1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 542       Contents: Re: Baltimore OpenVMS Position1 RE: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY 1 Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY 1 Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY B Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)?B Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)?. Re: Debugger GUI only working on some machines! Re: DECWindows: X-terminal only ? + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l  Re: hsz40 firmware question  Re: hsz40 firmware question  Re: MntVerifyTimeout% Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities % Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities % Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities % Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities % Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities $ OT: OM (Scandinavian stock exchange) Re: Outsourcing of VMS ? Re: Outsourcing of VMS ? Re: Outsourcing of VMS ?P Re: RC25 (was: Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server?) serveP Re: RC25 (was: Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server?) serve) Re: SPAWN numbering of subprocesses (8.2)  Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au , Re: SYSMAN suggestion (SET ENV/ARCHITECTURE)! Re: TCPIP Services V5.5 questions < Re: Where will the FAQ be, and what about the Freeware CD's?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:29:38 GMT - From: "Randy Doering" <rdoering2@verizon.net> ' Subject: Re: Baltimore OpenVMS Position ' Message-ID: <62jUg.4632$753.3@trnddc05>   M Hal, Your looking for a "JR OpenVMS" (Is there such a thing?) admin that you  ! want to convert to Linux/Windows?    Where are your priorities?  % Hope things are going well at Tessco.    Randy     2 "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote in message # news:%%YTg.1411$pS3.441@trnddc01... K >I have a need for a JR OpenVMS admin a bit north of Baltimore... full time A > permanent... if you are very good w/Hardware and want to learn   > Linux/Windows J > in a great environment..... also looking for programmer with 3GL OpenvmsL > experience... very generous finders fee if you can send on a lead for good > DBL programmer...  > 
 > Hal Kuff > VP Technology Services > Kuff at tessco.com >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:34:48 -0400, From: <Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com>: Subject: RE: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRYM Message-ID: <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633363C889@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com>   < Too funny, I haven't a clue how that was managed...  Thanks!  ' Barry Treahy, Jr                    =20  Vice President/CIO Midwest Microwave, Inc. , Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions, E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com Phone: 480/314-1320  Cell:     480/216-9568 Fax:     480/661-7028  =20 2                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!=20   -----Original Message-----6 From: David Biddulph [mailto:david@biddulph.org.uk]=20& Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : Subject: Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY  9 Not case sensitive, but wanted O C T instead of Zero C T.  --=20  David Biddulph  : <Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com> wrote in message=20G news:63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633363C875@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com... G Anyone else seen this and know if it's been confirmed, let alone fixed? ? I'd never expect to see a case-sensitive problem in DCL, but...   	 V4100$ bq   ) Batch queue SYS$BARCODE, idle, on V4100::        Generic batch queue SYS$BATCH       - Batch queue SYS$BATCH_V4100, idle, on V4100::       4   Entry  Jobname         Username             Status  4   -----  -------         --------             ------  )     924  MGR12X_EXHIBIT_134_SUMMARIZATION   G                          MONTHEND             Holding until  3-OCT-2006  20:30:08.79       6 V4100$ set entry 924/after=3D"02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00"  C %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC  format    \02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00\  6 V4100$ set entry 924/after=3D"02-OCT-2006:05:00:00.00"           Barry Treahy, Jr   Vice President/CIO   Midwest Microwave, Inc.   , Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions  , E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com   Phone: 480/314-1320    Cell:     480/216-9568 Fax:     480/661-7028       /                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:34:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY, Message-ID: <452169CE.53AB2A6B@teksavvy.com>  - > Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote: 6 > V4100$ set entry 924/after="02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00" > E > %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC  > format  C I just tried it on one of my vaxes, and it accepted Oct without any G complaints. As someone else said, you may have typed zero ct instead of  Oh ct    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:11:52 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> : Subject: Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY: Message-ID: <VN6dnUREReoEHbzYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>  + Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote: J > Anyone else seen this and know if its been confirmed, let alone fixed? ? > Id never expect to see a case-sensitive problem in DCL, but  >  > V4100$ bq  > + > Batch queue SYS$BARCODE, idle, on V4100::  >  >    >  > Generic batch queue SYS$BATCH  >  >    > / > Batch queue SYS$BATCH_V4100, idle, on V4100::  >  >    > 6 >   Entry  Jobname         Username             Status > 6 >   -----  -------         --------             ------ > + >     924  MGR12X_EXHIBIT_134_SUMMARIZATION  > J >                          MONTHEND             Holding until  3-OCT-2006 
 > 20:30:08.79  >  >    > 6 > V4100$ set entry 924/after="02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00" > L > %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC format >  >  \02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00\ > 6 > V4100$ set entry 924/after="02-OCT-2006:05:00:00.00" >  >    >  >    > & > Barry Treahy, Jr                         Remove the quotes!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:23:18 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> K Subject: Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? : Message-ID: <b4CdnRlGeJHVHrzYnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   H > In article <eoednf_uF9aC9r3YnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B., > Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  >  > 1 >>Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  >>I >>>In article <ZrWdnfL0KNcIkb3YnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. - >>>Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:   >>>  >>> J >>>>Think about how hubs and switches have to work.  On the hub, only one E >>>>node at a time can talk; everyone else must listen.  On a switch  I >>>>everybody can talk at once and the switch buffers things in internal  L >>>>memory.  I don't believe you can do full duplex on a hub but you can on J >>>>a switch.  I suspect that the size of the memory buffer in the switch ; >>>>might have limited the transfer rate between the VAXen.  >>> J >>>Makes sense.  In that case, what sort of specs should I be looking for  >>>when buying a switch? >>>  >>4 >>Sorry, I've never bought a switch in that class.   >  > C > Neither have I.  I'm looking for a performance improvement for a  H > hobbyist cluster of a few nodes with 5 Mb/s SCSI being the bottleneck K > and am wondering whether I should pay EUR 80 or, day, 120 if I can get a   > larger memory buffer.  >   I I've never seen a memory specification for the little four or eight port  I   consumer market switches.  Most of them are sold to people who want to  F plug in two desktops, a laptop and a printer.  The environment is not = terribly demanding and the performance is generally adequate.   F I think that, if you want high performance hardware, you will have to  pay high performance prices.  I Before you spend a few thousand dollars on a high performance switch you  E might want to connect the two machines back to back with a crossover  D cable just to be sure that the switch is the performance bottleneck!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:15:35 GMT % From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> K Subject: Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? 0 Message-ID: <HYhUg.568$ck2.181@news.cpqcorp.net>  Q Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiclothesvax.de> wrote: D > Makes sense.  In that case, what sort of specs should I be looking > for when buying a switch?   C Well, the ProCurve 408 (www.hp.com/go/procurve) might be a place to  start.  = WRT "speed" differences between hubs and switches, as already E pointed-out the bigggest difference is that on a hub the bandwidth is D shared between all nodes.  On a switch, traffic isolation means thatB you can have multiple parties talking one to the other not sharing@ bandwidth (well apart from the backplane bandwidth in the switch itself).  B If one is on a hub that means half-duplex and that means, in broadD handwaving terms, and assuming TCP (which isn't necessarily the case? but hopefully this will be a fishing lesson applicable to other B protocols), there will be one ACK for every two TCP data segments.> The minium frame size is 60 bytes, so we have "link-rate beingE (2*1460)/(60+2*1518) or 2920/3096 or ~94% of link-rate (eg 9.4 Mbit/s : on 10 Mbit, 94 Mbit/s on 100BT) With a switch, you can runF full-duplex, which means the ACK no longer counts against the overheadD (it travels on the other side)  which takes us to ~96% of link-rate.  F If however, you have multiple ports trying to talk to the same port onE the switch, you can overflow that ports buffers and get packet losses D that would not happen if everything were on a hub - the CSMA/CD acts as flow-control.  E On the downside, CSMA/CD can be vulnerable to something known as "the A capture effect" whereby a "fast enough" sender can "hog" the link F until it runs-out of data to send.  The other stations can end-up withD rather long back-off timers and the link can end-up being idle for a< period of time, reducing overall performance.  The advent ofD full-duplex basically nixed the change from CSMA/CD to "BLAM" - full8 duplex, no CSMA/CD, no capture effect, no need for BLAM.  H WRT duplex, some possibly useful boilerplat that may be old-hat to many:  * How 100Base-T Autoneg is supposed to work:  E When both sides of the link are set to autoneg, they will "negotiate" > the duplex setting and select full-duplex if both sides can do full-duplex.  C If one side is hardcoded and not using autoneg, the autoneg process E will "fail" and the side trying to autoneg is required by spec to use  half-duplex mode.   E If one side is using half-duplex, and the other is using full-duplex, # sorrow and woe is the usual result.   E So, the following table shows what will happen given various settings 
 on each side:   +                  Auto       Half       Full   ,    Auto        Happiness   Lucky      Sorrow  ,    Half        Lucky       Happiness  Sorrow  /    Full        Sorrow      Sorrow     Happiness   C Happiness means that there is a good shot of everything going well. D Lucky means that things will likely go well, but not because you did@ anything correctly :) Sorrow means that there _will_ be a duplex
 mis-match.  D When there is a duplex mismatch, on the side running half-duplex youB will see various errors and probably a number of _LATE_ collisions< ("normal" collisions don't count here).  On the side runningA full-duplex you will see things like FCS errors.  Note that those B errors are not necessarily conclusive, they are simply indicators.  D Further, it is important to keep in mind that a "clean" ping (or the> like - eg "linkloop" or default netperf TCP_RR) test result isE inconclusive here - a duplex mismatch causes lost traffic _only_ when D both sides of the link try to speak at the same time. A typical pingD test, being synchronous, one at a time request/response, never tries, to have both sides talking at the same time.  D Finally, when/if you migrate to 1000Base-T, everything has to be set to auto-neg anyway.      --  = denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, rebirth... C                                      where do you want to be today? F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)E feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com  but NOT BOTH...    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2006 14:59:12 -0700  From: amelia_airhead@yahoo.com7 Subject: Re: Debugger GUI only working on some machines C Message-ID: <1159826352.413688.202470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: ! > amelia_airhead@yahoo.com wrote: I > >   run theProgram.exe - The GUI flashes up on the screen and goes away  > > immediately. >  > $SHOW LOG DBG* >  > then > & > $ HELP/LIBRARY=SYS$HELP:DBG$HELP.HLB >  > and choose "Logical Names" > J > Make sure any debugger logical name is properly defined/undefined. Also,G > you may wish to define a SYS$OUTPUT/SYS$ERROR to point to a file that ? > might record some messages which would otherwise not be seen.  > F > It could be some font that is missing on your X terminal, or perhapsD > DEUG using unconventional X commands which fail on your X terminal > causing it to die.  D   I wrote all the logicals to a file and diff'ed the logicals of the
 two machines. B The logicals are the same on the working and non-working machines.  <   I deleted everything in the Options file, saved to a local VMSDEBUG.DAT andE retried on one non-working and the good machine.  While the fonts and  buttons @ now look different, the GUI still has the same behavior for both
 machines, one E works, one doesn't.  If it's an unconventional X command, wouldn't it  fail on all of
 the machines?      Thanks, Amelia   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2006 21:42:28 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: DECWindows: X-terminal only ?, Message-ID: <452187c4$1@news.langstoeger.at>  Y In article <4520feb7$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: K >You can start the server itself without the login box etc.  As said above, K >there is probably a way in the template files.  However, you will not have J >any authorization information.  So you need to create the equivalent of a: >xhosts list - which I think would be named something like >TRUSTED_ACCESS_ALLOWED.DAT.  * SYS$STARTUP:DECW$SERVER_ACCESS_ALLOWED.DAT* SYS$STARTUP:DECW$SERVER_ACCESS_TRUSTED.DAT  J Refer to the HP DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Management Guide (or similar)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:54:42 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l2 Message-ID: <06100212544209_2020028F@antinode.org>  / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>   F > Can the RRD45 be successfully connected to an Ultra-SCSI controller? > J > This is of interest to me too, as I have an external RRD43-DA, known to J > work with a VAXstation 3100, but when I recently tried connecting it to 9 > a PWS 600au, I couldn't even see it at the boot prompt.   D    I can't speak for anything so new as an RRD43 or RRD45, but I didG just connect an RRD42-DA (circa July 1992) to a KZPBA-CX in an XP1000.  D I could boot (sloooowly) from a (factory-pressed) VMS CD-ROM, and it+ seems to work about as well under VMS V8.2:    ALP2 $ show devi /full dkb400   I Disk ALP2$DKB400:, device type RRD42, is online, allocated, deallocate on N     dismount, mounted, software write-locked, file-oriented device, shareable,3     available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  [...]   E    It does seem to be pretty slow (1X), and it does not do so well on F CD-R discs, but I see no evidence of any actual SCSI incompatibilities in my (very) limited testing.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:07:28 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10lJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-47DA8C.20072802102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  B In article <1159805446.472077.327140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,=  "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote:     @ > I state one of my favorite truisms again, just for the record: > . > Neither "S" in "SCSI" stands for "Standard". >  > CRUDE HARDWARE RULE OF THUMB:  > I > This completely ignores underlying electronic issues like SE, LVD, etc, ) > but it's been fairly consistent for me:  > H > It's been my experience that you don't usually get good results if youI > try to jump more than one level of SCSI in terms of pinnage- i.e. 68 to D > 50-pin will usually work,  a 50-pin device won't usually work with > anything above 68 pin. > D > And according to this crude rule of thumb, it probably won't work. >    Repeats to myself:  E I _should not post_ when the damned woman next door plays loud music  < well into the night and leaves me frazzled for the next day.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:38:27 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l) Message-ID: <op.tgs4qdsitte90l@hyrrokkin>   0 On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:07:28 -0700, Paul Sture  % <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:    > Repeats to myself:F > I _should not post_ when the damned woman next door plays loud music> > well into the night and leaves me frazzled for the next day.  E Years ago, I had a friend in Stockholm with the same problem.  He put G his speakers against the offending wall turned the volume high and went 4 to Mallorca for two weeks.  Problem resolved itself.   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:35:30 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l9 Message-ID: <-sGdnXkQC-eDGbzYnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Tom Linden wrote: 1 > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:07:28 -0700, Paul Sture  ' > <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:  >  >> Repeats to myself: G >> I _should not post_ when the damned woman next door plays loud music ? >> well into the night and leaves me frazzled for the next day.  > G > Years ago, I had a friend in Stockholm with the same problem.  He put I > his speakers against the offending wall turned the volume high and went 6 > to Mallorca for two weeks.  Problem resolved itself. > I > --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/   I Several cures, and the above is one of them.  If using this option, make  D sure you have the really big Bose speakers.  Be prepared to replace 
 wall.  :-)  D Some good ANR headsets also work.  If you can be sitting in a small G aircraft, not hear the engine, and the aircraft is not heading for the  D ground, then you know they're good ANR headsets.  Bose has some for F about a grand.  LightSpeed has some that users claim are as good, and  cost much less.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:09:37 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> $ Subject: Re: hsz40 firmware question* Message-ID: <452163F1.3030801@mehlhop.org>   Bob Blunt wrote: > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > H >> We have 4 hsz40's 2 have a recent version of the firmware and 2 have B >> older versions which do not support 18.2 GB disks.  Is there a E >> documented procedure to copy the firmware from the good hsz's and  $ >> migrate it to the older version?? >> > I > Jim, there's no software or tools on the HSx controller itself to copy  K > the PCMCIA card and migrate the firmware around.  Getting cards with the  , > firmware already resident is the only way. >  > bob  > G OK does anyone have a line on purchasing an update firmware PCMCIA card    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:19:27 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>$ Subject: Re: hsz40 firmware question) Message-ID: <op.tgs6mpvztte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:09:37 -0700, Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote:   > Bob Blunt wrote: >> Jim Mehlhop wrote:  >>J >>> We have 4 hsz40's 2 have a recent version of the firmware and 2 have  D >>> older versions which do not support 18.2 GB disks.  Is there a  G >>> documented procedure to copy the firmware from the good hsz's and   % >>> migrate it to the older version??  >>> L >>  Jim, there's no software or tools on the HSx controller itself to copy  I >> the PCMCIA card and migrate the firmware around.  Getting cards with   1 >> the firmware already resident is the only way.  >>  bob  >>I > OK does anyone have a line on purchasing an update firmware PCMCIA card   < I have two V8.5F.  If your interested send me a note offline   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:04:33 -0400 From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com> Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout , Message-ID: <452154b2$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L MntVerifyTimeoutFor a disk to be in MntVerifyTimeout, VMS has not been able M to 'talk' to it for more than MVTIMEOUT amount of time.  Look back thru your  K OPERATOR.LOG for the notices of when the disk went into mount verify.  You  K will need to have the errorlog analyzed to see if there is an error logged   for this disk.  G To try to use the disk, use DISMOUNT/ABORT DKA100: on all nodes in the  + cluster and then attempt to mount the disk.     C >"O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message  V > >news:0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBAF@ex-tg2->pr.corporate.transgrid.local...    J First, I apologise if this is an inappropriate form of text.  From my VMS M boxes I have to use OWA to access email via Mozilla, and I have found no way  K to set to plain text.  I now tend to avoid posting answers that I may know  8 because of this.  But this is a request for info ... :-)   I have an ES40 on VMS 8.2.  L Today I tried to do our monthly backup.  For some reason, one disk went (or   had been) into MntVerifyTimeout.  J I tried $ dismount/nounload/override=check DKA100. This showed the device I status as MntVerifyTimeout and on the next line dismounted (but with the  K device label).  I then checked the HELP for DISMOUNT and realised I should  L have also use /abort.  So I re-tried with $ mount/system DKA100 {label} and M was told that the device is already mounted and a second message saying that  ! it is not available for mounting.   K So I tried  another dismount with $ dismount/nounload/override=check/abort  L DKA100.  The message I got was that the device is not mounted.  (I have not L cut and pasted the actual messages, but I'm sure you know them - my summary - is essentially the text part of the message).   ' a). What could have caused the problem; L b). How, short of re-booting, can I clear this and try remounting the disk? 4 I have spare disks if the disk itself has gone AWOL    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:49:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities, Message-ID: <45216D5A.D4C2D21B@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: ! > > VAX VMS 7.2 and ALPHA VMS 8.2  > 7 > I'm pretty sure that's not a supported configuration.     H I don't expect support. But generally, over VMS' history, "unsuppported"U simply meant that the engineers didn't have the time to test a certain configuration.   B But in this case, it does appear that MONITOR changed sufficiently enough to become incompatible.  F Note: Microvax II with 16 meg of memory, runnnig decnet, TCPIP, ALLIN1; was most definitely not supported , but it ran/walked fine.    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:42:17 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities$ Message-ID: <efrtj9$12j$1@online.de>  5 In article <45216D5A.D4C2D21B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: # > > > VAX VMS 7.2 and ALPHA VMS 8.2  > > 9 > > I'm pretty sure that's not a supported configuration.  >  > J > I don't expect support. But generally, over VMS' history, "unsuppported"W > simply meant that the engineers didn't have the time to test a certain configuration.  > D > But in this case, it does appear that MONITOR changed sufficiently  > enough to become incompatible. > H > Note: Microvax II with 16 meg of memory, runnnig decnet, TCPIP, ALLIN1= > was most definitely not supported , but it ran/walked fine.    There are many possibilities:   #    o  tried it, works, is supported   '    o  tried it, works, is not supported   .    o  tried it, doesn't work, is not supported  %    o  didn't try it, is not supported   2 I don't know the relative numbers for these cases.  G When really old hardware is not supported, it might be due to the fact  I that there is no demand, it takes too long to test etc.  However, when a  F relatively recent version of VMS is not supported, there are probably  other reasons.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:14:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities, Message-ID: <4521811E.D9D4C171@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > When really old hardware is not supported, it might be due to the factJ > that there is no demand, it takes too long to test etc.  However, when aG > relatively recent version of VMS is not supported, there are probably  > other reasons.    G I think that from the VMS management's point of view, 7.2 is older than 
 5.5-2 on VAX.   E Consider the 100k customers still on VAX. Seems that an awfull lot of E them stopped building their VMS infrastructure at 5.5-2 and are stuck C there in a time warp. Those who did upgrade are probably willing to H constantly upgrade and are not stuck at a particular version, so if theyG made it to 7.2, it is likely that they could go to 7.3 (except for loss  of display postscript).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:28:31 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities: Message-ID: <3aKdndrchJMcGbzYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   7 > In article <4520C132.F4E35E51@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ) > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   >  > A >>FYI, it appears that MONITOR CLUSTER does not interwork between  >> >>VAX VMS 7.2 and ALPHA VMS 8.2  >  > 7 > I'm pretty sure that's not a supported configuration.  >   I I'm pretty sure you're right.  ISTR that the rule is that two "adjacent"  E VMS versions are supported for the purpose of rolling upgrades only.  G That means that you can have V7.1 and V7.2 in the same cluster but not   V6.2 and V7.1.  5 Other configurations may WORK but you're on your own!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:52:08 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>. Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities) Message-ID: <op.tgti86tdtte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:42:17 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  . reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  7 > In article <45216D5A.D4C2D21B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > 2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:$ >> > > VAX VMS 7.2 and ALPHA VMS 8.2 >> >: >> > I'm pretty sure that's not a supported configuration. >> >>K >> I don't expect support. But generally, over VMS' history, "unsuppported" K >> simply meant that the engineers didn't have the time to test a certain    >> configuration.  >>E >> But in this case, it does appear that MONITOR changed sufficiently ! >> enough to become incompatible.  >>I >> Note: Microvax II with 16 meg of memory, runnnig decnet, TCPIP, ALLIN1 > >> was most definitely not supported , but it ran/walked fine. >  > There are many possibilities:  > % >    o  tried it, works, is supported  > ) >    o  tried it, works, is not supported  > 0 >    o  tried it, doesn't work, is not supported > ' >    o  didn't try it, is not supported  > 4 > I don't know the relative numbers for these cases. > H > When really old hardware is not supported, it might be due to the factJ > that there is no demand, it takes too long to test etc.  However, when aG > relatively recent version of VMS is not supported, there are probably  > other reasons. >   K Unfortunately this symptomatic of the changed VMS engineering.  Note that    you can % execute 360 object module under z/os.    I run the following cluster   i ┌───────────────────────┬─────────┐ ) │        SYSTEMS        │ MEMBERS │ i ├────────┬──────────────┼─────────┤ + │  NODE  │   SOFTWARE   │  STATUS │ i ├────────┼──────────────┼─────────┤ / │ ODIN   │ VMS V8.3     │ MEMBER  │ AXP / │ HERMES │ VMS V7.3     │ MEMBER  │ VAX / │ HAFNER │ VMS V7.3-2   │ MEMBER  │ AXP / │ NORNS  │ VMS V7.3-1   │ MEMBER  │ AXP / │ FREJA  │ VMS V8.2     │ MEMBER  │ AXP i └────────┴──────────────┴─────────┘ -    monitor cluster on any 7.x sees only those *    monitor cluster on 8.x sees only those.   This is sloppy engineering   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:57:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: OT: OM (Scandinavian stock exchange) , Message-ID: <45216F07.697697D7@teksavvy.com>  H This was in the BBC WBR this morning. The stock exchanges in scandinaviaF are getting together to become more important (except for Norway which! has not yet accepted to join in).   G The head of the OMX exchange was interviewed, and he mentioned that one H of the biggest assets was the OM technology which it had sold to over 60D stock exchanges around the world and that they would most certaintly  continue to leverage that asset.  D While for HP, this is not relevant because, with NSK and VMS, it hasH pretty much locked up the stock exchange market, for the VMS group, thisL is good news (assuming OM continues to push for VMS as the choice platform).   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2006 18:29:23 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS ? + Message-ID: <4od443Fe3m6lU1@individual.net>   9 In article <-5WdnRI2MpQaoLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@libcom.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  D >> Microsoft is not sending jobs out of North America. They are busyC >> bringing the foreigners in here in lieu of hiring Americans.  Or G >> did you miss the fact that MS is the biggest supporter of Work Visas E >> (H3, I think!) for IT professionals from places like India and has 6 >> often asked the government to increase the numbers? >>  L >>> It would be real hard to accept a Microsoft advertisement saying, "Keep % >>> jobs at home, buy American".  :-(  >>  K >> They have no problem keeping the jobs here as long as they don't have to  >> pay Americans to do them!!  > J > The positive spin I can put on that is that if they work here, they are I > paying taxes here, and such.  I have no problems with people coming to  F > this country.  I have no problems with them working here.  It's the F > exporting of the jobs that I find rather stupid.  When there are no > > longer any jobs here, who is going to purchase the services?  D I have a problem with bringing in all these foreigners to do the funE high tech jobs while telling Americans; "Don't study computer science G in school because there are no jobs waiting for you when you graduate." H And, trust me, that is precisely what is happening.  IT jobs are sittingJ un-filled and the Bureau of Labor Statistics is predicting large increasesH over the next 8-10 years while CS/CIS enrollments are down anywhere fromF 40 to 70 percent and continuing to slide.  And in the meantime, ratherH than coming out in the press and publicly debunking this (god only knowsD why, but people listen when Bill Gates speaks) companies like MS are0 busy lobbying for more visas to fill these jobs.  B And you thought the immigration problem was all about Mexicans andD minimum wage jobs!!  Even in this little backwater part of the worldC that most people couldn't even point out on a map we have companies C where English is not spoken within the confines of the Datacenter.   And neither is Spanish!!   bill        --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:46:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS ? , Message-ID: <45216C88.3D504893@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:F > In some cases I think it goes beyond stupidity.  The stupidity is inB > letting such people into decision making positions.  If you needI > beancounters, and such are needed, keep them counting beans, not making # > decisions.  There is the problem.   F When you look at the issue of office supplies,  this has been an issueF at many companies for quite some time. And such decisiuons, which lookE really stupid, to restrict access to office supplies are usually made D after substantial abuses had been made by employees who stole office supplies to bring home.   G If you are like HP with over 100,000 employees, and employees routinely G steal from the office supply cabinet, that is a hell of a lot of stolen # pens, post-it pads, paper etc etc.    C Why do you think that photocopies manufacturters added functions in G photocopiers to require a password to access a photocopier (linked to a E departmental account so the dept could be charges for the photocopies H they make). That is because so many people abused photocopiers for their6 own personal uses. (copying books, whole manuals etc).  F Once people started to get printers and computers at home, many office= supplies started to become really attractive to employees...    G Bean counters are told there is a problem. They implement "a" solution. E (without much thinking about how it impacts employee productivity and - morale). And then they declare "case closed".   H Consider office buildings that turn off ventilation at 17:01 in order toH save money. If the building's fresh air intake was designed with 24 hourE ventialtion in mind, and all of a sudden, you run ventialtion only 12 D hours a day, then the building never has the time to make a full airC change and stale air with all the office pollutants (carpets, dust, F gases from copiers etc) are never fully flushed out and employees thenH have a higher level of absenteeism. The building onwers do not see thoseH costs, it is the tennants that do. And it is very hard to pin it down on building air quality.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:49:36 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ! Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS ? 9 Message-ID: <I5mdnf4ylJrxGrzYnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:G >> In some cases I think it goes beyond stupidity.  The stupidity is in C >> letting such people into decision making positions.  If you need J >> beancounters, and such are needed, keep them counting beans, not making$ >> decisions.  There is the problem. > H > When you look at the issue of office supplies,  this has been an issueH > at many companies for quite some time. And such decisiuons, which lookG > really stupid, to restrict access to office supplies are usually made F > after substantial abuses had been made by employees who stole office > supplies to bring home.   H Well, unless they're reselling them, just how much in the way of office @ supplies can you store at home?  It's like the HP director that A suggested that Dunn just ask the directors who talked.  Tell the  F employees to not take vast quantities of office supplies, that it's a $ problem, and the majority will stop.  I > If you are like HP with over 100,000 employees, and employees routinely I > steal from the office supply cabinet, that is a hell of a lot of stolen % > pens, post-it pads, paper etc etc.   > E > Why do you think that photocopies manufacturters added functions in I > photocopiers to require a password to access a photocopier (linked to a G > departmental account so the dept could be charges for the photocopies J > they make). That is because so many people abused photocopiers for their8 > own personal uses. (copying books, whole manuals etc).  H Once you can load an input tray with large documents, yeah, it can be a H problem.  Offering a decent price for private work can work better then  trying to stop it.  H > Once people started to get printers and computers at home, many office? > supplies started to become really attractive to employees...   > I > Bean counters are told there is a problem. They implement "a" solution. G > (without much thinking about how it impacts employee productivity and / > morale). And then they declare "case closed".  > J > Consider office buildings that turn off ventilation at 17:01 in order toJ > save money. If the building's fresh air intake was designed with 24 hourG > ventialtion in mind, and all of a sudden, you run ventialtion only 12 F > hours a day, then the building never has the time to make a full airE > change and stale air with all the office pollutants (carpets, dust, H > gases from copiers etc) are never fully flushed out and employees thenJ > have a higher level of absenteeism. The building onwers do not see thoseJ > costs, it is the tennants that do. And it is very hard to pin it down on > building air quality.   G Maybe tenants should ask the owner to document that 8 hour ventilation  F is adequate, if if he cannot, demand 24 hour service without an added I cost.  Most buildings will supply after hours service for an added cost.  G   If they cannot prove that the 8 hours is adequate, and won't provide  F adequate service, hey haven't you heard, there's a glut in the office 
 space market?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:08:03 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>Y Subject: Re: RC25 (was: Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server?) serve ( Message-ID: <nZgUg.950$Pk2.786@trnddc08>   Carl Friedberg wrote: F > I was lucky; I bought mine (with the R80) before some genius came up > with the 725 configuration.  > I > That was a real joke, especially when combined with the high-speed TU58 M > radial-serial protocol loader. I believe the same tape drive was the loader  > for the HSC70. >   I TU58 was on the HSC50.  HSC40/70/90 used a 5 1/4" floppy.  (MUCH faster.)          > Carl Friedberg >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:56:24 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: RC25 (was: Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server?) serve * Message-ID: <452152c7@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Carl Friedberg wrote: F > I was lucky; I bought mine (with the R80) before some genius came up > with the 725 configuration.   N    I don't recall the VAX-11/725 being available with the IDC -- the official K translation was the Integrated Disk Controller IIRC, but there was another  O translation of that acronym in equally common use -- and the R80, that was the  Q VAX-11/730.  The VAX-11/725 was (as I was told by the DIGITAL folks at the time,  M back when I was a customer for the first time) a product that was positioned  2 pending the availability of the MicroVAX I series.  O    I don't particularly recall the RC25 Aztec RQC25 series controller off-hand.   Q    The VAX-11/725 was an early (and really heavy) pedestal, and obviously almost  K completely derived from the VAX-11/730.  The VAX-11/730 was the rack-mount  Q variant -- the latter was how the R80 was mounted, as it was way bigger than the  P pedestal.  (Nothing precluded you from cabling from the Unibus to most anything P you wanted, well, other than EMI and such risks from the cabling hanging out in  the breeze, obviviously.)   P    Once the MicroVAX boxes appeared, these two boxes disappeared pretty quickly.    I > That was a real joke, especially when combined with the high-speed TU58 M > radial-serial protocol loader. I believe the same tape drive was the loader  > for the HSC70.  Q    There are various widgets that used the TU58.  There was a VT-series terminal  N around that had two drives just below the display.  (Yes, I know which one; I J actually encountered a stack of them in the basement of the Maynard Mill.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:31:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: SPAWN numbering of subprocesses (8.2), Message-ID: <45216903.2996B78D@teksavvy.com>   Volker Halle wrote: I > You can use the DCL_CTLFLAGS sysgen parameter to revert to the previous 6 > behaviour. Setting bit 0 will use the old algorithm.  E Yeah ! Many thanks it works. And it is also a DYNAMIC parameter which / means I was able to make it active right away !   
 Many thanks !    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:30:32 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> & Subject: Storage Expansion on PWS400au< Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20061002152545.03137398@192.168.0.11>  J What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put H an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one I uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into my  C now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously  : connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2006 14:57:43 -0700 ; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400auC Message-ID: <1159826263.676422.286650@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote: K > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put I > an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one J > uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into myD > now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously< > connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system. >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   HI, Dan.  D I'm half-brain-dead from travel and multi-project-itis at the momentA and talking totally off the top of my head, so forgive me but the 6 question isn't the cables, it's the shelves and disks.  F We're talking BA35x-xx shelves, right?  If so, what flavor (or color)?+ And what kinda drives are we talking about?   F - is the BN21H a 68HD cable with the right angle for hooking up to the2 personality module on a BA35x 16-bit flavor shelf?  C I *know* what the damn [evil] SWXCR cables look like, I've got some  sitting unused at home- G as the shelves the [evil] SWXCR was running have 4 GB drives in 'em and 4 they're not worth the electricity to run these days.  E If they're both 16-bit shelves, then to get the most disks hooked up, G you want to get another of the 16-bit personality modules, and the itty ? bitty BN21?-05 cable that allows you to daisy-chain two shelves B together after flipping the first three dip switches on the second) shelf to make the SCSI addresses go high.    WWWebb   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400auB Message-ID: <1159826461.725811.197450@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: K > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put I > an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one J > uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into myD > now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously< > connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system. >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+  G Do you mean a 433au, 500au, or 600au?  The only PWS400xxx was the Intel  based P2/400 unit.  7 You can see the most recent (I think) option list here:   C      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QBQ23APF.PDF   F Basically you can use a KZPBA-CA or CB (single-ended or differential),A KZPAC-AA/CA/CB raid controllers, or a KZPCA-AA U2-LVD controller, G depending on the 'array' you want to plug in.  Is it just a stack/shelf E of disks, or do you have an external controller?  If the latter, what 
 interface?  F HSZ40/50/70/80 might work on the KZPBA-CB differential controller (theD -40 and -50 were originally used with the KZPSA FWD interface, whileB the -70 (and -80???) worked with the KZPBA-CB UWD interface, whichE isn't listed for the workstations);  I've never tried a KSPZA in mine G so I have no idea.   I'm not sure about the other external controllers.   E Your BN31S cable was for a KZPSC backplane raid controller to a BA356 D wide shelf (or equivalent cabling); it is for single-ended use.  I'mG not sure it will work with any of the above controllers because it uses D a 'different' centronics-like connector on the host end.  It _might_D fit the super high density ports on the KZPCM controller but I'm not sure.   B The BN21H is a single end HD50 narrow to HD50 narrow for attaching= external FNSE devices, like a BA350 shelf or BA353 pizza box.   F I use a KZPCM dual UltraSCSI card in my PWS600au; its not on that listG but it works fine for internal tape and disk, and external single-ended 8 disks (in a BA364 tower).  It has the super high densityB centronics-looking connectors but I don't have a DEC cable or part number for it.  E I also tested a KZPAA-AA FNSE controller for use with an external DAT G tape drive and CDROM, and it worked fine too, at least up to VMS V7.3-2 D (so far)  but unless your array is just a shelf/stack of disks, thatB won't help.  If it is then this should work with your BN21H cable.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:56:23 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au) Message-ID: <op.tgtjf90btte90l@hyrrokkin>   K On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:    >  > Dan O'Reilly wrote: J >> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to   >> putJ >> an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, oneK >> uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into my E >> now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously = >> connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system.  >>	 >> ------ M >> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ H >> | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in  	 >> this | D >> | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand  
 >> binary   | 6 >> | Process Software              |   and those who   >> don't."                | $ >> | http://www.process.com         - >> |                                        | M >> +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+  > I > Do you mean a 433au, 500au, or 600au?  The only PWS400xxx was the Intel  > based P2/400 unit. > 9 > You can see the most recent (I think) option list here:  > E >      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QBQ23APF.PDF  > H > Basically you can use a KZPBA-CA or CB (single-ended or differential),C > KZPAC-AA/CA/CB raid controllers, or a KZPCA-AA U2-LVD controller, I > depending on the 'array' you want to plug in.  Is it just a stack/shelf G > of disks, or do you have an external controller?  If the latter, what  > interface? > H > HSZ40/50/70/80 might work on the KZPBA-CB differential controller (theF > -40 and -50 were originally used with the KZPSA FWD interface, whileD > the -70 (and -80???) worked with the KZPBA-CB UWD interface, whichG > isn't listed for the workstations);  I've never tried a KSPZA in mine I > so I have no idea.   I'm not sure about the other external controllers.  > G > Your BN31S cable was for a KZPSC backplane raid controller to a BA356 F > wide shelf (or equivalent cabling); it is for single-ended use.  I'mI > not sure it will work with any of the above controllers because it uses F > a 'different' centronics-like connector on the host end.  It _might_F > fit the super high density ports on the KZPCM controller but I'm not > sure.  > D > The BN21H is a single end HD50 narrow to HD50 narrow for attaching? > external FNSE devices, like a BA350 shelf or BA353 pizza box.  > H > I use a KZPCM dual UltraSCSI card in my PWS600au; its not on that listI > but it works fine for internal tape and disk, and external single-ended : > disks (in a BA364 tower).  It has the super high densityD > centronics-looking connectors but I don't have a DEC cable or part > number for it. > G > I also tested a KZPAA-AA FNSE controller for use with an external DAT I > tape drive and CDROM, and it worked fine too, at least up to VMS V7.3-2 F > (so far)  but unless your array is just a shelf/stack of disks, thatD > won't help.  If it is then this should work with your BN21H cable. >  > Rich > K I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy changed E to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is    PWS433AUJ which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch settings.     --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:35:45 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au< Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20061002193127.0340aec0@192.168.0.11>  ) At 04:01 PM 10/2/2006, Rich Jordan wrote:    >Dan O'Reilly wrote:M > > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put K > > an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one L > > uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into myF > > now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously> > > connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system. > H >Do you mean a 433au, 500au, or 600au?  The only PWS400xxx was the Intel >based P2/400 unit.   K Yeah, the 433au.  I was thinking about both that system and the 600au that  K I have, while I was composing the message, and the two merged from mind to   fingers as "400au"...*sigh*...  8 >You can see the most recent (I think) option list here: > E >      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QBQ23APF.PDF  > G >Basically you can use a KZPBA-CA or CB (single-ended or differential), B >KZPAC-AA/CA/CB raid controllers, or a KZPCA-AA U2-LVD controller,H >depending on the 'array' you want to plug in.  Is it just a stack/shelfF >of disks, or do you have an external controller?  If the latter, what >interface?   7 I have a couple of SW shelves, one wide and one narrow.   C >The BN21H is a single end HD50 narrow to HD50 narrow for attaching > >external FNSE devices, like a BA350 shelf or BA353 pizza box.  K Yep, that's what I had it hooked to from my AS200 that died.  I think with  F what I have, the KZPBA-CA is the better choice.  Not looking for fast F storage, just several disks that I can boot different versions of VMS ! and/or UNIX from on the same CPU.    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:56:11 -0700 % From: Crabs <IHateSpam@SpamSucks.com> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au: Message-ID: <aJydnX5hE9fRTLzYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:   H > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to J > put an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, G > one uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged  B > into my now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and G > previously connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system.  >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >  >  Dan:  D Physically there's room and plugs for 3 drives internally, although D cooling might be an issue if you use 10k rpm drives, and WILL be an $ issue if you go with 15k rpm drives.G Be sure to add a couple of extra cooling fans if you go this route for   long term stability issues.    TomC   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:40:41 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> 5 Subject: Re: SYSMAN suggestion (SET ENV/ARCHITECTURE) < Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610022138030.10284@jaipur.local>  F It is possible to set up logical names that point to a list of nodes. 2 Then use that logical in the SET ENV/NODE command.  D You can set a logical ALPHAS that point to NODE1,NODE2 then say SET  ENV/NODE=ALPHAS.  K The details are in the System Management Utilities reference.  Look in the  J description of SET ENV in the SYSMAN section.  It'll give you the details.  # On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, JF Mezei wrote:  > Suggestion for SYSMAN: > & > SYSMAN>  SET ENV/ARCHITECTURE=xxxxxx > I > This would automatically set the environment to only the nodes matching # > that architecture on the cluster.  > F > In environments where not all nodes are always available, this wouldG > provide a neat/clean way to affect only the nodes that are present at G > the moment without having to prefix the SYSMAN commands with some DCL 7 > loop to draw the list of nodes for each architecture.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:19 -0700 # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com> * Subject: Re: TCPIP Services V5.5 questions8 Message-ID: <rit2i2hi1bfv9tlchubdoemtdquudgruum@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:12:57 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   P >Am going through the TCPIP Services 5.5 release notes and have a few questions. >...> >TCPDUMP is now documented as tracing only packets destined orH >originating from that node, instead of operating in promiscuous mode asC >it does on Unix. is there a reason for this ? Has promiscuity been  >banned in the USA ?  7 i asked about this at the 2005 bootcamp  tcpip session, F and iirc, the answer was that support for TCPDUMP in promiscuous mode ! might make it into TCPIP V5.7...     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:32:00 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>E Subject: Re: Where will the FAQ be, and what about the Freeware CD's? * Message-ID: <45214d0f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  
 AEF wrote:  D > So where will we find future editions of the OpenVMS FAQ? Will youE > still be allowed to post it on the hp Web site? What will happen to I > that HP page if you won't? OK, I suppose it will be at the Hoffman Labs  > site.  > H > And what about the OpenVMS Freeware CD's? Will there be more editions?    N    There are various issues I simply don't presently know the answer to; that O are being discussed and determined.   The OpenVMS FAQ and the OpenVMS Freeware  P are most certainly on the list for discussion, but they're not at the top of it P for for the folks involved -- and (hopefully) for obvious reasons.  When I have N details and dispositions, someone will likely post them.  (And there are also % various second-level issues lurking.)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.542 ************************