1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 547       Contents:' "VMS people can write their own ticket" + Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" 2 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 Code search  Re: Code search   Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks! Re: DEC RAIDArray310 user manual? A DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST C Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ? Re: EVE/TPU learn macros moving between buffers fails to repeat # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax  F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour 0 Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support" Re: latest INQ story on hp support& Re: Long startup times with lots of IO? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date ? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date = Re: OT:  The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27 = Re: OT:  The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27 ( Re: OT: OM (Scandinavian stock exchange)< Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27< Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27< Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27% Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H ) Re: SPAWN numbering of subprocesses (8.2) # Re: Stripeset member logging errors  Re: Structure of HELPLIB.HLB Re: Sydney Rdb Tech Forum  TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster! Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 08:51:29 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>0 Subject: "VMS people can write their own ticket"C Message-ID: <1160063489.311506.184890@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more demand for VMS people   3 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/    If only it was true :-(    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:47:32 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"Q Message-ID: <OF77D4F024.63B331EE-ON852571FE.005BFD52-852571FE.005C3E5B@metso.com>   ; "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote on 10/05/2006 11:51:29 AM:   F > some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more > demand for VMS people  > 5 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/  >  > If only it was true :-(   4 "...legacy environments such as...DEC's OpenVMS...."  - That's quoting Martin Banks, not Don Jenkins. - Didn't Don tell him it's called "HP OpenVMS?"  > L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 09:52:26 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"A Message-ID: <1160067146.098286.15870@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Quoth The Register: G "He is aware of the potential of both systems, particularly in managing B web-based applications where there is a high volume of transactionC activity. "The issue is support for the users," he said. "They want 9 that support widely available, but it is a people issue."   B In other words, anyone with a history in working with these legacy% systems suddenly has a bright future.   B According to Jenkins, the demand is growing. "VMS people can write9 their own ticket," he said, so you know where to apply. "   D I guess the answer of where to apply is to HP in CostaRica, India orE China?  If the issue is support then HP aren't listening to issues...    Steve    Ian Miller wrote: F > some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more > demand for VMS people  > 5 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/  >  > If only it was true :-(    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:58:37 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 0 Message-ID: <NY9Vg.716$bQ3.300@news.cpqcorp.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:   , > There is no "safe" way to FTP a .OBJ file.  E By the way, object files on OpenVMS I64 should be FTP'able as binary  H files as they don't rely on the variable length record aspect of RMS to : separate object records.  They are real byte-stream files.     --   John Reagan 5 HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO/COBOL for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:17:54 +1000 ( From: Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net> Subject: Code search0 Message-ID: <12i9mudlnrsvu2b@corp.supernews.com>  < 	Just mention, in case some people haven't noticed, that one9 	can now use a new Google search, for ( public ) computer  	code. Actual code.    	http://google.com/codesearch   < 	It is still in early phase, but I guess it will expand with3 	time. Keyword "VMS" has returned ~311 000 hits :-)   B                                                    Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- D    CSABA I. HARANGOZO    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    phaeton@internode.on.netE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  F   There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 05:29:08 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> Subject: Re: Code searchB Message-ID: <1160051348.337816.236740@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Could be handy. D Searching for "OpenVMS" returns less hits. You can search for things like GETUAI and so on too.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:55:41 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 9 Message-ID: <XuOdncanvaFHkbjYnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:) > From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  > 5 >>>>> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: . >>>>> With (the latest version of) CSWB, [...]) >>>> Just a WAG, I don't use the product. L >>>    Why not?  On an EV6 system, it's not actually torture.  (At least not5 >>> by the currently evolving definition of torture.) B >> My only working Alphas are AlphaStation 200 4/233 systems, EV4. > J >    Ah.  As I recall, with my AlpSta 200 4/233 (768MB memory), it usuallyD > felt as if I were drowning.  (But it feels so good when you stop.) > G >    I still try to use Netscape 3 for as much as possible, but it just ' > can't cope with more and more places.  > 3 >    Perhaps you should be shopping for newer junk.   F Our good friend David Turner has just shipped me a DS10L system.  But G I'll most likely be using it in a server mode.  I've got some Athlon64  C systems I've assembled that are adequate for e-mail, browsing, etc.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 08:11:55 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) * Subject: Re: DEC RAIDArray310 user manual?, Message-ID: <+yTgWeIRdePC@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  B In article <1160018048.923080.74860@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, A     "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes:  > C > Do a search of the newsgroup for "HSx battery" and you will get a G > couple hits about where to get replacement cells and a couple methods F > for replacing them.  You want the post from Duncan Brown.  I've doneG > replacements on both the older style Storageworks bricks as described F > in his posts and for the batteries in the Model 2200 Storage ShelvesD > for the HSG80.  They both use the same basic Hawker Cyclon 2V lead
 > battery.  E    The HSZ40 (Raid Array 310) does not use the standard Hawker Cyclon A X Cell battery found in units like the HSZ70 and HSG80. It uses a B flat, rectangular battery which is installed inside the controllerC housing (so you need to shut down the raid array and disassemble it  to change the battery).   ? >  In fact, I just disassembled the ECB for an HSV110 (EVA5000) G > and each of the two batteries in those units used 3 of the same cells H > soldered onto a PC board.  They are hot-glued into the plastic shells,I > so I'm lucky mine are still good (for now) but at least I know where to  > get the cells. >   G    They just keep making it harder and harder to replace the batteries, C don't they?. With the Raid Array 8000 it was just 2 batteries and a F bit of wire. With the MA2200 there were more wires and a small circuit@ board inside the battery pack. I guess it is understandable thatE HP doesn't want you to be able to rebuild the battery packs when they A charge about $1000 for $16 worth of batteries, a couple of wires, ! a connector and some shrink wrap.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:41:26 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>J Subject: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST0 Message-ID: <12i9rrbpvetebf5@news.supernews.com>   Yep    We're doing it again!   A 1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October    Configured as follows:   DS10L 466Mhz EV6 machine 256MB Memory 30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk  Dual 10/100 Ethernet 1 open PCI Slot     K Shipping is not included and we will require a credit card (Visa/Mastercard " only) for processing the shipping.K Shipping costs below - if you aren't in one of these areas call or email us  for an estimate for shipping.    USA $30 
 Canada $709 Europe: $90-160 (The higher number is for Eastern Europe) 
 Oz/Asia: $140     L We need a VALID Email address with the SUBJECT LINE intact with your details in the message body as follows:    1) Full name1 2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc)  3) Delivery Address : 4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you)      K Lottery is not available to Corporations , Resellers Distributors or people + that have "knocked" Island Computers !  ;0)  This is for personal use only !   H It is also not valid to anyone that had already won a system in the past couple of months.     D A random/blind selection is done by a non-partial employee at Island Computers -  --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:18:20 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukN Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST, Message-ID: <eg2t6c$il9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  o In article <12i9rrbpvetebf5@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:  >Yep >  >We're doing it again! >   K You must be confident in the future of your company - staging a competition # which ends in 198600 years time  :)      Your subjectline read   J Subject: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST    
 David Webb security team leader CCSS Middlesex University        B >1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October >  >Configured as follows:  >  >DS10L 466Mhz EV6 machine 
 >256MB Memory  >30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk >Dual 10/100 Ethernet  >1 open PCI Slot >  > L >Shipping is not included and we will require a credit card (Visa/Mastercard# >only) for processing the shipping. L >Shipping costs below - if you aren't in one of these areas call or email us >for an estimate for shipping. >  >USA $30 >Canada $70 : >Europe: $90-160 (The higher number is for Eastern Europe) >Oz/Asia: $140 >  > M >We need a VALID Email address with the SUBJECT LINE intact with your details   >in the message body as follows: > 
 >1) Full name 2 >2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc) >3) Delivery Address; >4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you)  >  >  > L >Lottery is not available to Corporations , Resellers Distributors or people, >that have "knocked" Island Computers !  ;0)  >This is for personal use only ! > I >It is also not valid to anyone that had already won a system in the past  >couple of months. >  > E >A random/blind selection is done by a non-partial employee at Island  >Computers - >--  >  >David B Turner  >Island Computers US Corp  >2700 Gregory St, Suite 180  >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 X201  >Cell: 912 447 6622 X251 >Fax: 912 201 0402 >Email: dbturner@islandco.com  >Web: http://www.islandco.com & >====================================== >All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions / >of sale. These should be read before ordering. & >http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:37:33 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>N Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST0 Message-ID: <12i9v4ibtqa9j49@news.supernews.com>   Ha ! Funny   
 Damned typo's   L I only got about 3 hours sleep last night.. some weird dream with Demi Moore' in Army Gear and Jumping out of a C-130 
 Strange...   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   + <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message & news:eg2t6c$il9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...I > In article <12i9rrbpvetebf5@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers, D B ' Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:  > >Yep > >  > >We're doing it again! > >  > A > You must be confident in the future of your company - staging a  competition % > which ends in 198600 years time  :)  >  >  > Your subjectline read  > L > Subject: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST >  >  > David Webb > security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >  > D > >1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October > >  > >Configured as follows:  > >  > >DS10L 466Mhz EV6 machine  > >256MB Memory  > >30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk > >Dual 10/100 Ethernet  > >1 open PCI Slot > >  > > = > >Shipping is not included and we will require a credit card  (Visa/Mastercard% > >only) for processing the shipping. K > >Shipping costs below - if you aren't in one of these areas call or email  us  > >for an estimate for shipping. > > 
 > >USA $30
 > >Canada $70 < > >Europe: $90-160 (The higher number is for Eastern Europe) > >Oz/Asia: $140 > >  > > G > >We need a VALID Email address with the SUBJECT LINE intact with your  details " > >in the message body as follows: > >  > >1) Full name 4 > >2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc) > >3) Delivery Address= > >4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you)  > >  > >  > > G > >Lottery is not available to Corporations , Resellers Distributors or  people. > >that have "knocked" Island Computers !  ;0)" > >This is for personal use only ! > > K > >It is also not valid to anyone that had already won a system in the past  > >couple of months. > >  > > G > >A random/blind selection is done by a non-partial employee at Island  > >Computers - > >--  > >  > >David B Turner  > >Island Computers US Corp  > >2700 Gregory St, Suite 180  > >Savannah GA 31404 > >Tel: 912 447 6622 X201  > >Cell: 912 447 6622 X251 > >Fax: 912 201 0402 > >Email: dbturner@islandco.com  > >Web: http://www.islandco.com ( > >=====================================? > >All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions 1 > >of sale. These should be read before ordering. ( > >http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html > >  > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:30:39 GMT , From: "Terry Aardema" <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca>N Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST> Message-ID: <op.tgyc87trxsef0e@w2-edm-is60881.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca>   > 1) Full name  # Terance (Terry) Donald John Aardema   3 > 2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc)    tsaardema@shaw.ca  taardema@nrcan.gc.ca   > 3) Delivery Address    18504 - 92 Avenue N.W. Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA  T5T 1P4   < > 4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you)   780-435-7262  ! > This is for personal use only !    You betcha!    --  
 Terry Aardema    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 14:46:21 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)N Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST+ Message-ID: <4okk5tFdnq6qU1@individual.net>   > In article <op.tgyc87trxsef0e@w2-edm-is60881.nrn.nrcan.gc.ca>,/ 	"Terry Aardema" <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca> writes:  >> 1) Full name  > % > Terance (Terry) Donald John Aardema  > 4 >> 2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc) >  > tsaardema@shaw.ca  > taardema@nrcan.gc.ca >  >> 3) Delivery Address >  > 18504 - 92 Avenue N.W. > Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA 	 > T5T 1P4  > = >> 4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you)  >  > 780-435-7262 > " >> This is for personal use only ! > 
 > You betcha!   K I think yoiu were supposed to email to them not post it to the whole world.  :-)    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 05:47:13 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.ukL Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 ESTC Message-ID: <1160052433.745080.108330@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    With which SUBJECT LINE intact?   # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:  > Yep  >  > We're doing it again!  > C > 1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October  >  > Configured as follows: >  > DS10L 466Mhz EV6 machine > 256MB Memory > 30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk  > Dual 10/100 Ethernet > 1 open PCI Slot  >  > M > Shipping is not included and we will require a credit card (Visa/Mastercard $ > only) for processing the shipping.M > Shipping costs below - if you aren't in one of these areas call or email us  > for an estimate for shipping.  > 	 > USA $30  > Canada $70; > Europe: $90-160 (The higher number is for Eastern Europe)  > Oz/Asia: $140  >  > N > We need a VALID Email address with the SUBJECT LINE intact with your details! > in the message body as follows:  >  > 1) Full name3 > 2) Valid Email address (not yahoo or hotmail etc)  > 3) Delivery Address < > 4) Daytime telephone number (mandatory for contacting you) >  >  > M > Lottery is not available to Corporations , Resellers Distributors or people - > that have "knocked" Island Computers !  ;0) ! > This is for personal use only !  > J > It is also not valid to anyone that had already won a system in the past > couple of months.  >  > F > A random/blind selection is done by a non-partial employee at Island
 > Computers -  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 01:06:11 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> H Subject: Re: EVE/TPU learn macros moving between buffers fails to repeatB Message-ID: <1160035569.981557.92630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Rich Jordan wrote:K > > try to repeat it (GOLD-10, F20) it immediately errors out with a buffer J > > error (You are already in buffer A.A) when it first tries to switch to > > the second buffer. > * > I define a ket to do the "Other window". >  > In my startup command file:  > G > define_key( eve$kt_return + "eve_other_window", KP0, "Other Window");  >  > E > If you split the screen in more than 2 panes, it will cycle through @ > them. But I have succesfully included this in learn sequences. > F > If yu use the Command:  define key  from TPU, I think the command isC > "other" and then press the key you want assigned to thatc ommand.   ) I see this regulalry. VMS 7.3-2 on Alpha.   C In my case, I "learn" a series of commands which locate and 0select B certain bits of text from a buffer, execute "next buff", paste the; text, execute "next buffer" to return, and off we go again.   E Using the gold-number function to repeat the leaned macro often fails  after n iterations.   G I have never been bothered to isolate why it occasionally fails.  In my E experience it fails after just a few iterations of a requested repeat  value of hundreds.  YMMV   Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:17:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax, Message-ID: <4524A33A.1F194716@teksavvy.com>   Villy Madsen wrote: H > %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.  H I am running on a real vax , and in the process of upgrading to 7.3 justH to please some pointy haired ZKO boss who decided 7.2 wouldn't work with Alpha 8.3 ....  E And I am now also seeing that WMB message during the intervening boot 0 (phase 2) Stayed a long time before it appeared.  G Perhaps this is a one time thing on a real vax. It wasn't there in 7.2,  or I didn't notice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:47:03 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax5 Message-ID: <slrnei9aj7.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   [ In article <4524A33A.1F194716@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > Villy Madsen wrote: I >> %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.  > J > I am running on a real vax , and in the process of upgrading to 7.3 justJ > to please some pointy haired ZKO boss who decided 7.2 wouldn't work with > Alpha 8.3 .... > G > And I am now also seeing that WMB message during the intervening boot 2 > (phase 2) Stayed a long time before it appeared. > I > Perhaps this is a one time thing on a real vax. It wasn't there in 7.2,  > or I didn't notice.   F WBM stuff is new in 7.3; it's to support shadow mini-copies for faster8 rejoin of the shadow set member after a crash or backup.  F (I think this is separate from the HBMM (Host-based mini-merges) stuff? since that came to Alpha in 7.3-2 via an additional kit, and is G integrated in 8.2. I think that's Alpha and I64 only for HBMM support.)   H I'm sure that if I'm wrong anywhere, Rob Brooks or someone else will set me straight. :-)  & Ah, I found the 7.3 new features list:  5 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/v73features.html    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:29:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax, Message-ID: <4524C241.40BCD512@teksavvy.com>   Dan Foster wrote: H > WBM stuff is new in 7.3; it's to support shadow mini-copies for faster: > rejoin of the shadow set member after a crash or backup.  D Yeah, but it seems to be slowing down booting significantly, staying stuck in that for a LONG time.  < If one doesn't use shadowing, it seems that it is a negative improvement.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 02:33:52 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vaxB Message-ID: <1160040832.038231.228390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dan Foster wrote: J > > WBM stuff is new in 7.3; it's to support shadow mini-copies for faster< > > rejoin of the shadow set member after a crash or backup. > F > Yeah, but it seems to be slowing down booting significantly, staying  > stuck in that for a LONG time. > > > If one doesn't use shadowing, it seems that it is a negative > improvement.  2 Aha,, they have increased the inefficiency by 10%    Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:54:33 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax- Message-ID: <Zn6Vg.91026$1T2.53764@pd7urf2no>   7 "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> wrote in message  < news:1160040832.038231.228390@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >  > JF Mezei wrote:  >> Dan Foster wrote:K >> > WBM stuff is new in 7.3; it's to support shadow mini-copies for faster = >> > rejoin of the shadow set member after a crash or backup.  >>G >> Yeah, but it seems to be slowing down booting significantly, staying ! >> stuck in that for a LONG time.  >>? >> If one doesn't use shadowing, it seems that it is a negative  >> improvement.  > 3 > Aha,, they have increased the inefficiency by 10%  >  > Dweeb  >   @ The thing that I find strange is that it doesn't always happen..  M Just boted up now & the virtual machine logged over 1.4 Gbytes of write IO -  E other times its only a couple of million & it takes no time at all ??   K oops double the 1.5GB - it also seems to be doing it for the data disk.  I  B wonder if its related to how long the "VAX" system has been down??   Villy    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 14:47:19 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour, Message-ID: <45251af7$1@news.langstoeger.at>  L What do you think, is this intended behaviour? As you can expect, I don't...   $ x = "0-1:23:45"  $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "0 1:23:45.00" $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "0 01:23:45.00"  $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "0 001:23:45.00" $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "0 0001:23:45.00"    funny, but worse now:    $ x = "1-0:1:2"  $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "1 0:1:2.00" $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  $ SHOW SYMBOL x    X = "0 10:1:2.00"     ; What is X first? A DELTA time? According to HELP DATE_TIME    % 	Delta time has the following format:   #             "+[dddd-][hh:mm:ss.cc]"   C So, x isn't, because (according to HELP) the plus sign is missing!? E But I requested the output to be of format DELTA and there is no plus H sign either. Is therefor HELP wrong, and x is already a deltatime first?4 Now let's try the plus sign anyway and what happens?   $ x = "+0-1:23:45" $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA") @ %DCL-W-IVDTIME, invalid delta time - use DDDD-HH:MM:SS.CC format
  \+0-1:23:45\   < Aha, HELP [DCL_Tips] Date_Time Delta is wrong. But what now?  > F$ConVerTing a DELTA time to a DELTA time modifies/destroys it! (or what did I understand wrong?)   F It happens on all my OpenVMS (VAX V7.3, Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.2) systems   TIA    -EPLAN --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:45:43 GMT ' From: jls <jeffls-nospam@sbcglobal.net> * Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour8 Message-ID: <c03ai2pu5bk192m3c8o0locfrtaujvtj1q@4ax.com>  A On 5 Oct 2006 14:47:19 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN'  LANGSTOEGER) wrote:      > ? >F$ConVerTing a DELTA time to a DELTA time modifies/destroys it " >(or what did I understand wrong?) > G >It happens on all my OpenVMS (VAX V7.3, Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.2) systems  >     . Peter, what is it you're trying to accomplish?6 That might help us provide the "correct" way to do it.  C My feeling about this is that it's quite common for a conversion to F give strange results when the input is not what the routine expects...C thus subsequent executions with non-conforming parameter would give A strange results (based on programmer's assumptions about what you  might have meant).   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 12:00:09 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour3 Message-ID: <J59InRdtzcRe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <45251af7$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: N > What do you think, is this intended behaviour? As you can expect, I don't...  H I think it's intended.  The documentation certainly makes it unexpected.   > $ x = "1-0:1:2"  > $ x = F$CVTIME (x, "DELTA")  > $ SHOW SYMBOL x  >   X = "1 0:1:2.00" > = > What is X first? A DELTA time? According to HELP DATE_TIME   > ' > 	Delta time has the following format:  > % >             "+[dddd-][hh:mm:ss.cc]"   F That HELP page is utterly incorrect.  That's not a delta time.  That'sE a combination time.  The instant that it specifies is "time now" plus  <dddd-hh:mm:ss.cc>.   G If you have a cross, I'll get the nails and we can take care of whoever " wrote that piece of excrement.  :)  E > So, x isn't, because (according to HELP) the plus sign is missing!?   = The plus sign isn't the only issue.  There's also the hyphen.   F The VMS system services have a format for absolute times and for deltaG times.  This format is used, for instance in SYS$BINTIM and SYS$ASCTIM. D The system service format uses a blank as the separator between dateD and time.  Like DCL, the system services support both absolute timesG which specify a date and time and delta times which specify a duration.   B DCL re-uses the system service format for absolute and delta timesE but with one critical difference.  DCL uses a hyphen as the separator F between date and time instead of a blank.  [There are good reasons for that design choice].  > And then DCL goes one step further and allows you to specify a@ combination time which is an absolute time plus or minus a delta time.   @ It seems clear to me that F$CVTIME(x,"DELTA") is intended to use@ an input time presented in DCL syntax and produce an output time in VMS system service syntax.   ( The same goes for F$CVTIME(x,"ABSOLUTE")  E F$CVTIME(x,"COMPARISON") has a well defined output syntax already, so  there isn't any problem there.  / The following HELP page is blatantly incorrect:     $ HELP LEXICAL F$CVTIME ARG  ...J          DELTA       The requested information should be returned in deltaF                      format, which is dddd-hh:mm:ss.cc. If you specify+                                           ^ G                      DELTA as the output_time_format argument, then you I                      must also provide a delta time specification for the )                      input_time argument.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 12:18:40 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour3 Message-ID: <4VKSh23gmbL1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <c03ai2pu5bk192m3c8o0locfrtaujvtj1q@4ax.com>, jls <jeffls-nospam@sbcglobal.net> writes:C > On 5 Oct 2006 14:47:19 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN'  > LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  >  >  >>@ >>F$ConVerTing a DELTA time to a DELTA time modifies/destroys it# >>(or what did I understand wrong?)  >>H >>It happens on all my OpenVMS (VAX V7.3, Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.2) systems >> >  > 0 > Peter, what is it you're trying to accomplish?8 > That might help us provide the "correct" way to do it. > E > My feeling about this is that it's quite common for a conversion to H > give strange results when the input is not what the routine expects...E > thus subsequent executions with non-conforming parameter would give C > strange results (based on programmer's assumptions about what you  > might have meant).  D Ordinarily one would expect a conversion to adhere to its documented- interface.  Unfortunately, F$CVTIME does not.   C It's not just a documentation error either.  F$CVTIME(x,"DELTA") is C just plain stupid.  It does not do any sort of rational analysis of A the input delta time.  It pretty much compresses out white space, @ verifies rudimentary syntax and numeric values, fills in missing9 fields and then spits input text back out as output text.   B I'd never used F$CVTIME(x,"DELTA") myself.  After testing, I can't. see why anyone would ever use it for anything.   It stinks very badly.   1 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$CVTIME ( "1 2:3:000000004" )  0 12:3:000000004.00    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:36:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week , Message-ID: <4524D201.84EAA946@teksavvy.com>  D New York Times has obtained a copy of the book and has begun to leak' contents of La Fiorina's upcoming book.   H In it, does does discuss at length her relationship within the HP Board.6 (and that she had initiated a leak investigation too!)  > I wonder if she will also talk about the Compaq merger and anyE discussions Carly had with Curly before the announcement. I wonder if A she might even mention the decision to not discuss VMS during the E preganncy period and only mention it on may 7th when the new combined  company was delivered.    C I certaintly wouldn't want to contribute money to her retirement by @ buying her book. But if it does contain information pertinent toL VMS/Alpha, it would be interesting to find out what she had to say about it.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:24:34 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> = Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week ; Message-ID: <4524eb4f$0$5924$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4524D201.84EAA946@teksavvy.com...F > New York Times has obtained a copy of the book and has begun to leak) > contents of La Fiorina's upcoming book.  > J > In it, does does discuss at length her relationship within the HP Board.8 > (and that she had initiated a leak investigation too!) > @ > I wonder if she will also talk about the Compaq merger and anyG > discussions Carly had with Curly before the announcement. I wonder if C > she might even mention the decision to not discuss VMS during the G > preganncy period and only mention it on may 7th when the new combined  > company was delivered. >  > E > I certaintly wouldn't want to contribute money to her retirement by B > buying her book. But if it does contain information pertinent toK > VMS/Alpha, it would be interesting to find out what she had to say about   > it.  > ! Everyone has different interests.   I Personally, I'm getting tired of the constant flow of lies and spin from  L politicians, MBAs and CEOs. So, in free-market fashion, I'll spend money on H books written by people important to me like "Ken Olsen". I have little K interest in hearing from, or financially supporting, people like Carly and   Curly.  E p.s. but if you learn anything from Carly's book, please post it here   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:44:28 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week G Message-ID: <qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Neil Rieck wrote:    ...   K > Personally, I'm getting tired of the constant flow of lies and spin from   > politicians, MBAs and CEOs.   H You're only *now* 'getting tired' of this?  I guess that's a start, but H it does make me worry about how much more time will likely have to pass F before a sufficient percentage of the population reaches the level of I discontent required to impel it to take some actual, effective action to  
 eliminate it.   ? My own tipping points came in 2001, with the Alphacide and its  G accompanying corporate treachery and lies followed in quick succession  C by the blatant exploitation of 9/11 by the neocons to put in place  G aggressive and suppressive policies they had been pushing for a decade  H or more.  But we've hardly lacked for additional motivation since then, I with periodic outbreaks of even more egregious corporate misbehavior and  G continual attacks on the integrity of our legal and financial systems,  D social programs, civil liberties, long-standing and carefully-built E international institutions and cooperation, and, of course, anything  C remotely resembling truth, let alone integrity, in government (the  G majority of national Democrats being nearly as culpable as Republicans  G in this regard, so a simple change in party rule should it occur won't  * necessarily change matters all that much).  F It has become increasingly difficult to avoid the conclusion that the E vast majority of my countrymen have become utter fools and/or knaves  E (though most of the latter would have to be fools as well not to see  E that at most a very small percentage of our population can expect to  F benefit from the on-rushing disaster being so inexorably prepared for H us).  The idea that the loss of 0.001% of our population (less then 10% C as many as we lose in automobile accidents each year) in a single,  E isolated attack can be used not just immediately but for a full five  F years now (and still counting) to terrify us into meek (and sometimes H even apparently welcome) submission would be ludicrous if it weren't so F disgusting - and the willingness of the rest of the world to tolerate G our excesses during this period (plus in some cases those of their own  E governments - this means *you*, Brits and Australians) doesn't speak   very well of them, either.  H My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with H her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season G 3.  That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim,  I "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatory  G political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies   were nothing by comparison).  C If this is the best we can do, better to let us blunder our way to  F extinction as quickly as possible to give some other species a chance.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 01:17:21 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability B Message-ID: <1160036241.457711.223120@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:6 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message5 > news:ULCdndN1f7dAEYfYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@libcom.com...  > > William Webb wrote:  > > >  > > > 4 > > > On 9/26/06, *Dave Froble* <davef@tsoft-inc.com* > > > <mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com>> wrote: > > > K > > >     William.W.Webb@gmail.com <mailto:William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote:  > > >      > JF Mezei wrote:! > > >      >> Hoff Hoffman wrote: K > > >      >>> Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for  > > >     OpenVMS and related : > > >      >>> professional services, support and related.N > > >      >> Good luck on your new endeavours.  I suspect that you won't have > > >     a hardG > > >      >> time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to  > > >     participate K > > >      >> here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable  > > >     way and H > > >      >> your contributions and patience has been most appreciated.
 > > >      >> 8 > > >      >>> And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".) > > >      >> Yeah... they all say that ! 
 > > >      >> 
 > > >      >> K > > >      >> What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not  > > >     all going N > > >      >> to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. > By< > > >      >> splitting to various places it becomes harder.
 > > >      >> F > > >      >> Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, > especially3 > > >      >> since you are not the first to leave.  > > >      >M > > >      > At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright  > > >      > idiotic.  > > > 2 > > >     Well it is JF, what else did you expect? > > >  > > >      > VMS <> Hoff,  > > >      > VMS <> Guy, > > >      > VMS <> Hoff + Guy.  > > >      >I > > >      > What it *may* mean is that there may be some decrease in the  > > >     officialD > > >      > participation by persons employed by HP in comp.os.vms. > > >      >M > > >      > Or not, should others who as of now don't participate "step into  > the I > > >      > breach", or others who do participate increase their rate of  > > >     posting. > > > " > > >     Ok, here's how it works. > > > J > > >     There a person is, happily working for a company.  He/She thinks > theyL > > >     know where they stand with respect to the job.  However, companies > don't M > > >     always have the same perspective on the job as the person doing the  > > >     job.K > > >       Sometimes it's an employee having an attitude about issues they  > haveJ > > >     no right to have an attitude about.  Sometimes it's the employer	 > causing " > > >     outrage in the employee. > > > ) > > >     Small outrage, maybe accept it.  > > > A > > >     Medium outrage, possibly seek new employment elsewhere.  > > > M > > >     Major outrage, the employee not only leaves, but vows to never work  > for  > > >     a big company again. > > > D > > >     Been there, done #3.  It does take some years to gain some
 > perspective A > > >     on things.  It takes some time to get over the outrage.  > > > K > > >     Personally, I don't think too many would leave VMS Engineering as  > longK > > >     as they thought it was what they wanted to do.  Just not too many M > > >     openings for such work.  That's just my thinking, and possibly some I > > >     people may get tired of something and just want to do something  > else. M > > >     But that's not the case with either Steve or Guy.  They're sticking  > to* > > >     the VMS world, just not with HP. > > > M > > >     Hey, I asked what stunk when Guy left.  Didn't really expect him to  > air & > > >     the dirty laundry in public. > > > N > > >     Something is going on, possibly something we've worried about in theF > > >     past.  Don't know.  But don't ask this old rascal to believe > everythingK > > >     is just peachy keen.  VMS as we've known it is in trouble.  Maybe  > not ? > > >     short term trouble, but definitely long term trouble.  > > > L > > >     What about the FAQ and ATW?  Are these officially supported by HP, > or aK > > >     contribution to the user community by a few who care enough to do  > such?  > > > I > > >     Wishing you the best Steve.  Thanks for the memories.  Not done 	 > though, K > > >     there's a real good chance that you'll be hearing from me about a F > > >     problem thats been hanging around my neck for a dozen years. > > >  > > >     --> > > >     David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450H > > >     Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com& > > >     <mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com> > > >     DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > > >     170 Grimplin Road  > > >     Vanderbilt, PA  15486  > > >  > > >  > > > Dave,  > > > > > > > I never said that everything was "peachy keen" with VMS.D > > > Nor did I say that I'd expect you to believe it had I said it. > > > , > > >  Anybody with half a brain knows that. > > > I > > > That's why I keep writing letters to management every so often, and J > > > occasionally I vent to people inside HP that I'm good enough friendsK > > > with to where my vents are welcome and they get forwarded up the food  > > > chain. > > > E > > > But it's not "End Of VMS As We Know It -- Film At 11!", either.  > > > N > > > If we keep buyin' it and paying for the maintenance, they'll keep makin' > it. 2 > > > Too much coin involved to just shut it down. > > D > > A 'cash cow' can and will be milked for all it's worth.  But not > > necessarily fed. > > H > >  From some recent posts, it appears that departures announced in theK > > newsgroup are like the tip of an iceburg.  Re, the mention of Christian G > > Moser, who was alledged to be behind most of the recent performance J > > enhancements to VMS.  And the mention of others who's privacy is being, > > respected.  How many?  Will any survive? >  > How many? I can't tell you...  > ( > Will any survive? The answer is YES !! > @ > VMS is going to blades....VMS will run a guest on HP-VM....VMSN > still has a good future ahead of it...I personally believe it and am relying > on it for paying the mortgage  >   F And exactly why do you think VMS running as a VM under a Linux variantD "sharing" peripherals with U*X and Windoze/IA64 is a selling point ?  F To me it is just HP sticking that pesky VMS thing in it's last resting9 place. The last rites will be administered shortly after.   D Of course, when M$ stops making WinAS/IA64, this will put a bit of aD dent in the HP grand plan, but the fullness of time will reveal all.   Dweeb    >  > > K > > The end, no, you'll still be able to throw money at HP for VMS V8.3 ten J > > years from now.  The 'coin involved' is whatever HP can take from you,; > > not what they'll do to continue to improve the product.  > >  > > --8 > > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450B > > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > > 170 Grimplin Road  > > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >  >  >  > --  ? > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 04:03:17 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability C Message-ID: <1160046197.135812.143230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   . You still don't get the 8086 thing, do you JF?   JF Mezei wrote:  > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:H > > Of course, when M$ stops making WinAS/IA64, this will put a bit of aH > > dent in the HP grand plan, but the fullness of time will reveal all. > H > Not necessarily. The "run VMS as a process in HP-UX" might allow HP toG > produce 8086 based Superdomes, and they'll have a software based IA64 N > emulator that will enable an IA64 version of VMS to run as a guest of HP-UX. > J > And if they are really smart, they'll get Charron VAX and AXP to work onG > HP-UX, so in one HP-UX instance, you'll be able to run an instance of : > VAX-VMS, one of Alpha-VMS and one of IA64-VMS as guests. > D > This way, VMS can follow to the winning architecture without being% > ported to the winning architecture.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 13:04:33 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability + Message-ID: <4oke71Ff23tkU1@individual.net>   C In article <1160046197.135812.143230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,  	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: 0 > You still don't get the 8086 thing, do you JF?  0 He never got the, "We burned our boats." either.E Of course, now they have thrown the navigators to the sharks in order E to preclude someone trying to build new boats and get back on course. F But JF won't get that either.  I wonder if his shrink knows he suffers from irrational fixations?`    bill   >  > JF Mezei wrote:  >> "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: I >> > Of course, when M$ stops making WinAS/IA64, this will put a bit of a I >> > dent in the HP grand plan, but the fullness of time will reveal all.  >>I >> Not necessarily. The "run VMS as a process in HP-UX" might allow HP to H >> produce 8086 based Superdomes, and they'll have a software based IA64O >> emulator that will enable an IA64 version of VMS to run as a guest of HP-UX.  >>K >> And if they are really smart, they'll get Charron VAX and AXP to work on H >> HP-UX, so in one HP-UX instance, you'll be able to run an instance of; >> VAX-VMS, one of Alpha-VMS and one of IA64-VMS as guests.  >>E >> This way, VMS can follow to the winning architecture without being & >> ported to the winning architecture. >    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 06:23:04 -0700 / From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability A Message-ID: <1160054584.440839.3040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1160046197.135812.143230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,  > 	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: 2 > > You still don't get the 8086 thing, do you JF? > 2 > He never got the, "We burned our boats." either.G > Of course, now they have thrown the navigators to the sharks in order G > to preclude someone trying to build new boats and get back on course. H > But JF won't get that either.  I wonder if his shrink knows he suffers > from irrational fixations?`  >  > bill  - It has nothing to do with his shrink -- it is ( that wacky weed that he smokes (although. he denies it).  I hear that the stuff north of the border is quite strong.    Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 13:25:59 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon); Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability + Message-ID: <4okff7Ff23tkU2@individual.net>   A In article <1160054584.440839.3040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 2 	"David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:F >> In article <1160046197.135812.143230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,  >> 	etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:3 >> > You still don't get the 8086 thing, do you JF?  >>3 >> He never got the, "We burned our boats." either. H >> Of course, now they have thrown the navigators to the sharks in orderH >> to preclude someone trying to build new boats and get back on course.I >> But JF won't get that either.  I wonder if his shrink knows he suffers  >> from irrational fixations?` >> >> bill  > / > It has nothing to do with his shrink -- it is * > that wacky weed that he smokes (although0 > he denies it).  I hear that the stuff north of > the border is quite strong.   9 And the RCMP have no problem just looking the other way!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:32:35 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk+ Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support , Message-ID: <eg2n03$gmh$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  V In article <4oiac7FenkffU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:+ >In article <eg0n60$j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, " >	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:j >> In article <4523d81b$0$5899$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: >>> L >>>"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message 0 >>>news:YSsZC49dgkQK@eisner.encompasserve.org...H >>>> In article <4ohnfvFept51U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill  >>>> Gunshannon) writes: >>>> >>>[...snip...]  >>>>B >>>>   The show you watched may have been on PBS, but I think yourI >>>>   conclusions belong on "In Search Of...".  You been drinking Vulcan  >>>>   wine lately?  >>>>M >>>Hey hold on a minute. There's no such thing as Vulcan wine. Maybe you are  # >>>referring to Klingon Blood Wine?  >>> @ >> Actually there is but it has nothing to do with Star Trek see >>  M >> http://www.savethevulcan.co.uk/  and pickup your personalised Vulcan wine.  >>  8 >> Or of course you could always have a Vulcan Mind Meld >>   >> - 1 part Ouzo >> - 1 part Rum 151 Proof  > ( >Is that a "Mind Meld" or a "Mind Melt"?  G Possibly after drinking it your so far out of your mind you might be in  somebody elses  :)    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      7 >I am hardly a puritan, but even I wouldn't drink that.  >:-) >  >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:25:33 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support I Message-ID: <8660a3a10610050425k716603bfjbea975b121634a24@mail.gmail.com>   ' ------=_Part_99362_358008.1160047533037 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   F On 10/5/06, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote: > D > In article <4oiac7FenkffU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill > Gunshannon) writes: - > >In article <eg0n60$j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, * > >       david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:F > >> In article <4523d81b$0$5899$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil' > Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > >>> E > >>>"Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in 	 > message 2 > >>>news:YSsZC49dgkQK@eisner.encompasserve.org...I > >>>> In article <4ohnfvFept51U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill  > >>>> Gunshannon) writes: > >>>> > >>>[...snip...]  > >>>>D > >>>>   The show you watched may have been on PBS, but I think yourK > >>>>   conclusions belong on "In Search Of...".  You been drinking Vulcan  > >>>>   wine lately?  > >>>>J > >>>Hey hold on a minute. There's no such thing as Vulcan wine. Maybe you > are % > >>>referring to Klingon Blood Wine?  > >>> B > >> Actually there is but it has nothing to do with Star Trek see > >>I > >> http://www.savethevulcan.co.uk/  and pickup your personalised Vulcan  > wine.  > >>: > >> Or of course you could always have a Vulcan Mind Meld > >> > >> - 1 part Ouzo > >> - 1 part Rum 151 Proof  > > * > >Is that a "Mind Meld" or a "Mind Melt"? > I > Possibly after drinking it your so far out of your mind you might be in  > somebody elses  :) >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  > 9 > >I am hardly a puritan, but even I wouldn't drink that.  > >:-) > >  > >bill  > >  > >-- F > >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three > wolvesG > >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  > >University of Scranton   | A > >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  >   5 Yikes!  That would take the paint right off your car.   K I don't want to even think what it would do to human (or non-human, to stay # on-tra(e?)k with the thread) flesh!    --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ' ------=_Part_99362_358008.1160047533037 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline    <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk">david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk">david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk </a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">In article &lt;<a href="mailto:4oiac7FenkffU2@individual.net">4oiac7FenkffU2@individual.net</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:bill@cs.uofs.edu">bill@cs.uofs.edu</a> (Bill Gunshannon) writes:<br>&gt;In article &lt;<a href="mailto:eg0n60$j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net">eg0n60$j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net</a>&gt;,<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk">  david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk</a> writes:<br>&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:4523d81b$0$5899$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com">4523d81b$0$5899$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Neil Rieck&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca">  n.rieck@sympatico.ca</a>&gt; writes:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Bob Koehler&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org">koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org</a>&gt; wrote in message<br>  &gt;&gt;&gt;news:YSsZC49dgkQK@eisner.encompasserve.org...<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In article &lt;<a href="mailto:4ohnfvFept51U1@individual.net">4ohnfvFept51U1@individual.net</a>&gt;, <a href="mailto:bill@cs.uofs.edu">bill@cs.uofs.edu I</a> (Bill<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Gunshannon) writes:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;[...snip...]<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; The show you watched may have been on PBS, but I think your<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; conclusions belong on &quot;In Search Of...&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp;You been drinking Vulcan $<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; wine lately?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hey hold on a minute. There's no such thing as Vulcan wine. Maybe you are<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;referring to Klingon Blood Wine?<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Actually there is but it has nothing to do with Star Trek see <br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.savethevulcan.co.uk/">http://www.savethevulcan.co.uk/</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;and pickup your personalised Vulcan wine.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Or of course you could always have a Vulcan Mind Meld  <br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; - 1 part Ouzo<br>&gt;&gt; - 1 part Rum 151 Proof<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Is that a &quot;Mind Meld&quot; or a &quot;Mind Melt&quot;?<br><br>Possibly after drinking it your so far out of your mind you might be in  <br>somebody elses&nbsp;&nbsp;:)<br><br><br>David Webb<br>Security team leader<br>CCSS<br>Middlesex University<br><br><br><br>&gt;I am hardly a puritan, but even I wouldn't drink that.<br>&gt;:-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;bill<br>&gt;<br>&gt;-- X<br>&gt;Bill Gunshannon&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp;&nbsp;de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.&nbsp;&nbsp;Three wolves<br>&gt;<a href="mailto:bill@cs.scranton.edu">bill@cs.scranton.edu</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.<br>&gt;University of Scranton&nbsp;&nbsp; |J<br>&gt;Scranton, Pennsylvania&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; #include &lt;std.disclaimer.h&gt;<br></blockquote></div><br>Yikes!&nbsp; That would take the paint right off your car.<br><br>I don't want to even think what it would do to human (or non-human, to stay on-tra(e?)k with the thread) flesh! <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   ) ------=_Part_99362_358008.1160047533037--    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:02:18 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 9 Message-ID: <XuOdncGnvaH1k7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:H >> was tossed out while discussing recent history.  It was Rich MarcelloJ >> who convinced his management to allow him to attempt a VMS renaissance,L >> which was mildly successful.  Customer input had nothing to do with that. >  >  > As I recall,   You recall incorrectly.   8 > it was Marcello's contacts with customers that made itH > possible for him to show Curly/Winkler/others that customers would NOTG > stay with Compaq should Compaq kill VMS and that it would represent a  > significant loss in revenus. > G > In the end, if you can show manager that they will lose a far greater H > numbner of customers than the MBAs predicted, this strikes a raw nerveI > becayuse it also shows to uppoer management that the MBAs who concucted T > the project had miscalculated the impact (aka: incompetant and not to be trusted).     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:04:57 +01007 From: "John Dallman [311000]" <john.dallman@ugsplm.com> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support ' Message-ID: <452535cb$1@usenet.ugs.com>   3 "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote  > Where IS Jimmy Hoffa?   7 Recently discovered blocking the Tubes of the InterWeb.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 09:17:47 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support B Message-ID: <1160065067.717922.59020@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > In article <1159997623.400596.139940@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 2 > 	"Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes: > > Neil Rieck wrote: : > >> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message* > >> news:4oibeaFem2i3U1@individual.net... > >> > > >> [...snip...] Q > >> > Except that the playing field isn't level.  The one who tookt he financial  > >> > risk P > >> > in establishing the business and continues to take that risk in operating	 > >> > it P > >> > has little if any leverage short of shutting the business down and moving	 > >> > it H > >> > elswhere (usually at a prohibitive cost) while the union can stop > >> > production $ > >> > and hold the company hostage. > >> > > > H > > If a company is viewed as a good and fair place to work, unions haveI > > little chance of forming. If not, then unionization is likely. If the E > > union is strong enough, and the company bends often enough to its J > > demands, then the demands will eventually exceed the company's abilityH > > to meet them and the company will be forced into dramatic change, or > > face closure.  > J > Nice textbook explanation of the way they claim it works.  Reality tendsI > to differ.  The organizers can come in offering anything and frequently H > do.  Often offering unreasonable demands they intend to present to theI > owners.  I won't re-hash it again, but we have a local company that has G > had one small section vote in a union twice in the 40 or so years the J > plant has been here.  In both cases by the end of the first contract theG > unionized section was behind in pay and benefits compared tot he rest J > of the plant and they voted the union out again.  Doesn't stop the unionH > organizers from keeping up a constant attemp to get in the door again. >   < The "reality" you present doesn't "differ" from my "textbook4 explanation" but augments it. More textbook reality:  G Good companies with happy employees don't need unions and unions have a ; difficult time organizing there. Not to say they don't try.   E Less than happy employees are susceptable to union campaign promises. F Campaign promises don't put money in the pocket or bread on the table,G but an unhappy person will want to believe them. A company with unhappy A workers will either be unionized or it will expend great energies  keeping the union out.  E Sometimes, unionization of a bad company will bring about a change of E management and the workers will become happier. Sometimes very little E changes except there are now more defined barriers between owners and  workers.  D A good company, with a mix of happy employees and malcontents can beG pushed into a unionization vote. The outcome of the vote will depend on = the ratio of happy workers to malcontents and idiot managers.   D The more idiot managers a company hires, the more likely it is to beG unionized. The more "corporate politcal" a company's top management is, - the more likely it is to hire idiot managers.   E A company can break or at least control a union by a number of means, E not all of them painful but more are than not. Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) D is a good company with an interesting story that deserves at least a" large chapter in every "textbook".  > I've experienced unions as a member, a manager, an owner and aG consultant, but I'm not going to write another textbook. Especially not  here. (you're welcome;-)    : > >                The auto industry shines as an example. > G > Ford and GM are both in financial difficulties trying to keep up with D > unreasonable conditions they were forced into by unions over time.E > A rather simplistic view, but I don't think there is enough time to E > cover everything and they did contribute more than the lion's share , > of the Big Three's current moeny problems. >   " Yep. It's all in the textbook (^;p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:56:28 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>/ Subject: Re: Long startup times with lots of IO < Message-ID: <0i7Vg.85456$wg.19355@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Villy Madsen wrote:  > Greetings all... > L > Can someone tells me what might cause a long delay with lots of IO on the M > virtual machine (I'm running SIMH on a W/XP Sp2 1.5ghz 1gb P4) between the  ' > following two messages during startup  > H > %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization. > D > %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at  4-OCT-2006 20:08:04.26 > N > This is not an always occurrence, but it seems to happen fairly frequently. G > I don't ever remember it happening on my W98/SE box., but I could be  K > mistaken.  When it does happen, the IO byte count is high enough that it  F > appears to be scanning the entire system pack - a RA92 virtual disk.  E Are you by any chance running with the VMS virtual disk as a Windows  G compressed file? Saves a lot of space but I frequently saw huge delays  4 in startup when I had Windows compression turned on.       --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 00:30:53 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order dateC Message-ID: <1160033452.090670.227020@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Ian Miller wrote: I > If the systems are on contract then hp know this and keep field service I > spares stocks appropriately, There are issues with older kit. In the UK C > hp are having trouble finding parts for older VAXes and RF series I > drives (this is not surprising as they have not been manufacured for 20 I > years!). Any replacement parts found are often as old as the parts they % > replace and the DOA rate is higher.  > G > neomonix engineering do some interesting add ons for VAXes and alphas E > amd they are made from new parts and are gauranteed for some years.  > C > For Alphaservers the 2nd hand market and hp re-marketed systems I I > expect will be available for years yet. New options and upgrades are to ! > be sold for another year by hp. H > I think parts for alphas are more mainstream that VAX parts and expect3 > they will be easier to source in the years ahead.   G Well, I do not know about in the US, but recent events of which I aware  in europe include.  @ 1: Service calls unanswered - redirected to unanswered phones in	 Bangalore ? 2: Service calls answered by people whose VMS experience can be A inscribed on the back of a postage stamp with a blunt instrument. E 3: Delays of DAYS getting spares for inoperable DSxx's - stock not on  hand.   F The process started under CFs regime, has continued unabated.  HP haveD rationalised away service - period.  Is it any wonder that customersF are seriously evaluating (and in many cases known to me) in the actualG process of moving away from VMS ?  And trust me, when VMS goes, so does 5 the ability of HP to sell PCs, SANs or ANYTHING else.   F HP continues to merrily rape the goose and those responsible will reapF their rewards and retire to CA to write books and give lectures on how great they were :(   How sad it all is    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:09:42 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order dateI Message-ID: <8660a3a10610050409p4663a0b6n3285ed366d82ca74@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_98974_24168506.1160046582991 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   4 On 9/30/06, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Dave Froble wrote:K > >> Ok, the second statement is mine, but the first is William Webb.  Note F > >> that I don't call you an idiot, just question the expectations of
 > another. > > K > > OK, I am sorry then.  Since you appear to be the champion of JF-bashing G > > here, I tended to automatically assume that statement had come from = > > you....  Seems you lost your exclusivity on JF-bashing...  > & > And I've complained about that.  :-) > J > > Anyone else taking you up on your offer to use aliminIum baseball batsL > > to reshape my head ?  :-) Maybe Gantanamo bay might be safer for me than > > the bootcamp :-) > , > Ah well, maybe time to burst your balloon. > F > Your usage of '8086' and such doesn't bother me nearly as much as itF > appears to bother some.  The threat of the bats doesn't exist.  It'sH > just a momentary 'virtual' thought that allows me to continue smiling. > H > I just don't let too many things really affect me.  Let off steam, and5 > the pressure never rises to a dangerous level.  :-)  > I > However, the latest news out of VMS Engineering did get to me.  I think F > I suspected that eventually such would happen, but I was hoping some6 > reason would prevail.  Apparently not in this world. >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >   ? jf, if you re-read what I said, I didn't say you were an idiot. 1 I said that your statement was downright idiotic.   B There's a world of difference between saying "You're an idiot" and+ "That statement you just made was idiotic".   ? Smart people (inadvertently as well as vertently) come out with  less-than-smart ) statements all the time, myself included.   B Read any business magazine and you'll find a plethora of examples.   WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_98974_24168506.1160046582991 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   2<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/30/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dave Froble</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">davef@tsoft-inc.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> JF Mezei wrote:<br>&gt; Dave Froble wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Ok, the second statement is mine, but the first is William Webb.&nbsp;&nbsp;Note<br>&gt;&gt; that I don't call you an idiot, just question the expectations of another.<br>&gt;<br> &gt; OK, I am sorry then.&nbsp;&nbsp;Since you appear to be the champion of JF-bashing<br>&gt; here, I tended to automatically assume that statement had come from<br>&gt; you....&nbsp;&nbsp;Seems you lost your exclusivity on JF-bashing...<br> <br>And I've complained about that.&nbsp;&nbsp;:-)<br><br>&gt; Anyone else taking you up on your offer to use aliminIum baseball bats<br>&gt; to reshape my head ?&nbsp;&nbsp;:-) Maybe Gantanamo bay might be safer for me than<br>&gt; the bootcamp :-) $<br><br>Ah well, maybe time to burst your balloon.<br><br>Your usage of '8086' and such doesn't bother me nearly as much as it<br>appears to bother some.&nbsp;&nbsp;The threat of the bats doesn't exist.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's<br>just a momentary 'virtual' thought that allows me to continue smiling.:<br><br>I just don't let too many things really affect me.&nbsp;&nbsp;Let off steam, and<br>the pressure never rises to a dangerous level.&nbsp;&nbsp;:-)<br><br>However, the latest news out of VMS Engineering did get to me.&nbsp;&nbsp;I think<br>I suspected that eventually such would happen, but I was hoping somew<br>reason would prevail.&nbsp;&nbsp;Apparently not in this world.<br><br>--<br>David Froble&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tel: 724-529-0450<br>Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E-Mail: <a href="mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">davef@tsoft-inc.com  </a><br>DFE Ultralights, Inc.<br>170 Grimplin Road<br>Vanderbilt, PA&nbsp;&nbsp;15486<br></blockquote></div><br>jf, if you re-read what I said, I didn't say you were an idiot.&nbsp; <br>I said that your statement was downright idiotic.<br clear="all">  <br>There's a world of difference between saying &quot;You're an idiot&quot; and<br>&quot;That statement you just made was idiotic&quot;.<br><br>Smart people (inadvertently as well as vertently) come out with less-than-smart   <br>statements all the time, myself included.<br><br>Read any business magazine and you'll find a plethora of examples.<br><br>WWWebb<br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f 9 $edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_98974_24168506.1160046582991--    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:24:04 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: OT:  The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 270 Message-ID: <00A5CBD7.B367F696@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <eg1fc802905@enews3.newsguy.com>, Alex Zorrilla <apz@zxeng.com> writes: >  > I >I was gonna say... why in the world would Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman  G >be there ( http://www.therobin.co.uk ) on October 25?  Then I figured  J >out that Jon must be the coalminer and Rick is the cheese expert, so now  >it all makes sense.  :P  H If you ever get the chance to speak with Rick and hear his jokes, cheese" expert is an appropriate title! ;)   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:30:47 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGF Subject: Re: OT:  The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 270 Message-ID: <00A5CBD8.A3D1E901@SendSpamHere.ORG>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-00FD68.05285005102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: >  > 1 >In article <00A5CB51.BB85BE78@SendSpamHere.ORG>, # > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > N >> In article <paul.sture.nospam-82928E.19165504102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, 4 >> Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes: >> > >> > >> >My guess is this one:  >> >' >> >"Summer's End Festival, Bilston UK"  >>  J >> Very good Paul.  I was in Swindon Hook too.  Let's see if you can find  >> where and why. :) > I >Hmm. Is Hook just north of Wootton Bassett and the M4, in the middle of  G >nowhere? If it's the place I'm thinking of, that's where I discovered  J >Flowers Bitter (you have unwittingly taken me back to my mainframe days).  E 'Tis... though I didn't come across any Flowers Bitter in the gig bar   or the hotel's (Marsh Farm) bar.       >Aha - this *has* to be it:  > % >http://www.riffsbar.biz/riffsbar.htm  >  >October... 	 >Sunday 1  > 	 >Line up: I >STEVE HOGARTH - A rare solo performance by the lead singer of Marillion.  > A >From the rest of the website, it looks to be an excellent venue.   " Give that man a Flowers Bitter! :)  I A bit small for 100 people and too warm.  Wonderful people run the place.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 00:12:37 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: OT: OM (Scandinavian stock exchange) B Message-ID: <1160032357.222170.30980@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: J > This was in the BBC WBR this morning. The stock exchanges in scandinaviaH > are getting together to become more important (except for Norway which# > has not yet accepted to join in).  > I > The head of the OMX exchange was interviewed, and he mentioned that one J > of the biggest assets was the OM technology which it had sold to over 60F > stock exchanges around the world and that they would most certaintly" > continue to leverage that asset. > F > While for HP, this is not relevant because, with NSK and VMS, it hasJ > pretty much locked up the stock exchange market, for the VMS group, thisL > is good news (assuming OM continues to push for VMS as the choice platfor= m).   C I was on Str=F8get the other day and noticed that there is a bright 3 shiny OMX sign proudly displayed from the exchange.   $ Yes, good for VMS and for OracleRdb.  E Of course OM have been investigating moving away from OracleRdb for a B decade, but have thusfar failed.  Getting off OracleRdb would be a+ pre-requisite for moving to an *x platform.   F Based on the experiences of NYMEX, where the problem was probably muchA easier, do not expect an OracleRdb --> OracleClassic move from OM 
 anytime soon.   F Note also that Shanghai has acquired the Deutsche Borse systems, whichA were themselves acquired from the Swiss - originally developed by < Accenture (Arthus Andersen back then) - which are VMS based.  G VMS continues to live a quiet life i these important sites, but the new C breed of overeduated, inexperienced weenies are moving in, so it is G only a matter of time before we see moves like the LSE to a complete M$  based solution.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 04:41:28 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.ukE Subject: Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27 C Message-ID: <1160048488.161682.271400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G No, Hook is in Hampshire.  The only place just north of Wootton Bassett F and the M4 is Swindon (my former home...  thankfully former some might say!)    Steve    Paul Sture wrote: 2 > In article <00A5CB51.BB85BE78@SendSpamHere.ORG>,$ >  VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > N > > In article <paul.sture.nospam-82928E.19165504102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,5 > > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > > >  > > >  > > >My guess is this one: > > > ( > > >"Summer's End Festival, Bilston UK" > > J > > Very good Paul.  I was in Swindon Hook too.  Let's see if you can find > > where and why. :)  > I > Hmm. Is Hook just north of Wootton Bassett and the M4, in the middle of G > nowhere? If it's the place I'm thinking of, that's where I discovered K > Flowers Bitter (you have unwittingly taken me back to my mainframe days).  >  > Aha - this *has* to be it: > & > http://www.riffsbar.biz/riffsbar.htm >  > October...
 > Sunday 1 > 
 > Line up:J > STEVE HOGARTH - A rare solo performance by the lead singer of Marillion. > B > From the rest of the website, it looks to be an excellent venue. >  > --   > Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 05:44:46 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>E Subject: Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27 C Message-ID: <1160052285.949825.120650@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   F Rick Wakeman does a show on www.planetrock.com on Saturday Mornings at 10am (UK time).   / http://www.planetrock.com/sectional.asp?id=7690    The jokes are not good.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:08:12 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> E Subject: Re: OT: The inventor of the Vax machine died on September 27 J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-AFED74.16081205102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  C In article <1160048488.161682.271400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  I > No, Hook is in Hampshire.  The only place just north of Wootton Bassett  > and the M4 is Swindon ...  >   , I did mention "in the middle of nowhere" :-)  I http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/swindontourism/townsandvillages/swindo 
 ntourismhook/   < > ... (my former home...  thankfully former some might say!)  H I was in Swindon for a good chunk of 1980. It had recently been granted E New Town status (meaning grants and tax breaks) and we got relocated  / into a shiny new warehouse / head office there.   D To get back on topic (sort of) I think this was around the start of G technology companies moving into the M4 corridor, later to be known as  D the "Silicon Corridor", Britain's answer to the real Silicon Valley.  D DEC already had a major presence in Reading (20 or so miles east of % Swindon); I think DECpark came later.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 08:28:31 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>. Subject: Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2HA Message-ID: <1160062111.922126.84440@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    Zibri wrote:5 > "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message > > news:1159893351.664461.259800@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > < > > You need to get a router box or firewall to do the PPPoEK > > authentication/connection; I don't think I've ever heard of a  software J > > client for VMS.  The router/firewall should make it transparent to the > > VMS system.  > , > I'm a senior network manager, I know that.   ... 1 "How to setup a PPPOE connection on VMS 5.5-2H ?!  Can I do it with multinet ? ! Do I need something else/more ? "  ...   D Nothing in your initial post provided an indication of your level of
 expertise.   > K > > We have two sites, one using a Sonicwall TZ150 firewall, the other uses I > > some random netgear router, to support PPPoE connections where a real G > > link is not available.  Both work, the firewall is a better box but  > > more expensive.  > 6 > ...and gold is better than silver.. yeah.. I know...  D Both are solutions to your question as asked.  We've been happy withB the performance of the Sonicwall boxes, and in general the supportE provided, which included getting their firewall working with a broken B SBC "provisional" PPPoE DSL link with a static IP when netgear andD Dlink failed; before that only SBC's proprietary wintel software wasF able to connect, which was useless for us, and presumably would be for you too.   > F > > PPPoE sucks.  Its consumer grade crap made to allow infrastructureH > > economies to its providers, not service or performance improvements.D > > If you have any choice in getting a real TCPIP link instead, I'd > > recommend it.  > . > Thanks for not answering my simple question.= > I just asked if there is any product PPPoE capable for VMS.    Actually I did.  ... 9 "You need to get a router box or firewall to do the PPPoE F authentication/connection; I don't think I've ever heard of a software client for VMS." ...   > Perhaps I could have been more clear:  Yes, you need somethingG else/more.  There are no known software clients to provide direct PPPoE G connection and/or authentication under VMS.  Depending on your existing B router hardware, you may be able to switch it into a mode where itG provides the PPPoE negotiation and authentication and allows devices on E the LAN to operate normally; if not you may need to replace it with a @ combination DSL modem and router that provides support for PPPoE authentication.   A In the past we've had a number of vendor recommendations to use a G separate PPPoE capable modem and a more standard router/firewall behind G it.  At one of our customers we have a basic DSL modem with a Sonicwall B behind it where the modem only provides base connectivity, and theE Sonicwall performs the PPPoE negotiations and provides standard TCPIP E connectivity to the network behind it (albeit with the MTU reduced to  allow for PPPoE overhead).  @ Multinet will work just fine to talk to a hardware PPPoE capableC router/firewall or modem/router, but cannot connect directly to the D PPPoE link due to the lack of a authentication/negotiation facility.  G Outside of a hardware or a software solution, what else would there be? E  The hardware solutions pointed out are generic, not specific to VMS, C but they will work.  And unless there's a software PPPoE client out C there for VMS that I missed (I did search before responding to your B question), a hardware box would seem to be the only viable option.  D I'll add; with as old a version of VMS as you listed, and on the VAXG architecture, its pretty unlikely that even if a vendor came out with a E software client, that it would work on your system.  If there ever is E one, Process will probably be the provider, and Multinet the package, < but its not available now and there's been no mention of the= possibility on the newsgroups for Process Software products..   C If my expression of disdain for PPPoE and recommendations to try to D find a better service offended, sorry... we've had to deal with thatD type of connection several times, and consistently had more problemsC with it than any other type (or all other types combined, including F some officeconnect dialup modem/routers).  If there's any other option2 available other than dialup, we generally take it.  % For a couple of previous threads see:    http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/21638a2a24178990/a8758163d0d62e20?lnk=gst&q=pppoe+vax&rnum=1#a8758163d0d62e20   http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/e6453be49755031/096475e170bbcf8e?lnk=gst&q=pppoe+vax&rnum=7#096475e170bbcf8e   E Multinet has a newsgroup; there was no info there on PPPoE other than $ via a hardware PPPoE capable router:> http://groups.google.com/group/vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet   Rich   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:42:44 +0200, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>2 Subject: Re: SPAWN numbering of subprocesses (8.2)5 Message-ID: <1160030564.494237@proxy.dienste.wien.at>    Nobody:   B > With VMS 8.2, it appears that SPAWN creates a subprocess with anC > apparently random number instead of sequential ones. for instance  > user_110, user_75 user_150   Yes, since VMS V7.3-1   F > I recally prefer having sequential ones such as user_1 user_2 user_3
 > user_4 etc.  > H > Was there a reason to change this behaviour ? Any magical logical thatC > can be set to get SPAWN to use the old subprocess naking scheme ?   1 Take a look at the system parameter DCL_CTLFLAGS.    Greetings, Ferry   --   Ing Ferry Bolhar  Magistrat der Stadt Wien - MA 14 A-1010 Wien  E-Mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 04:40:34 -0700  From: mckinneyj@saic.com, Subject: Re: Stripeset member logging errorsB Message-ID: <1160048434.252506.49330@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Drew Shelton wrote:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Drew Shelton wrote:  > > > L > > > I have 2 HSZ80's configured in multibus failover mode.  A stripeset isK > > > logging errors, and I need to determine which physical disk is having M > > > problems.  I'm fairly certain that the DECevent output contains the LUN  > > > I J > > > need, but I can't find it.  The disks in the stripeset are DISK50000	 > > > and . > > > DISK60100.  What is the physical device? > > 	. > > 	. > > 	. > > > ) > > > Associated Port                 x05 ) > > > Associated Target               x01  > > 3 > > According to this, DISK50100 is being reported.  > H > That's what I thought, but DISK50100 isn't a member of this stripeset. >   E The SCSI protocol use in an HSZ environment is not as robust as, say, G and HSJ's MSCP - especially in the manner in which errors are reported. E To the best of my knowledge, when an IO fails, the next successful IO B contains the error report as extended sense data. In many case theG "next" IO is to the same unit. However, in many cases the next IO is to A some other unit. The output of a DCL SHOW ERROR command in an HSZ F environment should only be considered to be error notification and notD a pointer to which unit experienced the failure. The only conclusionA that you could draw is that the event occurred on some unit being G serviced by the the HSZ controller that is serving the disk whose error @ count incremented (sometimes of interest in a dual redundant HSZF configuration). You need always examine the associated port and targetC info - and you should do so for a healthy sampling of the errors in F case there may be a shelf problem, etc. This one error log entry callsF out the disk at PTL = 5-1-0. If other error log entries are consistant* you should consider swapping out the disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:43:10 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: Structure of HELPLIB.HLB 9 Message-ID: <_cOdndwjFKJmirjYnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:e > In article <-OidnV5xJsFRRb7YnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >> JF Mezei wrote: > K >>> What reason was there to put so many of the "routines" items in the top I >>> help instead of putting them under RTL  where they logically belong ? D >> Sometimes it's hard to find things that are several levels down. I >> Putting them at the top level makes them visable.  That said, I agree  $ >> with you, some structure is good. > B > So have you folks sent your comments to openvmsdoc@hp.com, or is$ > this just an exercise in venting ?  F Why? As I stated, there are valid arguments for both approaches.  Not H venting, just commenting.  Either method produces results, and problems.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 01:44:37 -0700 + From: "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> " Subject: Re: Sydney Rdb Tech ForumA Message-ID: <1160037877.718259.7700@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,  > N > Just a quick couple of things about this week's Rdb Tech Forum in Sydney for0 > those who might not hear from other sources: - > J > 1) The "truly debilitating piece of redundancy that is RTNUSENOTALL" hasN > *finally* been removed! This is great news for all you people out there withM > images installed with privs. (The earliest whinge of mine that I could find 9 > was 25-Aug-2000) BIND ON SERVER bites the dust as well!  >   C Oh yes.  Reading the release note about that (whichever one it was) E bought a smile to my face and a flashback to your inumerable posts on  this matter.  I > 2) Rdb has finally woken up to the VMS Rserved Memory Registry! (Norm's M > obviously had enough of that big "L" on his forehead over Granularity Hints N > :-) There is stilll a bullshit restriction imposed on Global Buffer size andJ > Norm refused to implement the rdb$vintage Global Buffer root variable soK > that your VLM Global Buffers could survive database closure. But let's be F > happy for a while! (The earliest whing of mine that I could find was > 25-Mar-2002) > N > 3) "SQL> Set Session Authorization Persona :ws_integer" is . . . sadly stillK > not here :-( but I could not find a single person who had any idea why it N > shouldn't be implemented. Please contact your Rdb support person if you wantA > user auditing with APACHE, ACMS, Tier3. (First whinge Year dot)  >  > 4) Too many Kiwis :-)  >  > Cheers Richard Maher > C > PS. The weather was *much* better than Perth I am ashamed to say.  >   E A disturbance in the Force? Global warming?  El Nino? or perhaps just , Sydney being nice to guests from the west :)  I > PPS. I'd just like to take this opportunity to wish my taxi driver from N > Wednesday morning all the best with his upcoming colonoscopy! I sure hope itL > works out. And thanks evr so much for sharing your medical history with meM > while stuck in traffic on the way to the Opera House! Ahh the things people M > tell you after you've had a full English breakfast! The word "Lesions" just , > conjures up all sorts or images for me :-( >   7 Richard, I did not know you spoke Russian!? - amazing !  rofl  4 > PPPS. Thanks, as always, to Kevein Duffy and crew!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:39:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? , Message-ID: <4524C496.DCCDE581@teksavvy.com>   OK, now I am "legal".    VAX VMS 7.3 
 Alpha VMS 8.3   D On the VAXes, I not only see the Alpha's disk device, but I can also mount them ! Neat.  7 However, the Alpha still does not see the tape device.    A $4$dia0 is on one DSSI bus accessed by VELO ($3$) and Wheel ($5$)   9 (velo has a second DSSI bus and the drives there are $3$)      Both VELO and WHEEL have:     MSCP_LOAD = 1 MSCP_SERVE_ALL = 1" TMSCP_LOAD = 1 TMSCP_SERVE_ALL = 1  : Both see the device $4$mia0. Each has a direct path to it.    F However, the other vax and alpha , both connected via ethernet, do notF see that device at all.  The ALPHA was rebooted with TMSCP_LOAD set to 1.    H I can't garantee that the other VAX has TMSCP_LOAD active. (USE ACTIVE ;G SHOW TMSCP_LOAD says "1", but not usre if I set it manually recently or 2 if it was really there when the node last booted).  G Are there other SYSGEN parameters that are involved in deciding whether ( a VAX publishes a tape device it sees ?   9 Or am I faced with something which VMS simply cannot do ?   E Or do nodes only serve tape drives that are owned locally (aka: not a < shared DSSI and a device with same alloclass as the node) ?   H Based on the doc I saw, the TMSCL_SERVE_ALL should serve all tape drives visible to that node.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2006 23:37:57 -0700  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au  Subject: Re: USB hampster C Message-ID: <1160030277.819955.288830@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   
 Hi Forrest  H > The built in USB in the XP1000 will not be enabled by installing V8.3.  " What about the DS10L and the DS10?  D Are they supported or is there a hack required to get these to work?  . Want to connect my usb weather station logger.0 (www.davisnet.com/weather/products/stations.asp)   Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:46:47 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> Subject: Re: USB hampster & Message-ID: <4525286B.50BD4C44@hp.com>  : 	As I have said before the built in USB controllers on theE DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible to  B the O.S.  So unless you have a box with older firmware that shows 0 a USB controller in the output from clue/config.  ; 	If have an open PCI slot the best answer is an add in card  using the NEC USB chip set.      Forrest         stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: >  > Hi Forrest > J > > The built in USB in the XP1000 will not be enabled by installing V8.3. > $ > What about the DS10L and the DS10? > F > Are they supported or is there a hack required to get these to work? > 0 > Want to connect my usb weather station logger.2 > (www.davisnet.com/weather/products/stations.asp) >  > Thanks >  > Stuart   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:19:21 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: USB hampster J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-58B6BA.19192105102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  & In article <4525286B.50BD4C44@hp.com>,.  Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> wrote:  < > 	As I have said before the built in USB controllers on theG > DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible to  D > the O.S.  So unless you have a box with older firmware that shows 2 > a USB controller in the output from clue/config. > = > 	If have an open PCI slot the best answer is an add in card  > using the NEC USB chip set.  >   D That has awoken my curiosity. Would such a card work in a PWS 600au?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 18:52:53 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?, Message-ID: <45255485$1@news.langstoeger.at>  e In article <44203002$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: d >In article <44201dc1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:F >>On the other side, I just noticed that V8 CHECKSUM has problems with+ >>DDIF files (files with STORED_SEMANTICS):  > K >Not only with DDIF files, but also with some other files ("write locked"). L >It seems, V8 CHECKSUM does not open the file read-only/shared. Is this so ?  L Browsing the sources it seems that the old CHECKSUM.EXE was written in BLISSL and opening its files with RMS and therefor correctly, while the new with V8L I64_CHECKSUM.EXE (funny name for an Alpha image ;-) is written in C and openM its files with fopen ("rb" and "ctx=stm") which obviously does it not correct M in all cases - like mentioned DDIF files (btw. how often have I seen problems M with [umpteen MB] logfiles which can no longer be TYPE/TAILed or even read at I all after "upgrading" the application program to "c" - how/when will they K learn to open VMS files in/with C correctly - it's a shame, not even HP...)   M >Could we please have a fixed CHECKSUM.EXE via ECO (for V8.2 but also V7.3-2)    and of course for V8.3 too   Still hoping   -EPLAN --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.547 ************************