1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 543       Contents:. Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.21 Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY B Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)?B Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)?B Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? Cluster setup from scratch Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch7 Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch) ; Re: Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch) % DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ' Re: Directory list collating sequence ? ' Re: Directory list collating sequence ? 
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 Re: ES40 NICs + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l + Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10l , FT.com - spy methods used in other companies latest INQ story on hp support Re: MntVerifyTimeout patches and checksums ! PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H % Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H  RA3000 Pedestals going cheap! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au ! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au  Re: TECO broken on I64 VMS 8.3! Re: Thanks to VMS engineers (8.3)  Thanks to VMS engineers (8.3)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 08:44:55 -0700 # From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com> 7 Subject: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 C Message-ID: <1159890295.175576.167410@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G I have an object file created using "Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha A V6.2-1H3".  I just tried to copy and use it on a new Alpha system = running OpenVMS v8.2.  The linker did not like the .OBJ file.   F Analyze/obj recognized the file as an OpenVMS Alpha object module, but found multiple errors.  @ Is there any way to "fix" this object module??   The project I'm@ working on is late / over-budget (aren't they all?).  Buying a C7 license for the new Alpha is probably not in the cards.    Thanks for the help,	 Don Gregg    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:42 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 , Message-ID: <efu1bj$62a$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  / "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com> wrote in message  = news:1159890295.175576.167410@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...   H >I have an object file created using "Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS AlphaC > V6.2-1H3".  I just tried to copy and use it on a new Alpha system  > running OpenVMS v8.2.   B I should check that you can round trip the copy OK before assuming it's a format change.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:56:44 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 2 Message-ID: <06100310564452_2020028F@antinode.org>  # From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com>   I > I have an object file created using "Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha C > V6.2-1H3".  I just tried to copy and use it on a new Alpha system ? > running OpenVMS v8.2.  The linker did not like the .OBJ file.   H    "tried to copy" how?  Alpha object files are "Record format: VariableF length" files, and those attributes may be altered/lost in a number ofG ways.  VMS V6.2-1H3 is plenty old, but I don't recall any change to the  object file format.   9    DIRECTORY /FULL before and after might be informative.   0 > Is there any way to "fix" this object module??  !    Depends on what you did to it.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 10:35:28 -0700 # From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 A Message-ID: <1159896928.274095.3510@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Thanks Richard and Steve,   E ftp did in fact munge my object module, even with binary transfer.  I E ended up ftping a save set and unpacking it.  Even then, the save set # file attributes needed to be reset.    Thanks,  Don    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:45:28 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 2 Message-ID: <06100312452881_2020028F@antinode.org>  # From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com>   G > ftp did in fact munge my object module, even with binary transfer.  I G > ended up ftping a save set and unpacking it.  Even then, the save set % > file attributes needed to be reset.   E    Zip -V (before) and UnZip (after the binary FTP transfer) can save ) much fooling around with file attributes.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:16:14 +0100. From: "David Biddulph" <david@biddulph.org.uk>: Subject: Re: Bug in VAX/VMS 7.2 absolute time on SET ENTRY1 Message-ID: <45227bd8$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:452169CE.53AB2A6B@teksavvy.com.... >> Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com wrote:7 >> V4100$ set entry 924/after="02-0ct-2006:05:00:00.00"  >>F >> %DCL-W-IVATIME, invalid absolute time - use DD-MMM-YYYY:HH:MM:SS.CC	 >> format   E > I just tried it on one of my vaxes, and it accepted Oct without any I > complaints. As someone else said, you may have typed zero ct instead of  > Oh ct    It's not a "... may have ...".  K If you read the first line of what you quoted, you can *see* what he typed.  --   David Biddulph     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:25:40 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> K Subject: Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? 5 Message-ID: <slrnei40j4.nb5.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   v In article <efoh9b$str$2@online.de>, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote: > B >    o  Could a switch speed up shadow copies?  Since the VAX SCSIG >       speed is 5 Mb/s, if I've done the math right a transfer should    H Well, in my experience, I usually get up to ~30-35 Mb/sec sustained on aD hub and ~70 Mb/sec sustained on a switch. (Generically speaking, not) specifically VMS or shadow copy-related.)   ? SCSI should be MB/sec rather than Mb/sec. 5 MB/sec = 40 Mb/sec.   D So might see some performance boost from a switched environment. ButD this assumes that it is indeed going the full 5 MB/sec for the SCSI.  D In the U.S., unmanaged switches are so inexpensive that I can find aG cheap one (4 port?) for as little as USD $10. Thus, I have not bought a  hub in about 15 years.  H Managed switches (where you can fix port parameters on a per-port basis)G are, of course, a lot more expensive though one can get older models or C less popular networking vendors' managed switches on eBay at a more C reasonable price. For instance, I see the Cisco 1548 8 port managed C 10/100 Mbps switch for USD $75 (we use these at work, too) on eBay.   F Managed switches, if you go that route, are better for OpenVMS becauseH less likely to get autonegotiation surprises, as I did with my Alpha and unmanaged switch.   A I would agree with Mr. Gilbert's suggestion to do a crossover UTP G ethernet cable test to see if a switch would truly help you noticeably.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 03:25:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> K Subject: Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? , Message-ID: <45221062.B800CA09@teksavvy.com>   This is anecdotal, but still...   E Now that I have an alpha, I have done plenty of large MSCP nased disk F copies. The alpha and vax 400-600 can fill up the 10mbps ethernet to a@ point where the workstation (alsop on the same hub) has terribleB response time displaying stuff coming from other nodes (eg.decterm: running on another node and displying on the workstation).  E Also, I see the "collision" light flicker during transfers in certain , directions while other activity is going on.  B In the past, with VAX based cluster, I had never seen that light.     D Consider this: on a hub, you are restricted to the slowest speed. So! every host has to talk at 10mbps.   F So if node1 initiates a transfer that uses 10mbps with node2, there isA no free bandwidth that can be used by node1 to talk to node3. Any B additional data will reduce the bandwidth between node1 and node2.  A With a switch, if node1 is at 100mbps, and the other nodes are at N 10mbps, then node1 can talk at full 10mbps to 10 other nodes at the same time.  G And if you have just one node at 10mbps, then the rest of the nodes can E talk at 100mbps betwene each other without letting the slower port at : 10mbps truly slow them down, which is the case with a hub.      B However, for sending of a single packet, a hub is faster. A switchF introduces latency because it needs to fully receive the packet in its; buffer before retransmitting it to the destination port(s).    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:37:24 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> K Subject: Re: Can a switch give me more speed (long and detailed questions)? ; Message-ID: <45223d50$0$5910$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:45221062.B800CA09@teksavvy.com...! > This is anecdotal, but still...  > G > Now that I have an alpha, I have done plenty of large MSCP nased disk H > copies. The alpha and vax 400-600 can fill up the 10mbps ethernet to aB > point where the workstation (alsop on the same hub) has terribleD > response time displaying stuff coming from other nodes (eg.decterm< > running on another node and displying on the workstation). > G > Also, I see the "collision" light flicker during transfers in certain . > directions while other activity is going on. > C > In the past, with VAX based cluster, I had never seen that light.  >  > F > Consider this: on a hub, you are restricted to the slowest speed. So# > every host has to talk at 10mbps.  > H > So if node1 initiates a transfer that uses 10mbps with node2, there isC > no free bandwidth that can be used by node1 to talk to node3. Any D > additional data will reduce the bandwidth between node1 and node2. > C > With a switch, if node1 is at 100mbps, and the other nodes are at J > 10mbps, then node1 can talk at full 10mbps to 10 other nodes at the same > time.  > I > And if you have just one node at 10mbps, then the rest of the nodes can G > talk at 100mbps betwene each other without letting the slower port at < > 10mbps truly slow them down, which is the case with a hub. > D > However, for sending of a single packet, a hub is faster. A switchH > introduces latency because it needs to fully receive the packet in its= > buffer before retransmitting it to the destination port(s).  >  J.F.  J If you didn't receive a manual with your DS10 then check out the following link: ; http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ds10cr-d.pdf H Chapter 2.18.7 tells you how to set up your ethernet port at the console level.   2.18.7 ew*0_mode  C Sets an Ethernet controller to run an AUI, ThinWire, or twistedpair 9 Ethernet network. The default is auto-sense. For the fast % setting, the device defaults to fast.    Syntax: set ew*0_mode value  where value can be:   * aui                    Device type is AUI.5 auto-sense      Device type is sensed by the console. 7 twisted-pair     Device type is 10BaseT (twisted pair).  fast duplex,/ twisted-pair     Device type is duplex 10BaseT. 0 fast                   Device type is fast SCSI.9 fast FD             Device type is fast full duplex SCSI. ' BNC                 Device type is BNC.  auto-negotiate DE500-BA     K My DS20e would not work in the factory default mode of AUTO-SENSE so we had " to change it to just TWISTED-PAIR.  K (The machine is physically connected to an old Synoptics hub; with the port A set to AUTO-SENSE, TCP/IP would work slowly but DECnet would work F very intermittently; with the port set to just TWISTED-PAIR everything works properly)   L BTW, I suspect that "full-duplex, twisted pair" mode will only work if your K Alpha is connected to a switch AND is the only machine on that port (which  I means that no collisions will ever be expected because full duplex means  # private transmit and receive paths)     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 07:52:25 -0700  From: cehhome1@yahoo.com# Subject: Cluster setup from scratch B Message-ID: <1159887145.625842.28940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  @ Does anyone have any procedures on setting up a VMS cluster from> scratch?  I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2 and will use a> storageworks array for the cluster drives.  I have worked withG standalone Alphas, but it has been a few years since I setup a cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 07:52:28 -0700  From: cehhome1@yahoo.com# Subject: Cluster setup from scratch B Message-ID: <1159887148.501000.289150@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  @ Does anyone have any procedures on setting up a VMS cluster from> scratch?  I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2 and will use a> storageworks array for the cluster drives.  I have worked withG standalone Alphas, but it has been a few years since I setup a cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 08:38:59 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch B Message-ID: <1159889938.950220.169480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  E Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum disk, G giving that disk one vote in order for one machine to remain quorate by F itself.  You'll also have to initially set expected votes to 1 so thatG the cluster will come up quorate with only one node or it won't come up  in the first place.   D The docs in the VMS doc set are pretty good in this area, as well as the FAQ.   Steve   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <1159887145.625842.28940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > cehhome1@yahoo.com writes: > D > > Does anyone have any procedures on setting up a VMS cluster fromB > > scratch?  I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2 and will use aB > > storageworks array for the cluster drives.  I have worked withK > > standalone Alphas, but it has been a few years since I setup a cluster.  > J > @ SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM or @ SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM > 0 > depending on your cluster-interconnect medium.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:29:38 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch $ Message-ID: <efu35i$j3k$2@online.de>  B In article <1159889938.950220.169480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:    G > Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum disk, I > giving that disk one vote in order for one machine to remain quorate by H > itself.  You'll also have to initially set expected votes to 1 so thatI > the cluster will come up quorate with only one node or it won't come up  > in the first place.   F Only possible if each machine has a direct (not served) connection to 1 the quorum disk, which cannot be a shadowed disk.   C It is not necessary to have a quorum disk, but if not with 2 nodes  H either both will have to be in the cluster (quorum of 2 nodes) or there G will be a master-slave configuration, i.e. the master node will always  5 have to be there and the slave could or could not be.   2 I would recommend a small VAX as a "quorum node".    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 09:38:01 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch C Message-ID: <1159893481.315498.150240@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E True, although with the phrase "I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2  and will use aF storageworks array for the cluster drives" I took it that a) the disksG would be on a common bus and that b) the option of having a quorum node  was not an option.E Besides, I wouldn't want a pair of AlphaServers, whatever size, being 2 slowed down by a VAX in a clustered configuration.   Steve   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <1159889938.950220.169480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > I > > Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum disk, K > > giving that disk one vote in order for one machine to remain quorate by J > > itself.  You'll also have to initially set expected votes to 1 so thatK > > the cluster will come up quorate with only one node or it won't come up  > > in the first place.  > G > Only possible if each machine has a direct (not served) connection to 3 > the quorum disk, which cannot be a shadowed disk.  > D > It is not necessary to have a quorum disk, but if not with 2 nodesI > either both will have to be in the cluster (quorum of 2 nodes) or there H > will be a master-slave configuration, i.e. the master node will always7 > have to be there and the slave could or could not be.  > 3 > I would recommend a small VAX as a "quorum node".    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:00:41 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch $ Message-ID: <efu4vp$mr7$1@online.de>  C In article <1159893481.315498.150240@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > > In article <1159889938.950220.169480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,  > > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > K > > > Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum disk, M > > > giving that disk one vote in order for one machine to remain quorate by L > > > itself.  You'll also have to initially set expected votes to 1 so thatM > > > the cluster will come up quorate with only one node or it won't come up  > > > in the first place.  > > I > > Only possible if each machine has a direct (not served) connection to 5 > > the quorum disk, which cannot be a shadowed disk.  > > F > > It is not necessary to have a quorum disk, but if not with 2 nodesK > > either both will have to be in the cluster (quorum of 2 nodes) or there J > > will be a master-slave configuration, i.e. the master node will always9 > > have to be there and the slave could or could not be.  > > 5 > > I would recommend a small VAX as a "quorum node".  > G > True, although with the phrase "I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2  > and will use aH > storageworks array for the cluster drives" I took it that a) the disksI > would be on a common bus and that b) the option of having a quorum node  > was not an option. > G > Besides, I wouldn't want a pair of AlphaServers, whatever size, being 4 > slowed down by a VAX in a clustered configuration.  F As long as the VAX is doing nothing but providing quorum, what do you  think it would "slow down"?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:31:01 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch Q Message-ID: <OF4B77731D.1AEBE7AE-ON852571FC.00601147-852571FC.0060394B@metso.com>   J helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  wrote on 10/03/2006 01:00:41 PM:  E > In article <1159893481.315498.150240@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > 3 > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > > > In article <1159889938.950220.169480@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>," > > > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > G > > > > Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum  disk, D > > > > giving that disk one vote in order for one machine to remain
 quorate byI > > > > itself.  You'll also have to initially set expected votes to 1 so  thatG > > > > the cluster will come up quorate with only one node or it won't  come up  > > > > in the first place.  > > > K > > > Only possible if each machine has a direct (not served) connection to 7 > > > the quorum disk, which cannot be a shadowed disk.  > > > H > > > It is not necessary to have a quorum disk, but if not with 2 nodesG > > > either both will have to be in the cluster (quorum of 2 nodes) or  there E > > > will be a master-slave configuration, i.e. the master node will  always; > > > have to be there and the slave could or could not be.  > > > 7 > > > I would recommend a small VAX as a "quorum node".  > > I > > True, although with the phrase "I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2  > > and will use aJ > > storageworks array for the cluster drives" I took it that a) the disksK > > would be on a common bus and that b) the option of having a quorum node  > > was not an option. > > I > > Besides, I wouldn't want a pair of AlphaServers, whatever size, being 6 > > slowed down by a VAX in a clustered configuration. > G > As long as the VAX is doing nothing but providing quorum, what do you  > think it would "slow down"?  > K Right.  I have that and no performance issues (except when I need to reboot 2 the VAX (room power issues) the reboot isn't fast.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:33:21 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com@ Subject: Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch)Q Message-ID: <OF5016CEBF.BFE4F138-ON852571FC.00603CA2-852571FC.00607010@metso.com>   I If I have an available shared disk and I want to boot up 2 alphas and use  it as a quorum disk,G do I need to do anything pre-reboot to make it a quorum disk, or if the  device is set up in J the params, will the quorum file get automagically created?  Does the disk need to be INITed  first?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 10:40:45 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>D Subject: Re: Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch)B Message-ID: <1159897245.379554.31690@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  7 Iinitialise it first. The quorum file does get created.  I think you have to mount it.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:35:08 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI$ Message-ID: <efu3fs$j3k$3@online.de>  ' Has anyone installed this?  Any issues?   D I don't like the idea of having no information on the web site, but * rather just pointing to the release notes.  D I missed it since I had been relying on the email notifications and  didn't get or missed this one.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:36:27 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI2 Message-ID: <06100312362726_2020028F@antinode.org>  P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  ) > Has anyone installed this?  Any issues?   L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375  F > I don't like the idea of having no information on the web site, but , > rather just pointing to the release notes.  =    I agree.  That is lame.  Especially with such a large kit.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 10:45:31 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSIA Message-ID: <1159897531.041011.18940@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   2 There appears to be an issue with naming resolving see L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1057983L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375  A the workaround is to use the TCPIP$IPC_SHR.EXE from the ECO5 kit.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 06:49:51 +0100 2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>0 Subject: Re: Directory list collating sequence ?? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-WohdbRb53IId@dave2_os2.home.ours>   6 On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:47:08 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert"  <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:    > nobody wrote:  >  > > I have a directory:  > >  > > DQA0:[TEMP]  > > . > > QUEBEC.TXT      QUFBEC.TXT      QUBEC.TXT > >  >    Snip   > > D > > Is there a magical logical that can be defined to achieve this ? > . > Why does this post make me think of JF?  ;-)   Cos it's him :-)   ! > Just in case it's not JF. . . .  > G > As a monolingual American, I have little or no occasion to deal with  G > accent marks.  I do seem to recall, however, that there is something  J > called a "collating sequence" that is different for different languages.F > In Unix the collating sequence can be selected with an "environment  > variable". > H > It's days like this that I wish VMS were a little more Unix-like so I F > could find some information on collating sequences in HELP.  I just J > tried the "Master Index" and, while it has a couple of references, none  > are useful in this context.   D There is something. It might have been under DCL/ SORT or utilities B SORT/MERGE. Unfortunately, I won't be able to visit the grey wall  until Wedneday.    --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:57:50 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com0 Subject: Re: Directory list collating sequence ?Q Message-ID: <OFC1560AB9.E0C62114-ON852571FC.0057373D-852571FC.0057B147@metso.com>   ; You may want Multinational Collating_Sequence, and probably ; will need to output and sort the directory command results. = There have been a couple of examples of procedures to do that < here recently; you just need to specify the desired sequence as well.  ? I do not know of a way to change the default for the structure, 7 and since the files are stored in the directory file in : sequence, it would probably break the file system short of> a full backup/reinit/restore_after operation even if possible.  
 VMS V7.3-1   SORT     /COLLATING_SEQUENCE        Parameters  
       type              o  ASCII   H             Arranges characters according to ASCII sequence. ASCII is t= he7             default sequence and need not be specified.             o  EBCDIC  A             Arranges characters according to EBCDIC sequence. The E             characters remain in ASCII representation; only the order              is changed.             o  Multinational   H             Arranges characters according to Multinational sequence, wh= ich F             collates the international character set. When you use theH             Multinational sequence, characters are ordered according to=                the following rules:  H             -  All diacritical (accented) forms of a character are give= n H                the collating value of the character (A', A", A` collate=  as                 A).  H             -  Lowercase characters are given the collating value of th= eir H                uppercase equivalents (a collates as A, a" collates as A= ").   H             -  If two strings compare as equal, tie-breaking is perform= ed. D                The strings are compared to detect differences due toH                diacritical marks, ignored characters, or characters tha= t H                collate as equal although they are actually different. I= f H                the strings still compare as equal, another comparison i= s H                done based on the numeric codes of the characters. In th= isH                final comparison, lowercase characters are ordered befor= e                 uppercase.   H             Care should be taken when sorting or merging files for furt= her H             processing using the Multinational sequence. Sequence check= ing D             procedures in most programming languages compare numericH             characters. Because Multinational is based on actual graphi= c H             characters and not on the codes representing those characte= rs, 3             normal sequence checking does not work.     
       cs-name   H          Arranges character keys according to the named sequence, which=  @          must be a collating sequence defined in an NCS library.  E          High-performance Sort/Merge: The high-performance Sort/Merge ?          utility currently supports only the ASCII, EBCDIC, and +          Multinational collating sequences.       H "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote on 10/03/2006 01:49:= 51 AM:   7 > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:47:08 UTC, "Richard B. Gilbert" ! > <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:  >  > > nobody wrote:  > >  > > > I have a directory:  > > >  > > > DQA0:[TEMP]  > > > 2 > > > QUEBEC.TXT      QUFBEC.TXT      QU=90BEC.TXT > > >  > >  >  > Snip >  > > > F > > > Is there a magical logical that can be defined to achieve this ? > > 0 > > Why does this post make me think of JF?  ;-) >  > Cos it's him :-) > # > > Just in case it's not JF. . . .  > > H > > As a monolingual American, I have little or no occasion to deal wit= h H > > accent marks.  I do seem to recall, however, that there is somethin= g A > > called a "collating sequence" that is different for different 
 languages.H > > In Unix the collating sequence can be selected with an "environment=   > > variable". > > H > > It's days like this that I wish VMS were a little more Unix-like so=  IH > > could find some information on collating sequences in HELP.  I just=  H > > tried the "Master Index" and, while it has a couple of references, = none   > > are useful in this context.  > E > There is something. It might have been under DCL/ SORT or utilities C > SORT/MERGE. Unfortunately, I won't be able to visit the grey wall  > until Wedneday.  >  > -- > Cheers - Dave W.=    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:49:50 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Re: ES40 NICs0 Message-ID: <12i4qk5gqo1sn70@news.supernews.com>  H The IC-DE504-CA is our version (not HP) and uses the newer Intel Chipset   DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   * "Pete" <None@nospam..com> wrote in message2 news:q74th2hph41qu0ng45e94jt83macvo5at0@4ax.com...G > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/options.htmlOn Fri, 29 F > Sep 2006 10:32:04 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote: > F > >I need to get a couple of Ethernet contollers.  Anybody have a list > >of compatible boards? > > 8 > >Also I can confirm that ATI Radeon 7500 works but not
 > >ATI RAGEXL = > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/options.html  > > >  Is a good place to lookup supported options for all alpha's >  >  Pete    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:58:18 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: ES40 NICs) Message-ID: <op.tgumfgzgtte90l@hyrrokkin>   B On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:49:50 -0700, Island Computers, D B Turner   <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:  J > The IC-DE504-CA is our version (not HP) and uses the newer Intel Chipset >  > DT > I David,  I have sent you three emails, and you haven't responded.  Are you % still having problems with your mail?      --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:46:19 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10lJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-AC53C0.12461903102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  2 In article <06100212544209_2020028F@antinode.org>,,  sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote:  1 > From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  > H > > Can the RRD45 be successfully connected to an Ultra-SCSI controller? > > L > > This is of interest to me too, as I have an external RRD43-DA, known to L > > work with a VAXstation 3100, but when I recently tried connecting it to ; > > a PWS 600au, I couldn't even see it at the boot prompt.  > F >    I can't speak for anything so new as an RRD43 or RRD45, but I didI > just connect an RRD42-DA (circa July 1992) to a KZPBA-CX in an XP1000.  F > I could boot (sloooowly) from a (factory-pressed) VMS CD-ROM, and it- > seems to work about as well under VMS V8.2:  >  > ALP2 $ show devi /full dkb400  > K > Disk ALP2$DKB400:, device type RRD42, is online, allocated, deallocate on P >     dismount, mounted, software write-locked, file-oriented device, shareable,5 >     available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  > [...]  > G >    It does seem to be pretty slow (1X), and it does not do so well on H > CD-R discs, but I see no evidence of any actual SCSI incompatibilities > in my (very) limited testing.  >   B Thanks for the confirmation. Tom Garcia's mention of cleaning the " connectors sounds a good idea too.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:42:31 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 4 Subject: Re: external CD drives on kzpba-ca on ds10lJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-0DD603.12423103102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <-sGdnXkQC-eDGbzYnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote: 3 > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:07:28 -0700, Paul Sture  ) > > <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:  > >  > >> Repeats to myself: I > >> I _should not post_ when the damned woman next door plays loud music A > >> well into the night and leaves me frazzled for the next day.  > > I > > Years ago, I had a friend in Stockholm with the same problem.  He put K > > his speakers against the offending wall turned the volume high and went 8 > > to Mallorca for two weeks.  Problem resolved itself. > >   @ That idea has a *lot* of appeal... Unfortunately I've got other  neighbours.   K > Several cures, and the above is one of them.  If using this option, make  F > sure you have the really big Bose speakers.  Be prepared to replace  > wall.  :-) >    :-)      F > Some good ANR headsets also work.  If you can be sitting in a small I > aircraft, not hear the engine, and the aircraft is not heading for the  F > ground, then you know they're good ANR headsets.  Bose has some for H > about a grand.  LightSpeed has some that users claim are as good, and  > cost much less.   , That sounds an eminently practical solution.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 08:44:20 -0700  From: vwanderer@uk2.net 5 Subject: FT.com - spy methods used in other companies B Message-ID: <1159890260.789584.18940@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  A http://www.ft.com/cms/s/9b8e95e0-5014-11db-9d85-0000779e2340.html    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 08:43:12 -0700  From: vwanderer@uk2.net ' Subject: latest INQ story on hp support C Message-ID: <1159890192.647857.158070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   5 http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34826    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 07:12:57 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: MntVerifyTimeout 3 Message-ID: <dACCJRjmXT3Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <452154b2$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com> writes: C >"O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message  U > news:0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBAF@ex-tg2->pr.corporate.transgrid.local...   < [top posting damage repaired and extraneous context snipped]  M >> I tried $ dismount/nounload/override=check DKA100. This showed the device  L >> status as MntVerifyTimeout and on the next line dismounted (but with the N >> device label).  I then checked the HELP for DISMOUNT and realised I should O >> have also use /abort.  So I re-tried with $ mount/system DKA100 {label} and  P >> was told that the device is already mounted and a second message saying that $ >> it is not available for mounting.  I > To try to use the disk, use DISMOUNT/ABORT DKA100: on all nodes in the  - > cluster and then attempt to mount the disk.   ? If you review the text that you top-posted over you'll see that @ he's already tried this and he's well past the point at which it could plausibly work.   D Dismounting the disk on other cluster nodes is irrelevant.  He needs" to get it dismounted on this node.  C Dismounting the disk on this node doesn't take a command.  The disk A is already marked for dismount.  What's needed is to get the open 
 files closed.   B He's mentioned Oracle, so a DISMOUNT /ABORT probably wouldn't haveA worked in the first place -- SGA, tablespaces and redo logs don't  go away without a fight.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: patches and checksums$ Message-ID: <efu31k$j3k$1@online.de>  F I notice that after downloading a patch the .ZIPEXE gives a different A checksum than the one in the .TXT file on the ITRC site, but the  E contents, i.e. .PCSI or .PCSI$COMPRESSED, gives the correct checksum.    Has anyone else seen this?  ! I download the patches with LYNX.   H Could it be that the download results in the wrong file attributes with D this resulting in the wrong checksum, but (obviously) the unpacking  procedure still works OK?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:35:51 +0200- From: "Zibri" <NOSPAMzibri@no.spam.libero.it> * Subject: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H: Message-ID: <45228356$0$5861$4fafbaef@reader3.news.tin.it>  0 How to setup a PPPOE connection on VMS 5.5-2H ?! Can I do it with multinet ?  Do I need something else/more ?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 09:35:51 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>. Subject: Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2HB Message-ID: <1159893351.664461.259800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Zibri wrote:2 > How to setup a PPPOE connection on VMS 5.5-2H ?! > Can I do it with multinet ? ! > Do I need something else/more ?   8 You need to get a router box or firewall to do the PPPoEG authentication/connection; I don't think I've ever heard of a  software F client for VMS.  The router/firewall should make it transparent to the VMS system.   G We have two sites, one using a Sonicwall TZ150 firewall, the other uses E some random netgear router, to support PPPoE connections where a real C link is not available.  Both work, the firewall is a better box but  more expensive.   B PPPoE sucks.  Its consumer grade crap made to allow infrastructureD economies to its providers, not service or performance improvements.@ If you have any choice in getting a real TCPIP link instead, I'd
 recommend it.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:43:24 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>% Subject: RA3000 Pedestals going cheap 0 Message-ID: <12i4toh254ukf8d@news.supernews.com>  B We don't normally sell these things but we have two in great shape   They are configured as follows:   + RA3000 Pedestal with dual HSZ22 controllers ! 6 x DS-RZ1EA-VW 18GB 7200RPM Disk  Cable    Total Per Unit $2995  % That should be a very very good price    Call or email if interested    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:18:32 +0200 ) From: "gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au9 Message-ID: <pan.2006.10.03.07.18.32.720464@decadence.it>   : Il Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:56:23 -0700, Tom Linden ha scritto:E > BTW, I think it is PWS433AU which you can safely clock at 600MHz by % > changeing the dip switch settings.     How safely? G I've already read the documentation about the dip clock switches of the 9 Miatas, but I really thought that was dangerous to do it.    Bye  gl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:51:08 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au0 Message-ID: <12i47dtlb8g6682@corp.supernews.com>   Tom Linden wrote: M > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:  >> >> Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>F >> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like 
 8< snip 8<M > I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy changed G > to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is   
 > PWS433AUL > which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch settings.  G Hmmm.  Is this an option with my PWS500au?  It's quite a useful system  G even as an EV56 at 500MHz (with Mozilla the acid test).  Still, I'd be  D happy to try and squeeze another 20% out of it if doing that had no  hidden cost(s).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 06:19:35 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au) Message-ID: <op.tgukmxkptte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:48:58 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  . reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  > > In article <12i47dtlb8g6682@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel" > <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: >  >> Tom Linden wrote:K >> > On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com>   	 >> wrote:  >> >>  >> >> Dan O'Reilly wrote:  >> >> H >> >> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like
 >> 8< snip 8< J >> > I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy  
 >> changedH >> > to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is
 >> > PWS433AU G >> > which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch    >> settings. >>I >> Hmmm.  Is this an option with my PWS500au?  It's quite a useful system I >> even as an EV56 at 500MHz (with Mozilla the acid test).  Still, I'd be F >> happy to try and squeeze another 20% out of it if doing that had no >> hidden cost(s). > A > Having recently acquired a couple of PWS 433au, I would also be J > interested in experience people have of "safely" clocking it at 600 MHz. > H I have done it on two 433s and two 500s.  I tried higher clock rates butE the cpu wouldn't function above 600.  Since the heat generated at a    junctionH would be proportional to frequency it will run hotter I suppose.   I ran6 these systems for several years until I replaced them.     --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:48:27 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au9 Message-ID: <5NydnQyUGvS19b_YnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@libcom.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article <12i47dtlb8g6682@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel# > <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes:   >  >> Tom Linden wrote:O >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:  >>>> Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>>>H >>>> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like 
 >> 8< snip 8< O >>> I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy changed I >>> to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is    >>> PWS433AUN >>> which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch settings.J >> Hmmm.  Is this an option with my PWS500au?  It's quite a useful system J >> even as an EV56 at 500MHz (with Mozilla the acid test).  Still, I'd be G >> happy to try and squeeze another 20% out of it if doing that had no   >> hidden cost(s). > B > Having recently acquired a couple of PWS 433au, I would also be J > interested in experience people have of "safely" clocking it at 600 MHz. >   F That wouldn't be relevant information.  Consider that every CPU is to I some extent unique.  The manufacturer tests each chip to determine if it  F works, and how well.  Some fail.  Some work very well and get sold at  the highest speed rating.   H What you cannot know without similar testing is how your particular CPU I tested.  Perhaps it was barely good enough to sell, and was rated at 433  G MHz.  Perhaps the yield was very good, every chip could have been sold  1 as a 600, but 500 and 433 chips were also needed.   I As for 'safely', that is also a bit hard to define.  Even running at 433  H MHz the chip could fail at any time.  There are never any guarantees on I any specific chip, just manufacturer guarantees to replace a failed chip.   G I haven't done any overclocking, but I've been reading what I can find  F on the subject.  I'm running several Athlon64 CPUs and continue to be I amazed at the temperatures they can run at.  With the stock heatsink and  I fan they run cooler than ambient.  No lie, it's amazing.  With the first  D one I called AMD and told them the temperature probe was defective. G They assured me otherwise.  One of them is a San Deigo core rated as a  F 3700+.  This is the same chip used for the FX models and I've read of > others overclocking them far past the speeds of the FX models.  F  From what I've read, overclocking requires you to be able to monitor L the heat and to be prepared to toss the CPU if you've gotten too aggressive.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 07:10:08 -0700 ; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400auC Message-ID: <1159884607.957259.109850@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: @ > > In article <12i47dtlb8g6682@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel$ > > <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes: > >  > >> Tom Linden wrote:Q > >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:  > >>>> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > >>>>I > >>>> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like  > >> 8< snip 8< Q > >>> I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy changed I > >>> to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is  > >>> PWS433AUP > >>> which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch settings.K > >> Hmmm.  Is this an option with my PWS500au?  It's quite a useful system K > >> even as an EV56 at 500MHz (with Mozilla the acid test).  Still, I'd be H > >> happy to try and squeeze another 20% out of it if doing that had no > >> hidden cost(s). > > C > > Having recently acquired a couple of PWS 433au, I would also be L > > interested in experience people have of "safely" clocking it at 600 MHz. > >  > G > That wouldn't be relevant information.  Consider that every CPU is to J > some extent unique.  The manufacturer tests each chip to determine if itG > works, and how well.  Some fail.  Some work very well and get sold at  > the highest speed rating.  > I > What you cannot know without similar testing is how your particular CPU J > tested.  Perhaps it was barely good enough to sell, and was rated at 433H > MHz.  Perhaps the yield was very good, every chip could have been sold3 > as a 600, but 500 and 433 chips were also needed.  > J > As for 'safely', that is also a bit hard to define.  Even running at 433I > MHz the chip could fail at any time.  There are never any guarantees on K > any specific chip, just manufacturer guarantees to replace a failed chip.  > H > I haven't done any overclocking, but I've been reading what I can findG > on the subject.  I'm running several Athlon64 CPUs and continue to be J > amazed at the temperatures they can run at.  With the stock heatsink andJ > fan they run cooler than ambient.  No lie, it's amazing.  With the firstE > one I called AMD and told them the temperature probe was defective. H > They assured me otherwise.  One of them is a San Deigo core rated as aG > 3700+.  This is the same chip used for the FX models and I've read of @ > others overclocking them far past the speeds of the FX models. > G >  From what I've read, overclocking requires you to be able to monitor N > the heat and to be prepared to toss the CPU if you've gotten too aggressive. >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450? > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: d---@tsoft-inc.com  > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486   E There are some out there who go to extremes in their quest for speed.   E I remember finding a website once created by a guy who called himself G Dr. Freez or something like that who submerged his overclocked PC in an F insulated tank of liquid silicone which he used as a cooling medium byC running it through a compressor and radiator system not unlike that * used in air conditioners or refrigerators.  8 I don't know what he did in terms of using CDs, though.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:12:16 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au) Message-ID: <op.tgum2qgctte90l@hyrrokkin>   > On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:10:08 -0700, William.W.Webb@gmail.com  ! <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote:    >  > Dave Froble wrote:2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:A >> > In article <12i47dtlb8g6682@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel % >> > <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> writes:  >> > >> >> Tom Linden wrote: 8 >> >>> On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:01:01 -0700, Rich Jordan   >> <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote: >> >>>> Dan O'Reilly wrote:  >> >>>> J >> >>>> What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like >> >> 8< snip 8<L >> >>> I have used the differential scsi controllers in three Miatas daisy  
 >> changedJ >> >>> to a BA356 with three shadow sets of 74GB each.  BTW, I think it is >> >>> PWS433AU I >> >>> which you can safely clock at 600MHz by changeing the dip switch    >> settings.G >> >> Hmmm.  Is this an option with my PWS500au?  It's quite a useful   	 >> system K >> >> even as an EV56 at 500MHz (with Mozilla the acid test).  Still, I'd    >> be I >> >> happy to try and squeeze another 20% out of it if doing that had no  >> >> hidden cost(s).  >> >D >> > Having recently acquired a couple of PWS 433au, I would also beJ >> > interested in experience people have of "safely" clocking it at 600   >> MHz.  >> > >>H >> That wouldn't be relevant information.  Consider that every CPU is toK >> some extent unique.  The manufacturer tests each chip to determine if it H >> works, and how well.  Some fail.  Some work very well and get sold at >> the highest speed rating. >>J >> What you cannot know without similar testing is how your particular CPUK >> tested.  Perhaps it was barely good enough to sell, and was rated at 433 I >> MHz.  Perhaps the yield was very good, every chip could have been sold 4 >> as a 600, but 500 and 433 chips were also needed. >>K >> As for 'safely', that is also a bit hard to define.  Even running at 433 J >> MHz the chip could fail at any time.  There are never any guarantees onH >> any specific chip, just manufacturer guarantees to replace a failed   >> chip. >>I >> I haven't done any overclocking, but I've been reading what I can find H >> on the subject.  I'm running several Athlon64 CPUs and continue to beK >> amazed at the temperatures they can run at.  With the stock heatsink and K >> fan they run cooler than ambient.  No lie, it's amazing.  With the first F >> one I called AMD and told them the temperature probe was defective.I >> They assured me otherwise.  One of them is a San Deigo core rated as a H >> 3700+.  This is the same chip used for the FX models and I've read ofA >> others overclocking them far past the speeds of the FX models.  >>H >>  From what I've read, overclocking requires you to be able to monitorE >> the heat and to be prepared to toss the CPU if you've gotten too    >> aggressive. >> >> -- 7 >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 @ >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: d---@tsoft-inc.com >> DFE Ultralights, Inc. >> 170 Grimplin Road >> Vanderbilt, PA  15486 > G > There are some out there who go to extremes in their quest for speed.  > G > I remember finding a website once created by a guy who called himself I > Dr. Freez or something like that who submerged his overclocked PC in an H > insulated tank of liquid silicone which he used as a cooling medium byE > running it through a compressor and radiator system not unlike that , > used in air conditioners or refrigerators. > 9 > I don't know what he did in terms of using CDs, though.  >  > WWWebb > J I suspect in the case of the Miata, the distinction amongst 433, 500 & 600 was mainly a marketing one.      --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 07:35:49 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>* Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400auC Message-ID: <1159886149.627145.256920@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote: + > At 04:01 PM 10/2/2006, Rich Jordan wrote:  >  > >Dan O'Reilly wrote:O > > > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put M > > > an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one N > > > uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into myH > > > now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously@ > > > connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system. > > J > >Do you mean a 433au, 500au, or 600au?  The only PWS400xxx was the Intel > >based P2/400 unit.  > L > Yeah, the 433au.  I was thinking about both that system and the 600au thatL > I have, while I was composing the message, and the two merged from mind to  > fingers as "400au"...*sigh*... > : > >You can see the most recent (I think) option list here: > > G > >      http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QBQ23APF.PDF  > > I > >Basically you can use a KZPBA-CA or CB (single-ended or differential), D > >KZPAC-AA/CA/CB raid controllers, or a KZPCA-AA U2-LVD controller,J > >depending on the 'array' you want to plug in.  Is it just a stack/shelfH > >of disks, or do you have an external controller?  If the latter, what
 > >interface?  > 9 > I have a couple of SW shelves, one wide and one narrow.  > E > >The BN21H is a single end HD50 narrow to HD50 narrow for attaching @ > >external FNSE devices, like a BA350 shelf or BA353 pizza box. > L > Yep, that's what I had it hooked to from my AS200 that died.  I think withG > what I have, the KZPBA-CA is the better choice.  Not looking for fast G > storage, just several disks that I can boot different versions of VMS # > and/or UNIX from on the same CPU.  >   C You'll need a different external cable, I think.  I'm not sure what F number, but the KZPBA-CA has the standard 68 pin screw-type connector,4 not the very high density centronics-type connector.  " Ask the Wizard has a cable page at  4    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/cable-guide.html  F where you can probably find the right one; I don't know if you'll find9 aftermarkets with the right angle part to fit your shelf.    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:01:36 +0100 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>' Subject: Re: TECO broken on I64 VMS 8.3 1 Message-ID: <031020061801363566%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   G In article <eeccgs$75v$1@online.de>, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to . reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  H > In article <w6NNg.13732$c22.2719@trnddc07>, John Santos <john@egh.com>
 > writes:  >  > > TECO broken on I64 VMS 8.3 >  > Robin: > F > Holy Intel Technology Batman!  We'll have to replace the new ItaniumG > engine in the Batmobile with an old-but-fast ALPHA or we'll never get  > out of the bat cave!   > H > Did I ever mention that Bob Palmer's hairdo reminds me of that of the  > Joker? > 	 > Batman:  > / > You may be on to something there, Boy Wonder!  > H > Seriously, though, how will Elliott get his Itanium lawnmower running?  F Holy dual core Xeon Batman! How many more miles will you get from that lawn mower joke Phillip?  F I've rebooted the mower into emacs on OS X. It took me years longer to@ realise than it should have, but I have finally given up on hp's) custody of VMS having any kind of future.   C You have given me an idea though. I'll call the Mac Pro "Catwoman".   G If you or anyone else could use some alpha or vax kit (located 15 miles F SE of Manchester UK), just ask. I'll probably dumpster it all sometimeB soon to make room for all the modes the lawnmower can now take on.   --  1 To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ C PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 02:02:58 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk* Subject: Re: Thanks to VMS engineers (8.3)C Message-ID: <1159866178.742829.229280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   F IIRC, the PPP software was maintained by two groups - the TCP/IP GroupD and the VMS Engineering Group.  Hooks from one were not available toC the other for a while which meant that things "couldn't" be made to / work.  As to whether it's been fixed, not sure.    Steve    JF Mezei wrote: ; > Just went through the "new features" document for VMS 8.3  > I > There are a lot of new neat features that have been implemented. (Being A > able to CTRL-T a process anywhere on the cluster for instance).  > I > What I find interesting is to find features that were discussed here on B > c.o.v not so long ago which made it into 8.3 (notably the backup2 > improvements done by the amicably-parted Guido.) >  > F > There are features I don't quite understand though. VLAN support forH > instance. The document doesn't give concrete examples of how it can beH > used. There is lots of stuff that is not applicable to most customers,, > as usual (high end stuff, and IA64 stuff). > I > Now have to read the TCPIP 5.6 release notes to see if the PPP software  > has been fixed. :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:39:36 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>& Subject: Thanks to VMS engineers (8.3)- Message-ID: <4522219E.6654FD78@vaxination.ca>   9 Just went through the "new features" document for VMS 8.3   G There are a lot of new neat features that have been implemented. (Being ? able to CTRL-T a process anywhere on the cluster for instance).   G What I find interesting is to find features that were discussed here on @ c.o.v not so long ago which made it into 8.3 (notably the backup0 improvements done by the amicably-parted Guido.)    D There are features I don't quite understand though. VLAN support forF instance. The document doesn't give concrete examples of how it can beF used. There is lots of stuff that is not applicable to most customers,+ as usual (high end stuff, and IA64 stuff).    G Now have to read the TCPIP 5.6 release notes to see if the PPP software  has been fixed. :-)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.543 ************************