1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 18 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 274       Contents:  $ for programming detective work Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP Re: Cross-architecture booting Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9 # Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9 # Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9 # Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9 # Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9 % Re: DirectColor visuals in DecWindows  Re: Hobbyist on Itanium . Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS?. Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? Re: mail question  Re: mail question % Re: MCHKMCHK Bugcheck in VMS VAX V6.2 . Re: Multiple DECW$Sessions on one X terminal ?1 Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMD # Re: Ping in web server command file 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server 7 Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.  Re: Results of my straw poll.   Re: SORT, LEF, SYS$PUT and COBOL  Re: SORT, LEF, SYS$PUT and COBOL0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? SWS-2.1 (Apache) question? Re: SWS-2.1 (Apache) question?# Re: Thundering Hurd pacing HP gains / Re: what should Bad-Clients: in SMTP.CONFIG do?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 19:21:23 -0700 From: thehofstetter@yahoo.com ) Subject: $ for programming detective work B Message-ID: <1147918883.538140.181800@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  C I need to find out who is behind an anonymous blog and an anonymous F myspace page - I have some clues, but could use some tech help. AnyoneG interested? Substantial reward if you can help me find out. Email me at  thehofstetter@yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:29:30 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>  Subject: Re: ACCVIO on BACKUP 6 Message-ID: <KILag.31380$Gg.6998@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  J Well, I booted the system into production and within 30 minutes the systemJ crashed with a CPUSPINWAIT bugcheck.  When the system rebooted it was sansK CPU#1.  New CPU seems fine.  Most likely the CPU was causing the ACCVIOs on  the BACKUPs.   -Jeff   : "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message0 news:5MGag.19519$TT.3504@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > C > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in message : > news:aRtag.72871$F_3.70343@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > > SCSI termination issue?  > > # > > There is an update v 6 out now.  > >  > J > I moved some drives around and got the issue to move to a different SCSIJ > bus.  I'm leaning toward it being a flakey drive.  Odd there weren't any" > hardware errors in the errorlog. >  > > --   > >  > >  > > Andy Bustamante # > > Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mail  > >  > > > > > "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> wrote in message4 > > news:N%oag.17802$TT.4892@twister.nyroc.rr.com...H > > > I'm getting a couple of new DS25 systems ready for production.  On
 > > occasion, L > > > I see this error while copying the image of the system disk to another > > disk > > > on the same SCSI bus:  > > > A > > > $ backup/image/ignore=interlock sys$sysdevice: $201$DKA200: A > > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual @ > > > address=FFFFFFFFFFFF0029, PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000 > > > $  > > > J > > > I've only seen it on one of the systems.  Repeating the same command > willG > > > usually produce a successful backup.  All other aspects of system 
 > > operation K > > > appears normal.  The virtual address is not the same with each error.  > > > 0 > > > OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 w/VMS732_UPDATE-V0500 > > > , > > > Anyone have any ideas as to the cause? > > >  > > > -Jeff  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:54:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Cross-architecture booting , Message-ID: <446B8D5A.D566B6C5@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: F >    I'm not at all certain performing a BACKUP/IMAGE of VMSxxx.B ontoF > a target disk using an OpenVMS Alpha box, and a subsequent satelliteC > boot of the VAX (for the rest of the upgrade) will work, in other 	 > words.    F Seems that a VAX wants to have SYS$LIBRARY:NISCS_LOAD.EXE as the first file sent after a MOP request.  G One would have to check to see if this is included in the B saveset. If 2 not, you'd have to extract it from the .C saveset.    H Then, you DUMP NISCS_LOAD.EXE and you'll see what other files it needs.   F You could also manually add the node to the cluster. It needs to havbeG the cluster authorisation file located in the right place in its system B root, and the proper system paremeters to say this is to boot as a@ cluster. This is normally done for you by CLUSTER_CONFIG that is executed on the running node.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:26:16 -0400 4 From: Brian MacNamara <macnamara@hedgehoghollow.com>( Subject: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9; Message-ID: <446bdb49$0$2629$af4e6cc9@news.usenetguide.com>   	 Hi Folks,   I I have a Digital Personal Workstation 500AU, which is running great, and  C we're trying to set up an alternate system.  Unfortunately all the  B altenates (we've tried 3) have new firmware (V7.2-1), and our VMS H (7.3-2) disk fails to boot past the point of DECnet starting.  It does, E of course, work flawlessly on the one machine with V6.9 SRM firmware.   E We are pretty much up to date on patches on VMS (caveat any that may  I have come out in the past couple of days), but there's always the chance  0 that there's something that's been missed there.  E I've searched what I can and only come up with the current firmware.  E Can anyone point me to an older set we can load, or to a patch I may  I have missed (yes, you are welcome to beat me around the head with a nerf  ! bat if I've missed the obvious!).    Thanks.../Brian  --. Brian MacNamara - macnamara@HedgehogHollow.COM, Hedgehog Hollow:  http://HedgehogHollow.COM/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:52:22 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> , Subject: Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9* Message-ID: <446BE166.5060308@bigpond.com>  % Brian MacNamara mentioned in passing:  > Hi Folks,  > K > I have a Digital Personal Workstation 500AU, which is running great, and  E > we're trying to set up an alternate system.  Unfortunately all the  D > altenates (we've tried 3) have new firmware (V7.2-1), and our VMS J > (7.3-2) disk fails to boot past the point of DECnet starting.  It does, G > of course, work flawlessly on the one machine with V6.9 SRM firmware.   2 Exactly what happens when it fails?  Crash?  Hang? Any messages on the console? > G > We are pretty much up to date on patches on VMS (caveat any that may  K > have come out in the past couple of days), but there's always the chance  2 > that there's something that's been missed there. > K > I've searched what I can and only come up with the current firmware. Can  H > anyone point me to an older set we can load, or to a patch I may have J > missed (yes, you are welcome to beat me around the head with a nerf bat  > if I've missed the obvious!).  >  > Thanks.../Brian  > --  0 > Brian MacNamara - macnamara@HedgehogHollow.COM. > Hedgehog Hollow:  http://HedgehogHollow.COM/   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:49:44 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> , Subject: Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.95 Message-ID: <slrne6no68.3uh.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   q In article <446bdb49$0$2629$af4e6cc9@news.usenetguide.com>, Brian MacNamara <macnamara@hedgehoghollow.com> wrote:  > K > I have a Digital Personal Workstation 500AU, which is running great, and  E > we're trying to set up an alternate system.  Unfortunately all the  D > altenates (we've tried 3) have new firmware (V7.2-1), and our VMS J > (7.3-2) disk fails to boot past the point of DECnet starting.  It does, G > of course, work flawlessly on the one machine with V6.9 SRM firmware.   # So if I'm understanding this right:   A 	You have also tried taking the drive from the 7.2-1 firmware box F and put it in the 6.9 firmware box, and it booted fine. But as soon asB it was back in the 7.2-1 firmware box, it doesn't. Bring it to 6.9 again, it works fine.   > 	Is that exactly right? (And that you have indeed tried this?)  @ 	Are the hardware for the systems you mentioned identical to theH last detail otherwise? I mean, same video card, same network interfaces,: same HBAs, etc...? (And for cards, all in the same slots.)  ? 	Have you performed a conversational boot? Can you post perhaps < the last 50 lines or so leading up to the hang when you do a3 conversational boot _and_ DCL verification enabled?   8 	What is your SCSI HBA type/model number on each system?  A 	Could it be that you have a bad SCSI cable in the 7.2-1 firmware 8 box causing noise on the SCSI bus and a subsequent hang?   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:27:16 -0400 4 From: Brian MacNamara <macnamara@hedgehoghollow.com>, Subject: Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9; Message-ID: <446be995$0$2629$af4e6cc9@news.usenetguide.com>    Hi Dan and all,   G Yes, you have it right -- when we have the disk in the system with the  I V6.9 fw, it boots just fine.  Put it into any of the systems with V7.2-1  H and it hangs at the point where it would start DECnet (we don't see the   messages that it's starting up).  H As far as we can tell the h/w is identical.  I don't have access to the I system right here, and I don't have usenet access from work -- I'll have  G to arrange to get the other info to post later because of that - I can  H tell you we are using a wide 18gb drive in a wide storageworks cabinet. H   We have also run this on at least one other 500AU with 6.9 FW and had G no problems.  Also, using the same cable/storageworks cabinet makes no   difference.   I We haven't gone the route of the conversational boot, yet.  It seemed to  I be tied to the firmware so rather than digging deeply into that, we felt  C trying to eliminate the last difference between the systems was an   approprate route.    Thanks for the thoughts.   /Brian   Dan Foster wrote: s > In article <446bdb49$0$2629$af4e6cc9@news.usenetguide.com>, Brian MacNamara <macnamara@hedgehoghollow.com> wrote:  > K >>I have a Digital Personal Workstation 500AU, which is running great, and  E >>we're trying to set up an alternate system.  Unfortunately all the  D >>altenates (we've tried 3) have new firmware (V7.2-1), and our VMS J >>(7.3-2) disk fails to boot past the point of DECnet starting.  It does, G >>of course, work flawlessly on the one machine with V6.9 SRM firmware.  >  > % > So if I'm understanding this right:  > C > 	You have also tried taking the drive from the 7.2-1 firmware box H > and put it in the 6.9 firmware box, and it booted fine. But as soon asD > it was back in the 7.2-1 firmware box, it doesn't. Bring it to 6.9 > again, it works fine.  > @ > 	Is that exactly right? (And that you have indeed tried this?) > B > 	Are the hardware for the systems you mentioned identical to theJ > last detail otherwise? I mean, same video card, same network interfaces,< > same HBAs, etc...? (And for cards, all in the same slots.) > A > 	Have you performed a conversational boot? Can you post perhaps > > the last 50 lines or so leading up to the hang when you do a5 > conversational boot _and_ DCL verification enabled?  > : > 	What is your SCSI HBA type/model number on each system? > C > 	Could it be that you have a bad SCSI cable in the 7.2-1 firmware : > box causing noise on the SCSI bus and a subsequent hang? >  > -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:28:36 -0400 4 From: Brian MacNamara <macnamara@hedgehoghollow.com>, Subject: Re: Digital PWS 500au Firmware V6.9; Message-ID: <446be9e4$0$2629$af4e6cc9@news.usenetguide.com>   D Oops, now that was brilliant of me.  Sorry -- the system just hangs ? solidly at that point - no further response, no messages, nada.    Sorry about that!    /Brian      David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote:' > Brian MacNamara mentioned in passing:  >  >> Hi Folks, >>H >> I have a Digital Personal Workstation 500AU, which is running great, J >> and we're trying to set up an alternate system.  Unfortunately all the E >> altenates (we've tried 3) have new firmware (V7.2-1), and our VMS  E >> (7.3-2) disk fails to boot past the point of DECnet starting.  It  E >> does, of course, work flawlessly on the one machine with V6.9 SRM   >> firmware. >  > 4 > Exactly what happens when it fails?  Crash?  Hang? > Any messages on the console?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:06:42 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>. Subject: Re: DirectColor visuals in DecWindows* Message-ID: <446b1fcf@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L It is entirely possible that it doesn't work.  What is the graphics adapter?  I In 8-bit mode, direct color is emulated in the server.  In 24-bit mode it I needs to switch the RAMDAC out of TrueColor mode to DirectColot and allow K the color components in the lookup table to be modified.  Since pretty much J nothing uses DirectColor in 24-bit mode, I can imagine it either not being( implemented, or not being well debugged.  G Frankly, aside from gamma correction, I've never found a reasonable (or L easily understandable) use for DirectColor.  People who use it are much more clever than I.    5 "JOUKJ" <joukj@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> wrote in message 6 news:e0c23$446ae8a9$82a13c9d$29797@news1.tudelft.nl...	 > Hi all,  > A > I try to get some software working which makes use of writeable  > colour-maps in X-windows.  > 8 > I'm using a Alha OpenVMS 8.2 system with Decwindows1.5) > (see below for details on the X-server)  > H > As far as I know I have to select the DirectColor visual to achieve myI > goal. However when doing this I seem not to be able to install a colour 6 > map. The screen still behaves as a TrueColor device.= > When running the same executable on VMS but displaying on a G > linux-X-server with DirectColor capability I get the expected result.  > G > Are there any known pitfalls using DirectColor visuals on Decwindows? C > Or is this likeley to be a software bug or a hardware limitation?  >  > ; > I tested it with a slightly modified version of xlockmore = > (http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#XLOCK) 7 > the modification is in [.xlock]vis.c (see diff below) : > run it with : xlock -install -nolock -visual DirectColor; >          and   xlock +install -nolock -visual DirectColor G > When installing the colormap (-install) no graphics is shown (or only F > with very dark colours) except for modes using Mesa (if you have it)D > The latter case is (I think) a problem of Mesa that still uses theG > colourmap as if it is a TrueColor visual (on Linux-X-server all modes & > display correct exectp the GL-modes) > E > Has anybody any experience with DirectColor visuals on a DecWindows  > server? Any good suggestions?  >  >  >  >                       Jouk >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > xdpyinfo:  > name of display:    WSA7:  > version number:    11.0 J > vendor string:    DECWINDOWS Hewlett-Packard Development Company OpenVMS  > vendor release number:    80027 > maximum request size:  65535 longwords (262140 bytes)  > motion buffer size:  06 > bitmap unit, bit order, padding:    32, LSBFirst, 32 > image byte order:    LSBFirst * > number of supported pixmap formats:    2 > supported pixmap formats: 1 >      depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 3 >      depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32 * > keycode range:    minimum 8, maximum 255 > number of extensions:    17   >      DEC-Server-Mgmt-Extension  >      ServerManagementExtension >      SHAPE >      MIT-SHM" >      Extended-Visual-Information >      XTEST >      BIG-REQUESTS  >      MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD  >      MIT-SCREEN-SAVER  >      SYNC  >      XC-MISC >      TOG-CUP
 >      Xie >      DEC-XTRAP >      Multi-Buffering >      SECURITY  >      XC-APPGROUP > default screen number:    0  > number of screens:    1  >  > screen #0:: >    dimensions:    1280x1024 pixels (325x260 millimeters)) >    resolution:    100x100 dots per inch  >    depths (2):    1, 24  >    root window id:    0x26' >    depth of root window:    24 planes 1 >    number of colormaps:    minimum 1, maximum 1  >    default colormap:    0x23- >    default number of colormap cells:    256 4 >    preallocated pixels:    black 0, white 167772153 >    options:    backing-store YES, save-unders YES * >    current input event mask:    0x38203dJ >      KeyPressMask             ButtonPressMask          ButtonReleaseMaskI >      EnterWindowMask          LeaveWindowMask          ButtonMotionMask H >      SubstructureNotifyMask   SubstructureRedirectMask FocusChangeMask >    number of visuals:    2 >    default visual id:  0x22  >    visual: >      visual id:    0x21  >      class:    DirectColor >      depth:    24 planes' >      size of colormap:    256 entries 8 >      red, green, blue masks:    0xff, 0xff00, 0xff00009 >      significant bits in color specification:    8 bits  >    visual: >      visual id:    0x22  >      class:    TrueColor >      depth:    24 planes' >      size of colormap:    256 entries 8 >      red, green, blue masks:    0xff, 0xff00, 0xff00009 >      significant bits in color specification:    8 bits  >  >  >  >  > polka-jj) diff vis.c > ************4 > File $DISK4:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.xlock.test.xlock]vis.c;2I >    323                   case DirectColor:       /* DirectColor visuals  > are likev G >    324                                              three colormaps -  > one for ea*// >    325                           return True;  > ******4 > File $DISK4:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.xlock.test.xlock]vis.c;1/ >    323                           return True;  > ************ > ************4 > File $DISK4:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.xlock.test.xlock]vis.c;20 >    329                           return False; > ******4 > File $DISK4:[JOUKJ.PUBLIC.xlock.test.xlock]vis.c;1I >    327                   case DirectColor:       /* DirectColor visuals  > are likee G >    328                                              three colormaps - 
 > one for ea. B >    329                                              Screw it. */0 >    330                           return False; > ************ >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2006 19:20:24 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: Re: Hobbyist on Itanium+ Message-ID: <e4ft1o02i8@enews4.newsguy.com>   - Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote: I >    Given the storage bays available on an XP1000, you can also load an  I > older IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM drive or a SCSI CD-ROM drive should you need to  A > bootstrap, if whatever drive you select doesn't happen to work.   J I think this is the route I might take.  For that matter, I have a PlextorL 16x CD-R drive I could hook up, or I can FTP the images I want to burn to myE Mac.  Still having a working DVD-+R/W drive on my VMS box does have a  definite appeal.  * > > Also, will HVD SCSI work in an XP1000?  J >    I've stuffed a few ancient (and specifically also flavours supported = > by OpenVMS) SCSI controllers into the box.  They've worked.   K Glad to hear it.  I'll most likely be using a KZPSA, although I do have one B board that might be a KZPBA-CB.  I want HVD SCSI for a DLT drive.   J >    Key here is the controller you choose to use.  SCSI should negotiate D > mixtures of newer and older.  But if I can banish the older disks K > entirely, or at least onto an older SCSI controller, I'll tend that way.  H >   This avoids having a newer controller and a newer widget hobbled by " > the presence of an older widget.  H This is what I've been doing, I have a Narrow SCSI for my DAT drive, andJ the standard UW-SCSI controller found in a PWS for my disk bays (2 3-DriveI JBOD boxes that use standard 1" or 1.6" SCA drives).  The Hard drives I'm I currently using are all LVD so they all have to sync down to the speed of 8 the controller which is the slowest device in the chain.  E >    Will an arbitrary (and ancient)SCSI disk work on the integrated  J > controller?  I don't know.  The embedded controller is UltraSCSI on the 4 > EV6 variants, and Wide Ultra on the EV67 variants.  K Ouch!  I'm glad I am planning on getting the EV67 variant, I'd thought both K were UW-SCSI.  I'm looking forwards to an embedded UW-SCSI controller as it G will make things easier for me.  My longterm plan is to buy a U160 SCSI M controller for the external storage, but that will have to be somewhere down  	 the road.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:53:53 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> 7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? % Message-ID: <446b00c0$1@mvb.saic.com>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:. > Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote: > 1 >>I do this as well and it takes nothing special.  >  > M >>I am running the latest ECO of Advanced Server V7.3A and MAC OS X V10.3.9.  L >>To access any share I have defined in AS from the MAC, I simply do what isG >>shown above (well, almost).  It is: Finder -> Go -> Connect to Server # >>Enter: smb://servername/sharename  >  > L >>At password popup, enter your username and password as defined in AdvancedK >>Server.  File access works just fine from here.  I did nothing special to  >>make this work.  >  > I > Does everything work as expected from the Finder?  Are you able to copy K > files to the share, and can you edit & save a file that is located on the  > share?  M Yes.  I edit and save Word documents directly to/from the share, for example.   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:47:33 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: Re: MacOS-X & drive/file sharing with OpenVMS? 0 Message-ID: <00A55D73.3461915B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <446b00c0$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> writes:  >  >  >healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: / >> Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> wrote:  >>  2 >>>I do this as well and it takes nothing special. >>   >>  N >>>I am running the latest ECO of Advanced Server V7.3A and MAC OS X V10.3.9. M >>>To access any share I have defined in AS from the MAC, I simply do what is H >>>shown above (well, almost).  It is: Finder -> Go -> Connect to Server$ >>>Enter: smb://servername/sharename >>   >>  M >>>At password popup, enter your username and password as defined in Advanced L >>>Server.  File access works just fine from here.  I did nothing special to >>>make this work. >>   >>  J >> Does everything work as expected from the Finder?  Are you able to copyL >> files to the share, and can you edit & save a file that is located on the	 >> share?  > N >Yes.  I edit and save Word documents directly to/from the share, for example. >  >Mark Berryman  7 For shame Mark, you've put Micro$uck warez on your Mac?    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:35:37 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: mail question: Message-ID: <jN-dnU4x5fr3UvbZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:  D > Forgive the basic question, but I can't seem to find the answer :) > D > We have 1 node that used to be the production server, now used forC > testing, etc.  Sending SMTP mail seems to work just fine from it.  > G > Our current production node is set up pretty much identically, except G > SMTP mail doesn't work - attempting to send throws an error saying it < > can't find smtp_mailshr.exe.  I've checked, and there is aA > dka0:[vms$common.syslib]tcpip$smtp_mailshr.exe, so I'm assuming E > sys$statup:tcpip$smtp_startup.com isn't being run automatically (no  > SMTP logicals set).  > G > However, on both systems I've checked the systartup_vms.com file, and 8 > neither of them make any reference to smtp whatsoever. > A > So, my question is, where is sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_startup.com H > normally invoked from automatically as I can't seem to find it, but it- > does appear to be working on our test node?  > D > Secondly, once I get it working, how can I manually set the "from", > field to something other than the default? > * > We're running 7.3-1 AXP on both systems. > 	 > Thanks,  > Glenn  >   G SMTP is started from TCPIP$STARUP.COM if and only if the queue manager   is running.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:05:48 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: mail question0 Message-ID: <0EQag.710$M12.665@news.cpqcorp.net>   mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote:  "    [...unable to use SMTP mail...]  G > However, on both systems I've checked the systartup_vms.com file, and 8 > neither of them make any reference to smtp whatsoever.  =    Nor would I expect to see a reference to these procedures.   >    You need only call TCPIP$STARTUP.COM.  It handles the rest.  A > So, my question is, where is sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_startup.com H > normally invoked from automatically as I can't seem to find it, but it- > does appear to be working on our test node?   F    Invoke TCPIP$CONFIG.COM, and configure the clients and servers you A need, including (obviously) SMTP.  You can start the clients and  E servers, as well, and once configured, the pieces will automatically  G start when you next restart TCP/IP, or next reboot.  TCPIP$STARTUP.COM  A will then find what has been configured -- the SMTP startup, for  I instance -- and other necessary startup "sub"procedures, and will invoke  
 them for you.   D > Secondly, once I get it working, how can I manually set the "from", > field to something other than the default?  +    Define the TCPIP$SMTP_FROM logical name.   * > We're running 7.3-1 AXP on both systems.  G    "AXP" is "Alpha", FWIW.  OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1.  The "AXP" construct  G -- which was intended to indicate an Alpha from DIGITAL -- was dropped  ? back at the V6.2 release, and was replaced with simply "Alpha".   E    OpenVMS and TCP/IP Services product documentation is available at  $ <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/>.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 12:21:03 -0700, From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <quayle@pobox.com>. Subject: Re: MCHKMCHK Bugcheck in VMS VAX V6.2C Message-ID: <1147893663.432922.123740@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   A > Which VAX?  (Or is this environment running on a VAX emulator?) < > Which floppy?  RX01?  How is the drive connected?  Unibus?  F It's a real VAX KA650 processor, 16 MB, and 3rd-party SCSI controller.G The system boots from a RZ28 disk in a BA353 SCSI box.  The 8" drive is  a RX02, and comes up as DUB0.   P > Other than the obvious potential for read- and/or write-errors with the medium) > presently loaded in the drive, that is.   = The script I wrote does a MOUNT/FOR DUB0 and then a COPY DUB0 ? <imagefile> so that they get everything that might be there, if G anything.  Once the image file is created, I mount it (in EXCHANGE, for  RT-11) to get the files.  & > How is the drive connected?  Unibus?  E Good question.  I didn't put the box together, so I'll have to ask...   O > And there are various driver and mandatory ECO kits available for OpenVMS VAX V > V6.2 (which should address the known low-level driver issues), so I'd check that the  > system is "current" with those  G I installed all the level 1 patches, and anything that intersected with  ODS1 and EXCHANGE.  E >  As was also suggested in another reply, do check your media and do  > check the cabling and such.   F Re-reading the same disks again didn't cause a crash.  I can play with the cables, and will do so.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:21:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Multiple DECW$Sessions on one X terminal ? , Message-ID: <446B93D9.B730C30A@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:J >    Do you really need DECW$SESSION, or can you get away with VUE$MASTER?  C VUE$MASTER seems to be OK, but it takes a lot of real-estate on the ? display. I'd rather have just the session manager small window.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 14:00:28 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au> : Subject: Re: OT: race for 8086s continues: 4 cores for AMDB Message-ID: <1147899628.868232.11020@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: v > http://news.com.com/AMD+unveils+architecture+for+its+next+generation+of+chips/2100-1006_3-6072742.html?tag=nefd.lede > . > By 2007, AMD is to have 4 cores in its 8086.  # They've got some catching up to do: 5 http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T1/index.xml    > H > It also will have faster  HyperTransport 3.0, recently approved by theE > standards body that governs the development of the technology, will I > accomplish 5.2 gigatransfers (5.2 billion transfers of data) per second  > H > One of the biggest changes will come in the caches, <...>.  In currentE > AMD chips, each core has two caches and those caches are completely F > dedicated to their respective cores. In future chips, each core willG > also have two dedicated caches, but the cores will also share a third J > cache. With the third cache, the processor will less often have to fetch2 > data from main memory--a time-consuming process. > : > Integrated memory controller will support DDR2 and DDR3. >  > E > The caching is still inferior to what Power has with a single cache G > shared between cores. But superior to Intel which doesn't do sharing.  > I > Looks to me like , as predicted, 2007 is the year when the 8086 clearly 8 > takes the performance leadership over that IA64 thing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:25:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Ping in web server command file, Message-ID: <446B94B8.552351F8@teksavvy.com>   > Chuck Aaron wrote:E > Does anyone have the dcl tcpip command "ping" set up in a webserver  > command fileH > that returns the results and tests the results for validity...anything > like that at all? 9 > If so, please email me the dcl setup to take a look at.     5 PLEASE DO NOT POST IN HTML. THIS IS A TEXT NEWSGROUP.    $ ip = 1.2.3.4& $ PING == "$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$PING.EXE" $ * $       define/user/nolog sys$output nla0:) $       define/user/nolog sys$error nla0:  $       on error then continue $       ping -c 1 -t 2 'ip $       if $status .and. 1 $               then" $                       flag = "1"' $                       good = good + 1  $               else" $                       flag = "0"% $                       bad = bad + 1 
 $       endif    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:10:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server, Message-ID: <446B831E.2A0387A8@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: G > But what is the point of securing SMTP mail at that level on VMS when Q > anybody can just connect to the smtp port and forge the FROM using the standard $ > documented SMTP protocol commands.  G Fair enough. But someone using tools that connect directly to a port 25 F to send mail would be bypassing normal VMS tools such as MAIL and SFF.F At least the last 2 would have some protection. You could grant a userE an easy way to send mail on behalf of someone else instead of sending ; email on behalf of anyone else. (think secretary and boss).   C For instance ALLIN1 has that capability where you can grant someone H access to your emails and allow to send on your behalf. It isn't an "all or nothing" thing.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 14:44:22 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com @ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache serverB Message-ID: <1147902262.804600.72000@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  A Yes, but even in VMSMAIL, you can connect to the DECnet MAIL (27) ) object and send from an arbitrary user...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:50:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: problem using mail from php-script in apache server, Message-ID: <446B9AA0.834500E8@teksavvy.com>   davidc@montagar.com wrote:C > Yes, but even in VMSMAIL, you can connect to the DECnet MAIL (27) + > object and send from an arbitrary user...   F No you can't.... you need to use a simple DCL procedure to do that...  :-) :-)   4 VMSMAIL itself doesn't let you change your identity.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 May 2006 18:00:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <4d16ldF184n2dU1@individual.net>  C In article <1147887142.041661.156310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 0 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:E >> In article <1147882220.495415.65410@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, 3 >> 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes:  >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote: 9 >> >> In article <hK9SNBfzlpKo@eisner.encompasserve.org>, D >> >> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:_ >> >> > In article <4cuf8sF17mleiU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >> >> >>O >> >> >> I won't argue this with you as I have no idea how logicals are done in " >> >> >> the meaty part of the OS. >> >> > K >> >> >    If a newbie asked you to explain the difference between logicals O >> >> >    and DCL symbols, I think you'ld cover all the relavent stuff without   >> >> >    knowing any inernals. >> >> L >> >> I think you'ld be wrong.  Other than possibly globality, I don't think) >> >> I understand the difference myself.  >> >>  >> >K >> > Is that because the difference is too complex for you to understand or 5 >> > because you've never taken the time to find out?  >>J >> Probably because I have never run into a task I had to accomplish whereH >> I needed the functionality that is unique to them.  That and the factE >> that I haven't a clue where to look for the answer and I have more I >> important thigs to do than read obscure documentation for the it's own  >> sake. >> >  > Here's a place to start: > / > <http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Books>   9 Sigh....  Now there's an intuitive URL if I ever saw one.    > B > Your local book store should have a catalog you can reference if% > shopping on-line isn't your thing.    B The last time I looked at the "catalog" in a bookstore it was overB 11" thick and that was about 20 years ago.  If the highschool kid C working at Waldenbooks even knew what or where it was, I'm afraid I B don't have the time to read thru it looking for a book who's title@ or author I don't know.  I doubt it contains a synopsis of every2 book in print even if I had the time to search it.  E >                                    There have been VMS books around D > since way-back-when and if you believe the excellent documentationC > available from (the owner) is too complicated or too simple, then B > you're not looking at the right manual. You want hardcopy? OrderI > hardcopy. Order a book. Your "bad documentation / no books" excuse only ( > proves that you haven't really looked.  D They have been a well kept secret.  I haven't been able to go into a Waldenbooks or B Dalton   D They have been a well kept secret.  I haven't been able to go into aJ Waldenbooks or B. Dalton or whatever in the past 25 years without trippingG over Unix books.  I have never seen a VMS book there.  Sounds like that  marketing thing again. >  >> >G >> >> And I have worked with VMS at the user level since at least 1981.  >> >L >> > And in all that time you've never really needed to know the deep, dark,E >> > VMS secrets, have you. But, with *nix you've learned the secrets  >> > because you *had* to. >>H >> Nice try, but no.  I learned the Unix Internals because they are wellE >> documented in a lot of places and I had jobs that involved dealing G >> with device drivers and Unix Internal Data Structures. Had to in the 9 >> sense that I had employers who expected me to do this,  >  > Okay. That makes sense.  >  >> but more because G >> I could find easy to read books that taught me all I needed to know. , >> I have yet to see the same books for VMS. >  > That doesn't.    See my comments above, again.    > G > I'm looking at a set of documentation from the early 80's. There's an G > "Introduction to VAX/VMS" and about 9 other little books whose titles G > start with "Guide to..." and touch everything from DCL to Clustering. E > For more in depth understanding there's a wall of books that covers 7 > nearly every aspect of VMS from its surface to heart.   M And where are they in most installations?  When we actually had documentation K it wasn't even in this building and access to it was restricted. (Don't ask H me why, I don't even work in that building.)  I have never had a copy ofI the VMS documentation in printed form within my department.  Probably due G in part to the fact that I have no budget for VMS and have never bought I a single piece of equipment or software.  There is certainly no money for I a set of binders that someone may or may not ever look at.  Beleive it or G not, it would be easier for me to buy a half-dozen books from O'Reilly.    > I > Any company involved in development on VMS needed to order at least the 6 > level of documentation that covered that level. Duh!  D Ummmm......   I'm not a company and we are not developing commercialE applications.  We are a Computer Science Department and I am doing my I best to keep them from booting VMS out of here entirely.  "Order" implies C "pay for" and as I have stated repeatedly I have a $0.00 budget for J keeping VMS here.  I doubt they would even be willing to give up the space required for a full docset.    > G >  All the information you need is available, and at whatever level you G > need. That was true then and it's true now. The "no documentation, no ( > good books" excuse doesn't hold water.  J OK, if you say so, but I only have two or three VMS books and at least oneI of them is a complete waste of paper.  As I said above, I have never seen N a VMS book in any bookstore I have ever been in.  To me, that means obscurity.   >   >>  But then, may they are being. >> marketed by the same people who market VMS. >> >  > Some are, some aren't. > H >> >                       You're more familiar with *nix because it has  >> > demanded more of your time. >>, >> No, actually, it demands less of my time. > H > You're saying that VMS demands more of *your* time than *nix? Methinks5 > you're confusing VMS with that there Winders thang.   F NO, what I have been saying is that Unix doesn't demand any more of myK time than VMS.  I recently reported finding my VAX down.  It was a hardware H failure but even at that it was a unique occurance.  I set up VMS at theJ beginning of the semester and other than to add a user or two later in theG semester I haven't had to do anything to keep it going.  I know that no E one here wants to believe it, but my Unix Servers are all pretty much 
 the same way.    >  >>  I wish it demanded more asG >> I enjoy working with it a lot more thant he alternatives, but I have I >> to but my time in where my boss thinks it is best spent.  As I pointed I >> out here in the past, my daughter learned how to use Unix when she was % >> about 6.  How difficult can it be?  > D > Proves nothing. Your daughter is probably a genius or at least hasF > above average intellegence along with a father willing to spend time > with her.   @ While I agree that she is above average and I did (and still do,? although she is now 26) spend time with her, I don't think that B made all the difference.  The students here learn Unix pretty fast% too, with little if any hand-holding.    >  >> >> >= >> > Is that too obvious to see or too logical to comprehend?  >>' >> Not obvious or logical, just absurd.  >>   > . > Denial of the obvious is the only absurdity.  	 Whatever.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:47:56 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.0 Message-ID: <glJag.641$CP1.340@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:) > I have had people here ask, "Why didn't " > you learn how to use LOGICALS?"   I    One of the more subtle techniques around for the use of logical names  G is the use of the primary and default file specifications available on   OpenVMS.  G    For example, if the primary filename is "SYSUAF" and the default or  F secondary filename is "SYS$SYSTEM:.DAT", you receive multiple logical H name translations within one filename specification, and you can tailor * or default the specifications as required.  I    By defining SYSUAF to SYSALF, you now get the alternate authorization  D file.  (This is how UAFALTERNATE parameter works, BTW.)  But if the H translation of SYSUAF doesn't provide the SYS$SYSTEM: or the .DAT, then @ the file system acquires those fields off the various defaults, H including the default specification, and (if that's not enough) off the B process default specifications.  This SYSUAF logical name and the D associated defaulting is how OpenVMS parses for and finds this core  authorization file.   F    In this SYSUAF case, you also get another logical name translation I for the secondary specification, and specifically the SYS$SYSTEM logical  E name in the example shown.  In its generic application, this logical  G name translation can be used to apply various defaults for the device,  D directory and any other parts of the specification.  (SYS$SYSTEM is = system-defined, so that's not a logical name translation you  H particularly want to mess with, as it might well cause pieces elsewhere  to behave unexpectedly.)  B    If you experiment with the specifications available within the G f$parse() DCL lexical and a few logical name translations, you can see  B how this works very directly.  The language file APIs and the RMS + structures all work basically the same way.   H    For example, try the following lexical, and try defining the logical I names MUMBLE and FOO, and watch how those actions change the parsing and  H the logical name translations, and the results of the parsing operation  written into FNM.   <    $ FNM = f$parse("MUMBLE","FOO:[BAR].DAT",,,"SYNTAX_ONLY")  G    And a corollary: SET DEFAULT really sets the default specifications  H for this filename translation process; this particular process is where D the word "default" arises.  There really isn't so much as a default I device and directory as there's a default applied within the file system   path.   F    These mechanisms can be used in most any language-specific call on F OpenVMS.  Most (all?) support the default filename specification, and E RMS itself offers this construction as well.  That this logical name  I mechanism is available in the lower layers is how RMS offers the logical  H name processing, and that RMS offers the primary, default/secondary and D associated/tertiary specifications is how the various languages and - libraries can easily and consistently add it.   H    But even if you don't use these defaulting mechanisms, you still get I one logical name translation "for free" on a typical filename operation,  H and without modifying the code.  If you modify the code, you get more...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:03:42 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.0 Message-ID: <2AJag.646$AQ1.178@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  G > As I said in response to Hoff's fine post, I can see the advantage in D > view of transparency, but it has a cost in portability (as does myG > solution, but to a lesser extent).  Long before even POSIX the getenv - > solution was recognized as standard by ISO.   G    I've tried porting code containing filenames.  The simple cases are  C typically portable and OpenVMS goes out of its way to try to allow  I Unix-style specifications in various contexts, but the specification and  H processing of filenames is one of those areas that every standards body I around tends to list as "platform-specific", or whatever their preferred  # euphemism for the concept might be.   G    In terms of portability, I've not seen your getenv technique widely  H used, meaning I'd have to add it.  It's certainly feasible, and it does H work.  I happen to know that getenv on OpenVMS processes symbols first, A and then logical names, which means I have to choose environment  C variables (and logical names, when I get that far) that are unique   across the namespaces.  E    There are corner cases in every file-spec translation scheme I've  G encountered -- cases that can't be distinguished without external help  F or external hints -- and somebody depends on a corner case somewhere. F This is where we get into the differences in handling the "filename." C and ".extension" cases, for instance, and whether or not there are  H hidden files in directories.  Unix and Windows have hidden files stored G within the directories, and OpenVMS doesn't.  OpenVMS hides its hidden  I files in the index file.  (And then there are the usual sorts of "magic"  I filenames, such as "DEBUG" and "TRACE" on OpenVMS.  Filenames that might   not react as you expected.)   I    Assembling filenames is one of the larger corner cases around, as how  B an OpenVMS filename is constructed and managed differs from how a E Windows filename is constructed and managed differs from how a Linux   filename...   H    I've discussed a relational database as a file system, rather than a E hierarchical database, over in the blog.  That's something I've been  I thinking about -- in part -- because of the "fun" of filename processing    and translations and defaulting.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:13:02 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll./ Message-ID: <2sqdnZB9sY9b-_bZRVn-qg@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:5 > In article <JxVLRRvZ0Psa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, @ > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Z >> In article <4d0rkfF181hqsU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:J >>> I think you'ld be wrong.  Other than possibly globality, I don't thinkJ >>> I understand the difference myself.  And I have worked with VMS at the# >>> user level since at least 1981. I >>    OK, then, I guess you don't know as much about VMS as I thought you 
 >>    did. > F > I have never claimed to be anywhere near as proficient with VMS as II > am with Unix.  I would have assumed that was obvious from the technical H > questions I come here with every so often.  But all that aside, I haveG > written production programs for the VMS environment in the commercial E > world and could again.  While there are probably better ways to get L > some of the things I do done, I can still get the job done when it counts.L > Getting back to where this all began, this is probably another good reasonK > why getting VMS back into the EDU world would be a good thing. If someone I > like me who has a commercial as well as academic background (no, I have K > not been working in a school for my whole career) and has been successful H > at it knows so little of the real advantages and of the better ways toE > do things on VMS what does that bode for the future if VMS can't be K > brought back into the classroom?  I have had people here ask, "Why didn't H > you learn how to use LOGICALS?"  The answer is really quite simple.  IK > have never had to do a task where a more common (in the textbook meaning) G > method wasn't available.  If I had learned VMS in depth, I might have N > opted for a less portable but more elegant in it's own environment solution.K > I can assure you that after only one course using VMS our students may be K > able to compile a simple program, but they actually know a lot less about I > VMS than even I do.  I'm glad for what little exposure they get, but if J > the survival of VMS is paramount, we need to find ways to get them a lot > more.  >  > bill  A I've been trying to understand why things that I feel are easily  C understood, meaningful, and logical (no pun intended) to me are so  H foreign to you, and others.  What you've written above gives me an idea I about the fundamental differences in background that may provide some of   the answer.   G Since 1973 almost everything I've worked on was intended to be used by  G others, usually many others.  That's the world of a vendor of software  I products.  When developing in such an environment, there are always many  I possibilities for people to use the same software in many different ways.   G As one example, where are the data files, and what are their names.  I  H learned to use mnemonics within the programs for the files, and use the I mnemonics to look-up the actual filename and location.  The specifics of  D the task were that there would always be a method to find a 'codes' B file, and then that file would contain the information, but those I specifics aren't the topic here.  The key was/is that nothing that could  G change was ever hard-coded into a program.  I'm sure many participants   here understand such concepts.  I I have seen the programming of people who worked in an environment where  2 their programs were used only locally.  I've seen H DKA100:[mumble.DATA]CUSTOMER.DAT hard-coded in programs.  Does it work? H   Sure it does.  And no need to learn about more generic practices.  No - need to learn about logicals, as one example.   G So maybe part of the problem is as stated above, not having to explore  7 certain concepts in order to get a particular job done.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:14:00 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.0 Message-ID: <IJJag.649$zR1.234@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1147887142.041661.156310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 2 > 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes: >> Here's a place to start:  >>0 >> <http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Books> > ; > Sigh....  Now there's an intuitive URL if I ever saw one.   G    That's far from the worst URL I've seen.  I can point to far longer  ? and far more involved URLs over at the HP site.  But I digress.   B    As for another source of these materials, the frequently asked A questions (FAQ) has listings of training materials, courses, and  & pointers to various listings of books.  &    <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/>  G    I expect to find commodity books at the chain bookstores, and books  F of local interest in the local bookstores.  Different markets.  I was H pleasantly surprised to find my DCL book at one of the local bookstores F a number of years back.  (But then, with OpenVMS Engineering right up E the road from the store...)  Most of what I've acquired based on the  > book reviews in Risks Digest, for instance, I've had to order.  H    I also don't know of a way to keep a listing of what's in and out of F print, short of trial and error.  (The publisher didn't let me -- the G author of the book -- know that a book of mine had gone out of print.)  I XML-based data  synchronization might well reduce this problem, but that   is obviously a few years off.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 13:50:06 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.B Message-ID: <1147899006.071610.90810@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1147887142.041661.156310@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 2 > 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > >> In article <1147882220.495415.65410@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, 5 > >> 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes:  > >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  <snip>L > >> Probably because I have never run into a task I had to accomplish whereJ > >> I needed the functionality that is unique to them.  That and the factG > >> that I haven't a clue where to look for the answer and I have more K > >> important thigs to do than read obscure documentation for the it's own 
 > >> sake. > >> > >  > > Here's a place to start: > > 1 > > <http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Books>  > ; > Sigh....  Now there's an intuitive URL if I ever saw one.  >   D Sorry. I was saving you one click from: <http://www.openvms.org/> --B click "books" in the left hand navigation frame there. You do know about openvms.org, right?    > > D > > Your local book store should have a catalog you can reference if& > > shopping on-line isn't your thing. > D > The last time I looked at the "catalog" in a bookstore it was overC > 11" thick and that was about 20 years ago.  If the highschool kid E > working at Waldenbooks even knew what or where it was, I'm afraid I D > don't have the time to read thru it looking for a book who's titleB > or author I don't know.  I doubt it contains a synopsis of every4 > book in print even if I had the time to search it. >   F Yeah, now the catalogs are on these things called "computers" and theyE can find things pretty easily. If the store doesn't have something on D the shelf, they'll order it for you. Then, you can look at it and ifD you like it you can buy it. If you don't, then they'll put it on the@ shelf. At least that's the way things work where I've ever been.  F Or, just go to amazon.com, or barnesandnoble.com or similar places andF enter "openvms" into the search box. You'll be able to see the covers,D maybe even read the table of contents, the introduction and whateverG else they've scanned, along with reviews from people who've ordered the @ book and maybe even comments from some of the technical sources.    G > >                                    There have been VMS books around F > > since way-back-when and if you believe the excellent documentationE > > available from (the owner) is too complicated or too simple, then D > > you're not looking at the right manual. You want hardcopy? OrderK > > hardcopy. Order a book. Your "bad documentation / no books" excuse only * > > proves that you haven't really looked. > F > They have been a well kept secret.  I haven't been able to go into aL > Waldenbooks or B. Dalton or whatever in the past 25 years without trippingI > over Unix books.  I have never seen a VMS book there.  Sounds like that  > marketing thing again. > >   D I've found that the VMS documentation is so complete and easy to useF that I've only added a couple of very specialized books (booklets) ---G which I wouldn't expect to find on any shelf in a general interest book A store. If this stuff was a secret, it was ceratinly not kept from ? anyone who looked or asked. You asked, we've answered. Look for 	 yourself.    > >> >I > >> >> And I have worked with VMS at the user level since at least 1981.  > >> >N > >> > And in all that time you've never really needed to know the deep, dark,G > >> > VMS secrets, have you. But, with *nix you've learned the secrets  > >> > because you *had* to. > >>J > >> Nice try, but no.  I learned the Unix Internals because they are wellG > >> documented in a lot of places and I had jobs that involved dealing I > >> with device drivers and Unix Internal Data Structures. Had to in the ; > >> sense that I had employers who expected me to do this,  > >  > > Okay. That makes sense.  > >  > >> but more because I > >> I could find easy to read books that taught me all I needed to know. . > >> I have yet to see the same books for VMS. > >  > > That doesn't.  >  > See my comments above, again.  >   0 And, see my and others' comments in this thread.   > > I > > I'm looking at a set of documentation from the early 80's. There's an I > > "Introduction to VAX/VMS" and about 9 other little books whose titles I > > start with "Guide to..." and touch everything from DCL to Clustering. G > > For more in depth understanding there's a wall of books that covers 9 > > nearly every aspect of VMS from its surface to heart.  > O > And where are they in most installations?  When we actually had documentation M > it wasn't even in this building and access to it was restricted. (Don't ask J > me why, I don't even work in that building.)  I have never had a copy ofK > the VMS documentation in printed form within my department.  Probably due I > in part to the fact that I have no budget for VMS and have never bought K > a single piece of equipment or software.  There is certainly no money for K > a set of binders that someone may or may not ever look at.  Beleive it or I > not, it would be easier for me to buy a half-dozen books from O'Reilly.  >   C Tell you what: If I ever decide to let my orange wall of manuals go E (and that might be soon 'cause I will be moving my office), I'll give C them to you if you promise that they'll be used. I won't ship them, G though, so you'll either need to pick them up or arrange for someone to G do so (you can e-me off-line with C.O.V. in the subject or I won't read  it).  E I'm not trying to give you a hard time, Bill, I just feel that you've + been laboring under some false perceptions.  .  > > K > > Any company involved in development on VMS needed to order at least the 8 > > level of documentation that covered that level. Duh! > F > Ummmm......   I'm not a company and we are not developing commercialG > applications.  We are a Computer Science Department and I am doing my K > best to keep them from booting VMS out of here entirely.  "Order" implies E > "pay for" and as I have stated repeatedly I have a $0.00 budget for L > keeping VMS here.  I doubt they would even be willing to give up the space > required for a full docset.  >   G I didn't say "corporation". The word "company" means a group of people; @ one's companions or associates; a business enterprise;(et al.)..  F I just recently had a similar discussion with a teacher friend of mineC where I argued that the educational system is, and should act as, a > business. Briefly, its product is education, its investors areG taxpayers, and contributors, and its customers are the students and the F society in whole. Quality of product, return on investment and the allB other things which define a "business" do apply to the educationalF system. The fact that some have never understood this or lost sight of it is, IMO, a problem.  F One could make (and many have made) this argument for any organization0 of people, from religion to union to government.   > > I > >  All the information you need is available, and at whatever level you I > > need. That was true then and it's true now. The "no documentation, no * > > good books" excuse doesn't hold water. > L > OK, if you say so, but I only have two or three VMS books and at least oneK > of them is a complete waste of paper.  As I said above, I have never seen P > a VMS book in any bookstore I have ever been in.  To me, that means obscurity. >    No further comment needed here.    > > " > >>  But then, may they are being0 > >> marketed by the same people who market VMS. > >> > >  > > Some are, some aren't. > > J > >> >                       You're more familiar with *nix because it has" > >> > demanded more of your time. > >>. > >> No, actually, it demands less of my time. > > J > > You're saying that VMS demands more of *your* time than *nix? Methinks7 > > you're confusing VMS with that there Winders thang.  > H > NO, what I have been saying is that Unix doesn't demand any more of myM > time than VMS.  I recently reported finding my VAX down.  It was a hardware J > failure but even at that it was a unique occurance.  I set up VMS at theL > beginning of the semester and other than to add a user or two later in theI > semester I haven't had to do anything to keep it going.  I know that no G > one here wants to believe it, but my Unix Servers are all pretty much  > the same way.  >  > >   > >>  I wish it demanded more asI > >> I enjoy working with it a lot more thant he alternatives, but I have K > >> to but my time in where my boss thinks it is best spent.  As I pointed K > >> out here in the past, my daughter learned how to use Unix when she was ' > >> about 6.  How difficult can it be?  > > F > > Proves nothing. Your daughter is probably a genius or at least hasH > > above average intellegence along with a father willing to spend time
 > > with her.  > B > While I agree that she is above average and I did (and still do,A > although she is now 26) spend time with her, I don't think that D > made all the difference.  The students here learn Unix pretty fast' > too, with little if any hand-holding.  >   E Six-year olds are like knowledge sponges. I'm amazed how quickly they C catch on to things. Today's kids multi-task to the point that I get D dizzy just watching. High-Tech is what they've lived since they wereC born. And, students learn what they are taught, if the teacher is a ? teacher. Seems to me like too many "Professors" spend more time C professing than they do teaching --- fortunately there are many who & have not forgotten why they are there.   > >  > >> > >> >? > >> > Is that too obvious to see or too logical to comprehend?  > >>) > >> Not obvious or logical, just absurd.  > >> > > 0 > > Denial of the obvious is the only absurdity. >  > Whatever.  >   7 (Or as the joke goes) at our age now we say: Depends;-)   > Sorry for the digressions, just one of those days/weeks/years.   d p h i l l 4 6  -a-t-  n e t s c a p e  n e t    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:36:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll., Message-ID: <446B8936.E16BDC9A@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:G > don't see anything special about LOGICALS.  People keep talking about G > how great they are but I see nothing I can't do equally well (or IMHO 4 > better) using techniques I learned 2 decades ago.     E I was able to take a commercial funds transfer application (no source C code) and by making a simple modification to the startup procedure, A having logicals defined in a group table. This allowed me to have G co-existant production and test environments on same disks, systems and  have shared startup procedures.   F Usernames assigned to the development group automatically accesses theH group directories with the exact same logicals and filenames as users in? he production group. But they pointed to different directories.   G If you are building your own applications, you can emulate this more or E less. But if you are running commecial apps that didn't plan on this, A you're out of luck. And remember that logicals can have more than H filenames in them. You can have any value, and more importantly, partial file names.   H Logicals are extreemly powerful when you know just how powerful they canA be. You can also protect a logical name table, make it visible or E invisible to users etc. If you don't know theyr full poower, then you F will only use them as glorified envirionment variables at which point,> you gave your impressions of logicals not doing much more than environbment variables.     F Consider how the logical SYSUAF is used in conjunction with SYS$PARSE.  F The application specifies a default file specification of SYSUAF.DAT ,G but SYS$PARSE then translates SYSUAF and will replace each component of G the default file spec that is contained in the value of the logical. If B the logical isn't defined, then the default file spec is used. ForC instance, the logical could contain a directory specification. Or a $ different filename or file type etc.  H Yes, you can code something similar in Unix or any other OS. But this isG buil-in VMS and used my a lot of applications and it makes it extremely = versatile and really easy to manage systems and applications.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 14:39:38 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.C Message-ID: <1147901978.787397.279000@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > Doug Phillips wrote: > 	 > > Dave,  > > K > > I've used windoz Environment Variables to perform those functions. They F > > work more like symbols but with a few characteristics of logicals: > > J > > o You can set a value at the operating system levels that is available > > to all processes. J > > o You can set a value at the user level that is only available to that	 > > user. & > > o You can set nested local values.- > > o (see help->index->environment variable)  > > J > > Not quite as powerful as logicals, but better than nothing. Anything IH > > can't figure out how to do with ev's, I revert to the old pass via a? > > file or control record method. I'm probably not alone here.  > > 
 > >  -Doug > >  > D > I've used the environment variables a few times, but only when theJ > variable would be set one time, outside any programs, and never changed. > B > I haven't looked into creating and changing them from a program.* > Probably possible.  Just haven't looked. >   D Pretty much depends on your language. Look for how to call Win32.dll= functions. Process level, look for GetEnvironmentVariable and A SetEnvironmentVariable. They can  also be get/set in the registry C HKEY_CURRENT_USER hive, and via reading/writing .INI files. But, if A you're trying to write portable code, build a wrapper to do these ; things.  Probably be more On Topic in one of the MS forums.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:08:20 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.; Message-ID: <6c803$446b9ed5$50db5015$13786@news.hispeed.ch>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Bob Koehler wrote: > G >> In article <4cv03mF17mvibU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill   >> Gunshannon) writes: >>0 >>> In article <446A2DA5.9A7D3EA7@teksavvy.com>,7 >>>     JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>>  >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>>>J >>>>> The exact same thing can be done on Unix by defining $exampl_data inJ >>>>> the same manner and then using that value when you open the file in 
 >>>>> your >>>>> program.   >>>> >>>> >>>>F >>>> You mean to tell me that in unix, fopen("$exampl_data","r") wouldE >>>> automatically result in "$exampl_data" being tested for a shell  
 >>>> variable G >>>> and if so, automatically translated and  "JOES.DAT" being opened ?  >>>  >>> G >>> No, and that isn't what I said.  I specifically said the syntx was  1 >>> different but the functionality was the same.  >>>  >> >>J >>    The functionality is not the same.  There are no job, group, system,K >>    or cluster shell symbols.  There are no inner mode (trusted) symbols. G >>    There are no user-defined symbol tables.  In all these ways shell 6 >>    symbols are like DCL symbols, not logical names. >> > J > Group logicals can be particularly handy for running different versions F > of the same software concurrently on the same system - for example, H > having a development group _and_ a test group, both referencing their - > own discrete sets of files, on one machine.  > H > This can easily be extended to support multiple versions of software, K > inncluding shared images etc, simply by using VMS groups with group wide  5 > logical name tables (all set up at system startup).   , Ooops. To shared images I should have added:   o - included source modules  o - object libraries o - run-time libraries o - compiler version   <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:04:03 -0500 / From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) & Subject: Re: Results of my straw poll.: Message-ID: <2d6dnYFTIPKOS_bZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@comcast.com>  , In article <4cufpmF17mleiU4@individual.net>,) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: 4 >In article <arF9LojajUpl@eisner.encompasserve.org>,? >	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: I >> In article <4cu23oF16icgvU2@individual.net>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu  >(Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> M >>> How many people does it take to support Unix?  (Is this another lightbulb K >>> joke?)  I currently have 12 Unix server.  On top of that I have a Win2k M >>> server, 2 Win2k3, 2 labs of XP boxes, a constantly changing research lab, L >>> all the networking from wiring in the walls up to Cisco boxes and over aK >>> 1000 users.  I'm a one man shop.  By the way, the VMS side of the local I >>> datacenter has 3 or 4 VMS boxes and a 3 admin people (and a full-time 8 >>> operator to handle things like backups).  Go figure. > J >Oh damn.  I forgot to mention my VMS system entirely.  :-) And then thereL >are the PDP-11's too! (Currently one OS, but hopefully three different OSes >in the near future.)  >  >>> L >>> Oh yeah, between Windows and Unix, I'll give you three guesses which oneO >>> takes up most of my time.  I have Unix servers that I only touch at upgrade C >>> time. The rest of the time they just sit there doing their job.  >>  F >>    I've got one person part time to take care of a VMScluster of 22& >>    systems (backups are automated). >>  K >>    I've got one person for every three UNIX systems, but only if they're  >>    from the same vendor.  > @ >Why?  You sure they don't spend all their time playing NetHack?F >Tell you what, hire me.  I'll take on 12 Unix system as the Admin andL >you can pay me three people's salary.  You'll save one persons salary and 3K >people's healthcare.  That should be a substantial savings.  :-)  Oh yeah, * >and I get two people's vacation time. :-) >  >bill   M Damn... Bill you beat me to it.  Again.  I've got a couple of hundred systems : (Linux/Solaris/SCO) in 24x7 internet connected production.  G They're running on three continents and the support staff is just three F of us. My job is hardware/software/developer support/end-user support.  E This old ex-DEC VMS fan is pretty sure that the 22 VMScluster systems D have different purposes than the Unix ones.  Perhaps the developmentG Unix boxes require more support (possibly because of PROGRAMMERS... and C test code) than the Production VAXcluster stuff running payroll and , business software... Or something like that.  F My biggest PITA is the 25 Windows desktops and 3 Windows servers whichE take more work than all the Linux/Sco/Solaris stuff at work combined. : (not counting the setup/reload/rebuild work for my variousC development/qa environments...  We do automated Kickstart/Jumpstart A to allow quick rebuild of systems at various locations hands-off. D A lot different than my VAX/VMS 11/780 installs from tape in 80-86.)   >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      Bill --   --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!#   pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 14:44:50 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> ) Subject: Re: SORT, LEF, SYS$PUT and COBOL B Message-ID: <1147902289.942747.45350@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Gerald,   F I suspect that there are several missing pieces to this puzzle. I haveC resolved a number of odd problems with client applications over the G years involving COBOL and SORT, but I have   never needed to reboot. In G any event, my recollection is that the COBOL SORT verb invokes the SOR$ ! entry points "behind the scenes".   C There should not be a need to reboot the machine. Going through the D crash for one of the episodes would probably be clarifying, as would/ more details about precisely what is happening.   D Are any other strange behaviors occuring on this system? What is the> precise hardware configuration? Are there any console messages appearing on this system?   F If you do not want to discuss specifics in a public forum, please feel free to contact me via email.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2006 22:03:09 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au) Subject: Re: SORT, LEF, SYS$PUT and COBOL B Message-ID: <1147928589.021737.81490@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  1 you should be able to spread the load by defining  sortwork0 and sortwork1 3 I have vague memories of having to increase pgflquo  for users that run large sorts Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:43:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? , Message-ID: <446B8AFB.98487D3C@teksavvy.com>  H I've got my MACs and DSL stuff on a Switch. The cluster is on a hub withG one port going to the switch. This way, the cluster doesn't see traffic = between the macs and the internet, or appletalk traffic etc.    G Within the cluster, I can still use ethermon to look at all the traffic G between nodes. Unless you get a managed switch where you can set a port E onto promiscuous mode, one node can no longer look at all the traffic E since the switch filters any traffic that node isn't supposed to see.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:48:07 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> # Subject: SWS-2.1 (Apache) question? 9 Message-ID: <LJNag.8498$aa4.244308@news20.bellglobal.com>    If you check out this link: I http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_iguide_21.html D you'll see all the SWS-2.1 (Apache) processes running at priority 6.  K OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node APSERV   1-AUG-2005 15:55:34.09  Uptime  67 06:17:52   G   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O CPU       Page flts  Pages   G 2020026D APACHE$SWS      LEF      6 2526   0 00:00:11.35       839 1016 F 2020026F APACHE$SWS0000  LEF      6 2556   0 00:00:12.69       824 979G 20200270 APACHE$SWS0001  LEF      6 2530   0 00:00:09.41       834 1010 F 20200271 APACHE$SWS0002  LEF      6 2493   0 00:00:14.00       811 978F 20200272 APACHE$SWS0003  LEF      6 2499   0 00:00:13.66       822 988G 20200273 APACHE$SWS0004  LEF      6 2487   0 00:00:12.01       832 1002 F 20200274 APACHE$SWS0005  LEF      6 2501   0 00:00:15.22       810 994  I However, all these processes are running at either 9 or 10 on my system.  E Does anyone know how to start SWS-2.1 at a lower priority? (could it  2 possibly be controlled by an unpublished logical?)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:31:45 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)' Subject: Re: SWS-2.1 (Apache) question? 2 Message-ID: <06051718314507_2020743C@antinode.org>  ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>   K > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_iguide_21.html F > you'll see all the SWS-2.1 (Apache) processes running at priority 6. > [...] K > However, all these processes are running at either 9 or 10 on my system.  G > Does anyone know how to start SWS-2.1 at a lower priority? (could it  4 > possibly be controlled by an unpublished logical?)  A    I'm still back at CSWS V1.2 (+ CSWS12_UPDATE V7.0), and all my H APACHE$* processes are Pri = 6, but they're also all in State = LEF (andG have been idle for a while), so should I care what their priority might F be?  What's its priority when a process is busy doing something?  SHOWG PROCESS /ID = whatever suggests that they all have "Base priority: 4".  H Transiently higher process priorities do not keep me awake at night (but# that could be caused by ignorance).   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:12:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Thundering Hurd pacing HP gains, Message-ID: <446B91C3.A5CA0C7B@teksavvy.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: K > The company reported $22.6 billion in sales for the quarter, in line with ; > analysts' estimates and up 5 percent from a year earlier.   M > HP's most profitable division, the printing business, reported $6.7 billion K > in sales, up 5 percent year over year, fueled by a 10 percent increase in " > sales of its printing supplies.   M > The company's enterprise storage and servers business reported $4.3 billion 9 > in revenue, up 2 percent from the year-earlier quarter.     H So the BCS is dragging down HP. And the full impact of loss of customers@ due to forced migration to that IA64 thing hasn't been felt yet.    J > The company announced that roughly 1,600 jobs were eliminated during theJ > quarter, bringing the total to about 8,100 jobs cut since Hurd announcedG > plans to eliminate 15,300 jobs as part of his plan to restructure HP.    How many job losses at VMS ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:06:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: what should Bad-Clients: in SMTP.CONFIG do?, Message-ID: <446B9032.17980EC7@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > The (alleged) sender is always different, but the IP addressF > (211.213.103.30) is always the same.  I get 50--100 spams a day fromG > this address, most to a domain I don't even accept mail for.  I don't I > mind rejecting all TCPIP traffic from this address as soon as possible.      TCPIP> SHOW SERV SMTP/FULL  D The "Log Opts" should have "Accept" and "Reject" in them. ( HELP SET SERV /LOG )   C This will send an OPCOM message whenever a call comes into port 25.   F (if you change the SET SERVICE SMTP /LOG , you need to DISABLE SERVICE SMTP and ENABLE SERVICE SMTP)   F This will tell you exactly what host is attempting to connect to you. D And in the First "received" line, you need to make sure you take the real IP address.  P Received: from host86-137-199-251.range86-137.btcentralplus.com (86.137.199.251)<          by bike.vaxination.ca (V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.2 VAX);'         Wed, 17 May 2006 14:30:42 -0400   . The IP address in the one between parentheses.  ? Also, once you've changed the bad-clients: list, it is good to    & $DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG 1 $TELNET/PORT=25 this.node  <wait for header>  HELO chocolate
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