1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 290       Contents:  Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users P Re: Educating potential VMS users (was: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Ed Re: ITRC patch site - Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus) - Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus) - Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus) D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) Re: VPM_SERVER strangeness  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:24:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Compaq board member sent to jail , Message-ID: <447674DA.2F9BCD9A@teksavvy.com>  C In case some of you may not have heard, Kenneth Lay, a former board G member at Compaq was convicted today and will spend a very long time in @ jail for his financial crimes at another one of his gigs: Enron.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:49:24 -0400  From: "Chris" <no.one@no.where> - Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail 9 Message-ID: <jVudg.1982$ho5.160357@news20.bellglobal.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:447674DA.2F9BCD9A@teksavvy.com...E > In case some of you may not have heard, Kenneth Lay, a former board I > member at Compaq was convicted today and will spend a very long time in B > jail for his financial crimes at another one of his gigs: Enron.  7 Too bad he couldn't be convicted for what he did at CPQ    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2006 11:05:10 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS usersB Message-ID: <1148580309.933329.33080@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  @ get your facts straight before you post ... vms software supportA for our alphaserver is $37 a month, add right to use new software < which may or may not be needed is another $34/mo ... so base: support is between $400 and $700 a month depending on your needs!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:19:35 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users0 Message-ID: <F4ydnXG1XI_anuvZRVn-jg@comcast.com>   Doug Phillips wrote:   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > . >>In article <e54907$ljp$1@reader1.panix.com>,3 >>	John F <john@pleaseSeeSigForAddress.com> writes:  >>8 >>>OP seems, in reply to your query, rather annoyed that; >>>nobody's willing to take on his brilliant idea for free.  >>J >>Sorry, I thought one made money on the book sales.  Unless we're talking >>Stephen King.  >> >>6 >>>(Maybe he'd like to actually do something about his< >>>own idea, rather than getting annoyed at everybody else.) >>D >>That's what I get annoyed at.  I don't necessarily have the neededF >>experience with VMS to do something like this on my own.  And I findB >>it rather amazing that those here who's livlihood depends on VMSA >>seem to have no interest in trying to actually expand it's user B >>base or visibility.  It really makes no difference to me one wayA >>or the other as I do not now nor do I anticipate ever making my A >>living from VMS.  I don't get paid for acquiring, setting up or C >>maintaining any of the systems I run here.  I really am beginning $ >>to think I'm just wasting my time. >> >  > @ > I see you have no idea about how things work in the publishing > industry.  > 8 > Anyway, to Bill and anyone else who shares his belief; > G > Before you go further, critique the books that are already available. G > To save you the trouble of actually looking up their titles, here are 6 > the ones at the link provided by Richard B. Gilbert: >  > ##I > Bynon, David W. and Shannon, Terry C. Introduction to VAX/VMS  Cardinal  > Business Media > ##0 > Duffy, Michael D. Getting Started with OpenVMS" > Digital Press, 2002, ~300 pages. > ISBN 1-55558-279-6 > ##C > Peters, James F. III and Holmay, Patrick J. The VMS User's Guide,  > Digital Press, 1990  > ##D > Sawey, Ronald M. and Stokes, Troy T. A Beginner's Guide to VAX/VMSE > Utilities and Applications, Digital Press, 1992.  (Very elementary. E > May be suitable for readers with little or no computer experience.)  > ##G > Sharick, Paula The Essential Guide to VMS Utilities and Commands, Van 2 > Nostrand Reinhold, 349 pages, ISBN 0-442-00266-1 > ##= > Wright, Michael VAX-VMS Primer, Contemporary Publishing Co.  > ## > C > Do none of those books satisfy your needs. Should some of them be E > brought up to date? Contact the author about the book's and his/her G > current situation. Maybe you can work on an updated revision together F > and share credit if the publisher has interest. You can usually find= > the publisher's address and contact the author though them.  > * > Do you still think a new book is needed? > H > Okay, contact a publisher such as the beloved O'Reilly and find out ifH > they would like to publish such a book if it were available. PresumingF > you actually get to speak to someone who can help you, they will (if= > you're lucky) provide you with their publishing guidelines.  > G > Cold-writing to a publisher might or might not solicit a response --- F > if it does, it's normally a form letter explaining their guidelines. > D > Writing a technical book without first researching other availableD > books and not working with a publisher is guaranteed to be a money > loser. > E > If your name is not as well known as "Stephen King", the chances of I > actually making money from an unsolicited book are slim to none. Making I > money from an unsolicited technical manual probably has worse odds than . > winning the lottery without buying a ticket. > F > If someone has more money than they need and wants a book published,F > there are vanity publishers that will do small runs, but you have to > pay for the publication. > 0 > I've actually made it sound easier than it is. >   I All you really need to "publish" a book is a copy of Adobe Acrobat and a  C web site.   Getting paid for it is a little more complicated.  But  F that's probably not important, since there is little money to be made E writing books about obscure Operating Systems.  Anyone who wanted to  D make money would select a  different O/S to write about; I'm sure I  don't need to name it here. :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2006 13:27:18 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS usersC Message-ID: <1148588838.237955.165410@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Doug Phillips wrote: >  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > 0 > >>In article <e54907$ljp$1@reader1.panix.com>,5 > >>	John F <john@pleaseSeeSigForAddress.com> writes:  > >>: > >>>OP seems, in reply to your query, rather annoyed that= > >>>nobody's willing to take on his brilliant idea for free.  > >>L > >>Sorry, I thought one made money on the book sales.  Unless we're talking > >>Stephen King.  > >> > >>8 > >>>(Maybe he'd like to actually do something about his> > >>>own idea, rather than getting annoyed at everybody else.) VMS > >>F > >>That's what I get annoyed at.  I don't necessarily have the neededH > >>experience with VMS to do something like this on my own.  And I findD > >>it rather amazing that those here who's livlihood depends on VMSC > >>seem to have no interest in trying to actually expand it's user D > >>base or visibility.  It really makes no difference to me one wayC > >>or the other as I do not now nor do I anticipate ever making my C > >>living from VMS.  I don't get paid for acquiring, setting up or E > >>maintaining any of the systems I run here.  I really am beginning & > >>to think I'm just wasting my time. > >> > >  > > B > > I see you have no idea about how things work in the publishing
 > > industry.  > >   3 <snipped a bunch of stuff I wrote about publishing>    > J > All you really need to "publish" a book is a copy of Adobe Acrobat and aD > web site.   Getting paid for it is a little more complicated.  ButG > that's probably not important, since there is little money to be made F > writing books about obscure Operating Systems.  Anyone who wanted toE > make money would select a  different O/S to write about; I'm sure I ! > don't need to name it here. :-)   D Absolutely! There are many "published" writers blogging and sloggingE around on the internet today. Anyone can write anything and "publish" A it. We're talking about the publishing industry, though, and Bill ( specifically likes, O'Reilly Media, Inc.  F In my previous post, I should have taken the time to include a link to: one of O'Reilly's web-pages titled "Writing for O'Reilly":  /   <http://oreilly.com/oreilly/author/intro.csp>   @ Embedded in that text are (maybe hard to see) hot-links to theirE guidelines. In the "Proposing a Book" linked page, they list types of E work they want and don't want. One of the things they're "NOT looking  for":   F  "Books on proprietary technologies that don't have a huge user base."  , The publishers you listed are better suited.  > So, maybe we should ask: What can we *all* do to help with VMS
 awareness?  G 1. Buy one or more of the books still in print. Read them. At least one F of them will probably fit a need. You can find them at amazon and most any other on-line book seller.  F 2. Ask your favorite bookstore(s) if they have the book(s). They trackF how many people ask for a non-stocked book. If enough people ask, theyF might decide there's enough interest to stock a few copies. Real geeksF (not a derogatory term: the real geeks I know are proud of the label!) might just snap all of them up.   D 3. If you work at a University that teaches VMS, ask your UniversityC library and bookstore to carry a few copies of your chosen book(s). F Definitely, inform the students about the book(s) and have them ask at the library and bookstore.   >3.??   E So, that's just *maybe* boosting the demand for a book that's already G written. Maybe that would increase awareness. Maybe more books would be  written. Who knows?   E Some things I know: On-line VMS documentation is *not* as easy for me G to use as the hardcopy. Hardcopy costs more to produce than on-line. If 0 there's no demand for a thing, it won't persist.   ***** F Note: I have no financial interest in any of these books nor in any of5 the publishing houses or book sellers I've mentioned.    ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2006 20:57:23 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users+ Message-ID: <e555nj13ud@enews2.newsguy.com>   M Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston@ssrl.slac.stanford.edu> wrote: E > My webservers-on-VMS book has done fairly well in this little niche M > market,  and Digital Press is interested in a second edition.  Nonetheless, J > it hasn't quite earned out the advance, and the advance pretty much paidM > for the computer I needed to buy to do testing and installations, since DOE C > frowns on that sort of thing being done for private gain on their G > equipment.  When you count in the few days of unpaid leave I ended up H > needing to take to get the thing done on  the re-re-re-re-renegotiatedL > deadline, my hourly rate for the book went from trivial to negative.  (TheK > advance was about two week's salary, and the project consumed all my free M > time and some of my not-actually-free-time for over a year.  It was a _lot_ K > of work.  I'm glad I did it, and proud of the result, but I sure couldn't J > afford to quit my day job and try to make a living writing books at that	 > rate.     L It's a shame you didn't do better on the book than that.  It is probably theL most useful of the 3rd Party VMS books I own (and I have a shelf almost fullL of them).  I for one would love to see a second edition and if it ever comes out I will buy a copy.    H > Now, if somebody's interested in working on a project like this in an L > open-source or hobbyist way - not for pay - I can provide the VAX DocumentL > source for a specialized-to-SSRL intro-to-VMS (on VAX 8810) manual heavilyM > rewritten by  me in 1991 from Joe St. Sauber's original.  It needs a lot of L > updating, but at least there's a structure.  And your tax dollars paid for! > it, so it's publicly available.   J I'd be interested in at least looking at it, I'm not the best of people to attempt such a project.    		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2006 22:26:31 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users, Message-ID: <e55aun010u7@enews4.newsguy.com>  , Doug Phillips <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote:G > Before you go further, critique the books that are already available. G > To save you the trouble of actually looking up their titles, here are 6 > the ones at the link provided by Richard B. Gilbert:  0 > Duffy, Michael D. Getting Started with OpenVMS" > Digital Press, 2002, ~300 pages. > ISBN 1-55558-279-6  L One serious problem is that of all the books you listed, only the one I leftI above is likely to still be available.  I belive all of the rest are long I out of print, and will take some serious looking in order to find a copy, J especially an affordable copy.  A good example is I recently saw a copy ofL "Writing Real Programs in DCL, 2nd Ed." listed for $200!  Though at the sameJ time, the ones on using VMS tend to be dirt cheap, *IF* you can find them.   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:19:19 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users0 Message-ID: <4-ednYtGh7XlpuvZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:. > Doug Phillips <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote: > G >>Before you go further, critique the books that are already available. G >>To save you the trouble of actually looking up their titles, here are 6 >>the ones at the link provided by Richard B. Gilbert: >  > 0 >>Duffy, Michael D. Getting Started with OpenVMS" >>Digital Press, 2002, ~300 pages. >>ISBN 1-55558-279-6 >  > N > One serious problem is that of all the books you listed, only the one I leftK > above is likely to still be available.  I belive all of the rest are long K > out of print, and will take some serious looking in order to find a copy, L > especially an affordable copy.  A good example is I recently saw a copy ofN > "Writing Real Programs in DCL, 2nd Ed." listed for $200!  Though at the sameL > time, the ones on using VMS tend to be dirt cheap, *IF* you can find them. >  > 		Zane >  >  >   I A quick search on e-Bay for "VMS" in category "Books" turned up 73 books  C for sale.  A few are spurious because VMS also stands for "Vehicle  @ Management System" and probably one or two other things as well.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2006 20:36:29 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS usersB Message-ID: <1148614589.132692.40480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  F I just picked up at Boot Camp this week a book titled "The Minimum YouG Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer", ISBN 0-97798660-7 D by Roland Hughes.  I haven't read the whole thing (going to sessionsB and such), but the index and what I have seen appears to provide aE pretty straight forward and concise course.  There are even exersizes G (with answers), so the book could be used as a textbook.  Even includes ? a CDROM with source code used as part of the samples/exersizes.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:03:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users, Message-ID: <44767DE8.CE34FFAB@teksavvy.com>   davidc@montagar.com wrote: > H > I just picked up at Boot Camp this week a book titled "The Minimum YouI > Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer", ISBN 0-97798660-7  > by Roland Hughes.     E Are you allowed to reveal this ? Didn't you have to sign an NDA ? :-)  :-) :-)   I Here is a great idea for VMS management with regards to marketing of VMS:   F Every customer and hobbyist MUST sign an NDA and promise to never tellE anyone about VMS. This way, the marketing policy for VMS would have a A far more efficient implementation.  Right now, VMS management are D probably angry whenever VMS is mentioned in the press and wonder how they could have prevented that.    :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:14:36 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users (was: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Ed 9 Message-ID: <2IadnQQv0sm7bujZnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Michael D. Ober wrote: >    > + > <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message M > news:OFC0D64E02.95759D54-ON85257179.005A06DA-85257179.005A481A@metso.com...  >>7 >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote on 05/25/2006 11:55:36 AM:  >>2 >>> technical support for 1 year of vms support is6 >>> $700 for a year ... get your facts straight before >>> posting lies ... >>> 5 >> Well, the "lies" were posted by someone else under  >> the original topic. >>, >> Please be careful with your threads 8-) . >>4 >> As to posting lies, rid the posting of "lies" and* >> the newsgroup would lose critical mass. >> > L > That and all the bashing of every other OS in use on the planet.  It's oneD > thing to compare different OS's, but what frequently passes for OS/ > comparison here reminds me of a religous war.  >  > Mike Ober. >  >  >   H Well, at least our religous wars are rather peaceful.  Haven't been any $ beheadings, car/roadside bombs, etc.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 2006 20:38:14 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Re: ITRC patch site+ Message-ID: <e554jm03ud@enews2.newsguy.com>   J Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote:B > It seems that some of the dates are too new.  I subscribe to theJ > update list, but sometimes something changes and I don't get a message. H > Are the LOADSS and FIBRE_SCSI the only 7.3-2 patches since 6-May-2006?  I Where do you get the info on signing up to the patch list?  I didn't know  they had a new list.   		Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 25 May 06 18:46:31 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus)! Message-ID: <4uZQ3cfCvdKF@wvnvms>   \ In article <4472C409.F52897EB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > If you go to :0 > HTTP://www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/isprate.cgiH > and then open the "Select the ISP you wish to rate" pulldown menu, theD > pulldown menu expands to fill the screen, but this isn't enough toH > display all options and there is no real way to scroll to the right to > access te full list.    D VMS Mosaic 4.0, which is due out "Real Soon Now", will display largeG pulldowns (those needing more than two columns) as a non-popup scrolled < window.  Not the best solution, but will have to do for now.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:21:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus), Message-ID: <44763BDC.7D9FAE4E@teksavvy.com>   George Cook wrote:F > VMS Mosaic 4.0, which is due out "Real Soon Now", will display largeI > pulldowns (those needing more than two columns) as a non-popup scrolled > > window.  Not the best solution, but will have to do for now.   Cool. Can't wait to see it !  E I am surprised though that Motif itself wouldn't have been written to ' gracefully handle long pull down lists.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:35:14 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>6 Subject: Re: MOSAIC / MOTIF bug (long pull down menus): Message-ID: <IridnQ6KWsX49OvZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@bresnan.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > George Cook wrote: > F >>VMS Mosaic 4.0, which is due out "Real Soon Now", will display largeI >>pulldowns (those needing more than two columns) as a non-popup scrolled > >>window.  Not the best solution, but will have to do for now. >  >  > Cool. Can't wait to see it ! > G > I am surprised though that Motif itself wouldn't have been written to ) > gracefully handle long pull down lists.   E When I had Netscape on Solaris using CDE/Motif, the bookmarks had an  F arrow at the bottom to show more entries that brought up another long G list of entries and if more another arrow at the bottom.  Is this what  C you expected?  If so, it appears that Netscape on UNIX seemed have   solved that problem somehow.     --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:04:09 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) 9 Message-ID: <2cSdnaZ0sYgvbejZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: bob@instantwhip.com  > , >> [...]  ... get your facts straight before >> posting lies ...  >  >    What good would that do?   E It's actually amusing how many read the statement as "get your facts  C straight and don't post lies".  Just goes to show that most people  B read/hear what they think was written/said, not what was actually 
 written/said.   I >    Now, if you were to change "before" to "instead of", it might make a , > little more sense.  (That'd be a novelty.)   Now you ask for a miracle.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:11:46 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) 0 Message-ID: <eb-dnfEuxZDunOvZRVn-pw@comcast.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:  0 > technical support for 1 year of vms support is4 > $700 for a year ... get your facts straight before > posting lies ... >   I Well, it's been about two years since I had to renew a service contract.  B   At that time, the cost of VMS technical support depended on the H biggest or fastest machine you had.  For ES40s support was considerably H more than $700 per year!  And I seem to recall that it also depended on  the number of systems you had.  D And don't you think that calling me a liar is just a little extreme?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:12:40 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) : Message-ID: <hvCdnejkK5FEtuvZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    > L > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote on 05/25/2006 10:39:32 > AM:  >  >  >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>/ >>>In article <e54907$ljp$1@reader1.panix.com>, 6 >>>   John F <john@pleaseSeeSigForAddress.com> writes: >>>  >>> 9 >>>>OP seems, in reply to your query, rather annoyed that < >>>>nobody's willing to take on his brilliant idea for free. >  > [snip] > 3 >>Unix runs faster than VMS on comparable hardware.  >  > 1 > I just cannot let that statement go unremarked. C > Unix may run faster, but without the reliability, so "comparable" D > is as always dependent on the business problem needing a solution. > One man's meat.... >  > F >>The years have proven that fast and cheap beats "Better" every time. >  > < > ..until the disaster strikes, then "cheap" becomes "oops." >  > F >>Solaris is "Free".  The last time I looked, the cheapest VMS LicenseJ >>cost something like $1500 US.  Technical support for Solaris on a singleJ >>processor starts at $140/year.  It's $280 per year if you want telephone> >>support.  Technical support for VMS is more like $140/month. >  > H > No argument here.  I don't know the figures, but VMS is not priced for& > volume sales and remains unmarketed. >   @ Strangely enough, Unix, or at least Solaris, tends to be pretty I reliable.  It is not as user friendly as VMS and is laden with traps for  I the unwary but it will generally run as long as you remember to pay your  G electric bill.  Unskilled tinkering as root can and will bring it down  F but, as with VMS, there is no defense against privilege.  The Solaris G systems at my last job ran like the VMS systems and came down only for  G hardware maintenance or for power failures lasting longer than the run   time of our UPS.  YMMV!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 04:00:40 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> # Subject: Re: VPM_SERVER strangeness : Message-ID: <d7887$44766149$50db5015$9267@news.hispeed.ch>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > In article <87psi31ldi.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com
 > writes:  >  > T >>helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >> >>I >>>As I mentioned, SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS shows nothing changing except  F >>>the number of page faults.  Here is the graphical output from SHOW 8 >>>PROCESS/CONTINUOUS.  It does look rather interesting: >  > P >>>2120014E VPM_SERVER      HIB     15       18   0 00:00:00.02  17876553    107 >>T >>I'll bet it is trying to size how much memory it can get so it can avoid having to >>extend later...  >  > E > Someone here mentioned the possibility that the WS* quotas for the  J > SYSTEM account might be too low.  That was the case (because it started = > life on a VAX); I changed them and that solved the problem.  >   I In that case you may wish to review quotas for all user accounts on that  I system, and for completeness look at all of the quotas, not just the WS*   ones.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.290 ************************