1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 15 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 269       Contents: FREE Work At Home Job Finder Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium * MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?. Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?. Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames  Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames 0 Re: problem with Advanced Server 6.1 (long post) Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll. : SNS Watchdog add ons (old PSW, Polycenter System Watchdog)- Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk Image 1 Re: Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk Image 1 Re: Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk Image # Re: Updated VMS information May 7th * Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work?* Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work?* Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 00:52:45 -0700% From: "bivek1" <jha.bivek1@gmail.com> % Subject: FREE Work At Home Job Finder C Message-ID: <1147679565.246981.163730@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   E Find the perfect work at home job for you using our FREE Work at home  Job Finder! B Get matched with a Home Based Job or Business Plan that suits your needs and skills. G Simply visit our website and fill in the short form to receive your Job  Match Details for FREE Today!   P http://www.typeinternational.com/idevaffiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=1319_65_3_99   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 02:04:37 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk  Subject: Re: Hobbyist on ItaniumC Message-ID: <1147683877.639380.231160@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G So, to ask the stupid question, is there any indication of what Itanium E servers VMS is "expected" to work on in an "unsupported" manner?  I'm C thinking in the same kind of manner as Multia is "expected" to work 1 with the appropriate changes but isn't supported.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:35:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium3 Message-ID: <hkqafErlOKj5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <iF19g.415$Xg5.33@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:  I >   Whether you view these prices as affordable, of course, is obviously   > relative.        I got my EV5 for $50.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2006 14:28:43 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium, Message-ID: <4crhgrF16i6hlU1@individual.net>  , In article <4468a911$1@news.langstoeger.at>,9 	peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: s > In article <hkqafErlOKj5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ` >>In article <iF19g.415$Xg5.33@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes: >>K >>>   Whether you view these prices as affordable, of course, is obviously  
 >>> relative.  >> >>    I got my EV5 for $50.  > . > And I got mine for free. What is your point?. > Nowadays, you need EV6 (and up) or ITANIC... >   G I would imagine those of us who are currently getting by on a VAX could E work with something a little less.  Just out of curiosity, can anyone 1 tell me how an XP1000 compares to a VAX 7000-640?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:58:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium+ Message-ID: <4468A530.C702992@teksavvy.com>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > I > So, to ask the stupid question, is there any indication of what Itanium G > servers VMS is "expected" to work on in an "unsupported" manner?  I'm E > thinking in the same kind of manner as Multia is "expected" to work 3 > with the appropriate changes but isn't supported.     G VMS isn't supported on all generation of IA64 things.  While VMS wasn't C supported on multia, it was supported on systems that used the same H generation Alpha chip. So the compiled code would be compatible with theL CPU in Multias. Multias just lacked the booting environment expected by VMS.  @ In the case of that IA64 thing, since VMS was never commerciallyH released on Merced generation CPUs, there is no reason for VMS engineersH to limit VMS compilation switches to still support that CPU generation. E So generated code for curent VMS releases might have some issues with  Merced generation CPUs.     E Also, one has to consider driver interfaces. As I recall, VMS on IA64 B was (is) restricted to only certain types of interfaces and deviceF driver types and relied/relies on a specific HP chipset.  If you buy aG system without that chipset, then VMS may not he able to function since % none of its device drivers will work.   H (I think the promised had been made that VMS would eventually be able toE support a wider array of IA64 things by supporting a different device  driver interface).   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 09:10:47 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk  Subject: Re: Hobbyist on ItaniumB Message-ID: <1147709447.832132.79420@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  C It'll use a lot less power and will take a lot of load off your air G con..  Performance would depend on your processing pattern and how many G things the VAX is doing at once.  I'd guess the XP1000 would still be a  tad faster though.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:37:55 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium/ Message-ID: <T%2ag.480$dJ.366@news.cpqcorp.net>    johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:   H > I'd wager that if even if you show up if you don't have an actual (andH > non-open source) application to at least attempt to port then they may5 > be reluctant let you get away with the system also.   C    Why?  If you showed up and offer to port some major open source  B application (and obviously one that isn't already ported) and set I yourself up as a business to offer services on or for the resulting port  I (as is a norm within the open source market of late), I'd tend to assume  B you'd be welcomed into one of the porting courses.  Or talk to or E contract with some existing OpenVMS VAX or OpenVMS Alpha vendor into  E porting an application for them that they've been on the fence about.   I    If you showed up and made a serious offer to port a major open source  G application, you might well get access to loaner hardware.  (There are  F various cases where HP has provided folks with the necessary hardware F and with direct engineering contacts, as part of getting a major open F source application ported to OpenVMS.  You might not necessarily hear G about them here, if for no other reason than the signal-to-noise ratio  H here in the 'groups is generally viewed as rather poor for this sort of  thing.)   I    In any event, send mail to the folks that run the porting classes, as  I is the norm for these "would be be OK if...?"  flavors of questions, and   ask the question.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)3 Subject: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? ) Message-ID: <e4a6um$jb4$1@news.BelWue.DE>    Hello,  G what is a way to have some sort of "personal share" between OpenVMS and H MacOS-X? With old AppleTalk there was Pathworks for Macintosh (MSA). NowN is there something similar with OS-X? Any ideas (besides Pathworks for Windows) and using Windows networking on the Mac)?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:33:48 +0200 ? From: "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de> 7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? 4 Message-ID: <001f01c67845$bddd20a0$0301a8c0@athlon1>  
 Hi Christoph,   
 I'm using NFS    Eberhard ----- Original Message -----  > From: "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> " Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:32 PM3 Subject: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?      > Hello, > I > what is a way to have some sort of "personal share" between OpenVMS and J > MacOS-X? With old AppleTalk there was Pathworks for Macintosh (MSA). NowI > is there something similar with OS-X? Any ideas (besides Pathworks for  	 > Windows + > and using Windows networking on the Mac)?  > 
 > Regards, >   Christoph Gartmann >  > --  F > Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie J > Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de > D-79011  Freiburg, Germany; >               http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html     ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? . Message-ID: <e4aec5$rfu$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes in article <e4a6um$jb4$1@news.BelWue.DE> dated Mon, 15 May 2006 15:32:38 +0000 (UTC):  > H >what is a way to have some sort of "personal share" between OpenVMS andI >MacOS-X? With old AppleTalk there was Pathworks for Macintosh (MSA). Now O >is there something similar with OS-X? Any ideas (besides Pathworks for Windows * >and using Windows networking on the Mac)?  L I have a cheap Linux box which I use as an NFS server for both VMS and OS X.J It functions perfectly, although I did have to play with some non-standard options to get it that way.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:28:32 GMT , From: "Paul Mosteika" <paul.mosteika@hp.com>( Subject: Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames. Message-ID: <ke0ag.464$jA.79@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   K Well these filesnames have been problematic. The file specification varies  H across the different operating systems: DOS, Unix, and OpenVMS. To make M OpenVMS MIME work with these systems that may contain "other" characters and  D mutliple dots within the filenames, these characters are changed to M underscores and MIME tries to come up with a reasonable filename - something  C that will work with temporary RMS file specifications, ODS-2 style.   < Yes MIME needs to be updated - this escaping came afterward.  K I just tried this (cut n' paste) with the latest MIME version V1.92 and it  2 also exhibits the same error with this convention.  K So someone is still here and listening. It's just that I've been busy with  0 Encrypt-AES and NFS. I hope to get back to MIME.  M I would suggest getting a copy of the latest version of MIME V1.92. While it  F may not address this problem, it certainly fixes a lot of other known  issues.   % Thank you for reporting this problem.     ,                                         Paul            ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4467F9A0.494BCC2E@teksavvy.com... > The following: > < > --0__=0ABBFBFFDFF6A7C18f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBFBFFDFF6A7C1) > Content-type: application/octet-stream; - >        name="=?ISO-8859-1?Q?DOC000=2EPDF?=" K > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="=?ISO-8859-1?Q?DOC000=2EPDF?=" # > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64  >  > L > Causes the MIME utility (VAX VMS 7.2) to barf when you open the mime file. >  > MIME> open temp.tmp J > %MIME-E-FILEERROR, file error: Filename requires a file type delimiter,  > '.' 0 > %MIME-E-NOFILNAME, file name must be specified0 > %MIME-E-NOFILNAME, file name must be specified0 > %MIME-W-NOMSGOPEN, no currently active message
 > MIME>  Exit  >  > K > This is with MIME version 1.4, dated 22-SEP-2000 08:45:11.89   (VAX VMS).  > C > One has to open the mime file and edit it to have the filename as $ > "DOC000.PDF"  and then MIME works. > B > This message had been created with Lotus Domino Release 6.5.4FP1 > F > (I am posting this so that any user who gets that error message willH > find it easier to fix the problem. I don't have much hopes of the MIMEG > utility being fixed, not sure there is someone left to maintain it.)     ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:02:05 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)( Subject: Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames2 Message-ID: <06051511020475_2020743C@antinode.org>  , From: "Paul Mosteika" <paul.mosteika@hp.com>  O > I would suggest getting a copy of the latest version of MIME V1.92. While it  H > may not address this problem, it certainly fixes a lot of other known 	 > issues.   H    Like the left-over temporary files every time I extract an attachment using "MIME Version: V1.8"?   8    And I might download a kit for VMS V7.3-2 from where?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 00:45:24 -0700- From: "mb301@hotmail.com" <mb301@hotmail.com> 9 Subject: Re: problem with Advanced Server 6.1 (long post) C Message-ID: <1147679124.554180.133690@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    Check   0 $ type pwrk$logs:pwrk$knbdaemon_<servername>.log Do you have pwip running?  Is your SAM database broken?C $ samcheck -sv  (you need to shutdown pathworks for this command to  work)  Let me know how you get on.  Mark   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:51:14 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.) Message-ID: <e49mf2$o3s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   W In article <4cm8suF168kkoU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: : >In article <JqydnUIn64PFDfjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@libcom.com>,+ >	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: H >>> You may remember I asked a few days ago about what questions I couldI >>> ask to try and find out why people choose Unix over VMS.  I tried it. G >>> Granted, my sampling size was very small and not statistically sig- I >>> nificant.  But, I think even these results are interesting.  So, here D >>> we go.  Comments/discussion of the results would be appreciated. >>>  .  .  .  > J >I have to admit to agreeing with those two of his comments (by the way, IJ >did tell him about "SHOW DEFAULT" and he admitted it made sense).  But asJ >I said, I too did not intuitively grasp "SHOW DEFAULT" and I while I knowL >how to recover from SET DEFAULT to a non-existent directory I can see whereI >this is a problem.  A command that took one back to their home directory I >(maybe something like "SET DEFAULT /HOME") would be nice.  But, wouldn't L >it make sense to not allow setting your default directory to something that >doesn't exist?  >   5 The usual way to move back to your home directory is     set def sys$login   ) but it is simple to change that by adding    define/job home sys$login:   to sylogin.com     Alpha2:sh log sys$login 4    "SYS$LOGIN" = "USER5:[DUMMY1]" (LNM$JOB_8247BC00) Alpha2:set def [.xxxx]
 Alpha2:sh def    USER5:[DUMMY1.XXXX] 1 %DCL-I-INVDEF, USER5:[DUMMY1.XXXX] does not exist    Alpha2:set def home 
 Alpha2:sh def    USER5:[DUMMY1]    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >>   >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 07:04:29 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <UJCvSSye20Vq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <e49mf2$o3s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:   > Alpha2:sh log sys$login 6 >    "SYS$LOGIN" = "USER5:[DUMMY1]" (LNM$JOB_8247BC00)  B I gather you were the first person of whom your system manager did0 not think highly, but she anticipated others :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:13:46 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <WiqtRjwB0WJ3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4cjlblF16iho2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: E > In article <1147429219.298190.242930@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > 	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:  > $ >> Too many are in love with Windows > D > Sure they are.  but not everything in a CS course of study is done  > on VMS.  Most is done on Unix.  D    My kid is doing CS now at UMD.  CS is taught on Linux or Solaris.A    He has to have a computer.  Windows or Mac or whatever as long D    as he can TELNET into the CS systems.  He has a Mac with OS X and    Linux on it.       No VMS.  No Windows.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:19:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <hauGbUY7Pbkh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <4464E2AB.5000109@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> writes:  @ >    along with a list of typical problems, like the Set Default* >    issue cited by one of the professors.  4    I have never found "set default" to be a problem.  =    It's usefull to "set default" in places that don't exists.   ?    It's usefull to "set default mua0:" (labeled tape) and treat )    the tape drive similar to a directory.   <    It's usefull to "set default node::" and treat the remote*    directory similar to a local directory.  G    It's usefull to "set default nla0:" and dig out assumptions in code.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:22:58 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <aFnZhxiGWdTY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <4cmnomF16qdnuU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   C > How is someone totally unfamiliar with VMS supposed to know about A > some obscure concept like "LOGICALS" and what all of them might  > be?   G    Obscure?  UNIX is the only OS I've used that has no similar concept.       VMS and RSX have logicals.   (    TOPS-20 and Windows have redirection.  ?    OS/360 had predefined names you could reference in DD cards.       ...   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:27:58 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <4u8FXR+6dR0t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44662E44.BE828911@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:L >> I have to admit to agreeing with those two of his comments (by the way, IE >> did tell him about "SHOW DEFAULT" and he admitted it made sense).   > J > When working in a multi-OS environment, you can help users feel familiar$ > with the following in sylogin.com:  $   No, you do it this way in .profle:      alias -x dir="/bin/ls"     alias -x setdef="cd"     alias -x help="man -k"     alias -x copy="cp"     alias -x rename="mv"   I   Or you get the user to learn about each OS he/she is using and just use H   names from other environments to do something special.  You can't makeF   UNIX look like VMS and Windows and ...; you can't make VMS look likeD   UNIX and Windows and ...; you can't make Windows look like VMS andF   UNIX and ...; you can't make ... look like VMS and UNIX and Windows;   ...    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:28:59 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <BX8SYP7d7nad@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44663850.8569DF52@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:0 >> > Of course, $ HOME :== SET DEFAULT SYS$LOGIN >>  H >> Of course, the only problem with that is that it is no different than" >> writting a local "CD" command.  > B > Face it, 99.999999% of VMS shops have defined "CD" to means "SETJ > DEFAULT".  This is one area when VMS enginers shoudl have included it by > default on VMS.   C    Perhaps in shops where you work.  None of the shops where I work     have done that.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2006 14:33:16 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4crhpbF16i6hlU2@individual.net>  3 In article <WiqtRjwB0WJ3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y > In article <4cjlblF16iho2U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: F >> In article <1147429219.298190.242930@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  >> 	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: >>  % >>> Too many are in love with Windows  >>  E >> Sure they are.  but not everything in a CS course of study is done ! >> on VMS.  Most is done on Unix.  > F >    My kid is doing CS now at UMD.  CS is taught on Linux or Solaris.C >    He has to have a computer.  Windows or Mac or whatever as long F >    as he can TELNET into the CS systems.  He has a Mac with OS X and >    Linux on it.  >  >    No VMS.  No Windows.   K I think the requirement that students have their own computers today pretty H much assumes they will have Windows and the necessary applications to doJ their non-CS work.  Of course there is no VMS, but then, that is the trend we are talking about reversing.    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:41:38 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.9 Message-ID: <1sydne7U9bbbPfXZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:N > In article <4464E2AB.5000109@triumf.ca>, Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> writes: > A >>    along with a list of typical problems, like the Set Default + >>    issue cited by one of the professors.  > 6 >    I have never found "set default" to be a problem. > ? >    It's usefull to "set default" in places that don't exists.  > A >    It's usefull to "set default mua0:" (labeled tape) and treat + >    the tape drive similar to a directory.  > > >    It's usefull to "set default node::" and treat the remote, >    directory similar to a local directory. > I >    It's usefull to "set default nla0:" and dig out assumptions in code.  >   G Many years ago I worked with RSTS/E.  I didn't think it could get much  B better.  Very easy to use, and so user friendly.  Or so I thought.  E Then I had to learn to work with VAX/VMS.  The first two months were  E spent thinking about how so many things were so much easier on RSTS.  E That's how long it took for me to realize why I was feeling that way.   F On RSTS, there is a set number of things you can do, and usually only C one way to do those things.  It's 'user friendliness' was actually  D restrictive.  When I learned how much more, in so many more ways, I G could do on VMS, I never looked back.  That's some of the strengths of  H VMS, it's robust environment.  Much more flexibility.  I had to get out G of the straight-jacket before being able to see that I had been in one.   D Now the question is, is there something better than VMS.  I like to G think my eyes are more open these days.  Possibly not.  I haven't seen  G anything with the flexibility, robustness, ease of use (once you learn  E it), and strength of VMS.  Yes, windows has a decent user interface.  H That's not enough.  When you see an iceburg, you only see the tip above  water.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:48:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.9 Message-ID: <doydnSRbnN9lPPXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:^ > In article <44663850.8569DF52@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: 0 >>>> Of course, $ HOME :== SET DEFAULT SYS$LOGINI >>> Of course, the only problem with that is that it is no different than # >>> writting a local "CD" command.  C >> Face it, 99.999999% of VMS shops have defined "CD" to means "SET K >> DEFAULT".  This is one area when VMS enginers shoudl have included it by  >> default on VMS. > E >    Perhaps in shops where you work.  None of the shops where I work  >    have done that. >   F I really need to turn in my math degree.  That 99.999999% would allow ; only one in a billion VMS shops to not have CD implemented.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:46:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.9 Message-ID: <doydnSVbnN_iPPXZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:^ > In article <44663850.8569DF52@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: 0 >>>> Of course, $ HOME :== SET DEFAULT SYS$LOGINI >>> Of course, the only problem with that is that it is no different than # >>> writting a local "CD" command.  C >> Face it, 99.999999% of VMS shops have defined "CD" to means "SET K >> DEFAULT".  This is one area when VMS enginers shoudl have included it by  >> default on VMS. > E >    Perhaps in shops where you work.  None of the shops where I work  >    have done that. >   E I wonder if JF realizes how many systems could exist without 'CD' to  H meet his 99.999999%?  What is that, one in every million?  How many VMS ) systems have been sold?  Several million?   F I see he wrote "VMS shops".  Even less than the number of VMS systems 
 ever sold.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:51:11 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.9 Message-ID: <doydnSdbnN8cP_XZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:Y > In article <4cmnomF16qdnuU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > D >> How is someone totally unfamiliar with VMS supposed to know aboutB >> some obscure concept like "LOGICALS" and what all of them might >> be? > I >    Obscure?  UNIX is the only OS I've used that has no similar concept.  >  >    VMS and RSX have logicals.  > * >    TOPS-20 and Windows have redirection.  L Ok, I'll be the 'straight' guy.  What in windoz are you calling redirection?  A >    OS/360 had predefined names you could reference in DD cards.  >  >    ... >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 10:58:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <28yU46pQRtG0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J In article <e49tm2$q5u$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:e > In article <UJCvSSye20Vq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: L >>In article <e49mf2$o3s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >> >>> Alpha2:sh log sys$login 8 >>>    "SYS$LOGIN" = "USER5:[DUMMY1]" (LNM$JOB_8247BC00) >>D >>I gather you were the first person of whom your system manager did2 >>not think highly, but she anticipated others :-) > Q > No I am the system manager and setup these accounts myself for testing purposes + > - so I'm only a dummy some of the time :)  > Q > (In fact thinking about it I think that it was my predecessor as system manager K > about 15 years ago who first used the dummyn nomenclature on the then Vax 
 > systems)  J The example could be a VAX for all we know -- "Alpha2" could be the promptE set up by a VAX user whom the system manager has rated as "dummy" :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 11:00:36 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.3 Message-ID: <v5+$qLtri5To@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <hauGbUY7Pbkh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   I >    It's usefull to "set default nla0:" and dig out assumptions in code.   * $ SEARCH SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.COM MISSING: $set default missing:[missing] $set default missing:[missing]   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:03:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4468A63B.8C9587A3@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:D > > Face it, 99.999999% of VMS shops have defined "CD" to means "SET  E >    Perhaps in shops where you work.  None of the shops where I work  >    have done that.  E OK, that is two or three people who said they don't have "CD". So the " percentage drops to 96.8736 %? :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:12:30 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.> Message-ID: <OL1ag.148424$tc.139548@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Koehler wrote:  Y > In article <4cmnomF16qdnuU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >  > C >>How is someone totally unfamiliar with VMS supposed to know about A >>some obscure concept like "LOGICALS" and what all of them might  >>be?  >  > I >    Obscure?  UNIX is the only OS I've used that has no similar concept.  >  >    VMS and RSX have logicals.  > * >    TOPS-20 and Windows have redirection.  D TOPS-20 also had logicals (DEFINE command strangely enough). So did 0 TOPS-10 but not as complete (the ASSIGN command)  A >    OS/360 had predefined names you could reference in DD cards.  >  >    ... >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:24:02 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.) Message-ID: <e4a9v2$18o$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <28yU46pQRtG0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: K >In article <e49tm2$q5u$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: f >> In article <UJCvSSye20Vq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:M >>>In article <e49mf2$o3s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  >>>  >>>> Alpha2:sh log sys$login9 >>>>    "SYS$LOGIN" = "USER5:[DUMMY1]" (LNM$JOB_8247BC00)  >>> E >>>I gather you were the first person of whom your system manager did 3 >>>not think highly, but she anticipated others :-)  >>  R >> No I am the system manager and setup these accounts myself for testing purposes, >> - so I'm only a dummy some of the time :) >>  R >> (In fact thinking about it I think that it was my predecessor as system managerL >> about 15 years ago who first used the dummyn nomenclature on the then Vax >> systems)  > K >The example could be a VAX for all we know -- "Alpha2" could be the prompt F >set up by a VAX user whom the system manager has rated as "dummy" :-)  N In which case this hypothetical system manager must also have set things up so8 that my usenet posts came from  david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 09:39:31 -0700  From: jd-junkmail@mindspring.comC Subject: SNS Watchdog add ons (old PSW, Polycenter System Watchdog) C Message-ID: <1147711171.288048.314260@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D Along time ago in a galaxy far, far away there was a repository, WEBA site, forum or whatever which contained shared procedures for SNS C Watchdog. It was also called PolyCenter System Watchdog (PSW), CA's , WatchIT and now System Watchdog for OpenVMS.  D Our site has reinlisted Watchdog because it is already paid for in a! bundle w/ good ol' DEC Scheduler.   C I was wondering if any of you folks have or know where I can get my E hands on procedures people have shared over the years, to make up for E what Watchdog was/is lacking?  For instance Watchdog does not monitor F security intrusions or host availability via TCP/IP. Nor does it checkE system resource usage such as disk window turns, process in COM state 	 high etc.   F So if you have any of these procedure or know where I can lay my handsF on them, it will be greatly appreciated.  I'd rather not re-invent the trash compactor. Thanks    jd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:45:16 +0100 * From: Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk>6 Subject: Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk Image. Message-ID: <e4ab6s$k74$1@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk>   Afternoon folks,F 	I'm trying to upgrade my Hobbyist-licensed VAX 4000-500 from OpenVMS G 7.2 to 7.3. I have the 7.2 install media but unfortunately not the 7.3  I media. All I have is a 523MB file called 'vaxvms073.img' that I'm unsure   what to do with.  H Trying to mount it as an ISO9660 image on my various *nix boxen results F in unknown file-system type errors and cdwriting software on *nix and  Windows also refuses.   E Parsing the file through 'strings' on a linux box shows that there's  K obviously a file structure contained within it. The first few lines follow:   /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B /              VAXVMS073               DECFILE11B 
 000000.DIR
 BACKUP.SYS
 BADBLK.SYS
 BADLOG.SYS
 BITMAP.SYS
 CONTIN.SYS ...   E I'm at a loss as to what format this file is in and how I can get it  / into a usable state to upgrade my machine with.   E Ideally I'd like to be able to burn this to a CD I can boot from and  I upgrade or install my machine with. Failing that I'd be happy if I could  C boot stand alone backup and restore from this if it's some sort of  
 backup image.   - Thanks in advance for any help/ideas offered.    Gary   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 10:33:40 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> : Subject: Re: Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk ImageC Message-ID: <1147714420.078751.216560@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Gary Parker wrote: > Afternoon folks,G > 	I'm trying to upgrade my Hobbyist-licensed VAX 4000-500 from OpenVMS H > 7.2 to 7.3. I have the 7.2 install media but unfortunately not the 7.3J > media. All I have is a 523MB file called 'vaxvms073.img' that I'm unsure > what to do with. > I > Trying to mount it as an ISO9660 image on my various *nix boxen results G > in unknown file-system type errors and cdwriting software on *nix and  > Windows also refuses.  > ...   9 It's not an ISO. But that doesn't mean you can't burn it.    > / > Thanks in advance for any help/ideas offered.  >  > Gary   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:48:12 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis): Subject: Re: Trying to upgrade to 7.3 - Strange Disk Image. Message-ID: <e4aess$rfu$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   Gary Parker <g.j.parker@lboro.ac.uk> writes in article <e4ab6s$k74$1@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk> dated Mon, 15 May 2006 17:45:16 +0100: >Afternoon folks, G >	I'm trying to upgrade my Hobbyist-licensed VAX 4000-500 from OpenVMS  H >7.2 to 7.3. I have the 7.2 install media but unfortunately not the 7.3 J >media. All I have is a 523MB file called 'vaxvms073.img' that I'm unsure  >what to do with.   F It's probably a Files-11 image.  Here are a couple of ways to boot it:  J 1.  If you have a bootable CD drive on your VAX, use a *nix system to burnK the .img file to a CD (same as if it were a .iso file).  I use "cdrecord".  ( Then put the CD in your VAX and boot it.  H 2.  If you have an extra disk on your VAX, boot your 7.2 system and loadJ LDDRIVER (available on the net and on the Freeware CDs, I think).  "Mount"G the .img file as a LD disk, then do an image backup to your spare disk. ) Shutdown the VAX and boot the spare disk.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:09:48 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Updated VMS information May 7th3 Message-ID: <owrioIelikdU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <446628D3.D38EE661@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: G >> I'm not sure what the bottleneck is as far as latency goes with DSL.  > G > Have VMS engineers published what the maximum latency is for SCS in a  > cluster ?   F    I think that's tunable via SYSGEN parameters, so look there and see    how far you can strech them.   C    Of course, you might not want your cluster to wait that long too     often in real life.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:04:33 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work? 3 Message-ID: <Itkkyh9K176x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <gX09g.52$qq4.17@news.oracle.com>, lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes: > 7 > (Anyone know if/when TOPS implemented indexed files?)   /    TOPS-10 and -20 had byte-stream file sytems.   D    I used TOPS-20 after TOPS engineers admitted that they had mergedG    common parts of the Fortran, Cobol, and Pascal I/O libraries to form E    an RMS.  Although I never used the last version of TOPS-20, I only ?    recall support for things like more networking in the latter     releases.  E    The last major changes I recall actually using were:  DECnet Phase L    IV, storing the passwords in an "unreversable" encryption and adding EDT.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 May 2006 08:08:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work? 3 Message-ID: <h1EWcu3+zwO+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <eevd621mrm0fct90glbsdha050oh8jkhco@4ax.com>, Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> writes:G > I gotta say, what I wouldn't give for that li'l jewel of a feature to F > be available on other operating systems. BTrieve and everything elseC > is fine but requires too much work on the part of the programmer. E > With indexed files, you open them, you map them, you read them, you ? > write them, you're done.  A nice black-box DLL for Windows or ? > something similar for Unix would/could be a real money-maker.   E    DEC shipped a subset of Ingress in the last few releases of Ultrix     to address this need.  E    HP and Sun shipped a VAX-Fortran compatable f77 compiler for HP-UX F    and Solaris which eventually did support the VMS extensions to the F    I/O statements to handle indexed files.  I assume this is hidden in    the f77 library.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:09:56 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>3 Subject: Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work? = Message-ID: <oJ1ag.148422$tc.22836@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bob Koehler wrote:x > In article <gX09g.52$qq4.17@news.oracle.com>, lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes: > 7 >>(Anyone know if/when TOPS implemented indexed files?)  >  > 1 >    TOPS-10 and -20 had byte-stream file sytems.   H Well TOPS-10 was really just block I/O with the user managing their own G buffers for byte streams. TOPS-20 fully supported byte stream I/O with  D bytes of any length (7 bit ascii the most common). TOPS-20 also did  memory mapped file I/O.   F >    I used TOPS-20 after TOPS engineers admitted that they had mergedI >    common parts of the Fortran, Cobol, and Pascal I/O libraries to form G >    an RMS.  Although I never used the last version of TOPS-20, I only   D I think the only time I recall using RMS on TOPS-20 was in a simple ) Basic+2 program just to see if it worked.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.269 ************************