1147283648_4745@sp6iad.superfeed.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:+ > In article <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, # > 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: ^ >> In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:L >>>> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to restartI >>>> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the  >>>> console is unresponsive. Q >> If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing or fast  >> flashing. >> >> According to the manual at  >>I >> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf  >> >>> >> Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus >>C >>                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or ; >>                   Flash       air flow error is detected  >>F >>                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, orJ >>                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition ) >>                               detected  >> > M > Yeah, I found that manual after I had pushed the new box in and was looking J > for boot options.  I would say Slow Flash.  What would cause an air flowJ > error?  The fan is working (note my previous comment about sounding likeJ > a jet) because when you power it on it run at full speed for a minute or- > so before slowing down to normal operation.  >  > bill >   O Read page 2-13... system has air flow and temperature sensors. Your machine may J have a bad micro switch(es) on the air vane(s) that sense(s) the air flow.  
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net  Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:04:14 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: New VAX Problem) Message-ID: <op.s9ckhcttzgicya@hyrrokkin>   I On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:59:34 -0700, Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net> wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote:, >> In article <e3svjq$ddi$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>,$ >> 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:: >>> In article <44618297.C304206@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei  * >>> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: G >>>>> on the console and the fault light lit ont he VAX.  Attempts to   
 >>>>> restart J >>>>> the system result in nothing.  The fault light comes back on and the >>>>> console is unresponsive.L >>> If this is a VAX 7000 is the yellow fault light full on, slow flashing   >>> or fast 
 >>> flashing.  >>>  >>> According to the manual at >>> J >>> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-7000b-op-002.pdf >>>  >>> ? >>> Fault   Yellow    On          Fault on LSB or system IO bus  >>> D >>>                   Slow        Power sequencing is in progress or< >>>                   Flash       air flow error is detected >>> G >>>                   Fast        Power system error, airflow error, or L >>>                   Flash       keyswitch in Disable position transition  * >>>                               detected >>> I >>  Yeah, I found that manual after I had pushed the new box in and was   
 >> lookingK >> for boot options.  I would say Slow Flash.  What would cause an air flow K >> error?  The fan is working (note my previous comment about sounding like K >> a jet) because when you power it on it run at full speed for a minute or . >> so before slowing down to normal operation. >>  bill >> > G > Read page 2-13... system has air flow and temperature sensors. Your   
 > machine may H > have a bad micro switch(es) on the air vane(s) that sense(s) the air   > flow.    Or bad (dirty) sensors >  > Jeff Campbell  > n8wxs@arrl.net > J > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet   > News==----C > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!    > 120,000+ Newsgroups I > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption    > =----    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 18:32:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4cepu4F13ecrbU1@individual.net>  E In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0605101151330.17136@localhost.localdomain>, ( 	Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:- > On Tue, 10 May 2006, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  > H >> I have been able to get the needed power to ruin the various systems 3 >> I have gone through ...                     ^^^^  > D > Unfortunately, ruining the systems was probably not the goal.  ;-)  C Hey, I got an excuse.  Do you know how hard it is to type with only C one usable arm?  You should see some of my messages before I fix as 5 many of the glaring errors as I can quickly see.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 18:33:59 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4ceq0nF13ecrbU2@individual.net>  2 In article <1147283802_4747@sp6iad.superfeed.net>,' 	Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >> In article <1147259784.370385.202230@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  >> 	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:H >>> If the fault light flashes, is that possibly the status for what theJ >>> system sees its problem as being?  e.g. a long three shorts and a long >>> or something?  >>  I >> I didn't notice any pattern,  Just constant blinking at a steady rate. G >> I pushed the box out of the machine room and pushed another in.  Now H >> having a problem getting it to boot.  Doesn't seem to be able to findI >> the bootfile.  I would have thought because the disks are CI that they F >> would look the same regardles of the machine.  Is there some flag IC >> probably had set on the other that might not be set on this one?  >  > You may want to get a copy of  > M >    <http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/vax/download/ek-70cob-tm-201.pdf>  > ' > which documents the console commands.   G Found it.  And it answered my questions taking me up to my next problem ) which was all my licenses expired today!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 19:54:45 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: New VAX Problem, Message-ID: <4ceuo5F15s81nU1@individual.net>  6 In article <44614095.FB90D0AF@neoasrptahmlnionwk.net>,C 	"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > G > Sounds like it might be a 6000 of some kind, possibly 7000. Next time ' > you get VMS running on it, ask it to:  > * > $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "hw_name" ) >    I said I would, so here it is.  ( $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "hw_name" ) VAX 7000-640     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:09:52 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: New VAX Problem0 Message-ID: <A9w8g.357$gq4.107@news.cpqcorp.net>   Tom Linden wrote:    > Or bad (dirty) sensors  G    Bad, dirty (dust, pollen) or even buggy (spiders are a classic; one  @ of the varieties of actual, physical bugs) can stuff up airflow H detection, or you could have an actual fan failure.  (As for bugs, I'll G leave the discussion of the conductivity of cockroaches within brewery  % control systems for another posting.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:47:35 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: New VAX Problem6 Message-ID: <446297B7.1AC1E816@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 8 > In article <44614095.FB90D0AF@neoasrptahmlnionwk.net>,L >         "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > > I > > Sounds like it might be a 6000 of some kind, possibly 7000. Next time ) > > you get VMS running on it, ask it to:  > > , > > $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "hw_name" ) > >  >   > I said I would, so here it is. > * > $ write sys$output f$getsyi( "hw_name" ) > VAX 7000-640  G Well, dunno if the 7000's have this in common with the 6000's, but it's E possible for 6000's to get flaky if too much dust builds up either in C the ventilation paths or around the airflow or temperature sensors.    Shot in the dark...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:32:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: POP3 client for VMS? , Message-ID: <44624DCC.ADCF4C99@teksavvy.com>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > D > That's why I said "Other than JF's POP2SMTP".  It claims to have aD > limitation regarding mail messages that have come from a Micro$oft > system...   G The limitation is actually a VMS mail limitation of lines not exceeding G 256 characters when the email is forwarded or delivered to another node  via DECNET.   E POPTOMAIL usesd the callable VMSmail interface to deliver messages to  VMSmail addresses.  G If you are sure that all mail remains local to the node where POPTOMAIL C runs, then the limitation is the RFC limitation at around 1024 if I H remember correctly. I'd have to check the code to see how big the record
 buffer is.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 13:04:23 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> / Subject: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format C Message-ID: <1147291463.426502.115750@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   C We've gotten a request to read old data (circa 1993) from old tapes D (8mm). Of course the data is in an unknown format. The people in ourB data center were able to dig up an old TTI TKZ09 tape drive (model? CTS-8510-DDH). I'm able to hook it up to one of our Alpha boxes G (running v7.3-2) which does see it. I'm able to mount a test tape using E "/foreign", but when I try to read the tape, I get nothing but parity  errors.   F Of course there is no manual available and I was unable to find one on the web.  D The tape drive box (it's a desktop model) has 12 dip switches in the back. Which are set as follows:    1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 1   G The last 3 seem to be the SCSI id, but I have no clue as to the rest of 
 the settings.   E Does anyone have one of these still hooked up to a VMS system or have . any documentation on how to use this with VMS.   Thanks in advance.   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 22:12:09 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 3 Subject: Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format , Message-ID: <e3tofp0199c@enews4.newsguy.com>  ( Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote:E > We've gotten a request to read old data (circa 1993) from old tapes F > (8mm). Of course the data is in an unknown format. The people in ourD > data center were able to dig up an old TTI TKZ09 tape drive (modelA > CTS-8510-DDH). I'm able to hook it up to one of our Alpha boxes I > (running v7.3-2) which does see it. I'm able to mount a test tape using G > "/foreign", but when I try to read the tape, I get nothing but parity 	 > errors.   M Do yourself a favor, try and find an outfit that specializes in such things.  K Trying to read ~13 year old 8mm tapes is not something you want to be doing C without a lot of experience with such things.  Shoot, as far as I'm K concerned it's not something you want to be doing with a lot of experience, G as the odds are seriously against you.  It is one of the least reliable : formats ever.  An 8mm tape is only good for about 2 years.   		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:23:35 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>3 Subject: Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format 0 Message-ID: <rmw8g.359$js4.161@news.cpqcorp.net>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:* > Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote:F >> We've gotten a request to read old data (circa 1993) from old tapes5 >> (8mm). Of course the data is in an unknown format.  ... O > Do yourself a favor, try and find an outfit that specializes in such things.  M > Trying to read ~13 year old 8mm tapes is not something you want to be doing / > without a lot of experience with such things.  ...   G    I concur with the recommendation here -- and do be careful with how  F hard you try before you contact a data recovery firm, too, as you can F scrape off the remaining oxide.   Best to get somebody with the right E gear to get the bits off the substrate, before the bits fall off the  
 substrate.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:05:27 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: Reading 8mm tapes of an unknown format 0 Message-ID: <44629BE7.D86A10B4@spam.comcast.net>   Ken Robinson wrote:  > E > We've gotten a request to read old data (circa 1993) from old tapes F > (8mm). Of course the data is in an unknown format. The people in ourD > data center were able to dig up an old TTI TKZ09 tape drive (modelA > CTS-8510-DDH). I'm able to hook it up to one of our Alpha boxes I > (running v7.3-2) which does see it. I'm able to mount a test tape using G > "/foreign", but when I try to read the tape, I get nothing but parity 	 > errors.  > H > Of course there is no manual available and I was unable to find one on
 > the web. > F > The tape drive box (it's a desktop model) has 12 dip switches in the! > back. Which are set as follows:  >  > 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 1  > I > The last 3 seem to be the SCSI id, but I have no clue as to the rest of  > the settings.  > G > Does anyone have one of these still hooked up to a VMS system or have 0 > any documentation on how to use this with VMS.  D First guess time: the tape was written at a density/format that your drive does not support.   G Take Hoff's advice: don't get to rough with an old 8mm tape. You may be G lucky it's not shedding the oxide completely or shredding in the drive.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:00:02 -0400 0 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 @ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0605101458150.4692@frank.harvard.edu>  K A friend of mine who worked for SGI until very recently told me that their  K single largest source of revenue is the rent they collect from Google (the  K Googleplex is the former SGI HQ in Mountain View).  I had heard some years  J ago that SGI had sold these buildings and leased them back (a complicated K way of mortgaging the property to raise cash), so it may be in the form of  K a sub-lease to Google.  Anyway, it could be amusing to see SGI emerge from  ( chapter 11 as a real estate company ....   Chip   --   Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell "Turn on, log in, tune out"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:34:09 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 / Message-ID: <p5s8g.16$YY4.9504@news.uswest.net>      F The fact that SGI is having cash flow problems is probably a result ofG commodity systems running Windows and Linux becoming powerful enough to G handle the graphics loads.  Remember that SGI was originally a computer L graphics company (Silicon Graphics, Inc.).  This should be a good warning toG HP and other "big-iron" companies not to sit on their current products. F They need to continue improving both features and performance or theirL products will be overtaken by commodity hardware and software.  This warningL includes VMS - despite the current "state of the art" for commodity systems,F they are continually getting better, both in performance and security.  
 Mike Ober.  = "Chip Coldwell" <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> wrote in message : news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0605101458150.4692@frank.harvard.edu... > L > A friend of mine who worked for SGI until very recently told me that theirL > single largest source of revenue is the rent they collect from Google (theL > Googleplex is the former SGI HQ in Mountain View).  I had heard some yearsK > ago that SGI had sold these buildings and leased them back (a complicated L > way of mortgaging the property to raise cash), so it may be in the form ofL > a sub-lease to Google.  Anyway, it could be amusing to see SGI emerge from* > chapter 11 as a real estate company .... >  > Chip >  > --   > Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell > "Turn on, log in, tune out"  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:40:55 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 6 Message-ID: <44629627.B73FAEB0@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  >  > Dave Froble wrote: >  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >   > >> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > >>L > >>> Why would HP want to port VMS, an established 64-bit operating system,  > >>> back to a 32-bit platform? > >> > >> > >> > >> 8086 is now 64 bits.  > >  > > > > > No, AMD64 is 64 bits.  The 8086 is a relic from years ago. > > ( > A SIXTEEN BIT relic!  From about 1984!   Well, 8/16 bit.    80186 - 80586 are 16/32 bit.  C The "unofficial" 80686 designation is harder to pin down (cue: Bill  Todd).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:43:34 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 6 Message-ID: <446296C6.808EB6D0@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > . > In article <44618088.A6B0A64F@teksavvy.com>,3 >   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >  > > / > > Customers care about software availability. Q > > Software makers care about potential market for a platform and its viability.  > > K > > To make platform grow and look viable to software vendors, you need the H > > OS on a chip whose future isn't in question, and a platform which isJ > > heavility marketed by the owner and where there is competition to keep > > prices low.  > L >   True. I'm sure the constant "changing of horses" frustrates the software
 > vendors. > K >   I have had an Itanium VMS system for about a year and a half now, but I I > still can't do anything very useful on it, due to the lack of an Oracle O > client (supposed to be out next month, we'll see if that really happens ) and L > a lack of the availability of Powerhouse on Itanium ( and the last I heardE > Cognos didn't sound like they were seriously considering porting to  > Itanium ).  F If you or your company are suitably positioned, offer to fund Cognos'sG porting effort in return for a suitable cut of the subsequent licensing B fees to recoup the investment. One way that partnerships are born.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:51:07 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: SGI files for chapter 11 G Message-ID: <pp6dnS3Q-tsRBf_ZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >> >>> JF Mezei wrote:  >>>   >>>> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>>>L >>>>> Why would HP want to port VMS, an established 64-bit operating system,  >>>>> back to a 32-bit platform? >>>> >>>> >>>> 8086 is now 64 bits.  >>> > >>> No, AMD64 is 64 bits.  The 8086 is a relic from years ago. >>> ) >> A SIXTEEN BIT relic!  From about 1984!  >  > Well, 8/16 bit.  >  > 80186 - 80586 are 16/32 bit.  E I'm reasonably certain that the 80386 was the first of the line that   supported 32 bits.   > E > The "unofficial" 80686 designation is harder to pin down (cue: Bill  > Todd).  H Assuming that the '80586' was the original Pentium, then about the only G candidates I can think of for '80686' would be Pentium Pro (which came  E along not all that much later, but with a significantly-revised core  I that eventually got called 'P3') and the P4 (the hot, finicky 'Netburst'  E architecture that Intel is now replacing with their Israeli-designed  F lines - which began as low-power notebook products - that harken much ' more back to the Pentium Pro approach).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:33:36 -0700 ! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> 6 Subject: Re: TAB character in DCL command-line editing( Message-ID: <44626A40.4090301@triumf.ca>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > In article <445BB014.3040602@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca>
 > writes:  >  > ? >>    The problem is this:  Inserting a TAB anywhere on the DCL A >>    command line prevents inserting characters using Control-A. > >>    DELETE still works, but no characters can be inserted onC >>    my DCL command lines here as long as there is a tab character  >>    present. >>% >>    Can anyone else reproduce this?  >  > K > I see your problem, but only if I try to insert something before the TAB.  >     >    My problem was that the tab was (almost) the last character  (    $  Search weeks_of_%%%%.dat "week 1	"  =    where the last character before the final quote was a tab.   E    So up-arrowing and trying to change that to "week 11<tab>"  didn't D    work.  In all my years of DCL, back to its infancy, I just do not    recall seeing this before.   '   .. fred bach   music at triumf dot ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:27:47 -0400 C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software : Message-ID: <Leq8g.38342$Kn4.34127@bignews2.bellsouth.net>   Bob, I knew that,  thanks ! ;0)    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message= news:1147281852.316838.196420@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... H > our backup is automated using good old DCL scripts in batch queues ... > 0 > and it's free ... now that is really cheap! :) >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:49:53 GMT ) From: "John Vottero" <JVottero@mvpsi.com> O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software ; Message-ID: <lBq8g.3531$fb2.164@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>   G "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> wrote in  ; message news:nYo8g.18356$Sl4.9271@bignews1.bellsouth.net... A > Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is  > INEXPENSIVE/CHEAP B > I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation > J > If you are a reseller or manufacturer of backup/utility software I would > alsdo like to hear from @ > you so we can put a plug/link/"buy it now" section on our site >   K $ MCR BACKUP$MANAGER is simple and cheap but, it doesn't do the automation   part.   H Our product, JAMS, can do the automation part although, it isn't backup $ specific (it can automate anything).  M You can get a limited, unsupported license for free or, our unlimited, fully  : supported licenses are reasonably priced.  Take a look at:   http://www.mvpsi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2006 19:24:59 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software + Message-ID: <e3temb0ub2@enews4.newsguy.com>   B David Turner, Island Computers US Corp <dbturner@icusc.com> wrote:! > Bob, I knew that,  thanks ! ;0)    David,E I hate to say it, but I think Bob has the right answer here.  I wrote G something like this in DCL.  I was able to do scheduling with different L backups levels, and even drove a small Exabyte Jukebox.  I was even planningI on adding a file history database when I ended up stopping working on it.   ; VMS Backup really is the answer here, it's a terrific tool!   + The following webpage might be of interest: 9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/storage/enterprise.html   H BTW, you are going to let us know what the final solution ends up being, right?   	Zane    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:37:18 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software ) Message-ID: <e3titu$bu7$1@news.BelWue.DE>    In article <Leq8g.38342$Kn4.34127@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> writes:  >Bob, I knew that,  thanks ! ;0)  L We wrote a program that has to be run once a week. You specify the disks youK want to backup and when the backup should run in a config file. The program J then tells you what to put into the library, prints a data sheet and keepsN track of the logs and submits the batch jobs. A single batch job is controlled by a DCL template.  G It is nothing that we ever intended to sell, but if there is a need ;-)    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   > ------> config file >---------------------------------------->
 LAST PATH : 1  START-TIME: 21:00  END-TIME  : 09:00  QUEUE     : MPI3_BATCH LAST-CMD  : @send_notice$ QUALIFIER : /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION   TAPE-DESCRIPTION:  # Tape    Tapes   Last  Single   ALL         6      4     1   USR         6      4     1   DISK-DESCRIPTION: 
 # Disk   Time    1      00:30   4      00:02   5      00:38   7      00:12   8      00:17   10     00:03   11     00:34   12     00:05   13     00:28   A      00:22   B      00:45   C      01:05   D      02:24   E      00:05   F      00:40   G      00:30   H      00:03   I      01:55   J      00:03     PATH: 1   4 # Disk  Shift   Label    Date/Time           Saveset>    1        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 21:00   08MAY06D1.BCK    >    4        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 21:30   08MAY06D4.BCK    >    5        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 21:32   08MAY06D5.BCK    >    7        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 22:10   08MAY06D7.BCK    >    8        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 22:22   08MAY06D8.BCK    >   10        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 22:39   08MAY06D10.BCK   >   11        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 22:42   08MAY06D11.BCK   >   12        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 23:16   08MAY06D12.BCK   >   13        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 23:21   08MAY06D13.BCK   >    A        0   ALL04     8-MAY-2006 23:49   08MAY06DA.BCK    >    B        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 00:11   09MAY06DB.BCK    >    D        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 00:56   09MAY06DD.BCK    >    E        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 03:20   09MAY06DE.BCK    >    F        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 03:25   09MAY06DF.BCK    >    H        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 04:05   09MAY06DH.BCK    >    I        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 04:08   09MAY06DI.BCK    >    J        0   ALL04     9-MAY-2006 06:03   09MAY06DJ.BCK    >    C        0   USR04     9-MAY-2006 06:06   09MAY06DC.BCK    >    G        0   USR04     9-MAY-2006 07:11   09MAY06DG.BCK    >    C        2   USR04    11-MAY-2006 21:00   11MAY06DC.BCK    >    G        0   USR04    11-MAY-2006 22:05   11MAY06DG.BCK    >    C        2   USR04    13-MAY-2006 21:00   13MAY06DC.BCK    >    G        0   USR04    13-MAY-2006 22:05   13MAY06DG.BCK        ? ------> DCL template >---------------------------------------->  $ SET VERIFY $ ON ERROR THEN GOTO send_log  $ SET PROCESS/PRIO=6
 $checkdev:+ $ IF F$GETDVI("mkb100:","mnt") .EQS. "TRUE" 	 $    THEN  $    WAIT 00:05  $    GOTO checkdev $ ENDIF 
 $ SET NOON $ newtape := #NEWTAPE  $ IF newtape	 $    THEN  $    loader load next  $    WAIT 00:00:10 $    rew = "/REWIND" $ ELSE $    rew = "/NOREWIND" $ ENDIF  $ WAIT 00:00:10 G $ BACKUP/NOLOG/NOCRC/GROUP=0/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOASSIST/NOALIAS/VERIFY - !   /IMAGE #disk: mkb100:#saveset -    'rew'/SAVE_SET/LABEL=#label -    /BLOCK_SIZE=32256#qualifier N $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD mkb100:           ! Spectra & Neo don't like /RELEASE_TAPEA $ #last-cmd    ! contains only a cmd in last batch of whole cycle / $ IF P1 .NES. "XXX" THEN SET ENTRY 'P1'/RELEASE 
 $send_log: $ SET NOVERIFY' $ procname = F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") . $ subname  = F$EXTRACT( 0, F$LOCATE(".COM;", -&                 procname ), procname ) $ logname  = subname + ".LOG" ( $ pos      = F$LOCATE("]", subname ) + 1/ $ subname  = "Backup LOG: " + F$EXTRACT( pos, - 1              F$LENGTH( subname ) - pos, subname ) " $ SUBMIT/NONOTIFY/NOLOG/NOPRINT/ -      PARA=("''subname'", -.  "''logname'","system") sys$login:send_log.com $ EXIT    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:43:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software 9 Message-ID: <7vSdnSOOgLhMwP_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@libcom.com>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: A > Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is  > INEXPENSIVE/CHEAP B > I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation > J > If you are a reseller or manufacturer of backup/utility software I would > alsdo like to hear from @ > you so we can put a plug/link/"buy it now" section on our site >  > Thanks >   ? Gee Dave, that's a tough question, with not much in the way of   definition of 'automation'.    How many systems?    Cluster?   How much data?  " What's the target for the backups?   Tape?    Disk?    Network?  I I backup over the network to disk on a system dedicated to that purpose.  H   Doesn't have to be, but how many systems can one guy use?  I have DCL A scripts that first submit themselves for the next night, in case  I something goes wrong, the next night is already set up.  I go for months  G without looking at things.  Not a good idea, but I don't have much VMS   activity at this time.  I If it's tape, Wayne Sewell has a product called TapeSys, I think.  Don't  F know a thing about the product.  Wayne would have to supply that info.  6 There are some other products also.  Check OpenVMS.org  F DCL can be set up to do many things.  If consulting help is required, D there are plenty of those types around, many probably not too busy. 
 Thanks HP.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:00:34 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software 0 Message-ID: <44629AC2.CFC2890B@spam.comcast.net>  / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > A > Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is  > INEXPENSIVE/CHEAP B > I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation  F My first impulse was to suggest SLS, or if HP won't sell that to you(r/ customer), then at least ABS (poor substitute).   A Look into TapeSys from SP32, also. SLS is descended from an early  version of TapeSys.   J > If you are a reseller or manufacturer of backup/utility software I would > alsdo like to hear from @ > you so we can put a plug/link/"buy it now" section on our site  + Contact me off the list or at the bootcamp.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:25:03 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software / Message-ID: <00A55800.AA3EAAFA.3@tachysoft.com>   & >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:43:32 -0400( >From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>3 >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308)  >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsP >Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software; >In-Reply-To: <nYo8g.18356$Sl4.9271@bignews1.bellsouth.net>     . >David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:B >> Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is >> INEXPENSIVE/CHEAPC >> I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation  >>  K >> If you are a reseller or manufacturer of backup/utility software I would  >> alsdo like to hear fromA >> you so we can put a plug/link/"buy it now" section on our site  >>  	 >> Thanks  >>   > @ >Gee Dave, that's a tough question, with not much in the way of  >definition of 'automation'. >  >How many systems? > 	 >Cluster?  >  >How much data?  > # >What's the target for the backups?  >  >Tape? >  >Disk? > 	 >Network?  > J >I backup over the network to disk on a system dedicated to that purpose. I >  Doesn't have to be, but how many systems can one guy use?  I have DCL  B >scripts that first submit themselves for the next night, in case J >something goes wrong, the next night is already set up.  I go for months H >without looking at things.  Not a good idea, but I don't have much VMS  >activity at this time.  > J >If it's tape, Wayne Sewell has a product called TapeSys, I think.  Don't G >know a thing about the product.  Wayne would have to supply that info.  >   O Sure, the whole point of tapesys is fully automated backups.  You never have to E deal with dcl, just create parameter files that define your backups.  K Scheduling is built in, just put the desired run time(s) into the parameter  file.     M tapesys keeps track of which tapes are in use, which are available, which are M scheduled to go to a vault or come back from a vault, and many other things.  L It maintains a history of all backups and all files in them, so that you canL restore any disk or any file on any disk with a single command.  You tell itI which disk or file you want and it presents a list of containing savesets E currently on tape, with timestamps.  You pick the one you want and it  automatically does the restore.   M Works with itanium and ods-5 disks.  Former SLS customers especially welcome. . Conversion of existing SLS databases included.   http://www.softwarepartners.com    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:54:58 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>O Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software / Message-ID: <00A5580D.39CCCAEC.5@tachysoft.com>   & >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:00:34 -0500A >From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> ' >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U)  >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsP >Subject: Re: We need a recommendation of good VMS backup (non-library) software+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii   >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > 0 >"David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote: >>  B >> Can anyone suggest a "simple to use" VMS backup package that is >> INEXPENSIVE/CHEAPC >> I know "backup" works fine but my customer wants some automation  > G >My first impulse was to suggest SLS, or if HP won't sell that to you(r  >customer),   I As long as you aren't planning to go to itanium.  sls wasn't ported.  The O currently released version of tapesys is running on itanium at several customer & sites, including former sls customers.     > B >Look into TapeSys from SP32, also. SLS is descended from an early >version of TapeSys.    ' A *very* early version, from the 1980s.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 06 19:33:18 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) K Subject: Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not ! Message-ID: <5Sqt5VwV5tOf@wvnvms>   _ In article <1147298610.745795.260710@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: G > Based upon my reading of XtRemoveTimeout() (regulat X-Windows stuff), ? > the program is doing something it shouldn't.  The argument to C > XtRemoveTimeout is a TimerID, and shouldn't be 0.  It should be a B > non-zero value returned from XtAppAddTimeOut(), where a 0 returnH > indicates that the timeout was not set (and therefore there is nothing
 > to remove).  > H > That being said, I wouldn't expect XtRemoveTimeout to crash on a value > of 0, either...   G Yes, zero shouldn't crash it, but the crash may not be specific to VMS. G A Google search turned up a similar crash on IRIS systems back in 2001. G Zero was also known to cause crashes way back in X11R3.  All the code I D have ever seen which uses XtAppAddTimeOut either validates the timer or has a safety check for zero.      George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:40:00 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> Y Subject: Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not  under 7.1-2  ; Message-ID: <4987b$44626bc1$50db5015$14556@news.hispeed.ch>    Paul Sture wrote:  > davidc@montagar.com wrote: > H >> Based upon my reading of XtRemoveTimeout() (regulat X-Windows stuff),@ >> the program is doing something it shouldn't.  The argument toD >> XtRemoveTimeout is a TimerID, and shouldn't be 0.  It should be aC >> non-zero value returned from XtAppAddTimeOut(), where a 0 return I >> indicates that the timeout was not set (and therefore there is nothing  >> to remove). >>I >> That being said, I wouldn't expect XtRemoveTimeout to crash on a value  >> of 0, either... >> >   > Looks like that to me as well. > B > Here's a pointer to a documentation page for XtAppAddTimeOut and > XtRemoveTimeout  > > > http://www-aix.gsi.de/~bio/DOCS/X11R6DOCS/Xt/XtAppAddTimeOut  D Oops - forgot a bit. Try Googling for "xtappaddtimeout example" for 	 examples.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2006 15:03:30 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com W Subject: Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 C Message-ID: <1147298610.745795.260710@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E Based upon my reading of XtRemoveTimeout() (regulat X-Windows stuff), = the program is doing something it shouldn't.  The argument to A XtRemoveTimeout is a TimerID, and shouldn't be 0.  It should be a @ non-zero value returned from XtAppAddTimeOut(), where a 0 returnF indicates that the timeout was not set (and therefore there is nothing to remove).   F That being said, I wouldn't expect XtRemoveTimeout to crash on a value of 0, either...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:41:39 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>W Subject: Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 , Message-ID: <44624ffe$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I XtRemoveTimeOut() takes the timer ID returned by XtAppAddTimeOut().  Xlib I and XT were upgraded to X11R6.x in V7.3-2 - so your error is probably not  being silently ignored.   < Why not just fix the bug in your code and pass the timer ID?      A "Z" <Z@ids.net> wrote in message news:Uqr8g.39$2I1.11@fe05.lga... C > I have an X-windows GUI app written originally for VMS 7.1-2 that F > accvios under 7.3-2 when it calls XtRemoveTimeOut with a value of 0. > F > Running under 7.1-2, the call to XtRemoveTimeOut() with a value of 0 > works fine (i.e.: no accvio).  > H > But running under 7.3-2 I get an accvio on the XtRemoveTimeOut() call. > G > I'd like to check the VMS-specific X windows (or is this considered a J > part of Motif?) manual with proper usage documented to determine if this > is bad code or not.  > 0 > I've been through the documentation area here:J > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ a few times and came up empty. Can anyoneJ > point me to either a PDF or HTML version of the VMS-specific manual that > contains XtRemoveTimeOut()?  > F > Also, how can I find out of there's an update for the xtlib on 7.3-2 > that I can apply to fix this?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:46:59 -0700  From: Z <Z@ids.net> Y Subject: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 7.1-2 & Message-ID: <Uqr8g.39$2I1.11@fe05.lga>  B I have an X-windows GUI app written originally for VMS 7.1-2 that D accvios under 7.3-2 when it calls XtRemoveTimeOut with a value of 0.  E Running under 7.1-2, the call to XtRemoveTimeOut() with a value of 0   works fine (i.e.: no accvio).   F But running under 7.3-2 I get an accvio on the XtRemoveTimeOut() call.  F I'd like to check the VMS-specific X windows (or is this considered a I part of Motif?) manual with proper usage documented to determine if this   is bad code or not.   / I've been through the documentation area here:  I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ a few times and came up empty. Can anyone  I point me to either a PDF or HTML version of the VMS-specific manual that   contains XtRemoveTimeOut()?   E Also, how can I find out of there's an update for the xtlib on 7.3-2   that I can apply to fix this?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:18:35 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: XtRemoveTimeOut() with value of 0 accvios under 7.3-2, but not under 7.1-2 u 0 Message-ID: <Lhw8g.358$Co4.261@news.cpqcorp.net>   Z wrote:D > I have an X-windows GUI app written originally for VMS 7.1-2 that F > accvios under 7.3-2 when it calls XtRemoveTimeOut with a value of 0. ... 1 > I've been through the documentation area here:  K > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ a few times and came up empty. Can anyone  K > point me to either a PDF or HTML version of the VMS-specific manual that   > contains XtRemoveTimeOut()?   I    Most all of the X Windows calls are only in the classic MIT or in the  ? OpenGroup X Windows manuals; they're not documented as part of  F DECwindows itself.  (There are various extensions and system-specific * calls documented in the DECwindows books.)  F    Assuming you are current with the installed DECwindows version and F with the DECwindows ECO kit (and if not, then I'd start with that), a 6 small reproducer would be useful in chasing this down.  2    www.opengroup.org likely has X docs, obviously.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.260 ************************