1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 272       Contents: ACCVIO on BACKUP Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP Re: Compressing backup file  Re: Cross-architecture booting Re: Cross-architecture booting Re: Cross-architecture booting Re: Cross-architecture booting Re: Cross-architecture booting Re: Cross-architecture booting0 Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports4 Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports4 Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports4 Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports4 Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial portsP Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re: OT: Intel Hardware Question  Re: Hardware Question  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium B Re: Logical Names and Symbols (was: Re: Results of my straw poll.). Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?. Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?! MCHKMCHK Bugcheck in VMS VAX V6.2  Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames  Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames H OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor to Speak on Safe Computing in Nashua, NHL Re: OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor to Speak on Safe Computing in Nashua, NH" Oracle 10G Client Tools on OpenVMS& Re: Oracle 10G Client Tools on OpenVMS1 Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMD 1 Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMD 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server F Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server [cf: Multinet] Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.   Re: The EDU Program (once again)  Re: The EDU Program (once again) Re: version numbers with gzip  Re: version numbers with gzip  Re: version numbers with gzip  Re: version numbers with gzip  Re: version numbers with gzip * Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work?* Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:39:41 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>  Subject: ACCVIO on BACKUP 6 Message-ID: <N%oag.17802$TT.4892@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  L I'm getting a couple of new DS25 systems ready for production.  On occasion,K I see this error while copying the image of the system disk to another disk  on the same SCSI bus:   ; $ backup/image/ignore=interlock sys$sysdevice: $201$DKA200: ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual : address=FFFFFFFFFFFF0029, PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000 $   I I've only seen it on one of the systems.  Repeating the same command will K usually produce a successful backup.  All other aspects of system operation E appears normal.  The virtual address is not the same with each error.   * OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 w/VMS732_UPDATE-V0500  & Anyone have any ideas as to the cause?   -Jeff    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:47:25 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP Q Message-ID: <OFA29278A9.3C9DFCD8-ON85257170.006C9A23-85257170.006CAE7A@metso.com>   J "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote on 05/16/2006 02:39:41 PM:  D > I'm getting a couple of new DS25 systems ready for production.  On	 occasion, H > I see this error while copying the image of the system disk to another disk > on the same SCSI bus:  > = > $ backup/image/ignore=interlock sys$sysdevice: $201$DKA200: = > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual < > address=FFFFFFFFFFFF0029, PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000 > $  > K > I've only seen it on one of the systems.  Repeating the same command will C > usually produce a successful backup.  All other aspects of system 	 operation G > appears normal.  The virtual address is not the same with each error.  > , > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 w/VMS732_UPDATE-V0500 > ( > Anyone have any ideas as to the cause?  C Have you checked the error logs for a H/W error, especially Memory?    >  > -Jeff  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:04:58 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>  Subject: Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP 6 Message-ID: <Kfqag.18705$TT.3974@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  ) <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OFA29278A9.3C9DFCD8-ON85257170.006C9A23-85257170.006CAE7A@metso.com...  >  > L > "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote on 05/16/2006 02:39:41 PM: > F > > I'm getting a couple of new DS25 systems ready for production.  On > occasion, J > > I see this error while copying the image of the system disk to another > disk > > on the same SCSI bus:  > > ? > > $ backup/image/ignore=interlock sys$sysdevice: $201$DKA200: ? > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual > > > address=FFFFFFFFFFFF0029, PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000 > > $  > > H > > I've only seen it on one of the systems.  Repeating the same command willE > > usually produce a successful backup.  All other aspects of system  > operation I > > appears normal.  The virtual address is not the same with each error.  > > . > > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 w/VMS732_UPDATE-V0500 > > * > > Anyone have any ideas as to the cause? > E > Have you checked the error logs for a H/W error, especially Memory?   G Yes, there are no hardware errors.  I'm using Volume Sahdowing on these K disks and that seems to run fine as well.  The only oddity is the ACCVIO on  BACKUP.    >  > > 	 > > -Jeff  > >  > >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:09:42 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP > Message-ID: <aRtag.72871$F_3.70343@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>   SCSI termination issue?    There is an update v 6 out now.    --       Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail     : "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message0 news:N%oag.17802$TT.4892@twister.nyroc.rr.com...D > I'm getting a couple of new DS25 systems ready for production.  On	 occasion, H > I see this error while copying the image of the system disk to another disk > on the same SCSI bus:  > = > $ backup/image/ignore=interlock sys$sysdevice: $201$DKA200: = > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual < > address=FFFFFFFFFFFF0029, PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000 > $  > K > I've only seen it on one of the systems.  Repeating the same command will C > usually produce a successful backup.  All other aspects of system 	 operation G > appears normal.  The virtual address is not the same with each error.  > , > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 w/VMS732_UPDATE-V0500 > ( > Anyone have any ideas as to the cause? >  > -Jeff  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:36:51 -0400 + From: Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> $ Subject: Re: Compressing backup file8 Message-ID: <0ehk62lfr1bfa8ug8nnc5l0h02kdemgdh9@4ax.com>  F On 14 May 2006 06:55:30 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:@ >In response to recent incidents, the proposal for Revision 1 of? >NIST Special Publication 800-53 includes a suggested rule that  >backups must be encrypted.  > A >As has been discussed here, compression of encrypted data is not  >effective.   A True, but maybe the encryption should come after the compression?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 15:07:05 -0700/ From: "mpocciot@gmail.com" <mpocciot@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting C Message-ID: <1147817225.759091.235860@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello Mezei,   Thanks for your reply.F I've been reading these manuals. That's where my confusion comes from:   10.5.2 Usage NotesC Consider the following guidelines when using the cross-architecture  booting  feature:@ =B7 The OpenVMS software installation and upgrade procedures are architectureG specific. The operating system must be installed and upgraded on a disk < that is directly accessible from a system of the appropriate
 architecture. < Configuring a boot server with a system disk of the opposite architecture5 involves three distinct system management procedures: A - Installation of the operating system on a disk that is directly 
 accessible' from a system of the same architecture. B - Moving the resulting system disk so that it is accessible by the target boot G server. Depending on the specific configuration, this can be done using 8 the Backup utility or by physically relocating the disk.D - Setting up the boot server's network database to service satellite bootD requests. Sample procedures for performing this step are included in Section 10.5.3.   E It appears that the installation needs to be done on the VAX and then  "moved" to the boot server.  Since my VAX is diskless....  E I have a DECStation 5000 as well. Is the installation model specific? F Can I install on a disk on the DECstation, move that disk to the Alpha; and then boot the VAX out of it??? That would be something!    Marcio   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:33:35 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting . Message-ID: <3rsag.583$Uk1.0@news.cpqcorp.net>   mpocciot@gmail.com wrote:   G > It appears that the installation needs to be done on the VAX and then  > "moved" to the boot server.  > Since my VAX is diskless....  H    Correct.  Installation and upgrades are architecture-specific, which D means you have to move disks around.  The performance of a diskless H system is going to be rather low (even for a VAX :-), as you are paging G your virtual memory across the network, in addition to everything else  B that has to travel over the network.  If you can at all manage to E acquire a disk for this system, do seriously consider starting there.   B    You mention a MicroVAX 3300, which is an old KA640-class Q-bus G system.   Getting a disk connected into this box -- unless you have an  F HSZ-series DSSI to SCSI adapter handy, or a similar third-party Q-bus G adapter -- is going to require scrounging up an RF-series DSSI disk or  = two.  The integrated network is also 10Mb slow Ethernet, too.   G > I have a DECStation 5000 as well. Is the installation model specific? H > Can I install on a disk on the DECstation, move that disk to the Alpha= > and then boot the VAX out of it??? That would be something!   I    A DECstation 5000 is a MIPS processor box -- DECstation 4-digit boxes  H are mostly (all?) MIPS processors, and all DECstation 3-digit boxes are B mostly (all?) Intel IA-32 processors.  The DECstation 5000 series G normally boots only ULTRIX RISC, and does not and can not boot OpenVMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:37:20 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting / Message-ID: <7cCdnZcE_a_Z_PfZ4p2dnA@libcom.com>    mpocciot@gmail.com wrote:  > Hello Mezei, >  > Thanks for your reply.H > I've been reading these manuals. That's where my confusion comes from: >  > 10.5.2 Usage NotesE > Consider the following guidelines when using the cross-architecture 	 > booting 
 > feature:@ >  The OpenVMS software installation and upgrade procedures are > architectureI > specific. The operating system must be installed and upgraded on a disk > > that is directly accessible from a system of the appropriate > architecture. > > Configuring a boot server with a system disk of the opposite > architecture7 > involves three distinct system management procedures: C > - Installation of the operating system on a disk that is directly  > accessible) > from a system of the same architecture. D > - Moving the resulting system disk so that it is accessible by the
 > target boot I > server. Depending on the specific configuration, this can be done using : > the Backup utility or by physically relocating the disk.F > - Setting up the boot server's network database to service satellite > bootF > requests. Sample procedures for performing this step are included in > Section 10.5.3.  > G > It appears that the installation needs to be done on the VAX and then  > "moved" to the boot server.  > Since my VAX is diskless.... > G > I have a DECStation 5000 as well. Is the installation model specific? H > Can I install on a disk on the DECstation, move that disk to the Alpha= > and then boot the VAX out of it??? That would be something!  >  > Marcio >   B You need to build the VAX/VMS system disk on a VAX.  As Steve has 0 mentioned, the DECStation 5000 is a MIPS system.  H However, for the most part, a VAX/VMS system disk is rather generic.  A C disk built on just about any VAX should work on any other VAX.  An  - AUTOGEN should take care of any small issues.   G Once a VAX system disk is available, an image BACKUP can be performed,  B and the Alpha can restore that image backup to any of it's disks. I Anybody, anywhere, with a VAX could make an image BACKUP of their system  F disk, send you the media, and you could restore the image and use it. ) This supposes you both have common media.   H I don't run a cluster.  What I'm going to discuss is purely conjecture, + and I think goes against what the docs say.   G A VAX/VMS CD media is bootable.  The 'B' saveset is basically a backup  I of a minimal VMS system disk.  During installation, custom modifications  D are made, but still, it's basically a bootable version of VMS.  I'd I wonder whether you could restore the 'B' saveset onto an Alpha disk, and  ? then use that to boot the VAX.  Whether you could continue the  F installation from a network booted VAX I have no idea.  Can't hurt to  try if you have the time.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:31:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting , Message-ID: <446A6EB2.CF6AFC0C@teksavvy.com>   "mpocciot@gmail.com" wrote: G > It appears that the installation needs to be done on the VAX and then  > "moved" to the boot server.  > Since my VAX is diskless....  F You could theoretically unpack the .B saveset (with BACKUP) to a emptyH drive on the Alpha, and then use cluster config on the Alpha to  add theE VAX node to the clusyer database and point its root to the [.SYS0] on  the new drive.  B This isn't "perfect". When you unpack the B saveset, it points theE startup file to a procedure that continues the installation process.  F When you use cluster config, it points the startup file to a procedureF which completes the cluster configuration. So you'll have to carefully
 manage that.    H You can then use SYSGEN on the ALPHA ( USE filename  and WRITE filename E  where "filename" is the full specification of the VAXVMSSYS.PAR file   containing the system identity).  F After unpacking the B saveset, use SYSGEN to find out the startup fileG (SYSGEN> SHOW/STARTUP ) write it down. Then do the cluster config which = will zap this info and once complete, will set the startup to G SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM, at which point, you use sysgen again to set the F startup to the orginal file and reboot. The VAX will then continue theL installation process and you give it the device name of the CD on the alpha.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 17:32:56 -0700/ From: "mpocciot@gmail.com" <mpocciot@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting C Message-ID: <1147825975.993340.171490@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   & Thanks all, this is great information.  C Only now I realized I couldn't do anything with that DECStation for , this purpose. (It is running NetBSD though).D I'll remove one of the Alpha disks, place it on an external cabinet,D connect it to a VAX Station 4000 (friend's), then install OpenVMS to
 that disk.2 After doing that I'll insert it back on the Alpha.   That should fix it, right?  ) I'll also look into the B set suggestion.    Thank you very much,   Marcio Pocciotti Juniper Networks   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2006 00:58:46 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting , Message-ID: <e4dsg6017b2@enews1.newsguy.com>  . mpocciot@gmail.com <mpocciot@gmail.com> wrote:E > Only now I realized I couldn't do anything with that DECStation for . > this purpose. (It is running NetBSD though).F > I'll remove one of the Alpha disks, place it on an external cabinet,F > connect it to a VAX Station 4000 (friend's), then install OpenVMS to > that disk.4 > After doing that I'll insert it back on the Alpha.   > That should fix it, right?  F I think it should also be possible to do this using SIMH.  Tricky, butL possible.  I believe you can even use LD to mount the SIMH disk image on theG Alpha and the use BACKUP to copy it to the target disk.  Please note, I & don't know for sure if this will work.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 14:14:29 -0700 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com9 Subject: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports C Message-ID: <1147814069.651836.276380@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   E I have a question about DECservers that hopefully some here will know = about. Over the years I've written quite a bit of software to G communicate with various serial devices. Most of it hasn't been too bad A but occasionally, like now, I find that one that should be really G simple has me stumped. I have a device that has its own transformer but G that can also pull power from the DTR and DSR lines if the wall-wart is  not plugged in.   G The device works great with a PC serial port, both with its transformer A and in parasitic mode. I can't get it to talk to a DECserver 90TL F though. I put on one of those mini breakout boxes to check the signalsA and they look the same. However, the device talks to the terminal 9 emulator program on the PC but not through the DECserver.   C I connected it to a DECserver 200MC and it also works fine there. I B would expect this behavior if the device required any modem/signalE control but the specifications state that RX, TX and GND are all that C are required. I've tried a cable with only these three and it works C fine with the PC or the DECserver 200MC but not with the 90TL. I've F also tried a nine pin cable with all the lines and the behavior is the> same-- it works with the PC and the 200MC but not on the 90TL.  D I know the problem is not a configuration problem because I have theF port setting the same on the 200MC and the 90TL and I have seven otherB different types of devices connected to the 90TL and they all workG fine. I've also tried using cables and the DB9 to RJ45 adapters I can't E get it to talk to a DECserver 90TL though. I put on one of those mini D breakout boxes to check the signals and they look the same. However,C the device talks to the terminal emulator program on the PC but not  through the DECserver.  C I connected it to a DECserver 200MC and it also works fine there. I B would expect this behavior if the device required any modem/signalE control but the specifications state that RX, TX and GND are all that C are required. I've tried a cable with only these three and it works C fine with the PC or the DECserver 200MC but not with the 90TL. I've F also tried a nine pin cable with all the lines and the behavior is the> same-- it works with the PC and the 200MC but not on the 90TL.  D I know the problem is not a configuration problem because I have theF port setting the same on the 200MC and the 90TL and I have seven otherB different types of devices connected to the 90TL and they all workD fine. I've also tried using cables and the DB9 to RJ45 adapters from? the other working devices to make sure there is no cable issue.   E On the 90TL, I've tried this with signal control enabled and disabled  but with no luck.   > Communication specs for the device are fairly straightforward: 4800,N,8,1 and no flow control.   B Does anyone know what the electrical differences are between theseG DECservers? Oh, I forgot to mention that it also works with a DECserver E 700MC. The thing is, I have multiple 90TL's so I have spares when one G dies. My 700 is dying and I only have one 200MC. Also, the 90TL's use a 3 lot less power, so I prefer to use them when I can.     Any input would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:22:56 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>= Subject: Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports 0 Message-ID: <4hsag.581$Uk1.193@news.cpqcorp.net>   mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: 5 > ...I have a device that has its own transformer but I > that can also pull power from the DTR and DSR lines if the wall-wart is  > not plugged in.  > I > The device works great with a PC serial port, both with its transformer C > and in parasitic mode. I can't get it to talk to a DECserver 90TL H > though. I put on one of those mini breakout boxes to check the signalsC > and they look the same. However, the device talks to the terminal ; > emulator program on the PC but not through the DECserver.   
    IIRC...  E    The signaling used for this box is DEC423 (EIA423/RS423) terminal  H leads only.  This box doesn't have signaling support for modems, either.  C    EIA232/RS232 is officially rated for cable runs up to somewhere  I around about 50 feet, max.  I remember all sorts of trouble with devices  F with specs-compliant line drivers, and swapping the longer cable runs E over to devices that had line drivers with substantially more power.  I '423 is mostly compatible with 232 but good for rather longer distances,  - which has usually been the point of using it.   E Regardless, I would not expect a serial device to power particularly   much via DTR/DSR.   K    Is the device expecting '423, or is it expecting EIA232/RS232 signaling?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 16:13:32 -0700 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com= Subject: Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports C Message-ID: <1147821211.931843.210230@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G The device is meant to be connected to a PC serial port so I guess just B RS-232. The line length is not an issue as it's about five feet ofE CAT5e cable. I soldered the two return lines together like the normal E RS232 adapters do. Also, I don't think the DTR/DSR power has anything D to do with it either since the device works with only TX, RX and GNDG connected on: a PC, DECserver 700MC, DECserver 200MC and serial port on  back of Alpha.  ? There is no flow control and no hardware signaling is required.    Bill   ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 17:09:09 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com = Subject: Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports B Message-ID: <1147824549.254867.43030@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  F Make sure your pin-outs are correct, since this device is not a 25-pin5 or 9-pin D connector as are the others you mentioned.   ? Here's an Owner Manual for the 90TL on the web, page 62 has the 7 connector pin-out, and some of the follownig pages have  connector/adapter pin-outs.   G http://www.xenya.si/sup/info/digital/MDS/jun99/Cd2/NETWORK/DSRVEOM1.PDF    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:40:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: Electrical differences in DECserver serial ports , Message-ID: <446A70FF.39814877@teksavvy.com>   mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: G > RS232 adapters do. Also, I don't think the DTR/DSR power has anything F > to do with it either since the device works with only TX, RX and GND > connected on:   : If you put a break out box on the 90TL only, do any of the% DTR/DSR/CTS/RTS lines get any power ?     F Even if the terminal server isn't configured to have modem signals, itF will often send power out of lines such as DTR and that can power yourH unit. But if the 90TL doesn't send any power out of any leads, then your unit may not function.  @ RS423 and RS323 are generally compatible in terms of signals forG transmit/receive, except 422 has separatre ground for send and receive. . (which you can tie together to get on ground).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:42:05 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> Y Subject: Re: H P To Launch Multi Million Dollar Ad Campaign For The PC [WAS Re: OT: Intel 0 Message-ID: <hrtag.588$jq1.450@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dan Notov wrote:J > HP has grabbed market share from Dell in the PC market. In Q1 FY06 HP's H > Personal Systems Group doubled their profit over the same period last  > year, to nearly $300M.  B And this trend continued, based on Q2FY06 results announced today.    From MarketWatch:h http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BFC4E07F3%2D27FB%2D46F3%2D8662%2DA8040D970687%7DI "More attention than usual was given to H-P's report due to a warning on  I May 8 from the company's top PC rival, Dell Inc. At that time, Dell said  I that aggressive pricing late in the quarter cut into it projected profit  , and caused it to lower its revenue forecast.  I As a result, Dell's warning left many analysts and fund managers anxious  D about what H-P would say about its business -- and pleased that H-P ? seemed able to avoid those issues that affected Dell's quarter.   F "I'm kind of relieved," said Robert Bacarella, manager of the Monetta I Select Technology Fund. "It seems that Dell is just not up to snuff with  H H-P, and this report shows who is doing the right things in the market." ... H At American Technology Research, analyst Shaw Wu said "the numbers look H good, especially compared to Dell. Their personal-systems group (sales) B are up year over year, and enterprise (sales) also looked better." ...  Focus on fundamentals   C Among its main business areas, H-P said its personal-systems group  D posted an operating profit of $248 million, on sales of $7 billion. I During the year-ago quarter, the division earned $147 million on revenue   of $6.4 billion.  I It was the first look into H-P's personal-systems group since technology  I research firm Gartner Inc. showed H-P's share of the worldwide PC market  E in the first quarter of the year climbing to 14.9% from 13.8% a year  H ago. By contrast, Dell's worldwide share slipped to 16.5% from 16.9% in  the year-ago quarter." ... E "We gained share, but that's not our sole objective," Hurd said. "We   want to run a better business."    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 15:05:32 -0500' From: jim@info2.uah.edu (Jim McCullars)  Subject: Hardware Question( Message-ID: <e4dbac$3uh$1@info2.uah.edu>  
 Greetings:  I    This is not strictly a VMS question, but I didn't see any other groups % that may apply.  Sorry if this is OT.   H    We have an HP Alpha Server ES40 that has an internally-connected (viaG SCSI adapters) MSL5026 tape library system that we use for backups.  We D also have an EVA 3000 that is connected to the ES40 via FC adapters.F We're about to upgrade to an ES47 and I would like to move the MSL5026E to the EVA 3000 rather than having it connected directly to the Alpha 6 box.  Can someone answer a couple of questions for me?  K    1.) Can the MSL5026 be connected to an EVA switch?  What kind of part or  adapter would I need?   H    2.) Could the MSL be presented to VMS as a tape backup device for theF purposes of backing up disk volumes that are local to the Alpha server+ (i.e., those that are not part of the EVA)?       Thanks for any advice...   
 Jim McCullars # University of Alabama in Huntsville    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 13:22:29 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: Hardware QuestionB Message-ID: <1147810949.049663.10090@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Jim McCullars wrote: > Greetings: > K >    This is not strictly a VMS question, but I didn't see any other groups ' > that may apply.  Sorry if this is OT.  > J >    We have an HP Alpha Server ES40 that has an internally-connected (viaI > SCSI adapters) MSL5026 tape library system that we use for backups.  We F > also have an EVA 3000 that is connected to the ES40 via FC adapters.H > We're about to upgrade to an ES47 and I would like to move the MSL5026G > to the EVA 3000 rather than having it connected directly to the Alpha 8 > box.  Can someone answer a couple of questions for me? > M >    1.) Can the MSL5026 be connected to an EVA switch?  What kind of part or  > adapter would I need?  > J >    2.) Could the MSL be presented to VMS as a tape backup device for theH > purposes of backing up disk volumes that are local to the Alpha server- > (i.e., those that are not part of the EVA)?  >  >    Thanks for any advice...  >  > Jim McCullars % > University of Alabama in Huntsville    Jim,G    Another decent place to try questions like this is on the HP site at B the IT Resource Center.  They have VMS and Storage related forums.G Click this link http://www1.itrc.hp.com then click on the "Fourms" link  about halfway down the page.  D That said, I'm sure  you will get a couple of responses here too.  IG don't know the exact answers to your question, never having worked with G an EVA storage platform before.  I do have a small SAN with HSG80's.  I F have two tape libraries connected in through a peice of equipment (nowF retired) called a Modular Data Router.  This lets me present the tapesD to my VMS systems and they work pretty much as if the libraries were? directly connected to the machines.  The latest version of this C hardware is called a Network Data Router (I think) and I beleive it C works similarly.  It is connected to the SAN switch rather than the E HSG's (Or the EVA, I assume) so any hosts on the SAN can access it if  the zoning is done properly.     John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 23:02:31 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium+ Message-ID: <e4dlm71k5t@enews2.newsguy.com>   - Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote: C >    PHP, Perl and a Ruby port are also all available for OpenVMS,  7 > depending on the particular application requirements.   L I've played with PHP on my PWS433au and it seems just fine, same with Perl. K I don't remember even seeing Ruby.  What I'm interested in on the XP1000 is L Python performance.  I was interested in using it for a project, the problem< is "Hello, World" takes 10 seconds to run on my PWS433au :^(  I >    And if you are configuring your own CD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW or DVD-R/RW  H > drives, do ensure you get one that the AlphaStation XP1000 series can F > boot from -- some of the newer IDE/ATAPI drives (which are and were J > never officially supported on the box) can't support bootstraps on this  > platform.   J How can you tell which ones it will work on?  I'm in the market for one ofH the 667Mhz XP1000's, as after 6+ years, I think it is time to retire the& PWS433au and move to something faster.  & Also, will HVD SCSI work in an XP1000?   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:40:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium) Message-ID: <op.s9n306sizgicya@hyrrokkin>   @ On Tue, 16 May 2006 16:02:31 -0700, <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  / > Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote: C >>    PHP, Perl and a Ruby port are also all available for OpenVMS, 8 >> depending on the particular application requirements. > I > I've played with PHP on my PWS433au and it seems just fine, same with    > Perl. L > I don't remember even seeing Ruby.  What I'm interested in on the XP1000   > isH > Python performance.  I was interested in using it for a project, the  	 > problem > > is "Hello, World" takes 10 seconds to run on my PWS433au :^( > I >>    And if you are configuring your own CD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW or DVD-R/RW H >> drives, do ensure you get one that the AlphaStation XP1000 series canF >> boot from -- some of the newer IDE/ATAPI drives (which are and wereJ >> never officially supported on the box) can't support bootstraps on this >> platform. > K > How can you tell which ones it will work on?  I'm in the market for one    > ofJ > the 667Mhz XP1000's, as after 6+ years, I think it is time to retire the( > PWS433au and move to something faster.K Well you can reset the speed on the 433au to 600  by changing a couple of    dip  switches > ( > Also, will HVD SCSI work in an XP1000?  J Yes.  BTW, the XP1000 came in with chip sets produced either by Motorola   or IBM. L I have been told that the ones with IBM chip set can be reclocked from 500   to 667, H but not having one, I haven't tried, but I have done it with ther Miata.  6 The XP1000 at 500MHz is however faster than the PWS600 >  > 		Zane >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:24:09 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>K Subject: Re: Logical Names and Symbols (was: Re: Results of my straw poll.) 0 Message-ID: <Jxqag.577$sm1.153@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  J > Personally, I see no difference in the way this would be handled betweenH > the two systems beyond syntax.   And, which one is easier is totally aK > matter of opinion.  It is obvious from some of the stuff posted here that J > the biggest problem is people who don't know didily about Unix trying toI > devise stranger and stranger ways to do common tasks and then point out ! > how convoluted the solution is.   B    I've seen no evidence that the C library calls perform similar C symbol-level translations, and I was not aware that the Unix shell  F provided this I/O-level substitution for images.  Is it the case that E the substitutions happen inside the I/O processing?  Or is this case  I involving operations with text that passes through the command shell and  / through its associated substitution processing?   G    The classic difference between symbols and logical names on OpenVMS  H is where the particular translation is performed.  With the former, the H shell (DCL) has to be involved in the command processing, and the shell F performs the substitution before the command itself particularly gets > involved.  With logical names, no changes need be made in the F specifications within the procedures or the executable images, as the E translation happens within the depths of the I/O channel processing.  F The lower reaches of the operating system -- and specifically the I/O # system -- performs the translation.   I    The other part of logical names is the defaulting-related processing,  F which is how SYSUAF logical name can redefine some or all of the file H specification.  The translation-related processing and the related file C processing are also how the command stickiness is implemented, but  0 that's sometimes useful and sometimes a problem.  B    Does any of this implementation really matter?  No.  (Most any C current general-purpose computer system can solve most any current  G problem, quite obviously.  Some are clearly better at certain problems  I and certain environments than others, and the choices and decisions then  H involve knowledge of the problem(s) and the salient difference(s) among  the various options.)   E    Having a relational database underneath the file system interface  F (and not a hierarchical database) is something I've mentioned before. H With that, you could change the entire instantiation of the file, based A on any number of external or supporting attributes.  If an older  D application expected text, the database coughs up text.  If a newer H application was looking for XML, well, that's what gets returned.  Same I apparent file, but completely transparent mechanisms for controlling the  H data stream, for instance.  Implementing logical name redirection would H be trivial, of course, and pragmatically comparatively little different B within a relational scheme than within the existing low-level I/O  implementation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:21:06 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> 7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? % Message-ID: <4469ede1$1@mvb.saic.com>    David B Sneddon wrote:" > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > C >> In article <ih7a4e.a3c.ln@news.hus-soft.de>, Albrecht Schlosser   >> <ajs567@tiscali.de> writes: >> >>>  >>> Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >>> L >>>> what is a way to have some sort of "personal share" between OpenVMS andJ >>>> MacOS-X? With old AppleTalk there was Pathworks for Macintosh (MSA).  >>>> NowH >>>> is there something similar with OS-X? Any ideas (besides Pathworks  >>>> for Windows. >>>> and using Windows networking on the Mac)? >>> F >>> Samba? If smbmount is available for OS-X, then OpenVMS can be the 2 >>> server. Not used, not tested, just an idea ;-) >> >> >>& >> Or, Finder > Go . Connect to Server# >> Enter: smb://servername/username  >> >> Prompts for password. >> > 9 > Can you give some more detail about your configuration? / > I have never been able to get this to work...   / I do this as well and it takes nothing special.   O I am running the latest ECO of Advanced Server V7.3A and MAC OS X V10.3.9.  To  N access any share I have defined in AS from the MAC, I simply do what is shown ? above (well, almost).  It is: Finder -> Go -> Connect to Server ! Enter: smb://servername/sharename   K At password popup, enter your username and password as defined in Advanced  O Server.  File access works just fine from here.  I did nothing special to make  
 this work.   Mark Berryman.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 22:41:25 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? + Message-ID: <e4dkel0k5t@enews2.newsguy.com>   , Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote:1 > I do this as well and it takes nothing special.   M > I am running the latest ECO of Advanced Server V7.3A and MAC OS X V10.3.9.  L > To access any share I have defined in AS from the MAC, I simply do what isG > shown above (well, almost).  It is: Finder -> Go -> Connect to Server # > Enter: smb://servername/sharename   L > At password popup, enter your username and password as defined in AdvancedK > Server.  File access works just fine from here.  I did nothing special to  > make this work.   G Does everything work as expected from the Finder?  Are you able to copy I files to the share, and can you edit & save a file that is located on the  share?  I For those using NFS, I'd be interested in knowing if you can do this, and  what TCP stack you're using.  I I'm still using Appletalk, and that is keeping me from upgrading both VMS E and Mac OS X.  I have yet to find a solution that will allow me to do G everything I'm asking about :^(  Interestingly, using TCPIP V5.4, I can L mount an NFS share on the Mac, but it won't work right from Finder (it's OK,8 or at least mostly OK from the command line on the Mac).   	Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 21:55:34 -0700, From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <quayle@pobox.com>* Subject: MCHKMCHK Bugcheck in VMS VAX V6.2B Message-ID: <1147841733.989622.93580@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G I'm at one of those "undisclosed locations" migrating a bunch of 8-inch F floppies (RT-11 and RSX-11) to a VAX.  Twice today, the operator got aC MCHKMCHK Bugcheck, which is "hardware check during hardware check".   E I *think* he's operated the handle on the floppy drive after the disk F read began, since the first instance showed an OPCOM message asking toD install a disk in DUB0: (the floppy drive).  Shortly thereafter, the= request was satisified, and then the system did the BUGCHECK.   4 Would this be it, or could there be another problem?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:05:25 GMT , From: "Paul Mosteika" <paul.mosteika@hp.com>( Subject: Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames0 Message-ID: <pFuag.595$%r1.251@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   6 > It's the MIME$2020743C_IBMHD.JPG;1 which bothers me. >   J The temporary file from the OPEN/decode should have been cleaned up. It's < created as you may want to READ the file but not EXTRACT it.  0 I'll check which version that this was fixed in.       > @ >   [Insert unprintable ejaculation here.]  I'd love to hear theE > reasoning behind that one, if any.  Let's imagine...  Non-VMS users H > might steal the executable code and reconstruct a MIME utility for useG > elsewhere, depriving HP of no actual revenue?  Non-support-paying VMS F > users (like me) might get access to a less awful MIME utility, whichH > would have been the only possible reason for paying for support in theJ > first place?  HP doesn't have an FTP server which could handle the load? > I give up. >   @ Proper formal release of a kit is required for support, version E identification and tracking. That formal kit can still be requested.  F Although I'll have to research an alternate method for general public  access.   " Thanks for reporting this problem.  )                                     Paul     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:10:30 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)( Subject: Re: MIME bug: escaped filenames2 Message-ID: <06051621103005_2020743C@antinode.org>  , From: "Paul Mosteika" <paul.mosteika@hp.com>  8 > > It's the MIME$2020743C_IBMHD.JPG;1 which bothers me. > L > The temporary file from the OPEN/decode should have been cleaned up. It's > > created as you may want to READ the file but not EXTRACT it.  0    Of course, I always said EXTRACT, never READ.  2 > I'll check which version that this was fixed in.  >    Potentially helpful, if I can ever get the replacement kit.  B > Proper formal release of a kit is required for support, version G > identification and tracking. That formal kit can still be requested.  H > Although I'll have to research an alternate method for general public 	 > access.   H    I appreciate the extra overhead, but as a non-cash-paying hobbyist, IE assume that I can't make formal support requests.  From time to time, H someone surprises me with the odd compiler kit or FTP server replacementH executable image, or some such, but it's always a surprise.  (A pleasantD one, though.)  Considering the amount of griping here about the MIMEC utility, I'd've figured that when improvements were made, the fresh ? stuff would make it into a patch kit (its own, or an UPDATE, or 2 something), and that it'd get some publicity, too.  $ > Thanks for reporting this problem.      Always glad to complain.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 12:05:13 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Q Subject: OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor to Speak on Safe Computing in Nashua, NH C Message-ID: <1147806313.453941.230450@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E The Computer Society chapter of the New Hampshire section of the IEEE E will present  "Safe Computing: A Chat with Computer Security Handbook E Contributing Editor Robert Gezelter" on Tuesday, May 18, 2006 at 7:00  PM in Nashua, New Hampshire.  C Please join us for an informal chat with Bob Gezelter, Contributing F Editor for the Computer Security Handbook. We will have an opportunity? to discuss how the expansion of Internet connectivity, from the F workplace to the home, presents challenges to our lives, and the lives of our children.  F Technology is inherently a double edged sword. The same communicationsG technology that enables unprecedented, painless access to vast research B libraries also provides access to hate literature and pornography.  D The same communications technologies that keep friends and family in= touch wherever they are also enable communications with child G predators. This is not just about personal computers. The full range of 8 handheld devices creates the same benefits and problems.  E Full details about this event can be found on Mr. Gezelter's www site % at http://www.rlgsc.com/upcoming.html    ------------------------------    Date: 16 May 2006 20:07:46 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> U Subject: Re: OpenVMS.org Contributing Editor to Speak on Safe Computing in Nashua, NH B Message-ID: <1147835266.022913.74490@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  D A correction: The correct day is Thursday (the WWW site is correct).  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:39:54 -0500 ' From: "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> + Subject: Oracle 10G Client Tools on OpenVMS : Message-ID: <qYmdnZbpN8HHt_fZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>  G Anyone tried Oracle 10G client tools (ProFORTRAN and ProC) and SQL Plus D on OpenVMS 7.2 or later (Alpha).  In particular is the new TIMESTAMP data type supportted?    -earl    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:42:02 -0500  From: <ksrich@bellsouth.net>/ Subject: Re: Oracle 10G Client Tools on OpenVMS : Message-ID: <Yqtag.73031$Jk3.45184@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  3 "Earl Lakia" <elakia@hotmail.com> wrote in message  4 news:qYmdnZbpN8HHt_fZnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com...I > Anyone tried Oracle 10G client tools (ProFORTRAN and ProC) and SQL Plus F > on OpenVMS 7.2 or later (Alpha).  In particular is the new TIMESTAMP > data type supportted?  >   C We are testing 10G on OpenVMS 8.2.  We use ProFortran but not ProC. A I don't remember about the TIMESTAMP data type but there is a big I gotcha now.  Oracle only supports IEEE for Float data types.  If you have K isolated code you can use the /float=ieee switch on Fortran.  We weren't so F lucky and are changing our code to convert every floating point number* back and forth during selects and updates.     Shael    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:19:02 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>: Subject: Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMDG Message-ID: <JZednZjDMpnXL_fZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    JF Mezei wrote:    ...   : > Integrated memory controller will support DDR2 and DDR3.  E And FB-DIMM (the new flavor about to be introduced by Intel) as well.   H Plus significant RAS enhancements (including mirrored memory), some new @ instructions (including the infamous POPCNT reportedly loved by F three-letter agencies), a second FP execution unit (AMD already leads I Intel's x86 significantly in FP performance, but this should give Itanic  D significant competition in FP as well), support for up to 256 TB of H physical memory (up from the current 1 TB - a necessary enhancement for B very large systems such as SGI's), new 3, 3.2, and 3.4 GHz models F (whoops - those may be for the current generation when it moves to 65 E nm. at the end of this year, not for the K8L), significantly reduced  B power consumption, a few targeted internal performance tweaks, ...  F About the only major up-coming item that AMD *didn't* apparently feel G comfortable announcing yet was its glueless up-to-32-socket (128-core)  9 Opteron support (perhaps understandable, given that IIRC  F large-configuration support was one of the last things ready for EV7).   >  > E > The caching is still inferior to what Power has with a single cache  > shared between cores.   F Says who?  POWER5 has unshared L1 caches and shared L2 and L3 caches, I while the K8L will have unshared L1 and L2 caches and a shared L3 cache.  I   BFD as far as sharing goes (though POWER's L3 is far larger - but also  ! far slower - than K8L's will be).   1 > But superior to Intel which doesn't do sharing.   7 Isn't it on their roadmap as well (for Tulsa, perhaps)?    > I > Looks to me like , as predicted, 2007 is the year when the 8086 clearly 8 > takes the performance leadership over that IA64 thing.  F If you ignore FP performance (as most commercial software does), that H 'clear lead' is likely to arrive in only a couple of months, when Intel I ships its 'Woodcrest' server family:  x86 *already* enjoys roughly equal  F commercial performance to Itanic's, but Woodcrest is expected to be a H major leap forward for Intel (and even to surpass Opteron somewhat - FP * excepted, at least until the K8L appears).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:33:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMD, Message-ID: <446AB56C.C708BEED@teksavvy.com>   Bill Todd wrote:G > If you ignore FP performance (as most commercial software does), that I > 'clear lead' is likely to arrive in only a couple of months, when Intel ' > ships its 'Woodcrest' server family:    D One must look at the "system level" performance, aka, the ability to scale to multiple processors.   G Is it fair to state that IA64 still enjoys an edge because it can scale  to 64 processors ?    E With the announced AMD chips, could a superdome class system be built G with those chips (aka 64 cores) or is there still a lack of chipsets to " support such scaling of the 8086 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:10 +0200  From: jj <nobody@nobody>@ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server0 Message-ID: <I4Cdnc588p7DhvfZRVnyhw@infopact.nl>   Ken Robinson wrote:  >  > 2 > On 5/16/06, *JOUKJ* <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl 7 > <mailto:joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl>> wrote (in part):  > 
 >     Hi all,  > N >     We try to send mail from our website. We use a php-script similar to the> >     one attached. It sends the mail but the "FROM" is alwaysL >     apache$www@localdomain (local domain the domain of the machine running? >     the web-server) and not the expicit give "test@tudelft.nl - >     <mailto:test@tudelft.nl>". The Reply-To 1 >     is missing completely from the RFC headers. M >     When using another system than OpenVMS to run the webserver this script  >     functions as we expected. % >     What configuration did we miss?  >  > E > I don't think you missed any configuration. Which IP stack are you  9 > using?  I get the same results when using Multinet 4.4.    Sorry forgot it is    HP TCP/IP services 5.4    > 6 >     configuartion of the machine running the server: >     Machine : XP1000 (Alpha) >     OS      : OpenVMS 8.2  >     Server  : CSWS 2.1 >     PHP     : CSWS_PHP 1.3 >  > H > I think the problem occurs with how  PHP interfaces with  VMS Mail. I J > haven't tried using the PHPmailer package on VMS, but that  package can & > connect directly with the SMTP port. >  > Ken  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:39:12 +0200  From: jj <nobody@nobody>@ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server0 Message-ID: <I4Cdncl88p7NgffZRVnyhw@infopact.nl>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > JOUKJ wrote: > H >> We try to send mail from our website. We use a php-script similar to @ >> the one attached. It sends the mail but the "FROM" is always J >> apache$www@localdomain (local domain the domain of the machine running @ >> the web-server) and not the expicit give "test@tudelft.nl"... > D >   I tend to define the tcpip$smtp_from logical name as the return G > address for the mail.  There may well be a cleaner approach around...  > H >   FWIW, based on what I see in my local web server logs, the spammers - > are actively trolling for these procedures.  >  > G That will not help since the FROM has to be varied depending on who is   sending.I I'm not concerned about spammers because it will be a feature accissible  7 from a "our university group only" part of the network.                         Jouk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:22:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server, Message-ID: <446A266F.893674BF@teksavvy.com>  < > > one attached. It sends the mail but the "FROM" is alwaysJ > > apache$www@localdomain (local domain the domain of the machine running@ > > the web-server) and not the expicit give "test@tudelft.nl".   4 $DEFINE/JOB TCPIP$SMTP_FROM "apache$www@localdomain"  F (the /JOB is optional, but when using DECWINDOWS, since MAIL runs as a0 subprocess or the session manager, you need it).    B This will not work if: TCPIP$SMTP_PROHIBIT_USER_HEADERS is defined   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:50:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server, Message-ID: <446A2CF0.CF56BF0E@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: H > whatever you want just before you send the mail.  That's how I "forge"F > my return email address to the corporate email address, using TCP/IP > Services and standard MAIL.)   -----------  BREAKING NEWS:  = SENIOR VMS ENGINEER ADMITS TO FORGING EMAIL ADDRESS AND GIVES + INSTRUCTIONS TO THE WORLD ON HOW TO DO IT.  G Men in black are on their way. Hoff should be hearing black helicopters & hovering over his car really soon now.   :-)    ---------------     G Seriously, there should be a way to safely authorize a username to send  on behalf of another.    something like:   p $DEFINE/TABLE=(obscure name)/EXEC  TCPIP$SMTP_FROM_HOFFMAN  "chef@pastry.com","System@star.hp.com","hurd@hp.com"  G Then, when user "HOFFMAN" is logged in, he could define TCPIP$SMTP_FROM B to any of the above 3 values, but not any other values. MAIL wouldE ignore the user definition if its translation wasn't contained in the  "secure" definition.  - Right now, TCPIP$SMTP_FROM is all or nothing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:40:01 +0200  From: jj <nobody@nobody>O Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server [cf: Multinet] % Message-ID: <446A1C81.6070109@nobody>    davidc@montagar.com wrote:I > The problem is part that the mail() php function does not correctly use 5 > change the "FROM" field, since it's using VMS MAIL.  > I > There are php scripts that send mail using SMTP, which will work better F > for what you want.  If you need help, let me know, and I'll send youG > one that I use (modified from the phpBB2 code).  That will enable you F > to use an arbitrary sender, plus all the other fun headers you might > need to include. > G Sounds good I'm interested. I'll discuss tomorrow with my colleque who   is designing the web-site.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:11:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <446A23EC.85468B25@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:L > it wold still be the wrong way.  It's easier done with the Unix equivalent. > of LOGICALS which would be shell variables.   C Bu that would mean that either the code in the application tries to D translate the file name in case it was a shell variable, or that theC application has no hardcoded filenames at all and all filenames are ? supplied as arguments which are translated by the shell and the % application sees only real filenames.     H If the application wants usr/config.dat  it means that the user needs toH create a "config.dat" in the usr directory and possiblly manually create a link.   D Process logicals automatically disapear when you log out. Link files1 don't and there is no sure way to clean them out.     E Lest face it, people run critical apps on Windows and Unix. It can be  done, it is being done.   G But with VMS, the logical names give you much cleaner system management , and easier flexibility with the application.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 19:30:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4cunisF17om01U1@individual.net>  , In article <446A23EC.85468B25@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:M >> it wold still be the wrong way.  It's easier done with the Unix equivalent / >> of LOGICALS which would be shell variables.   > E > Bu that would mean that either the code in the application tries to F > translate the file name in case it was a shell variable, or that theE > application has no hardcoded filenames at all and all filenames are A > supplied as arguments which are translated by the shell and the ' > application sees only real filenames.   I Huh!!!  What are you saying?  Why would it be any different on one system  than the other?   H Unless I have totally misunderstood the original comment, it was basiclyD singing the praises of having the abiltiy for EXAMPL$DATA mapping toI  a file named JOES.DAT for joe and MARYS.DAT for mary so that when either E of them run the same program the file that get's opened is different. D The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data inH the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in yourF program.  The code may differ a bit, but the result is the same and in) both cases, you only write the code once.    >  > J > If the application wants usr/config.dat  it means that the user needs toJ > create a "config.dat" in the usr directory and possiblly manually create
 > a link.   H Create a link to what?  If the program wants usr/config.dat then someone; has to have created the file. No additional links involved.    > < > Process logicals automatically disapear when you log out.   = So do locally created Shell variables.  So what's your point?   H >                                                             Link files3 > don't and there is no sure way to clean them out.   8 And they don't do what you seem to think they do either.   >  > G > Lest face it, people run critical apps on Windows and Unix. It can be  > done, it is being done.  > I > But with VMS, the logical names give you much cleaner system management . > and easier flexibility with the application.  H Personally, I see no difference in the way this would be handled betweenF the two systems beyond syntax.   And, which one is easier is totally aI matter of opinion.  It is obvious from some of the stuff posted here that H the biggest problem is people who don't know didily about Unix trying toG devise stranger and stranger ways to do common tasks and then point out  how convoluted the solution is.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:53:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <446A2DA5.9A7D3EA7@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data inJ > the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in your > program.      A You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") would H automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell variableB and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ?  G I was under the impression that shell variables were only translated at < the shell level, not inside applications by the file system.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 20:10:21 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.0 Message-ID: <slrne6kcdd.3kt.thierry@MARS.Family>  = On 2006-05-16, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:G >> The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data in K >> the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in your 
 >> program.    > C > You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") would J > automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell variableD > and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ?  O No, but you can use environ to translate from the variable name to the variable  value: 	NAME ! 	     environ -- user environment   	 	SYNOPSIS  	     extern char **environ;   	DESCRIPTIONE 	     An array of strings called the environment is made available by H 	     execve(2) when a process begins.  By convention these strings have 	     the form ``name=value''.  I > I was under the impression that shell variables were only translated at > > the shell level, not inside applications by the file system.  M There are quite some programs which use shell variables to run correctly, for 8 example compilers for the code generation configuration.   Thierry    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 21:56:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4cv03mF17mvibU1@individual.net>  , In article <446A2DA5.9A7D3EA7@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:G >> The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data in K >> the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in your 
 >> program.    >  > C > You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") would J > automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell variableD > and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ?  C No, and that isn't what I said.  I specifically said the syntx was  - different but the functionality was the same.    > I > I was under the impression that shell variables were only translated at > > the shell level, not inside applications by the file system.  < And, like so many pooh-poohing Unix here you would be wrong.  E Here, try it yourself if you have a reasonable Unix system available. E It ain't elegant, but then I threw it together in about 5 minutes and E although I have my other arm back my typing speed isn't quite back to  normal yet.  :-)   ------demo.c-------------  main() { *         const char *name = "EXAMPLE_DATA";         char  *filename;         int   c;         FILE    *fp, *fopen();  0         if ((filename = getenv(name)) == NULL) {8                 printf("\nEXAMPLE_DATA not defined.\n");                 exit(-1);                  } 1         if ((fp = fopen(filename,"r")) == NULL) { 6                 printf("\nCan't open %s\n",*filename);                 exit(-1);                  } 6         while ((c = getc(fp)) != EOF) putc(c, stdout);           fclose(fp);            exit(0); }    ------getenv.csh--------- 
 #!/bin/csh unsetenv EXAMPLE_DATA  ./demo setenv EXAMPLE_DATA joe.txt  ./demo setenv EXAMPLE_DATA mary.txt ./demo   -------------joe.txt------ #  #  #  This is Joe's data file  #  #  #    ------------mary.txt---------- $  $  $  This is Mary's data file.  $  $  $ ' ------------------end of files---------    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 21:59:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4cv09bF17mvibU2@individual.net>  0 In article <slrne6kcdd.3kt.thierry@mars.family>,2 	Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes:? > On 2006-05-16, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: H >>> The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data inL >>> the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in your >>> program.   >>D >> You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") wouldK >> automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell variable E >> and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ?  > Q > No, but you can use environ to translate from the variable name to the variable  > value: > 	NAME # > 	     environ -- user environment  >  > 	SYNOPSIS  > 	     extern char **environ; >  > 	DESCRIPTIONG > 	     An array of strings called the environment is made available by J > 	     execve(2) when a process begins.  By convention these strings have  > 	     the form ``name=value''.  F environ() is more work and harder to parse if all you want is a single value.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:01:57 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.% Message-ID: <4469e965$1@mvb.saic.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <if8OqpZrolDt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > e >>In article <1sydne7U9bbbPfXZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>; >>>Now the question is, is there something better than VMS.  >>J >>   While I'm sure there are many people willing to start flame wars overI >>   X is better than Y, I've yet to see anything beter than VMS for most  >>   of the work I do. >>J >>   I've found UNIX and Windows "good enough" for some things but I don't< >>   care for the number of people it takes to support them. >  > K > How many people does it take to support Unix?  (Is this another lightbulb I > joke?)  I currently have 12 Unix server.  On top of that I have a Win2k K > server, 2 Win2k3, 2 labs of XP boxes, a constantly changing research lab, J > all the networking from wiring in the walls up to Cisco boxes and over aI > 1000 users.  I'm a one man shop.  By the way, the VMS side of the local G > datacenter has 3 or 4 VMS boxes and a 3 admin people (and a full-time 6 > operator to handle things like backups).  Go figure. > J > Oh yeah, between Windows and Unix, I'll give you three guesses which oneM > takes up most of my time.  I have Unix servers that I only touch at upgrade A > time. The rest of the time they just sit there doing their job.  > 5 > Can we put this myth to sleep once and for all now?    No.   M I have both programming and system administrative experience in the academic  O world, the commercial world, and the government world.  The difference between  L the real world and the academic world is rather significant.  While you can P certainly explain what your own experience is, do not be surprised when it does < not reflect what others experience outside the ivory towers.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------   Date: 16 May 2006 22:07:52 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4cv0poF17mvibU3@individual.net>  % In article <4469e965$1@mvb.saic.com>, . 	Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 >> In article <if8OqpZrolDt@eisner.encompasserve.org>,A >> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  >>  f >>>In article <1sydne7U9bbbPfXZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>> < >>>>Now the question is, is there something better than VMS. >>> K >>>   While I'm sure there are many people willing to start flame wars over J >>>   X is better than Y, I've yet to see anything beter than VMS for most >>>   of the work I do.  >>> K >>>   I've found UNIX and Windows "good enough" for some things but I don't = >>>   care for the number of people it takes to support them.  >>   >>  L >> How many people does it take to support Unix?  (Is this another lightbulbJ >> joke?)  I currently have 12 Unix server.  On top of that I have a Win2kL >> server, 2 Win2k3, 2 labs of XP boxes, a constantly changing research lab,K >> all the networking from wiring in the walls up to Cisco boxes and over a J >> 1000 users.  I'm a one man shop.  By the way, the VMS side of the localH >> datacenter has 3 or 4 VMS boxes and a 3 admin people (and a full-time7 >> operator to handle things like backups).  Go figure.  >>  K >> Oh yeah, between Windows and Unix, I'll give you three guesses which one N >> takes up most of my time.  I have Unix servers that I only touch at upgradeB >> time. The rest of the time they just sit there doing their job. >>  6 >> Can we put this myth to sleep once and for all now? >  > No.  > O > I have both programming and system administrative experience in the academic  Q > world, the commercial world, and the government world.  The difference between  N > the real world and the academic world is rather significant.  While you can R > certainly explain what your own experience is, do not be surprised when it does > > not reflect what others experience outside the ivory towers. >   D And the same thing is, of course, true about VMS. All any of us haveF is our own experience to call on.  My being in an academic environmentG has no effect on what has to be done to administer a machine.  Contrary G to popular belief, I have to keep my systems running 24/7 just like any  business.      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:15:00 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.% Message-ID: <4469ec73$1@mvb.saic.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <whFh5FUr09eQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > Y >>In article <4cs6k9F171ifkU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >> >>C >>>So, who is up for writting "VMS in a Nutshell"?  And then, would * >>>O'Reilly even be willing to publish it? >>K >>I see O'Reilly books as being for software whose creator ships inadequate  >>documentation. >  >  > And your point is? :-) > F > What documentation ships with VMS?  A couple of CD's that no one canF > access (I'm working on that,too!!)  And regardless of what many hereH > think, VMS documentation is sadly inadequate for inexperienced users. F > I have been doing computers for more than 30 years and still end outI > coming here frequently because I can't find the answer to some question  > in the documentation.   P Well, let's see.  I have a couple of bookshelves of VMS documentation that came O from the vendor.  I also have VMS documentation on CD that *anyone* can access.   O I also have the documentation that comes from the vendor of Microsoft Windows,  P MAC OS X, Solaris Unix, Tru64 Unix, and Redhat Linux.  None of these even comes 6 close to covering what the VMS documentation set does.  N I also answer a lot of questions covered in the documentation.  Is it because O it isn't there?  Is it because it is too hard to find?  Is it because too much  O knowledge is assumed in order to find it or understand it once found?  No.  It  O is because the questioner didn't even bother to try the documentation (I know,  K I asked).  Once I require them to explain why they couldn't find it in the  3 manual, the number of questions goes way, way down.   E > For every subject we teach there are dozens of different textbooks. C > Why do you think that is?  Could it be because everyone's methods F > of comprehension are different and a book that is good for one mightC > not be good enough for another?  There are (and have been) dozens G > (if not hundreds) of books on Unix.  Do you not think this might this < > might contribute to the idea that Unix is easier to learn?  O No, I really don't.  I do think it means that Unix is rather poorly documented  I and it takes what is covered is several different books to really get an  H understanding of it, usually books from multiple authors and publishers.  N I learned more about computers and programming (and programming languages) by O reading the documentation provided by Digital that just about any other source  P (possibly including school but that was long enough ago that I couldn't be sure O of that anymore).  Digital knew how to document.  I never found another vendor  O who did and I've worked with a lot of them.  Of course, when I get my hands on  L documentation covering something I want to learn, I read it as if it were a I novel.  I haven't encountered many others who do that.  Maybe that's the   difference.   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:45:56 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.% Message-ID: <4469f3b4$1@mvb.saic.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <446A2DA5.9A7D3EA7@teksavvy.com>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>G >>>The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data in K >>>the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in your 
 >>>program.    >> >>C >>You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") would J >>automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell variableD >>and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ? >  > E > No, and that isn't what I said.  I specifically said the syntx was  / > different but the functionality was the same.    It is not.  See below.   > I >>I was under the impression that shell variables were only translated at > >>the shell level, not inside applications by the file system. >  > > > And, like so many pooh-poohing Unix here you would be wrong. > G > Here, try it yourself if you have a reasonable Unix system available. G > It ain't elegant, but then I threw it together in about 5 minutes and G > although I have my other arm back my typing speed isn't quite back to  > normal yet.  :-) >  [example program snipped]   N And, as your example so eloquently demonstrates, shell variables are the same O on both Unix and VMS (where they are called DCL symbols).  Shell variables are  O not the equivalent of a logical name.  A logical name can be (but doesn't have  L to be) completely transparent to the application.  A shell variable, on the J other hand, must be known by and explicitly referenced by the application.  L On VMS, if a C program were to issue the call fopen("example_data","r") the  following would happen:   J If a logical name called example_data did not exist, it would open a file J called "example_data".  If it did exist, it would open whatever file that M logical name translated to.  Unlike your example, where the application must  L explicitly fetch and then use the value of a shell variable, the use of the P logical name was completely transparent to the application.  That is but one of ? the many differences between logical names and shell variables.   O DCL symbols can do everything Unix shell variables can do (at least, I haven't  K found any exceptions).  Unix shell variables, on the other hand, cannot do  L everything DCL symbols can do (this is due mainly to the fact that programs P operate in separate processes from the shell on Unix but in the same process as A the shell on VMS, and the local/global scoping available in DCL).   K So, Unix shell variables and DCL symbols are essentially equivalent.  Unix  : shell variables and logical names are far from equivalent.  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:40:05 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.6 Message-ID: <00A55C87.77F02152@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  q In article <IAH31tPbEf3o@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: X >In article <4cs6k9F171ifkU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  C >> So, who is up for writting "VMS in a Nutshell"?  And then, would * >> O'Reilly even be willing to publish it? >>   > I >   I hope not.  I've not yet had a book from O'Reilly that was accurate.   N While I certainly haven't tried everything in it yet, I found "Programming the: PERL DBI" extremely useful and haven't noticed any errors.   -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:59:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <446A674C.563A37A0@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 >         if ((filename = getenv(name)) == NULL) {: >                 printf("\nEXAMPLE_DATA not defined.\n"); >                 exit(-1);  >                 } 3 >         if ((fp = fopen(filename,"r")) == NULL) { 8 >                 printf("\nCan't open %s\n",*filename); >                 exit(-1);   G OK, this is fair enough. Not quite as transparent as logical names but  F fair enough. Question is what percentage of applications will actuallyD be built that way to use environment variables (and add codes to useG some default file name if the environment variable isn't translatable).   = What this lacks though is the ability to have something like:   D 	fopen("CHOCOLATE$DIR:PASTRY.TXT")  where you combine a logical name with a fixed file name.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2006 00:55:17 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4cvajkF16e60kU1@individual.net>  , In article <446A674C.563A37A0@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:3 >>         if ((filename = getenv(name)) == NULL) { ; >>                 printf("\nEXAMPLE_DATA not defined.\n");  >>                 exit(-1); >>                 }4 >>         if ((fp = fopen(filename,"r")) == NULL) {9 >>                 printf("\nCan't open %s\n",*filename);  >>                 exit(-1); > I > OK, this is fair enough. Not quite as transparent as logical names but  H > fair enough. Question is what percentage of applications will actuallyF > be built that way to use environment variables (and add codes to useI > some default file name if the environment variable isn't translatable).   K I would imagine any one that requires it.  That's what Software Engineering  is all about.      > ? > What this lacks though is the ability to have something like:  > F > 	fopen("CHOCOLATE$DIR:PASTRY.TXT")  where you combine a logical name > with a fixed file name.   H Sigh.....   One more line of code and I can duplicate this functionalityF as well.  Of course, we could start a contest trying to see who can beI the first one to find an obscure way of doing things that the other can't  mimic.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:03:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: The EDU Program (once again) , Message-ID: <446A21F1.1A9E841B@teksavvy.com>  J > >Also anyone who has a system with just a VMS Base License (e.g. the PWSH > >600au as shown at http://www.islandco.com/pws.html ) will not wish to% > >zap the complete license database.   G A trick that was given by someone here some time ago (sorry if I forgot  the name) :   F Create one licence database with only your permanent licences. Copy it it to backup file.  < Populate the license database with your perishable licences.  D When the perishable licences expire, zap the database, then copy theC backup into the production database. Your license database will now F contain only the permanent licenses and you can then populate it again1 with the new versions of the perishable licenses.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:04 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: The EDU Program (once again) / Message-ID: <7cCdnZYE_a-C-_fZ4p2dnA@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote: K >>> Also anyone who has a system with just a VMS Base License (e.g. the PWS I >>> 600au as shown at http://www.islandco.com/pws.html ) will not wish to & >>> zap the complete license database. > I > A trick that was given by someone here some time ago (sorry if I forgot 
 > the name) :  > H > Create one licence database with only your permanent licences. Copy it > it to backup file. > > > Populate the license database with your perishable licences. > F > When the perishable licences expire, zap the database, then copy theE > backup into the production database. Your license database will now H > contain only the permanent licenses and you can then populate it again3 > with the new versions of the perishable licenses.   + Yep.  So simple, maybe too simple for some.   D There are multiple ways of doing the job, but this one is the least E work, assuming that you did create that copy of the license database   with the permanent licenses.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:58:28 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: version numbers with gzip) Message-ID: <op.s9oafqlzzgicya@hyrrokkin>   J On Tue, 16 May 2006 09:01:39 -0700, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org>   wrote:  % > From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  > E >> gzip: $1$DGA2:[000000]COMMON.SAV-gz already exists; do you wish to  >> overwrite (y or n)? > @ >> Has anyone built a version which advances the version number? > @ >    What does that one do if you say "y"?  Have you tried "-f"?  3 OK, I tried it with "y" and it overwrote ;1 version 
 didn't try -f  >  >    From GZIP.C:  > I >  " -f --force       force overwrite of output file and compress links",  > 2 > Or does that actually remove the old file first? > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:23:38 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)& Subject: Re: version numbers with gzip2 Message-ID: <06051621233828_2020743C@antinode.org>  # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   B > >> Has anyone built a version which advances the version number? > > B > >    What does that one do if you say "y"?  Have you tried "-f"? > 5 > OK, I tried it with "y" and it overwrote ;1 version  > didn't try -f   A    "-f" bypasses the question, but won't change the behavior.  It ? appears that you need to bypass/eliminate this chunk of GZIP.C:        (void) chmod(ofname, 0777);      if (unlink(ofname)) { *         fprintf(stderr, "%s: ", progname);         perror(ofname);          exit_code = ERROR;         return ERROR;      }   E which follows the "do you wish to overwrite" code.  No bets, but what  could go wrong?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:41:40 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: version numbers with gzip) Message-ID: <op.s9ocfqsxzgicya@hyrrokkin>   J On Tue, 16 May 2006 19:23:38 -0700, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org>   wrote:  % > From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  > C >> >> Has anyone built a version which advances the version number?  >> >C >> >    What does that one do if you say "y"?  Have you tried "-f"?  >>6 >> OK, I tried it with "y" and it overwrote ;1 version >> didn't try -f > C >    "-f" bypasses the question, but won't change the behavior.  It A > appears that you need to bypass/eliminate this chunk of GZIP.C:  > ! >     (void) chmod(ofname, 0777);  >     if (unlink(ofname)) { , >         fprintf(stderr, "%s: ", progname); >         perror(ofname);  >         exit_code = ERROR; >         return ERROR;  >     }  > G > which follows the "do you wish to overwrite" code.  No bets, but what  > could go wrong?   J At the moment anything more than a few words is a strain as i have abot 60L stiches in right and 3 working fingers on left,  dangerous for operating a   powerful vehiclw likw emacs:-)  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:56:12 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: version numbers with gzip* Message-ID: <446A90CC.5020106@bigpond.com>    Tom Linden mentioned in passing: >  > L > At the moment anything more than a few words is a strain as i have abot 60K > stiches in right and 3 working fingers on left,  dangerous for operating  
 > a  powerful  > vehiclw likw emacs:-)   < Sounds like you need a Mac with speech recognition setup :-)   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:03:43 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: Re: version numbers with gzip) Message-ID: <op.s9odghqrzgicya@hyrrokkin>   ? On Tue, 16 May 2006 19:56:12 -0700, David B Sneddon - bigpond    <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:  " > Tom Linden mentioned in passing:I >>   At the moment anything more than a few words is a strain as i have   
 >> abot 60C >> stiches in right and 3 working fingers on left,  dangerous for    >> operating a  powerful >> vehiclw likw emacs:-) > > > Sounds like you need a Mac with speech recognition setup :-)D can I say "ctrl x left paren macro seq close paren esx 100 ctrl x e" > 
 > Regards, > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:42:41 -0400 + From: Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net> 3 Subject: Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work? 8 Message-ID: <2phk62hrocqo54551te9u5ifsjr90ivt9l@4ax.com>  A On Sun, 14 May 2006 05:47:46 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  wrote:  A >As you may know PL/I IO presumes an idexed file system.  We have D >partnered with another company to provide our ISAM package as a DLL >on Windows, stay tuned.  @ Nope, never been a PL/I programmer, but that's fascinating news!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:49:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: Re: VMS indexed files - how did they work? ) Message-ID: <op.s9n4f4rnzgicya@hyrrokkin>   K On Tue, 16 May 2006 14:42:41 -0700, Steve Matzura <number6@speakeasy.net>    wrote:  C > On Sun, 14 May 2006 05:47:46 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  > wrote: > C >> As you may know PL/I IO presumes an idexed file system.  We have F >> partnered with another company to provide our ISAM package as a DLL >> on Windows, stay tuned. > B > Nope, never been a PL/I programmer, but that's fascinating news!    your misfortune:-)  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.272 ************************