1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 27 May 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 293       Contents: Re: 2 Nameservers on 1 node $ Re: Compaq board member sent to jail DCL: IF   and .AND.  logic Re: DCL: IF and .AND. logic ! Re: Educating potential VMS users P RE: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other cpus on the market says InquP Re: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other cpus on the market says Inqu0 Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub?D Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:56:12 -0700 # From: "Tom LINDEN" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: 2 Nameservers on 1 node) Message-ID: <op.s97njyd6lvpiaf@hyrrokkin>   @ On Sat, 27 May 2006 07:41:36 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER  =   <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:   E > I have 2 nameservers in my network. One for the outside/Internet  =    > (external I > IP addresses, few nodes, non recursive) and one for the inside/Intrane=  t B > (RFC1918 addresses, more nodes, recursive). And due to server  =   > consolidation I > I'd like to run them on the same Alpha. Problem is the same domain nam=  e. >  > Has anyone done this already? @ > What problems should I expect (except eventually unsupported)?< > Do I need BIND9 (means TCPIP instead of TCPware) for this? >  > TIA  > E This is not quite the same, but I give each node a RFC1918 IP address G alias, 10.0.0.x  in addition to their externally routable IPs.  The W2K @ servers have only RFC1918 IPs and they are NATted in the router,B so they are not exposed to the outside.  So the W2K box thinks theE DNS address is 10.0.0.x, even though it is running on a VMS node with I a routable IP.  Seems to me you could do something similar.  With ifconf=  igF you can create more than one alias, so you could have isolated subnets on the same lan.   Tom    ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2006 07:45:10 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Compaq board member sent to jail 3 Message-ID: <CGvXlZXfQ4Fl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <slrne7f606.3uh.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes: Z > In article <YqGdnWX855SBC-rZ4p2dnA@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >>7 >>> (they are already in way over their heads with intl : >>> affairs). Are prisons private enterprises in the USA ? >> >> No! > C > I hate to be off-topic, but a number of prisons are indeed run by  > private contractors. > % > I wonder if they use VMS there. :-)   = There is one popular prison management package that uses Rdb.   / > (And if so, that'd be the ultimate in irony.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:12:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: DCL: IF   and .AND.  logic , Message-ID: <447817C9.26648DB3@teksavvy.com>   $A = 2 $B = 3G $ IF (A .AND. B) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Chocolate"    ! writes nothing    O $ IF (A .AND. B) .ne. 0 then WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Rasberry"    ! writes "Rasberry"      However: $A = 3 $B = 5K $ IF (A .AND. B) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Chocolate"    ! writes  "Chocolate"   E Is it correct to state that the IF THEN/ELSE code only checks for the G low order bit of the logical value in order to determine if a condition G is true or false ?  Is this actually documented somehwere, or just some  implementation quirk ?  F I was under the impression that it would check for a non-zero value ofE the whole longword instead of a specific bit within it. (which is the A case for many high level languages which test for 0 or non-zero).     G If it is truly documented that it only checksz the first bit, I take it % it was to allow to do something like:   + $IF $STATUS THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "SUCCESS"   ! Is such a construct widely used ?    ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2006 06:15:29 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> $ Subject: Re: DCL: IF and .AND. logicB Message-ID: <1148735729.876430.31700@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > $A = 2 > $B = 3H > $ IF (A .AND. B) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Chocolate"    ! writes nothing > Q > $ IF (A .AND. B) .ne. 0 then WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Rasberry"    ! writes "Rasberry"  >  > 
 > However: > $A = 3 > $B = 5M > $ IF (A .AND. B) THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Chocolate"    ! writes  "Chocolate"  > G > Is it correct to state that the IF THEN/ELSE code only checks for the I > low order bit of the logical value in order to determine if a condition I > is true or false ?  Is this actually documented somehwere, or just some  > implementation quirk ? > H > I was under the impression that it would check for a non-zero value ofG > the whole longword instead of a specific bit within it. (which is the C > case for many high level languages which test for 0 or non-zero).  >  > I > If it is truly documented that it only checksz the first bit, I take it ' > it was to allow to do something like:  > - > $IF $STATUS THEN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "SUCCESS"  > # > Is such a construct widely used ?   # >From the VMS DCL Dictionary, "IF":   E "The IF command tests the value of an expression and executes a given G command if the result of the expression is true. The expression is true E if the result has an odd integer value, a character string value that G begins with the letters Y, y, T, or t, or an odd numeric string value."   C "The expression is false if the result has an even integer value, a E character string value that begins with any letter except Y, y, T, or $ t, or an even numeric string value."  C So basically what you asked about checking the first bit is correct 9 since that is the deciding bit if a value is odd or even.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:55:29 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> * Subject: Re: Educating potential VMS users9 Message-ID: <__Xdg.2470$ho5.202004@news20.bellglobal.com>   ' <davidc@montagar.com> wrote in message  < news:1148614589.132692.40480@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...G >I just picked up at Boot Camp this week a book titled "The Minimum You I > Need to Know to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer", ISBN 0-97798660-7 F > by Roland Hughes.  I haven't read the whole thing (going to sessionsD > and such), but the index and what I have seen appears to provide aG > pretty straight forward and concise course.  There are even exersizes I > (with answers), so the book could be used as a textbook.  Even includes A > a CDROM with source code used as part of the samples/exersizes.  >   L This is the best VMS Applications programming manual I've seen in 15 years. K I purchased 3 copies for my shop and recommend other companies do the same  I thing if you want OpenVMS to be around after you retire. There is no way  K younger programmers are going to have a clue about things like CDD (common  G data dictionary) or CMS (code management system) unless they can get a  J bootstrap from a seasoned programmer like the author of this book, Roland  Hughes.   9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/04/02/4453076   D http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/rms_rdb_notes.html#the_minimum  M Caveat: At first blush many are going to think US$90 might be a little steep  L for a single book w/CD-ROM. This book is ~ 800 pages and is 1.5 inches (3.8 
 cm) thick.  M On a related note, many OpenVMS people I bump into like to complain about no  K programming manuals being published for our favourite OS. Well here is our  J chance to support this author and hopefully he will publish other OpenVMS M books. (I contacted him and he is considering a book on Java programming for  M OpenVMS but this project will only happen if there is decent support for his  
 current book)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:38:57 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other cpus on the market says Inqu T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684014ACD9C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]=20 > Sent: May 24, 2006 8:28 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other=20 # > cpus on the market says Inquirer.  >=20; > In article <kC2dg.1034$D77.765@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff=20 + > Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes: @ > >                                                   (I know=20 > I'm working to=20 : > >make OpenVMS I64 an attractive target, if and when a=20 > customer needs to=20; > >move from an OpenVMS VAX or an OpenVMS Alpha system. =20  >=20< > Needs to move away is clear as there is no newer/bigger=20 > system than a Marvel. = > When to move away is unclear as there is still no Itanic=20  > application for us. B > Not even Oracle (now planned for later this year, was planned=20 > for last year)> > despite the application itself which needs Oracle Classic=20 > (9?) beside/beneath.? > I hope we can wait that long for the Itanic version, but I=20  > see Solaris coming.  >=20< > And as our application still doesn't run with the TCPIP=20 > scalable kernel, the? > end of support for V7.3-2 at the end of this year is a big=20  > road block, too! >=20  H Peter .. As can be seen from the following chart, V7.3-2 will have priorH version support (PVS) until at least 2011 and after that, with a minimum 24 month notice requirement.  ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/openvms_supportchart.html   $ (web site describes what PVS offers)   Regards    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:16:51 -0700 # From: "Tom LINDEN" <tom@kednos.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other cpus on the market says Inqu ) Message-ID: <op.s97radj9lvpiaf@hyrrokkin>   I On Sat, 27 May 2006 06:38:57 -0700, Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrot=  e:   >  >  >> -----Original Message----- @ >> From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at] >> Sent: May 24, 2006 8:28 PM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com? >> Subject: Re: OT: Woodcrest (X86-64) will ouperform all other $ >> cpus on the market says Inquirer. >>9 >> In article <kC2dg.1034$D77.765@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff , >> Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:> >> >                                                   (I know >> I'm working to 8 >> >make OpenVMS I64 an attractive target, if and when a >> customer needs to8 >> >move from an OpenVMS VAX or an OpenVMS Alpha system. >>: >> Needs to move away is clear as there is no newer/bigger >> system than a Marvel.; >> When to move away is unclear as there is still no Itanic  >> application for us.@ >> Not even Oracle (now planned for later this year, was planned >> for last year) < >> despite the application itself which needs Oracle Classic >> (9?) beside/beneath. = >> I hope we can wait that long for the Itanic version, but I  >> see Solaris coming. >>: >> And as our application still doesn't run with the TCPIP >> scalable kernel, the = >> end of support for V7.3-2 at the end of this year is a big  >> road block, too!  >> > I > Peter .. As can be seen from the following chart, V7.3-2 will have pri=  orI > version support (PVS) until at least 2011 and after that, with a minim=  um > 24 month notice requirement. > = > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/openvms_supportchart.html  > & > (web site describes what PVS offers) > 	 > Regards  >   C I find it interesting that VAX 5.5-2 and 6.2 have PVS sustaining  =    engineering I thru 2011.  From which one must conclude that there are still a number o=  f  =   VAXen I that never went to Alpha.  Question is, will they go to IA64?  We have o=  neI large customer just now moving from VAX to Alpha, and of course, they ha=  ve  =    no6 interest in Itanium since there is no PL/I there, yet.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:11:27 -0500 / From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) 9 Subject: Re: speeding up LAVC with switch instead of hub? : Message-ID: <RMednR31aeySw-XZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com>  ; In article <8c7cd$447832e2$50db5015$22322@news.hispeed.ch>, 1 Paul Sture  <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:  >JF Mezei wrote:2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>   >>  H >>>My ISP has a web page where one can test the current speed.  From the# >>>PC, I get the advertised 6 Mb/s.  >>   >>  G >> Most DSL providers actually provide ADSL. High speed from the net to * >> you, but low speed from you to the net. >>  H >> Here, I get 3Mb/s up,  only 800kbs down. (rumours that the telco will >> upgrade to 5mbps soon)  >>   > J >If the telco does upgrade, make sure you ask for it. I say this since my I >cable company has just upgraded their standard package to 3000/256 kbs,  H >and my latest bill says that's what I'm on, but my connection is still - >only giving me the previous. slower, speeds.     G One thing I've seen is that the cable modem needs to have it's settings F reloaded for the higher speed.  Although they could reprogram them allF on a schedule from the head end, it seems they tell you to power them F off so they get the new settings on their reload.  That way they don'tC get extra work beyond making the change in the provisioning system.   D Every so often (6 months or so) I power mine off to clear it in case+ they've slipstreamed in some more upgrades.   B I put the damned thing on a UPS along with the firewall Linux box,L my ethernet switches, cordless phones and my voip box so local thunderstorms don't drop me 5 times a week.    Bill   --   --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!#   pechter-at-ureachtechnologies.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:36:16 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> M Subject: Re: Unix runs faster, maybe (was: Re: Educating potential VMS users) 0 Message-ID: <39adncKpx-Z8_uXZRVn-rg@comcast.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:9 > On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:12:40 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert"  ! > <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  >    > B >>Strangely enough, Unix, or at least Solaris, tends to be pretty K >>reliable.  It is not as user friendly as VMS and is laden with traps for  K >>the unwary but it will generally run as long as you remember to pay your  I >>electric bill.  Unskilled tinkering as root can and will bring it down  H >>but, as with VMS, there is no defense against privilege.  The Solaris I >>systems at my last job ran like the VMS systems and came down only for  I >>hardware maintenance or for power failures lasting longer than the run   >>time of our UPS.  YMMV!  >  > H > It seems to help if you reboot 'em twice a week - well ours anyway :-) >     F My Solaris (8 & 9) systems here at home generally run from the end of H one power outrage to the beginning of the next, as does my Alphastation F 200 (VMS V7.2-1).  Power outrages are frequent here and last anywhere I from 2 to 21 hours.  I have UPS's but all they really buy me is time for  I a clean shutdown.  (I keep promising to treat myself to a 3KVA Generator  F to keep a few essentials running until the power company gets its act 5 together but I'm on a fixed income these days. . . .)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.293 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         5 2001  vax85d56 >>> 550 %%RMS-F-SYN, file specification syntax error
 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,212)1 <<< LIST / 5 2001  vax86a66 >>> 550 %%RMS-F-SYN, file specification syntax error
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 <<< PASVA >>> 227 Entering passive mode; use PORT (198,151,12,104,16,214)1 <<< LIST / 5 2001  vax86