1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 291       Contents:" Re: Carly Fiorina bio at wikipedia" Re: Carly Fiorina bio at wikipedia$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail$ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail5 Re: Displaying a text file to all users entering ACMS ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users ! Re: Educating potential VMS users P Re: Educating potential VMS users (was: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Ed Re: F$GETQUI Doc? / Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000 / Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000 / Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000  Re: ITRC patch site  Re: ITRC patch site  Madgoat MX Exchange for VMS.> Need freespace but SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL won't delete OT: Frustrating problems Question Re: Question (Last Login date) Re: Question (Last Login date)0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub?0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub?0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub?0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub?D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)	 vs4000/60   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:33:26 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: Carly Fiorina bio at wikipedia 9 Message-ID: <7IBdg.3107$%Z2.345165@news20.bellglobal.com>   9 "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message  7 news:4475619e$0$67256$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk...  > JF Mezei wrote:  >> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: [...snip...] > J > The companies producing old fashioned fixed line phone switches are all H > having a hard time.  People are moving to IP and cellphones.  E.g. in H > Denmark the number of fixed lines is falling.  The old monopoly phone F > company has decided not to invest in fixed line telephony any more, H > because they think most of the market will be gone in 2010.  They are H > constantly firing engineers who used to install and fixed line phones. > G Wireless technology is preferred in Scandinavian countries because the  L prevalence of rock makes it almost impossible to bury cable. The snow makes & it difficult to install aerial cables.  G The phone companies are making so much money on wireless because it is  K "measured" while wire-line is not (in North America) that many execs think  L the whole thing can be made wireless. The truth of the matter is that these J companies should be installing fiber in high-density areas where wireless I systems are running out of channels. Like Satellite technology, wireless  H initially filled a niche but is too expensive for most large transfers. K (copper cables initially crossed the oceans; then satellites stole quite a  J bit of this business; then fiber cables bought most of it back). I'm sure K you would agree that you would not want to phone a large company (HP, IBM,  E your bank) and find out everyone was using cell phones. The business  ? community just won't tolerate the inherent noise and drop outs.   M While it is true that circuit switching will be replaced by packet switching  J some time in the future, the people who think it will be as early as 2010 D just haven't thought about the details. In North America 95% of all L residential and commercial building are already wired with twisted-pair. In B high density areas over 50% are wired with coax. Most people have H twisted-pair based analog phones in their homes and do not want to do a L change over, so an analog-digital conversion widget is needed to connect to L the internal analog circuit to the internet. Sometimes the internet will be K just outside your door (xDSL from the phone company or coax from cable TV)  J but in other instances it makes more sense to ride an analog line all the K way back to the telephone company, then convert to digital then connect to  L the internet just to get access to cheap long distance). In other instances J the range of xDSL is extended farther from the telephone company by fiber J using a mixture of the two technologies called HFC (Hybrid fiber coax) or   HFTP (hybrid fiber twisted pair)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:47:37 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: Carly Fiorina bio at wikipedia 9 Message-ID: <qVBdg.3111$%Z2.345428@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:44756E93.1B2D0D1C@teksavvy.com... > Karsten Nyblad wrote:  [...snip...] > L >> Ericsson and Nortel are just two companies that has also been in trouble. > H > Yep. But in the case of Nortel and Lucent, they were headed by "stars"I > during the .com boom who went out on a giant buying spree for all sorts J > of "convergence" stuff (aka: vapourware) and which didn't have a hope fo9 > making a profit. Carly was part of that boom at Lucent.  >   L After Nortel purchased Bay Networks (who had previously purchased Synoptic) J they were in a position to beat Cisco in the packet switching market. But F then they (Nortel) became totally focused on their optical networking J backbone business which had been doubling every year from 1996 through to K 2000. (it always makes me wonder why financial people think that this kind  M of growth could be sustained; especially since the only kind of growth close  I to this is cancer). They were using this geometric growth to swap stocks  $ while acquiring worthless companies.I They let everything else slide until their optical business hit-the-wall  ( then the whole thing came crashing down.  I Even today they make some really cool VoIP equipment for use in POTS and  K Cable-TV businesses. Like SUN, they have gotten rid of their manufacturing  2 arm and now do most of it in the far east (China).  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2006 12:18:16 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail , Message-ID: <4doa08F1bc1hfU1@individual.net>  , In article <447674DA.2F9BCD9A@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:E > In case some of you may not have heard, Kenneth Lay, a former board I > member at Compaq was convicted today and will spend a very long time in B > jail for his financial crimes at another one of his gigs: Enron.  F I wouldn't bet on it.  He will probably die of old age while still outK on appeals.  After all, he can afford to drag this out as long as he wants.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 05:11:21 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk- Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail C Message-ID: <1148645481.932604.232600@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   " How long did he get sent down for?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:30:25 GMT ) From: "John Vottero" <JVottero@mvpsi.com> - Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail > Message-ID: <BxCdg.40866$Lm5.16883@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message & news:4doa08F1bc1hfU1@individual.net.... > In article <447674DA.2F9BCD9A@teksavvy.com>,1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: F >> In case some of you may not have heard, Kenneth Lay, a former boardJ >> member at Compaq was convicted today and will spend a very long time inC >> jail for his financial crimes at another one of his gigs: Enron.  > H > I wouldn't bet on it.  He will probably die of old age while still outG > on appeals.  After all, he can afford to drag this out as long as he   > wants. >   L He's been convicted.  He's going to have to sit in prison while his lawyers  appeal.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:24:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <Tom@kednos.com> - Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail $ Message-ID: <op.s95wyx06vjesjr@reka>  G On Fri, 26 May 2006 05:30:25 -0700, John Vottero <JVottero@mvpsi.com>    wrote:  G > He's been convicted.  He's going to have to sit in prison while his   	 > lawyers 	 > appeal.     E I don't think so, Bernie Ebbers is still a free man, while his appeal  is process.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 09:01:15 -0700- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> - Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail B Message-ID: <1148659275.899498.168920@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Tom Linden wrote: G > On Fri, 26 May 2006 05:30:25 -0700, John Vottero <JVottero@mvpsi.com>  > wrote: > G > > He's been convicted.  He's going to have to sit in prison while his  > > lawyers  > > appeal.  >  > G > I don't think so, Bernie Ebbers is still a free man, while his appeal 
 > is process.   D He hasn't appealed yet, he is currently on bail awaiting sentencing.D When the Judge hands down the sentence then he may decide to appeal.D And of course the Judge can refuse bail if he thinks that there is a+ high chance that the two accused will flee.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2006 17:43:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail , Message-ID: <4dot2dF1bcom8U2@individual.net>  B In article <1148659275.899498.168920@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,0 	"Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes: >  > Tom Linden wrote: H >> On Fri, 26 May 2006 05:30:25 -0700, John Vottero <JVottero@mvpsi.com>	 >> wrote:  >>H >> > He's been convicted.  He's going to have to sit in prison while his >> > lawyers >> > appeal. >> >>H >> I don't think so, Bernie Ebbers is still a free man, while his appeal >> is process. > F > He hasn't appealed yet, he is currently on bail awaiting sentencing.F > When the Judge hands down the sentence then he may decide to appeal.F > And of course the Judge can refuse bail if he thinks that there is a- > high chance that the two accused will flee.   G There is virtually no chance that a pair of white-collar criminals like G this would be considered a threat to flee.  If so, they would have done G it before the trial.  They are better off just dragging out the appeals E process for the rest of their lives.  After all, they can afford. :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 00:23:17 -0700- From: "Brucey" <Bruce.Goller@LCHClearnet.com> > Subject: Re: Displaying a text file to all users entering ACMSC Message-ID: <1148628197.417165.312150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:09:25 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w4OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users5 Message-ID: <44769b95$0$2985$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   . davidc@montagar.com wrote on 26-5-2006 5:36...H > I just picked up at Boot Camp this week a book titled "The Minimum YouI > Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer", ISBN 0-97798660-7 F > by Roland Hughes.  I haven't read the whole thing (going to sessionsD > and such), but the index and what I have seen appears to provide aG > pretty straight forward and concise course.  There are even exersizes I > (with answers), so the book could be used as a textbook.  Even includes A > a CDROM with source code used as part of the samples/exersizes.   H Great Book! I bought it a couple of weeks ago from Island Corp. Did you G *buy* it yourself at Boot Camp, or did HP finally go out on a limb and  ( bought a few hundred copies to dish out?   /Wilm    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 08:28:52 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users3 Message-ID: <uMgN4M0YGR74@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <1148580309.933329.33080@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:B > get your facts straight before you post ... vms software supportC > for our alphaserver is $37 a month, add right to use new software > > which may or may not be needed is another $34/mo ... so base< > support is between $400 and $700 a month depending on your > needs!  "    You must be doing Pentium math.      $37 + $34 =? $400  E    Or maybe you forgot tomention how many system you have?  You don't D    have to pay for full support on all of them in order to get right    to copy updates.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 08:25:19 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS usersB Message-ID: <1148657119.365544.20030@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:. > Doug Phillips <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote:I > > Before you go further, critique the books that are already available. I > > To save you the trouble of actually looking up their titles, here are 8 > > the ones at the link provided by Richard B. Gilbert: > 2 > > Duffy, Michael D. Getting Started with OpenVMS$ > > Digital Press, 2002, ~300 pages. > > ISBN 1-55558-279-6 > N > One serious problem is that of all the books you listed, only the one I leftK > above is likely to still be available.  I belive all of the rest are long K > out of print, and will take some serious looking in order to find a copy, L > especially an affordable copy.  A good example is I recently saw a copy ofN > "Writing Real Programs in DCL, 2nd Ed." listed for $200!  Though at the sameL > time, the ones on using VMS tend to be dirt cheap, *IF* you can find them. >  > 		Zane    G Go to <http://www.amazon.com> or <http://www.barnesandnoble.com> and do E a search for openvms. Pick one of those. VMS books really aren't that D hard to find but you do need to look for them. To save everyone evenC that amount of work, here's the two-page search result from amazon:    <http://tinyurl.com/jru37>  D That's about all the help I can offer. Anyone who still thinks thereE are no VMS books available must be considered hopeless at this point.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 08:26:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users (was: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Ed 3 Message-ID: <Qur1LzKESdrf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <Koldg.16$me1.1074@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes: > L > That and all the bashing of every other OS in use on the planet.  It's oneD > thing to compare different OS's, but what frequently passes for OS/ > comparison here reminds me of a religous war.   B    OS is not the only kind of software that tends to inspire "ture    believers".   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 03:56:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: F$GETQUI Doc?, Message-ID: <4476B46F.26E91A7D@teksavvy.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:J > $GETQUI         Invokes the $GETQUI system service to return informationG >                 about queues, batch and print jobs currently in those J >                 queues, form definitions, and characteristic definitions- >                 kept in the queue database.  > J >                 +On VAX, also returns information about a queue manager.  8 On Alpha VMS 8.2 , the "vax only" reference was removed.  @ I would like to know if this is just a leftover from the initialE Alpha-VMS version that didn't have the new queue manager that VAX-VMS > already had , and the documentation wasn't updated until now ?  @ I.E. can someone write DCL that uses F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_MANAGER",E <mumble>,<mumble>)  and expect that any recent Alpha VMS version will F also support it ? Or was is truly added to Alpha between 7.3 and 8.2 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:30:29 -0700 # From: "Tom LINDEN" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000) Message-ID: <op.s95z03xplvpiaf@hyrrokkin>   H On Fri, 26 May 2006 03:48:20 -0700, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  =   wrote:  F > Sorry to disagree but a DECIMAL data type is the preferred way to doF > financial calculations. In VMS-BASIC the directive OPTION DECIMAL  =  
 > ROUNDINGI > makes sure everything works the way it should. You can still specify a=  ny > number of fractional digits.  I The BEST way to do financial calculation is to use scaled fixed decimal =  in PL/I.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:37:14 -0700 # From: "Tom LINDEN" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000) Message-ID: <op.s9524cemlvpiaf@hyrrokkin>   I On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:40:58 -0700, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>  =    wrote:  F > Or to use COBOL which was designed for this task in the first place.!                            POORLY   I Cobol is pedestrian by comparison.  Why not use the best tool for the jo=  b?   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2006 17:41:21 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: GFloat Rounding issue in DEC Basic V1.2-000, Message-ID: <4dosu1F1bcom8U1@individual.net>  ) In article <op.s9524cemlvpiaf@hyrrokkin>, & 	"Tom LINDEN" <tom@kednos.com> writes:K > On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:40:58 -0700, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>  =  >  > wrote: > G >> Or to use COBOL which was designed for this task in the first place. # >                            POORLY   J What makes it poorer for financial applications as opposed to PL/I.  COBOL1 was specifically designed for these applications,    > & > Cobol is pedestrian by comparison.    I Just what is that supposed to mean?  Since when are "wit and imagination" ) part of the software engineering process?   L >                                     Why not use the best tool for the job?  @ 1.  Some would not agree that PL/I is the best tool for the job.I 2.  Maintenance.  Which do you think would be easiier to find a competent 0 COBOL programmer or a competent PL/I programmer?D 3.  Like VMS, PL/I has no presence or visibility and would thus be a hard sell to most managers.   E PL/I has it's place, but IMHO the financial world ain't it.  The only E thing I can think of worse is the local company that sells a business E package they wrote.......     In APL.  Well, at least they don't have # to worry about someone stealing it.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:35:51 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: ITRC patch site$ Message-ID: <e567k7$18a$2@online.de>  G In article <1148595764.671048.16600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Ian  Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:    >  I think there has been  > VMS732_LOADSS-V0200  > VMS821I_DEBUG-V0200  > VMS821I_FIBRE_SCSI-V0200 > VMS821I_LOADSS-V0200 > VMS82A_FIBRE_SCSI-V0200  > VMS82A_LOADSS-V0200  > VMS82I_LOADSS-V0200   I 7.3-2 ALPHA.  I should have mentioned that in my post if I didn't.  (I'm  F on a VT320 now not a DECterm so I can't scroll back up and see what I  wrote.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:39:42 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: ITRC patch siteQ Message-ID: <OF4DC24505.AC018825-ON8525717A.004ABBB1-8525717A.004B0411@metso.com>   J helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  wrote on 05/26/2006 02:35:51 AM:  I > In article <1148595764.671048.16600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "Ian  > Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:  >  > >  I think there has been  > > VMS732_LOADSS-V0200  > > VMS821I_DEBUG-V0200  > > VMS821I_FIBRE_SCSI-V0200 > > VMS821I_LOADSS-V0200 > > VMS82A_FIBRE_SCSI-V0200  > > VMS82A_LOADSS-V0200  > > VMS82I_LOADSS-V0200  >   > That list is correct [Source:  OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering]  < > I should have mentioned that in my post if I didn't.  (I'mG > on a VT320 now not a DECterm so I can't scroll back up and see what I 	 > wrote.)  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:32:15 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> % Subject: Madgoat MX Exchange for VMS. 5 Message-ID: <e5700v$49l$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   : Can anyone help with how to fix the warning message below?   Thanks in advance, Chuck     4 USER$DISK:[000000.MX.ROUTER]MX_FLQ_MGR_MAJOR.LOG;282   
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY")) @ 26-MAY-2006 09:19:21.31:  MX FLQ Manager (pid 0000148A) startingD 26-MAY-2006 09:19:21.33:  MX WARNING: Message queue exceeds allowed   maximum disk space, or disk full   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 10:04:39 -0700 From: rschiemel@gmail.com G Subject: Need freespace but SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL won't delete C Message-ID: <1148663079.590369.275210@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Compaq Open VMS VAX Version 7.2   F It was noticed that the freespace on the system disk was decreasing. A* search for large files showed a file namedG SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 which was about 11,000 blocks, existed B in three separate directories on the system disk, using a total of about 33,000 blocks.  G The directories were: [SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE], [SYSE.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE], E and [VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]. In an effort to reduce the size of the files ! we issued the following commands:  > mcr  JBC$COMMAND JBC$COMMAND> DIAG 0 7   F The result was the original three files disappeared and in their placeC were three new files each about 1100 blocks in size. We expected to @ find the freespace increased by about 30,000 blocks. Instead the6 freespace DECREASED by 3,300 blocks (The 3 new files).  ( How do we get those 33,000 blocks free ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:43:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: OT: Frustrating problems , Message-ID: <4476F7AB.BEEAE7E4@teksavvy.com>  G I have a WAP page running on my cluster that provides a snapshot status F of my systems. (nodes, disks and now queues). (I'lo probably make this available once it is finished).   E I added the queues yesterday.  WML is very pedantic with the syntax.  H But I had some errors I just couldn't see (and none of the page loads inG that case).  After desperation debugging (remove one line, test, remove = anothert line, test etc etc) I found out what was causing it.   . a TEXT line  "Exec:0 Hold:0"  was the culprit.   The fix ??????    ) Change it to "Ixec:0 Hold:0"   !!!!!!!!!!    I then compressed it to:   Jobs t:0 h:0 e:0 p:0  $ (Timed, Holding, Executing, Pending)  
 it failed.  % changing it to:  Jobs t:0 h:0 f:0 p:0   F made it work fine. All I did was change the "e" to an "f". Go figure.     H In fact, there are quite a few places where replacing a letter with an EH causes the WAP to fail the whole page ! And yes, that is part of TEXT in	 the page.   H (the WML goes from my OSU server to the mobile network's WML proxy whichE compiles/validates the code and sends it as a compressed bitstream to 
 the handset).   A There was another spot where removing a hard line break ( <br/> ) 9 resulted in an error. Putting it back made the page work.       H When one works on VMS, you have access to plenty of debugging tools. AndE even with that, one can create a number of headaches that are hard to G solve.  But when you consider the new paradigm of distributed computing D where part of the work is compiled on the fly by some telecom/mobile# network, it makes life much harder.   E And it doesn't help that my mobile provider was bought by another one G and the WAP  proxy is now that of the bigger guys, but since I am not a H customer of the bigger guy, I don't have access to whatever support theyL may have. (and few mobile networks provide technical support at that level).  H Beware of outsourcing of services. And consider the support implicationsH if you start to use "software on demand" via the internet. Are you goingA to get real technical support when some appliucation doesn't load F properly from the net because some proxy server is having problems due+ to the alignement of the stars in the sky ?     H Finding this problem was done by cutting the contents from bottom to theD top line by line until the page worked, and then adding line by line until it failed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:05:49 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>  Subject: Question 5 Message-ID: <e5790t$8rv$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0803040405000804050504089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   H Is there a utilities command file that will search the UAF and report a * list of id's containing the last time they" accessed the system if any at all?   Thanks in Advance, Chuck   & --------------080304040500080405050408) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body bgcolor="#339999" text="#ffffff"> G Is there a utilities command file that will search the UAF and report a . list of id's containing the last time they<br>& accessed the system if any at all?<br> <br> Thanks in Advance,<br>	 Chuck<br>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------080304040500080405050408--   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 12:09:38 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Question (Last Login date) 3 Message-ID: <fPy9+vIX0wVy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   J > Is there a utilities command file that will search the UAF and report a , > list of id's containing the last time they$ > accessed the system if any at all?   $ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=SYSPRV $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: $ SPAWN/OUTPUT=SYS$LOGIN:TMP.TMP MCR AUTHORIZE SHOW */FULL  $ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=NOSYSPRV( $ SEARCH SYS$LOGIN:TMP.TMP USERNAME,LAST   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:44:51 -0400 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> ' Subject: Re: Question (Last Login date) 5 Message-ID: <e57eqj$btt$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>    Larry,  H Thank you very much. Would you happen to have something that will check  weblogs against the uaf 4 and report any users that have not accessed the web?   Thanks,  Chuck    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  J >>Is there a utilities command file that will search the UAF and report a , >>list of id's containing the last time they$ >>accessed the system if any at all? >>     >> >  >$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=SYSPRV  >$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM ; >$ SPAWN/OUTPUT=SYS$LOGIN:TMP.TMP MCR AUTHORIZE SHOW */FULL ! >$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=NOSYSPRV ) >$ SEARCH SYS$LOGIN:TMP.TMP USERNAME,LAST  >    >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:19 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? $ Message-ID: <e56bvr$885$1@online.de>  F In article <1148451629.383312.318900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "H# Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> writes:    E > when you connect the 5305 directly to the DSL router then you might D > want to measure performance between the FD and HD settings. I'd beE > interested to know if you measure differences. My 5305 lives in the 5 > attic and it's too b*y heavy to take it downstairs!    No difference!  :-(   H I had been asking about whether it was worth it to replace my hub with aG switch.  For the VAXes, probably not, since when I need speed is during H a shadow copy, but the bottleneck there is the 5 Mb/s SCSI of the VAXes.G However, I have a 6 Mb/s DSL connection and it would be nice to be able < to use that speed, especially when running CSWB on the 5305.  I Normally, I have all the VMS machines on a hub (which itself is probably  G capable of only 10 Mb/s) and the hub is connected via an uplink to the  E switch on a DSL router.  This switch can do 100 Mb/s full duplex.  I  G have a VOIP box connected to it, and the "full" and "100" lights light  < up.  Also, a PC can make use of the "full" and "100" lights.  E My ISP has a web page where one can test the current speed.  From the @ PC, I get the advertised 6 Mb/s.  From one of the machines in my; cluster, it varies between a few hundred kb/s and 2 Mb/s.     E I connected the 5305 directly to the switch and booted it.  It still  F functioned OK in the cluster.  However, the speed indicated by my ISP E was still the slow one, and also the "full" and "100" lights did not  > light up on the switch.  I was hoping that, even if it has to E communicate with my cluster at 10 Mb/s half duplex, perhaps it could  E communicate with the internet at 100 Mb/s full duplex.  That doesn't   seem to be the case, though.  D Of course, it still has to communicate with the cluster at the slow ? speed.  Maybe that slows down ALL traffic on its ethernet card.   A Replacing my 10 Mb/s hub with a 10 Mb/s switch would offer only a G minimal improvement.  Would it make sense to replace it with a 100 Mb/s H hub or switch?  (If I buy something new, it might as well be a switch.) D (Of course, it would have to be capable of negotiating at 10 Mb/s as well.)    I Of course, this assumes that the 5305 is capable of 100 Mb/s and/or full   duplex.   E I would like to have the 5305 communicate with the internet at 6 Mb/s I (or more, if I have a faster connection in the future) even if it has to  G communicate with the cluster at 10 Mb/s.  One way around this might be  ? to have two ethernet cards in the 5305 and use one for cluster  F communication and one for ethernet communication, but that would be a D lot of work, I have no experience with that and it would provide no G performance improvement at all for the rest of the cluster (except for  , reducing the number of collisions somewhat).  F I had hoped that plugging the 5305 directly into the switch, with the D rest of the nodes in the cluster connected to a hub uplinked to the F switch, would allow the 5305 to communicate faster with the internet, # but apparently that's not the case.   E Of course, if bandwidth-splitting is the main problem, then a faster  H internet connection would present a larger pie to be split up among the F various connections, but naturally it would be better for one node to = make full use of the high speed if there is no other traffic.      Cheers,    Phillip    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 05:26:06 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? C Message-ID: <1148646366.388202.151640@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > I connected the 5305 directly to the switch and booted it.  It stillG > functioned OK in the cluster.  However, the speed indicated by my ISP F > was still the slow one, and also the "full" and "100" lights did not? > light up on the switch.  I was hoping that, even if it has to F > communicate with my cluster at 10 Mb/s half duplex, perhaps it couldF > communicate with the internet at 100 Mb/s full duplex.  That doesn't > seem to be the case, though. >   E Make sure that the SRM console setting for the NIC have been changed. A  It's probably a DEC DE500 family card and they are notorious for A having problems doing an auto-negotiate.  Some switches they will A auto-negotiate fine with and others they will not.  If you had it F attached to a 10Mbs hub then it's probably set to "Twisted-Pair" whichG defaults to 10Mbs/Half Duplex.  When you attach it to the 100Mbs switch G you want to set it to "FastFD" (>>> set ewa0_mode fastfd) otherwise the D switch will just match itself to the NIC and you won't see any speed	 increase.   E > Of course, it still has to communicate with the cluster at the slow A > speed.  Maybe that slows down ALL traffic on its ethernet card.  >   E No.  The switch should handle all of that.  If the settings are right F it will talk to the 5305 at 100Mbs and buffer it to send to the hub at 10Mbs.  Automagically.  C > Replacing my 10 Mb/s hub with a 10 Mb/s switch would offer only a I > minimal improvement.  Would it make sense to replace it with a 100 Mb/s I > hub or switch?  (If I buy something new, it might as well be a switch.)   F You want a switch.  Even a dumb 100Mbs switch is minimally more than aF hub and it will benefit all of your systems.  A switch is much smarterC than a hub in that they memorize the MAC addresses at each port and E will only send data packets to the port required for its destination. D This means that systems do not see traffic that is not going to them? and it reduces the load on the NIC/system.  Plus with a hub the E bandwidth is shared among all ports whereas with a switch you get the ; full 100Mbs on each port (overkill, I know, for the VAXen).   F > (Of course, it would have to be capable of negotiating at 10 Mb/s as > well.)  4 It's rare to find a modern 100Mbs switch that can't.   > J > Of course, this assumes that the 5305 is capable of 100 Mb/s and/or full	 > duplex.   C I believe most AS1200/DEV5305's shipped with the DE500 NIC which is G 100Mbs/Full capable.  There is a chance that if you got an early one it B may have a DE450 which is 10Mbs only.  Check the output of a "Show3 config" on the console sometime if you're not sure.      > G > I would like to have the 5305 communicate with the internet at 6 Mb/s J > (or more, if I have a faster connection in the future) even if it has toH > communicate with the cluster at 10 Mb/s.  One way around this might be@ > to have two ethernet cards in the 5305 and use one for clusterG > communication and one for ethernet communication, but that would be a E > lot of work, I have no experience with that and it would provide no H > performance improvement at all for the rest of the cluster (except for. > reducing the number of collisions somewhat). > G > I had hoped that plugging the 5305 directly into the switch, with the E > rest of the nodes in the cluster connected to a hub uplinked to the G > switch, would allow the 5305 to communicate faster with the internet, % > but apparently that's not the case.  >   E Again, double check your console setting for ewa0_mode.  It should be G FastFD if you connect to the switch and Twisted-Pair f it's attached to D the 10Mbs hub.  You could try the Auto-Negotiate setting but I don't5 think it works for a DE500 (if that's what you have).   @ Also you can check what your connections is while VMS is running through the LanCP utility.   $ mcr lancp  LANCP> show dev /char eia0   Device Characteristics EIA0:'                   Value  Characteristic '                   -----  -------------- +                    1500  Device buffer size (                  Normal  Controller mode/                External  Internal loopback mode -       00-50-8B-E3-A2-9E  Hardware LAN address /                          Multicast address list -                 CSMA/CD  Communication medium ,       FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF  Current LAN address0                     128  Minimum receive buffers0                     256  Maximum receive buffers+                     Yes  Full duplex enable 0                     Yes  Full duplex operational,       00-50-8B-E3-A2-9E  Current LAN address(             TwistedPair  Line media type*                     100  Line speed (mbps))                 Enabled  Auto-negotiation %                 Enabled  Flow control %                Disabled  Jumbo frames *     Disabled/No Failset  Logical LAN state*                       0  Failover priority LANCP>  < Note the "Line speed", "Full duples enable" and "Full duplex? operational" values to see how the NIC is connecting under VMS.   F > Of course, if bandwidth-splitting is the main problem, then a fasterI > internet connection would present a larger pie to be split up among the G > various connections, but naturally it would be better for one node to ? > make full use of the high speed if there is no other traffic.  >  > 	 > Cheers,  > 	 > Phillip    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:21:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? , Message-ID: <4476F29F.83EB1FF4@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > a shadow copy, but the bottleneck there is the 5 Mb/s SCSI of the VAXes.I > However, I have a 6 Mb/s DSL connection and it would be nice to be able > > to use that speed, especially when running CSWB on the 5305.    2 5 megabytes per seconds != 6 megabits per seconds.    G > My ISP has a web page where one can test the current speed.  From the " > PC, I get the advertised 6 Mb/s.  D Most DSL providers actually provide ADSL. High speed from the net to' you, but low speed from you to the net.   E Here, I get 3Mb/s up,  only 800kbs down. (rumours that the telco will  upgrade to 5mbps soon)  F > I connected the 5305 directly to the switch and booted it.  It stillG > functioned OK in the cluster.  However, the speed indicated by my ISP  > was still the slow one,   A Most DSL modems only talk at 10mbps since it is more than enough.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:36:36 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? 2 Message-ID: <e56sol$7gf$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  , <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1148646366.388202.151640@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   H > When you attach it to the 100Mbs switch you want to set it to "FastFD"H > (>>> set ewa0_mode fastfd) otherwise the switch will just match itself2 > to the NIC and you won't see any speed increase.  D Word of warning: never set *one* end of a connection to full duplex.P If you can't manually set both ends, and are unwilling to trust autonegotiation, set it to half duplex.     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:19:40 -0500 / From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) : Message-ID: <j7qdnSrkjsXReevZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>  : In article <hvCdnejkK5FEtuvZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com>,2 Richard B. Gilbert <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote: >norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >  >>  M >> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote on 05/25/2006 10:39:32  >> AM: >>   >>   >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>> 0 >>>>In article <e54907$ljp$1@reader1.panix.com>,7 >>>>   John F <john@pleaseSeeSigForAddress.com> writes:  >>>> >>>>: >>>>>OP seems, in reply to your query, rather annoyed that= >>>>>nobody's willing to take on his brilliant idea for free.  >>  	 >> [snip]  >>  4 >>>Unix runs faster than VMS on comparable hardware. >>   >>  2 >> I just cannot let that statement go unremarked.D >> Unix may run faster, but without the reliability, so "comparable"E >> is as always dependent on the business problem needing a solution.  >> One man's meat....  >>   >>  G >>>The years have proven that fast and cheap beats "Better" every time.  >>   >>  = >> ..until the disaster strikes, then "cheap" becomes "oops."  >>   >>  G >>>Solaris is "Free".  The last time I looked, the cheapest VMS License K >>>cost something like $1500 US.  Technical support for Solaris on a single K >>>processor starts at $140/year.  It's $280 per year if you want telephone ? >>>support.  Technical support for VMS is more like $140/month.  >>   >>  I >> No argument here.  I don't know the figures, but VMS is not priced for ' >> volume sales and remains unmarketed.  >>   > A >Strangely enough, Unix, or at least Solaris, tends to be pretty  J >reliable.  It is not as user friendly as VMS and is laden with traps for J >the unwary but it will generally run as long as you remember to pay your H >electric bill.  Unskilled tinkering as root can and will bring it down G >but, as with VMS, there is no defense against privilege.  The Solaris  H >systems at my last job ran like the VMS systems and came down only for H >hardware maintenance or for power failures lasting longer than the run  >time of our UPS.  YMMV!  - The reliability issue is a red herring today.   1 I've got Linux systems up over two years at work. E If the hardware's healthy Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Linux and FreeBSD will  all get the job done.   3 VMS is head over heels better at clusters.  Period.   D However, for stuff like web serving, mail servers, dns etc the cheapH Intel box will get it done reliably... and you just put them up with N+1) count and shoot them when one goes south.   M I've used ultramonkey on linux to pair boxes up so if you shoot the power out C from box A... box B transparently picks up the IP address from A... H One web page refresh at the browser if it catches you and you never know something happened.   / Easy to drop one out for repair or maintenance.   H Not something you do with databases and such... but for DNS, Web Servers and such -- cheap and easy.    Bill --   --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!#   pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 05:29:12 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) C Message-ID: <1148646552.645856.164560@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   . vms is THE ideal platform for a web server ...C our vms web server has been up for 8 years straight now without ONE ! single problem ... no viruses, no / hacks, no unplanned downtime ... and it runs on  ONE box, not 88000 boxes ...  6 and security IS a issue ... so far all IP related CERT0 vulnerabilities have not affected OpenVMS unlike3 linux/unix/freebsd/max os x ... if you like being a 2 member of the patch of the week club, run them ...  5 for security and clustering and up time and real time % OpenVMS still is the best ... period.    There IS a difference ...    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 08:36:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) 3 Message-ID: <AXyxa+oAIQt3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <hvCdnejkK5FEtuvZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > B > Strangely enough, Unix, or at least Solaris, tends to be pretty  > reliable.   H    We've just gone through a series of security hits.  Every one of them?    on up to date, patched, firewall protected Solaris machines.   C    Personnaly I was a bit surprised by this because I was under the 9    impression Solaris was doing much better in this area.   ,    Without security there is no reliability.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2006 08:34:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) 3 Message-ID: <bA1uIssZiTkh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   O  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote on 05/25/2006 10:39:32 AM:   3 > Unix runs faster than VMS on comparable hardware.   G    Intentionally misleading FUD.  A subtract instruciotn, for instance, 9    depends only on the hardware and not at all on the OS.   I    What you get with VMS is the option to determine whether you want more F    reliable I/O or faster I/O since you control the buffering.  If youI    don't tell VMS otherwise, it will do realiable I/O.  You get what you      need.  I    With UNIX you get no choice other than to buy a megabucks DBMS if you      need reliable I/O.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:30:02 +0200 * From: nierveze <alain.nierveze@wanadoo.fr> Subject: vs4000/607 Message-ID: <447702dc$0$18328$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   G hello everyone,I am looking for the video cable for a vaxstation4000/60 0 with a 8  planes hr video card and the monitor ." any adress where to buy it ?thanks
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 <<< PASV? >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,8,71)p <<< RETR cache_view.h8 >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick/cache_view.h (2368 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1728 (8) bytes transferred.K <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magickfY >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick.r
 <<< PASV? >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,8,72)i <<< RETR client.cP| >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick/client.c (7950 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  7410 (8) bytes transferred.K <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magickcY >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick./
 <<< PASV? >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,8,73)2 <<< RETR client.hd| >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick/client.h (1067 bytes) started.9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  981 (8) bytes transferred.K <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magickcY >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick./
 <<< PASV? >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,8,74)2 <<< RETR coder.c| >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick/coder.c (30576 bytes) started.; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  29840 (8) bytes transferred.K <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magickcY >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/imagemagick/imagemagick-6_1_5/magick./
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