1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 04 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 544       Contents:# Re: All is not well at the HP board # Re: All is not well at the HP board # Re: All is not well at the HP board # Re: All is not well at the HP board 2 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch Re: Cluster setup from scratch; Re: Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch)  CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks! Re: DEC RAIDArray310 user manual? ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI ) Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI 
 Re: ES40 NICs H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288H Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288- LANCP:MOP  error obtaining cluster parameters 1 Re: LANCP:MOP  error obtaining cluster parameters " Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support! Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au  Structure of HELPLIB.HLB* VMS 8.3 upgrade problem: JTQUOTA too small  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:52:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board, Message-ID: <4522DB80.FE010BAD@teksavvy.com>  - More info is coming out about Mrs Dunn today.   U She personally handed out provate telephone number of reporters to the investigators.   A But this quote from her "interview" by US congressman says a lot:    ##C Dunn has maintained that, until very recently, she had no idea that @ pretexting was used to get those phone records or that they were- obtained through legally questionable means.    ? "My understanding was these records were publicly available...I E understood that you could call up and get phone records," Dunn told a # congressional committee last week.   ##    B If Dunn was so gullible as to think that private phone records are@ public, then she had no business being a board member of a largeH corpration. Being in touch with the real world is very important insteadB of being isolated in a cocoon, served by servants and accountants.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:09:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board+ Message-ID: <4522FBC1.81CC570@teksavvy.com>    The plot thickens:   ##> Hewlett-Packard sought the advice of a well-known intelligenceA specialist, Brian Jenkins of Rand, on how to find the source of a C boardroom leak, according to a report compiled by HP's law firm and " provided to a House subcommittee.   E Jenkins, formerly a top investigator with Kroll, the nation's largest G detective agency and a firm used by many large corporations, advised HP G to use pretexting to obtain private telephone records, according to the : report by the law firm, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati.  ##    D So, the statements from various board members (especially Dunn)  whoH stated they didn't know about "pretexting" doesn't hold much credibilityG since documents show that they hired some high priced firm to tell them  to use pretexting.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2006 01:07:28 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board+ Message-ID: <4ogfqgFee290U1@individual.net>   , In article <4522DB80.FE010BAD@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:/ > More info is coming out about Mrs Dunn today.  > W > She personally handed out provate telephone number of reporters to the investigators.  > C > But this quote from her "interview" by US congressman says a lot:  >  > ##E > Dunn has maintained that, until very recently, she had no idea that B > pretexting was used to get those phone records or that they were/ > obtained through legally questionable means.   > A > "My understanding was these records were publicly available...I G > understood that you could call up and get phone records," Dunn told a % > congressional committee last week.   > ## >  > D > If Dunn was so gullible as to think that private phone records areB > public, then she had no business being a board member of a largeJ > corpration. Being in touch with the real world is very important insteadD > of being isolated in a cocoon, served by servants and accountants.  B Actually, if she has watched 60 Minutes in the last 4-5 months sheA probably saw the show where it was pointed out that the reords of @ who called who are the property of the phone company and they doA sell them.  You may not be able to find out what was said without ? violating the law, but who called who is available, legally, to  anyone with the cash.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:16:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board, Message-ID: <45230B6D.5BE14703@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:C > probably saw the show where it was pointed out that the reords of B > who called who are the property of the phone company and they doC > sell them.  You may not be able to find out what was said without A > violating the law, but who called who is available, legally, to  > anyone with the cash.   C Well, perhaps it is time for the USA to pass some data privacy laws H then. Seems to me that the details of your relationship with any company+ should be kept between you and the company.   H If data is legally obtainable, why did they have to resort to pretexting then ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:55:44 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 Q Message-ID: <OF0588EBF9.95A0DDD1-ON852571FC.006262B8-852571FC.00627C7F@metso.com>   E sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 10/03/2006 01:45:28 PM:   % > From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com>  > I > > ftp did in fact munge my object module, even with binary transfer.  I I > > ended up ftping a save set and unpacking it.  Even then, the save set ' > > file attributes needed to be reset.  > G >    Zip -V (before) and UnZip (after the binary FTP transfer) can save + > much fooling around with file attributes.   ( or without case-sensitive command lines: ZIP "-V" (before). > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 13:08:58 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 3 Message-ID: <TNdrIGZelU78@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1159896928.274095.3510@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com> writes:  > Thanks Richard and Steve,  > G > ftp did in fact munge my object module, even with binary transfer.  I G > ended up ftping a save set and unpacking it.  Even then, the save set % > file attributes needed to be reset.   E FTP tends to assume that files are streams of bytes.  FTP clients and @ servers on VMS have to make some compromises in order to squeeze" VMS files into that sort of model.  E All that "binary" transfer mode ensures is that the byte stream makes D it from point A to point B intact.  RFC 959 doesn't prescribe how toF construct a byte stream from a VMS file.  And it doesn't prescribe how+ to construct a VMS file from a byte stream.   ? If the client and server recognize each other as VMS nodes then E a private transfer mode may be negotiated (e.g. STRU O VMS).  In that B case, everything is taken care of as if by magic.  But that didn't happen in your case.  @ Failing that, the VMS sender in binary mode will simply take theB contents of each record, stick in any appropriate carriage controlE (.OBJ files have no implied carriage control) and concatenate the lot  into one long stream of text.   J Now you have the contents of your .OBJ file with all the record boundaries removed.  C The VMS receiver in binary mode will take the resulting byte stream F and populate a file of fixed length 512 byte records.  The last recordD may be only partially filled.  Now all your record boundaries are in new places.   C As you might expect, this file will not be understood as a properly  formatted .OBJ file.  D In the case of transmitting a VMS save set [fixed length records andC no carriage control] a binary transfer will end up copying the file > contents exactly and the only discrepancy will be record size.@ Changing the received file from fixed length 512 byte records toC fixed length <backup block size> byte records will fix things right  up.   A Another approach that can work is to pack up a file in a VMS text E library (.TLB), object library (.OLB) or .ZIP archive.  Since library B files and .ZIP archives start out as 512 byte fixed length recordsC with no carriage control, FTP in binary mode doesn't hurt them.  Of C course, one must exercise due care with ZIP ("-V" iirc) in order to : preserve record attributes on the file inside the archive.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:43:07 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 2 Message-ID: <06100313430707_2020028F@antinode.org>   From: norm.raphael@metso.com  I > >    Zip -V (before) and UnZip (after the binary FTP transfer) can save - > > much fooling around with file attributes.  > * > or without case-sensitive command lines: > ZIP "-V" (before).  E    Yes, I suppose at VMS V6.2, there's not much chance of SET PROCESS H /PARSE_STYLE = EXTENDED working, so "-V" would need to be quoted there.  "Zip -h" is suggestive:    [...] ; Zip 2.32 (June 19th 2006). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"  [...] K  "-V"  save VMS file attributes ("-VV" also save allocated blocks past EOF)  [...]   E    And, of course, you wouldn't want anything older than Zip 2.32 (or  UnZip 5.52).  E    On the bright side for fans of modernity and clutter reduction, if = Zip 3.x is ever released, it's likely to look more like this:    [...] I Zip 3.0f19 BETA (September 8th 2006). Usage: zip == "$ disk:[dir]zip.exe"  [...] I   -V   save VMS file attributes (-VV also save allocated blocks past EOF)  [...] J   (Must quote upper-case options, like "-V", unless SET PROC/PARSE=EXTEND)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:24:38 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 0 Message-ID: <WNyUg.600$7S2.567@news.cpqcorp.net>  C You've already found out about using ZIP, BACKUP, or even SET FILE   /ATTRIBUTES=  F For the record, there were were some upward compatible object changes I for V7.0 to deal with things like Fortran COMMON blocks in 64-bit space.  G   However, there have not been any incompatible object file changes in    the whole life of OpenVMS Alpha.   --   John Reagan 5 HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO/COBOL for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:37:42 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 * Message-ID: <452291d6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  
 Don wrote:I > I have an object file created using "Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha C > V6.2-1H3".  I just tried to copy and use it on a new Alpha system ? > running OpenVMS v8.2.  The linker did not like the .OBJ file.   O    Compiler object files (and executable and shareable images) are usually and  L normally upward-compatible, as a general rule.  I've (re)linked some rather K ancient stuff over the years, and various installation kits depend on this.   N    As others have indicated, it is quite easy to corrupt a file using certain L network transfer tools -- FTP is a notorious trigger, particularly when the   wrong transfer mode is selected.  J    If FTP was involved, I'd first zip the file (with "-V") to protect the  attributes, and re-transfer it.   Q    Current copies of zip and unzip are available via the Freeware, via Info-Zip,  O and via various sites referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ.  (zip 2.32 and unzip 5.54  M are current, IIRC, and these versions remediate various problems encountered  P with earlier versions.  These are also the versions on the Freeware V8.0 disks.)  Q    There are also concerns around what is linked with what, as C is dependent on  N details of the compile-time environment.  That written, the results I've seen Q are uniformly upward-compatible.  (Folks tend to get in rather more trouble when  4 back-porting objects or images to earlier versions.)  O    Failing any of that, I'd then post the specific translation of this case of  N "did not like" here, as I'm not immediately aware of any specific displays of 1 affection or disaffection within the linker.  :-)   )    And a few URLs for your entertainment:   )    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/     http://www.info-zip.org/ $    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:25:12 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 9 Message-ID: <duydndSSssMbhL7YnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@libcom.com>   
 Don wrote:I > I have an object file created using "Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha C > V6.2-1H3".  I just tried to copy and use it on a new Alpha system ? > running OpenVMS v8.2.  The linker did not like the .OBJ file.  > H > Analyze/obj recognized the file as an OpenVMS Alpha object module, but > found multiple errors. > B > Is there any way to "fix" this object module??   The project I'mB > working on is late / over-budget (aren't they all?).  Buying a C9 > license for the new Alpha is probably not in the cards.  >  > Thanks for the help, > Don Gregg  >   0 You've already found and corrected your problem.  H I've never had a problem with VMS to VMS FTP, but, it's possible that I  didn't attempt such on V6.2.  I What I'd ask first is whether DECnet was an option.  It definitely would  F have copied your file with no changes.  It it wasn't an option due to G routers, fine, FTP should work.  If DECnet was an option, then perhaps  B you've learned a lesson about not using the best tool for the job.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:26:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 , Message-ID: <45231BA8.43F158D6@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:I > I've never had a problem with VMS to VMS FTP, but, it's possible that I  > didn't attempt such on V6.2.  H Remember that variable length files are often conidered to be TEXT filesH when the times comes to do file transfers, so it is not unreasonable forD an FTP client to transmit the file as CR-LF terminated records. If a? record happens to have a CR and/or LF, it is quite possible the C receiving system will store that one records as 2 separate records.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:35:15 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 + Message-ID: <45231DE2.B2E47498@comcast.net>    norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > G > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 10/03/2006 01:45:28 PM:  > ' > > From: "Don" <nospam@dgcomputer.com>  > > K > > > ftp did in fact munge my object module, even with binary transfer.  I K > > > ended up ftping a save set and unpacking it.  Even then, the save set ) > > > file attributes needed to be reset.  > > I > >    Zip -V (before) and UnZip (after the binary FTP transfer) can save - > > much fooling around with file attributes.  > * > or without case-sensitive command lines: > ZIP "-V" (before).   I prefer the _CLI version:  	 $ ZIP/VMS    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:04:16 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch : Message-ID: <Z-KdnebAycOsKb_YnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com>   cehhome1@yahoo.com wrote:   B > Does anyone have any procedures on setting up a VMS cluster from@ > scratch?  I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2 and will use a@ > storageworks array for the cluster drives.  I have worked withI > standalone Alphas, but it has been a few years since I setup a cluster.  >     I I've done this a few times in years past.  It's not something you get to  = do frequently unless you have a huge budget for new hardware.   I ISTR a file: SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM.  You execute that and do as  H you're told.  If you want to pay me, I'll gladly RTFM and do it for you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:49:02 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch * Message-ID: <4522866b@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   cehhome1@yahoo.com wrote: B > Does anyone have any procedures on setting up a VMS cluster from@ > scratch?  I have two new Alphas running VMS 8.2 and will use a@ > storageworks array for the cluster drives.  I have worked withI > standalone Alphas, but it has been a few years since I setup a cluster.   N    There are a gazillion different ways to set up a cluster from scratch, and Q there exists extensive documentation in the OpenVMS documentation set.  The main  K manuals are at <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc/>.  There are two manuals  L specifically covering clustering, and two more that cover system management.  H    And yes, I realize that extensive documentation is a two-edged sword.  K    As another reply here has indicated, CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM is the core  K configuration procedure -- that's now the typical procedure used on recent  O versions, too.  (On recent versions, CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM can toss you over into  P CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM, too.)  There are a number of other procedures and tools O and configuration steps around, depending on your particular hardware and your  E desired cluster configuration and your application requirements, and  Q particularly on what hardware is involved.  (eg: FC, shadowing, controller-based    RAID, quorum requirements, etc.)  M    If you'd prefer to avoid the manuals and have somebody else deal with it,  M there are certainly folks around that are experienced here and that would be  P willing to discuss and to configure this for you.  This includes HP and various # service-related vendors, of course.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:31:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Cluster setup from scratch , Message-ID: <4522C899.6CCBA8C9@teksavvy.com>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > G > Remember that you'll need to setup one of the disks as a quorum disk,   F This isn't a requirement.  It may be desirable, but not a requirement.  + The cluster manual should be perused first.   H Take one node, ensure that [SYS0] contains only the truly local files to@ that node and that everything else is in [VMS$COMMON]. (SYSUAF ,! rightlist.dat, applications etc).   D You can then use @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM  to make that first node a cluster.     D Node 1 will have its system based of [SYS0...] and [VMS$COMMON...].   - (so far, the second node has been turned off)   E Now, you use cluster config again, on node1, but this time to setup a C satellite. It will ask you for a root, and the satellite's ethernet @ address. This will create node2 as [SYS1...] and [VMS$COMMON...]  H You can boot node2 bia ethernet for the first time. It will complete itsE cluster configuration. (make sure you set the boot flags to 1,0 so it & boots from root 1 [SYS1] instead of 0.  H Once this is done, you can boot node2 from its disks. Agains with root1.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 11:04:05 -0700  From: sean@obanion.us D Subject: Re: Create Quorum Disk (was Re: Cluster setup from scratch)C Message-ID: <1159898645.927566.239890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   % Init the new disk, if it hasn't been.    (Off the top of my head...)   < Only have one node running in the cluster for the next step:E Reboot a node with the DISK_QUORUM parameter set to the new disk (and F QDSKINTERVAL and QDSKVOTES probably at thier default vaules) and mountC the new quorum disk to get the QUORUM.DAT file created.  You should D eventualy have this mounting in a cluster common startup file to get; mount verificaion and error reporting.  You may have to set G EXPECTED_VOTES or VOTES in a converstaional boot to make sure that this / one node will boot, QDISKVOTES wount count yet.   F Reboot and undo the EXPECTED_VOTES or VOTES, and if youv'e picked goodA vaules to QDISKVOTES, EXPECTED_VOTES, and VOTES, you should get a 2 quorum after four times QDSKINTERVAL (I think...).  4 Boot the other node with quorum disk parameters set.  D Also see the "OpenVMS Cluster Systems" manual for lots more details.     Sean   Ian Miller wrote: 9 > Iinitialise it first. The quorum file does get created.  > I think you have to mount it.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:27:55 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)% Subject: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks $ Message-ID: <efudjr$7om$1@online.de>  H With (the latest version of) CSWB, which is used daily from a couple of G accounts (I use it every 2--3 days) and has otherwise worked OK, I see  H now that the Bookmarks have disappeared, as well as the URLs in the URL B box at the top (normally visible by clicking on the down arrow).     Has anyone else seen this?  8 Are either of these lists stored on disk?  If so, where?  E I DID save a new bookmark today and noticed the problem after that.   8 Surely that can't have been the cause, though, could it?  % Restarting the browser has no effect.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:31:54 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks $ Message-ID: <efudr9$7om$2@online.de>  D In article <efudjr$7om$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    J > With (the latest version of) CSWB, which is used daily from a couple of I > accounts (I use it every 2--3 days) and has otherwise worked OK, I see  J > now that the Bookmarks have disappeared, as well as the URLs in the URL D > box at the top (normally visible by clicking on the down arrow).   >  > Has anyone else seen this? > : > Are either of these lists stored on disk?  If so, where? > G > I DID save a new bookmark today and noticed the problem after that.   : > Surely that can't have been the cause, though, could it? > ' > Restarting the browser has no effect.   I I was logged in via TELNET from a DECterm and set the display to another  H machine.  I then logged in at the graphics monitor on the machine where + Mozilla is running and everything works OK.    Curiouser and curiouser.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:43:42 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 2 Message-ID: <06100314434235_2020028F@antinode.org>  P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  * > With (the latest version of) CSWB, [...]  0    Which version is _your_ "the latest version"?   > Has anyone else seen this?  	    Not I.   : > Are either of these lists stored on disk?  If so, where?         SET DEFAULT SYS$LOGIN '       DIRE [._MOZILLA...]BOOKMARKS.HTML   = There are plenty more interesting files in that neighborhood.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:54:11 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 9 Message-ID: <Pu6dnQebUqzSvb7YnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@libcom.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > With (the latest version of) CSWB, which is used daily from a couple of I > accounts (I use it every 2--3 days) and has otherwise worked OK, I see  J > now that the Bookmarks have disappeared, as well as the URLs in the URL D > box at the top (normally visible by clicking on the down arrow).   >  > Has anyone else seen this? > : > Are either of these lists stored on disk?  If so, where? > G > I DID save a new bookmark today and noticed the problem after that.   : > Surely that can't have been the cause, though, could it? > ' > Restarting the browser has no effect.  >   G Just a WAG, I don't use the product.  Perhaps the bookmarks are unique   for each user account?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:49:04 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 2 Message-ID: <06100322490426_2020028F@antinode.org>  ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   3 > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: , > > With (the latest version of) CSWB, [...]  & > Just a WAG, I don't use the product.  H    Why not?  On an EV6 system, it's not actually torture.  (At least not1 by the currently evolving definition of torture.)   ; >   Perhaps the bookmarks are unique for each user account?   F    Better yet.  Each user can have multiple "profiles".  The bookmarks are in (effectively); SYS$LOGIN:[._MOZILLA.<profile>.816NKX63_SLT]BOOKMARKS.HTML.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 05:28:27 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks $ Message-ID: <efvgpr$rg3$2@online.de>  C In article <06100322490426_2020028F@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org  (Steven M. Schweda) writes:   / > > Just a WAG, I don't use the product [CSWB].  > J >    Why not?  On an EV6 system, it's not actually torture.  (At least not3 > by the currently evolving definition of torture.)   H I use a two-processor EV56 at 533 (actually 531) MHz with 500 MB memory.D This is OK.  I have a somewhat less powerful system under my desk atF work and it is also OK.  Now that I have some PWS 433au machines, I'llH give them a try.  (They are physically smaller than the AlphaServer 1200E I am now using.  In fact, I have the former configured as a satellite & and boot it only when CSWB is needed.)      ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:57:14 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <nospam@vsm.com.au> * Subject: Re: DEC RAIDArray310 user manual?0 Message-ID: <12i6agjri5ct40b@corp.supernews.com>   Hi,    On September 26 I wrote, > Hi,  > H > I have recently acquired a DEC RAIDArray 310.  (It's an external SCSI J > RAID controller with seven drives in a pedestal cabinet, about 10 years  > old.)  > E > Does anyone have a copy of the user's manual or reference guide or  K > equivalent?  The online help is adequate for configuring it, but I would  J > like some guidance on how it handles drive failues -- and the procedure * > for physically replacing a failed drive.  H Many thanks to all who responded, I now have more documentation on this ) thing than I thought could ever exist :-)   M The controller appears to be fine except for the cache battery which expired  I in 2003 and has degraded to the extent that the controller won't use it.  K Which means that we're limited to JBOD until we can find a replacement.  A  J reseller suggested I should be able to go to any battery "superstore" and L find something suitable, but I'm not so sure.  Any further comment would be  welcome.   Regards,            Jeremy Begg   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:54:00 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI2 Message-ID: <06100312540072_2020028F@antinode.org>    From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>  4 > There appears to be an issue with naming resolving > see N > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1057983N > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375 > C > the workaround is to use the TCPIP$IPC_SHR.EXE from the ECO5 kit.   E    The actual workaround was to use SYS$SHARE:TCPIP$IPC_SHR.EXE _and_ " UCX$IPC_SHR.EXE from the ECO5 kit.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:17:38 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI$ Message-ID: <efu9g2$ut7$1@online.de>  C In article <06100312362726_2020028F@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org  (Steven M. Schweda) writes:   R > From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) > + > > Has anyone installed this?  Any issues?    I notice the following:   8        2 Installing Over V5.3 Early Adopter's Kit (EAKs)E               If you have installed the SSH for OpenVMS EAK, you must F               use the PCSI REMOVE command to remove the EAK before you+               install TCP/IP Services V5.5.   + Presumably it should read (here) V5.4?!?!?!   F Also, the stuff at the very beginning about various VMS patches which I should be installed is not very clear.  The text seems like one needs to  G install some VMS patches even on 7.3-2, but these patches do not exist.   H Since I'm up to date on VMS patches this SHOULDN'T be an issue, but you  never know!   N > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375  H Wow!  it seems that after installing the patch one might not be able to G TELNET to another system!  Whatever happened to quality control?!?!?!   F With a problem as serious as this, for which there seems to be only a G non-supported workaround, I would have expected the patch to be put on  ' hold.  Whew!  Glad I didn't install it!    What about    '    o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_SECSRV-V0100--4   $    o  DEC-AXPVMS-VMS732_XFC-V0300--4  ( Has anyone installed those?  Any issues?  H > > I don't like the idea of having no information on the web site, but . > > rather just pointing to the release notes. > ? >    I agree.  That is lame.  Especially with such a large kit.   H One can of course just do PRODUCT EXTRACT RELEASE_NOTES, but one has to  download it first.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:38:17 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI2 Message-ID: <06100313381723_2020028F@antinode.org>  P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  P > > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375 > J > Wow!  it seems that after installing the patch one might not be able to I > TELNET to another system!  Whatever happened to quality control?!?!?!   H > With a problem as serious as this, for which there seems to be only a I > non-supported workaround, I would have expected the patch to be put on  ) > hold.  Whew!  Glad I didn't install it!   D    I wasn't following it too closely, but I believe that the problemB occurred when BIND was not in use (local HOSTS data base only).  ID haven't had any trouble with the thing, but people whose systems areB isolated from the Internet (and hence might not need BIND so much)# would appear to be at greater risk.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:59:42 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-156-4.PCSI$ Message-ID: <efubuu$54c$1@online.de>  C In article <06100313381723_2020028F@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org  (Steven M. Schweda) writes:   R > From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) > R > > > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1062375 > > L > > Wow!  it seems that after installing the patch one might not be able to K > > TELNET to another system!  Whatever happened to quality control?!?!?!   J > > With a problem as serious as this, for which there seems to be only a K > > non-supported workaround, I would have expected the patch to be put on  + > > hold.  Whew!  Glad I didn't install it!  > F >    I wasn't following it too closely, but I believe that the problemD > occurred when BIND was not in use (local HOSTS data base only).  IF > haven't had any trouble with the thing, but people whose systems areD > isolated from the Internet (and hence might not need BIND so much)% > would appear to be at greater risk.   G I have the BIND resolver running but not the BIND server.  Still, this  G seems like a serious problem.  I think I'll wait a bit; who knows what   else might be flaky!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:10:22 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: ES40 NICs0 Message-ID: <87odst8e41.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >> Tom Linden wrote: >>G >>> I need to get a couple of Ethernet contollers.  Anybody have a list  >>> of compatible boards?  >>> 9 >>> Also I can confirm that ATI Radeon 7500 works but not  >>> ATI RAGEXL >>>  >> DE500-AA work fine! > 0 > I think it's the -BA that works well with VMS. > E > I've got several of them sitting on the shelf.  Didn't want to part 4 > with them, but now I'm starting to wonder why not. > ? >> If you are short of slots, you can get a combo Ethernet-SCSI B >> card. There might even be a dual or quad Ethernet card though IB >> don't recall seeing or hearing of such in the DEC/CPQ/HP world. > > > There is definitely a quad card.  Don't remember the number.  E DE504. DE602 is the Intel, can't remember what it's called if you add  the 2 port daughter board.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 13:44:40 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 3 Message-ID: <WbE0NYnL5$M4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <efua8n$1ku$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:   K > I just had a look for the first time at the VMS ITRC forums.  Looks like  G > some interesting reading.  However, is there any way to read it in a  I > newsgroup-like way, i.e. see only threads I want to see (initially see  G > all new threads, then hide those threads I am not interested in) and  J > only messages I haven't yet read?  I want to spend my time reading, not , > figuring out where the new messages begin.  E The navigation method you describe is not "newsgroup-like", it is the F result of the particular newsreader you use - mine is nothing like it.  A And that distinction is the advantage of newsreaders over various C "web forum" approaches -- each person gets to choose a reading tool 4 that they like and apply it to the data of interest. --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 11:45:36 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 A Message-ID: <1159901136.917796.69840@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: J > I just had a look for the first time at the VMS ITRC forums.  Looks likeF > some interesting reading.  However, is there any way to read it in aH > newsgroup-like way, i.e. see only threads I want to see (initially seeF > all new threads, then hide those threads I am not interested in) andI > only messages I haven't yet read?  I want to spend my time reading, not , > figuring out where the new messages begin.  D In a word... nope.  The interface sucks.  Wait until you try to postF and you only see the first post, not the subsequent ones.  So you open> up two windows.  One to post and one to read the thread.  Fun.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:01:21 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 $ Message-ID: <efuc21$54c$2@online.de>  3 In article <WbE0NYnL5$M4@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   y > In article <efua8n$1ku$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > M > > I just had a look for the first time at the VMS ITRC forums.  Looks like  I > > some interesting reading.  However, is there any way to read it in a  K > > newsgroup-like way, i.e. see only threads I want to see (initially see  I > > all new threads, then hide those threads I am not interested in) and  L > > only messages I haven't yet read?  I want to spend my time reading, not . > > figuring out where the new messages begin. > G > The navigation method you describe is not "newsgroup-like", it is the H > result of the particular newsreader you use - mine is nothing like it.  ? Well, yes, reading news with a web browser won't give one these G advantages.  However, the fact that one can have this nice behaviour is = the result of things like message-IDs, references etc, i.e. a  newsgroup-like database.  C > And that distinction is the advantage of newsreaders over various E > "web forum" approaches -- each person gets to choose a reading tool 6 > that they like and apply it to the data of interest.   Agreed.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:55:03 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 2 Message-ID: <06100313550303_2020028F@antinode.org>  ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>   9 > [...]  The interface sucks.  Wait until you try to post H > and you only see the first post, not the subsequent ones.  So you open@ > up two windows.  One to post and one to read the thread.  Fun.  F    Don't worry.  For the past week or so, the probability of getting aG proper response from the forum Web server has been running around 20%.  E With a success rate like that, it feels so good when you get anything ' back that the format seems unimportant.   E    A few weeks ago, I had some similar trouble (though not for such a H long time), and fed back a complaint.  The moron who responded sent me aB 9.5MB e-mail message containing three .bmp screen shots instead ofH telling me that it worked for him.  When I suggested that "It worked forH me." would have provided a 250000:1 improvement in storage efficiency, I
 got no reply.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 14:25:55 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 3 Message-ID: <FVO9UxV+Kz29@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <06100313550303_2020028F@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:   G >    A few weeks ago, I had some similar trouble (though not for such a J > long time), and fed back a complaint.  The moron who responded sent me aD > 9.5MB e-mail message containing three .bmp screen shots instead ofJ > telling me that it worked for him.  When I suggested that "It worked forJ > me." would have provided a 250000:1 improvement in storage efficiency, I > got no reply.   A The fact that computers can do graphics does not mean they should ? always do graphics.  I do not receive graphics in email because B there is virtually no chance someone would have occasion to convey8 information to me that cannot be better done with words. --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 12:35:41 -0700 ; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 B Message-ID: <1159904140.983043.93080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: L > > I just had a look for the first time at the VMS ITRC forums.  Looks likeH > > some interesting reading.  However, is there any way to read it in aJ > > newsgroup-like way, i.e. see only threads I want to see (initially seeH > > all new threads, then hide those threads I am not interested in) andK > > only messages I haven't yet read?  I want to spend my time reading, not . > > figuring out where the new messages begin. > F > In a word... nope.  The interface sucks.  Wait until you try to postH > and you only see the first post, not the subsequent ones.  So you open@ > up two windows.  One to post and one to read the thread.  Fun.  E And the performance of the server has been highly erratic as of late,  to say the least.    WWWebb   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 13:24:50 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 A Message-ID: <1159907090.096896.5200@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    William.W.Webb@gmail.com wrote: ! > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: 3 > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: N > > > I just had a look for the first time at the VMS ITRC forums.  Looks likeJ > > > some interesting reading.  However, is there any way to read it in aL > > > newsgroup-like way, i.e. see only threads I want to see (initially seeJ > > > all new threads, then hide those threads I am not interested in) andM > > > only messages I haven't yet read?  I want to spend my time reading, not 0 > > > figuring out where the new messages begin. > > H > > In a word... nope.  The interface sucks.  Wait until you try to postJ > > and you only see the first post, not the subsequent ones.  So you openB > > up two windows.  One to post and one to read the thread.  Fun. > G > And the performance of the server has been highly erratic as of late,  > to say the least.  >  > WWWebb  F I haven't had any major trouble until today.  Now I'm successful aboutA 1 in 6 times.  Everything else gives me an error in Firefox about F detecting an improper redirection that will never complete.  Just when> I need to see if anyone there really knows about EVA5000's and HSV110's.  Oh well.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:51:11 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Q Subject: Re: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=288 9 Message-ID: <Pu6dnQWbUqwBgr7YnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:= > From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  > : >> [...]  The interface sucks.  Wait until you try to postI >> and you only see the first post, not the subsequent ones.  So you open A >> up two windows.  One to post and one to read the thread.  Fun.  > H >    Don't worry.  For the past week or so, the probability of getting aI > proper response from the forum Web server has been running around 20%.  G > With a success rate like that, it feels so good when you get anything ) > back that the format seems unimportant.  > G >    A few weeks ago, I had some similar trouble (though not for such a J > long time), and fed back a complaint.  The moron who responded sent me aD > 9.5MB e-mail message containing three .bmp screen shots instead ofJ > telling me that it worked for him.  When I suggested that "It worked forJ > me." would have provided a 250000:1 improvement in storage efficiency, I > got no reply.   I He was probably a bit miffed that you didn't appreciate the extra effort  E he went through just for you, as he sits there behind a T3 link.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:06:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: LANCP:MOP  error obtaining cluster parameters, Message-ID: <4522D0D6.BE0EA34B@teksavvy.com>  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-OCT-2006 15:48:56.80  %%%%%%%%%%%  Message from user SYSTEM on VELO# LANACP MOP V4 Downline Load Service D Could not respond to load request on EZA0 from BIKE, error obtaining cluster parameters9 Requested file:  $3$DIA0:<SYS0.>[SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]APB.EXE     E OK, I am perplexed. This worked fine when I did the 8.2 install. Now,  for 8.3, I get the above.   = It is my understanding that LANCP/MOP takes the ABP.EXE , and ^ essentially appends [SYS0.SYSEXE]ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR and possibly sys$system:cluster_authorize.dat  & (here, sys$system resides on $4$dia5:)  G Is there any interpretation of parameters done by LANCP or is it just a  simple transfer of data ?   I I did a LANCP> SET ACP/ECHO/FULL and it yields no additional information.   D And just to be sure, I also placed cluster_authorize.dat on $3$dia0:    K And to make matters worse, after a few attempts , I also get the following:   F %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-OCT-2006 16:59:23.97  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node	 BIKE1  at    3-OCT-2006 16:59:44.03) ! Message from user DECNET on BIKE1 ) DECnet event 0.7, aborted service request / From node 1.26 (BIKE1),  3-OCT-2006 16:59:42.02 D Circuit SVA-0, Line open error, Ethernet address = 08-00-2B-87-3D-64   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:34:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: LANCP:MOP  error obtaining cluster parameters, Message-ID: <45230FA0.1E65C84C@teksavvy.com>  9 Ok, just for the record, I seem to have found a solution.   H I had to use the SYSGEN on the VAX to update the alphavmssys.par file to9 set the clustering parameters for the LANCP to accept the  ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR file.   F Not 100% sure this is the real fix or why using SYSGEN on the alpha toE update this file didn't seem to work, but I can boot via MOP now. (to  perform software upgrade)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:15:36 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support ; Message-ID: <4522d2e0$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   % <vwanderer@uk2.net> wrote in message  = news:1159890192.647857.158070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 7 > http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34826  > 0 Yikes! The rumours may have been true after all.+ Damn those MBAs and their hyper-capitalism. = They won't be happy until every tech job is pushed off shore.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:34:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support , Message-ID: <4522D766.88D0E606@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: 2 > Yikes! The rumours may have been true after all.- > Damn those MBAs and their hyper-capitalism. ? > They won't be happy until every tech job is pushed off shore.     C When Compaq decided to "mature" ALLIN1, tyhe senior engineers there : "parted amicably", and support/maintenance moved to India.  H Note: it is a lot easier to convince a corporation to reverse a decision  before it has been made public.     D *IF* those working closely within the VMS group fear that VMS may beF "matured" and put in maintenance mode, I **URGE** them to get in touchG privately with some of the frequent C.O.V. contributors.  **IF** VMS is A at this stage now, then getting the customer base to cotact HP to F convince them to not take that route would be the only way to pre-empt$ this decision becoming irreversible.  G I realise that HP has probably become a police state with all employees D fearing being spied on. But there are way for HP employees to get in7 touch with customers if it comes down to help save VMS.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:38:26 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support ; Message-ID: <4522e64b$0$5923$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4522D766.88D0E606@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] > F > *IF* those working closely within the VMS group fear that VMS may beH > "matured" and put in maintenance mode, I **URGE** them to get in touchI > privately with some of the frequent C.O.V. contributors.  **IF** VMS is C > at this stage now, then getting the customer base to cotact HP to H > convince them to not take that route would be the only way to pre-empt& > this decision becoming irreversible. > I > I realise that HP has probably become a police state with all employees F > fearing being spied on. But there are way for HP employees to get in9 > touch with customers if it comes down to help save VMS.  > C Steve Wozniac was on NPR last Friday and basically said "marketing  D know-it-alls" took over control of Apple and then dictated what the K Apple-/// would be and how it would be marketed. Of course they all took a  E giant step backward when it came time to take responsibility for the  	 disaster.   M Same thing happened in the early 1970's when GM stopped allowing an engineer  I to rotate through the head position (I'm not sure they used the term CEO  M back then). On an episode of 60 Minutes some months back a VP stated that it  K was time for technical people to take back control of GM before it was too   late.   I IBM thought they could get away with dumping their low margin stuff into  M Renovo but it looks like they are having problems with that decision. (since  I they are now considered a Chinese product, the US government is thinking  F about dropping them as a future supplier to certain departments like:  intelligence + military)  M The point I'm trying to make here is that most MBAs I've run into think they  M know-it-all and can't be reasoned with. If HP does try to adopt some sort of  K Dell Support model, they'll only shoot themselves in the foot and then use  B the lower revenues as a bigger reason to off-shore even more work.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:16:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support , Message-ID: <4522EF40.F6121FE1@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: N > The point I'm trying to make here is that most MBAs I've run into think they) > know-it-all and can't be reasoned with.     H If enough customers send the strong message to the MBA's bosses that theG MBA's plans will cost the company much moe in profits/business than any E cost savings predicted by the MBA's it helps discredit those MBAs and  kill their plans.   G But this must be done before the MBA's decisions ahve been made public. G Once a decision has been made public, it takes a  HUGE public outcry to A get the company to review the decision (Solaris with the 8086 for $ instance, or Coke with its New Coke)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:40:28 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 9 Message-ID: <Pu6dnQibUqyEgL7YnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote: 3 >> Yikes! The rumours may have been true after all. . >> Damn those MBAs and their hyper-capitalism.@ >> They won't be happy until every tech job is pushed off shore. >  > E > When Compaq decided to "mature" ALLIN1, tyhe senior engineers there < > "parted amicably", and support/maintenance moved to India. > J > Note: it is a lot easier to convince a corporation to reverse a decision" > before it has been made public.  >  > F > *IF* those working closely within the VMS group fear that VMS may beH > "matured" and put in maintenance mode, I **URGE** them to get in touchI > privately with some of the frequent C.O.V. contributors.  **IF** VMS is C > at this stage now, then getting the customer base to cotact HP to H > convince them to not take that route would be the only way to pre-empt& > this decision becoming irreversible. > I > I realise that HP has probably become a police state with all employees F > fearing being spied on. But there are way for HP employees to get in9 > touch with customers if it comes down to help save VMS.   F If the decision has been made, I doubt anything anyone could do would E reverse it.  This ain't Sun or Dell where customers are listened to.  E Hasn't the last 5 years taught anyone anything?  Hasn't it been made  G clear that HP realizes some decisions will lose significant customers,   and they're fine with that?   D Nobody has been able to defeat the USA, to the point of taking them F down, with strength.  But they may have noted Reagan's winning of the H cold war via the almighty dollar, and figured out how to defeat the USA F once and for all.  When all we have left are hamburger flippers we're 	 finished.   F Naturally we have fools running the large companies, and they've been  totally taken in by this ploy.  D Ok, if JF can have black helicopters, why can't I?  Wonder how much 1 longer we'll be able to afford black helicopters?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:33:23 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support + Message-ID: <45231D72.C6EEF998@comcast.net>    Neil Rieck wrote:  > & > <vwanderer@uk2.net> wrote in message? > news:1159890192.647857.158070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 9 > > http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34826  > > 2 > Yikes! The rumours may have been true after all.- > Damn those MBAs and their hyper-capitalism. ? > They won't be happy until every tech job is pushed off shore.   G I'd be more inclined to say that they won't be happy until they've made B a pile for themselves by doing nothing but kissing ass and playing point-and-click all day.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:42:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 9 Message-ID: <Pu6dnQubUqwJgL7YnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: = > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  ( > news:4522D766.88D0E606@teksavvy.com... >> Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...]G >> *IF* those working closely within the VMS group fear that VMS may be I >> "matured" and put in maintenance mode, I **URGE** them to get in touch J >> privately with some of the frequent C.O.V. contributors.  **IF** VMS isD >> at this stage now, then getting the customer base to cotact HP toI >> convince them to not take that route would be the only way to pre-empt ' >> this decision becoming irreversible.  >>J >> I realise that HP has probably become a police state with all employeesG >> fearing being spied on. But there are way for HP employees to get in : >> touch with customers if it comes down to help save VMS. >>E > Steve Wozniac was on NPR last Friday and basically said "marketing  F > know-it-alls" took over control of Apple and then dictated what the M > Apple-/// would be and how it would be marketed. Of course they all took a  G > giant step backward when it came time to take responsibility for the   > disaster.  > O > Same thing happened in the early 1970's when GM stopped allowing an engineer  K > to rotate through the head position (I'm not sure they used the term CEO  O > back then). On an episode of 60 Minutes some months back a VP stated that it  M > was time for technical people to take back control of GM before it was too   > late.  > K > IBM thought they could get away with dumping their low margin stuff into  O > Renovo but it looks like they are having problems with that decision. (since  K > they are now considered a Chinese product, the US government is thinking  H > about dropping them as a future supplier to certain departments like:  > intelligence + military) > O > The point I'm trying to make here is that most MBAs I've run into think they  O > know-it-all and can't be reasoned with. If HP does try to adopt some sort of  M > Dell Support model, they'll only shoot themselves in the foot and then use  D > the lower revenues as a bigger reason to off-shore even more work.  G Fucking MBA beancounter can't be wrong, can they?  They'll blow up the   planet before admitting that.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:43:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 9 Message-ID: <Pu6dnQqbUqx7gL7YnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote: O >> The point I'm trying to make here is that most MBAs I've run into think they * >> know-it-all and can't be reasoned with. >  > J > If enough customers send the strong message to the MBA's bosses that theI > MBA's plans will cost the company much moe in profits/business than any G > cost savings predicted by the MBA's it helps discredit those MBAs and  > kill their plans.   L You just don't get it, do you?  The MBAs have taken over and ARE the bosses.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:43:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support , Message-ID: <45231FA1.42817F7F@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:N > You just don't get it, do you?  The MBAs have taken over and ARE the bosses.    D HP, especially at this point in time, would be very concerned with aC public display of customer dissatisfaction. PR is very important to + those MBA. That is how they get "measured".   F When many customers write to those MBAs in private, it sends a messageH that should/when the bad news are announced, there will be a very publicF backlash.  And having many customers write in at roughly the same timeM also sends those MBAs a message that the customers are in some way organised.   E Doing so before the bad news are made public makes it much easier for @ those MBAs to change their plans or at very least postpone them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:25:42 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 9 Message-ID: <5JSdnfFTOJguur7YnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:O >> You just don't get it, do you?  The MBAs have taken over and ARE the bosses.  >  > F > HP, especially at this point in time, would be very concerned with aE > public display of customer dissatisfaction. PR is very important to - > those MBA. That is how they get "measured".   , Worked for Alpha.  Sure, why not, try again.  H > When many customers write to those MBAs in private, it sends a messageJ > that should/when the bad news are announced, there will be a very publicH > backlash.  And having many customers write in at roughly the same timeO > also sends those MBAs a message that the customers are in some way organised.  > G > Doing so before the bad news are made public makes it much easier for B > those MBAs to change their plans or at very least postpone them.     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:58:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support , Message-ID: <45233160.F93F6097@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Dave Froble wrote:Q > >> You just don't get it, do you?  The MBAs have taken over and ARE the bosses.  > >  > > H > > HP, especially at this point in time, would be very concerned with aG > > public display of customer dissatisfaction. PR is very important to / > > those MBA. That is how they get "measured".  > . > Worked for Alpha.  Sure, why not, try again.  H It worked for VMS the year before. You, of all people, should know that.  F   Was anyone warned in advance that Compaq weas to publically announceE the Alpha genocide on June 25 2001 ?  There were no hard hints. Terry E Shannon broke the news on the friday, and on monday, the genocide was  confirmed by Compaq.  G Right now, there seems to be stuff brewing for VMS.  It is time for the E staff within the VMS group to leak some information. Perhaps the more D senior people get such an "amicable parting" that the money is worthH losing their job. But if there are more junior people who won't get thatG much of a payout, then it is in their interest to get the VMS community L to fight to keep VMS alive and thus warn the community of what is happening.  H The other option is to get Guy Peleg in a bar (is he old enough for that& ? :-), and get him to spill the beans.  F Unless of course, the whole VMS group has already been given "amicableB parting" and already signed non-disclosure contracts and they willG slowly be let go as the operations of VMS engineering are wound down at E ZKO and some skeletton crew is given 2 week's training before they go  back to India.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2006 18:46:00 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com * Subject: Re: Storage Expansion on PWS400au, Message-ID: <efub5802vkc@enews4.newsguy.com>  & Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:L > What are my storage expansion options on a PWS400au?  I would like to put J > an external StorgeWorks array on it.  I have 2 of them I could use, one K > uses a BN21H cable to connect to a system (it previously plugged into my  E > now-dead AS200 system); and one uses a BN31S cable, and previously  < > connected into a SWXCR port on my long-dead AS1000 system.  F I used to run one or two BA350's on my PWS 433au (went to 1 when I gotI slightly larger drives).  Never could get the BA356 I have working on it, J but I think the shelf might be bad.  At one point I had a Sun 711 disk boxK on it, but gave that up as every morning before we got up, it would pop the I breaker(!) in an outlet in the kitchen (yes, our wiring is that insane).  G I've since moved to a pair of 3-disk Andataco JBOD boxes.  I would have L loved to use one of the 8 drive Andataco shelves, but they were to noisy, asI well as big and heavy.  The best thing about these Andataco boxes is that L they give lots of good cooling and take 1" or 1.6" SCA drives.  The only badI thing is I think they're what is dropping the LVD I now have in my XP1000  down to SE-SCSI.   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:31:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Structure of HELPLIB.HLB , Message-ID: <452346FD.9DDBBDE2@teksavvy.com>  H Ever since recent versions of VMS, there seems to have been a far amount: of disorganisation of the main HELP library (HELPLIB.HLB).  F For instance, there are now many  subroutine groups that are one theirH own instead of being under the "RTL" heading. And this not only cluttersD the initial HELP listing, but also makes certain selectiosn ackward.  ; For instance, in 8.3, you have ENCRYPT and ENCRYPT_Routines   B If you type help ENCR, you bet the initial listing for both and no> option to select a subitem for either. You need to type it outF completely to get ENCRYPT's help, but you can type ENCRYPT_ to get the routines help.  F Had they placed the ENCRYPT_Routines in the RTL, it would have removed1 the confusion and organised evething much better.       G What reason was there to put so many of the "routines" items in the top E help instead of putting them under RTL  where they logically belong ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:01:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: VMS 8.3 upgrade problem: JTQUOTA too small , Message-ID: <452315CB.1B095DEB@teksavvy.com>  G Not sure if this is because of my unorthodox upgrade procedure by using + MOP to access the installation media but...   C Essentially, the default ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR that comes on the CD has a G PQL_DJTQUOTA value of 1024 which appears to be too small for an upgrade  in some situations.     P ##------------------------------------------------------------------------------0 <start of  upgrade question omitted for brevity>   /    DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Alpha [YES] yes   /       DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.6: DECwindows Motif   D         (c) Copyright 2006 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.            Hewlett-Packard Company.  ,         This product uses the PAK:  DW-MOTIF5 %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ... 0 %SYSTEM-F-EXLNMQUOTA, logical name table is fullP %PCSI-I-PRCERREXE, error executing: @PCSI$SOURCE:[$WORK]DECW$CHECK_ENVIRONMENT.C OMJ %PCSI-E-EXEPRCFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE PRECONFIGURE procedure failed0 -SYSTEM-F-EXLNMQUOTA, logical name table is full" %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failedM %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition     "     Installation has been aborted.  +     The upgrade has not completed normally.   (     The target system has been modified.  B     If you need to return the target system to its original state,=     you may need to restore your backup of the target system.   <     If you want to re-do the upgrade, HP recommends that you<     restore your backup of the target system.  Repeating theC     upgrade may succeed, but it may also introduce subtle problems.   >   Process AXPVMS_INSTALL logged out at  3-OCT-2006 21:30:59.70_ ##---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------     D The machine boots the CD with clustering set to ON  (VAXCLUSTER = 2,7 MSCP LOAD = 1). My LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE isn't that big.   A What I did was use SYSGEN to up the CD's PQL_DJTQUOTA to 8000 and E AUTHORIZE to up the JTQUOTA for SYSTEM in the minimal SYSUAF.DAT that H comes with the CD. (upping just SYSUAF.DAT didn't do the trick, I had to do the SYSGEN PQL one too)  H In the ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR that comes on the install CD, the PQL_DJTQUOTA is: at 1024. (the default value which is also the same on VAX)  G My Alpha is huffing and puffing with the upgrade now. (interesting that 3 a fresh install of 8.2 didn't exhibit this problem)   H Obviously, those who install from CD cannot easily update the parametersH that are cast in polycarbonate (can't say "stone or concrete because CDs" aren't made of rock or cement :-).    H Must one REALLY *boot* from the CD media to do an upgrade ?  If one wereG to book from the system disk and then just invoke the upgrade procedure  from the CD, would this work ?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.544 ************************