1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 06 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 548       Contents:+ Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + RE: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"  Advice on Alphaserver 4100 Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 Re: Advice on Alphaserver 41002 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.22 does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST E Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax # Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour & Re: Long startup times with lots of IO% Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities % Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities  Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London) $ Page terminology (SYSGEN, Authorize)% Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H  Re: RC25 Re: Sydney Rdb Tech Forum  Re: TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? Re: TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster! Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ? ! Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ? ! Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:43:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket", Message-ID: <4525A69C.BA2F4E92@teksavvy.com>   Ian Miller wrote:  > F > some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more > demand for VMS people  > 5 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/  >  > If only it was true :-(     G Jenkins, VP of marketing of BCS (oxymoron) uses the word "LEGACY"  when  mentioning OpenVMS.   H Perhaps Mr Froble should aim his aluminium bat to Jenkins instead of me.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:44:17 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: "VMS people can write their own ticket"T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401BA56AA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----A > From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20   > Sent: October 5, 2006 12:48 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" >=20 >=20 >=20= > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote on 10/05/2006 11:51:29 AM:  >=20> > > some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there=20 > will be more=20  > > demand for VMS people  > > 7 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/  > >  > > If only it was true :-(  >=206 > "...legacy environments such as...DEC's OpenVMS...." >=20/ > That's quoting Martin Banks, not Don Jenkins. / > Didn't Don tell him it's called "HP OpenVMS?"  > >   A Sigh ... Its always amusing to see those "IT rookies" (like media E reporters/analysts who have never spent any time in a DC environment) B use the term "legacy" to describe what they do not understand in aE condescending and/or derogatory manner in such a way as to imply that ? the platforms they are familiar with are in some way better.=20   E Microsoft calls Windows 2000 and NT4 environments "legacy". Sun calls ? Solaris 7/8 "legacy". IBM calls older versions of AIX "legacy".   F Key point is that *all* OS platforms have "legacy" versions. That does' not mean current versions are "legacy".        Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:52:19 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"9 Message-ID: <lP2dnaZKlopvTbjYnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Ian Miller wrote: G >> some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more  >> demand for VMS people >>6 >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/ >> >> If only it was true :-( >  > I > Jenkins, VP of marketing of BCS (oxymoron) uses the word "LEGACY"  when  > mentioning OpenVMS.  > J > Perhaps Mr Froble should aim his aluminium bat to Jenkins instead of me.  % Got lotsa bats, and they're reusable.   H Give it up.  I've lost any hope for VMS.  Talk is cheap, but we've been E seeing HP's actions.  I have no idea where HP management thinks it's  H going, but my suspicions are that current management worries only about 9 it's short term bonuses, golden parachutes, and now jail.   G Two things went hand in hand, VMS and support.  They supplemented each  I other.  As long as the support was there, VMS had a chance.  HP has just  D removed the last compelling reason to choose VMS.  The day of 'good I enough' has arrived.  The lowest common denominator for 'good enough' is   rather low.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 18:16:05 -0700  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com# Subject: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 C Message-ID: <1160097364.927366.197960@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   C I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide 3 what to do with it and would appreciate any advice.   E Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I F only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months duringG a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works 3 great, although more storage options would be nice.   G A company I've been working with said they would give me an Alphaserver F 4100. It's in a large cabinet and has three Storageworks racks (mostly8 with only 4GB drives unfortunately). Here are the specs:   - Single 533Mhz CPU  - 512MB memory - Four SCSI adapters - TZ88 with 7 tape autoloader   @ I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, oneD consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that theG spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, I D don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tapeB loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not toG mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, not A to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I % picture it using lots of electricity.   G Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they $ use a lot of power? Any suggestions?  E Other than the memory problem that I am going to look into, my PWS500 F does fine. My only real issue with it is that for some reason the 18GBB and 36GB drives aren't recognized in the BA364 enclosure. However,F since they work in the racks in the AS4100, I am assuming that I could@ pull one of it's racks and use the larger drives with my PWS500.  
 Any thoughts?    Thanks.  Bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:36:46 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ' Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 I Message-ID: <8660a3a10610051936p281f01b2y134fc8ede9b19f36@mail.gmail.com>   ( ------=_Part_113018_306236.1160102206689; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   L On 5 Oct 2006 18:16:05 -0700, mcbill20@yahoo.com <mcbill20@yahoo.com> wrote: > E > I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide 5 > what to do with it and would appreciate any advice.  > G > Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I H > only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months duringI > a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works 5 > great, although more storage options would be nice.  > I > A company I've been working with said they would give me an Alphaserver H > 4100. It's in a large cabinet and has three Storageworks racks (mostly: > with only 4GB drives unfortunately). Here are the specs: >  > - Single 533Mhz CPU  > - 512MB memory > - Four SCSI adapters > - TZ88 with 7 tape autoloader  > B > I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, oneF > consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that theI > spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, I F > don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tapeD > loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not toI > mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, not C > to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I ' > picture it using lots of electricity.  > I > Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they & > use a lot of power? Any suggestions? > G > Other than the memory problem that I am going to look into, my PWS500 H > does fine. My only real issue with it is that for some reason the 18GBD > and 36GB drives aren't recognized in the BA364 enclosure. However,H > since they work in the racks in the AS4100, I am assuming that I couldB > pull one of it's racks and use the larger drives with my PWS500. >  > Any thoughts?  > 	 > Thanks.  > Bill        @ Make sure you have strong shelvage, as they weigh about 100 lbs.  G You might have *two* of those power supplies, and a regular IEC 320 C13 J "PC-style" power cord.  You might even have *three*, but with a single CPU it's kind of unlikely.   WWWebb     --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ( ------=_Part_113018_306236.1160102206689+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline    <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5 Oct 2006 18:16:05 -0700, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:mcbill20@yahoo.com">mcbill20@yahoo.com</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:mcbill20@yahoo.com">mcbill20@yahoo.com</a>
&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide<br>what to do with it and would appreciate any advice.  <br><br>Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I<br>only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months during<br>a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works<br>great, although more storage options would be nice.<br><br>A company I've been working with said they would give me an Alphaserver<br>4100. It's in a large cabinet and has three Storageworks racks (mostly<br>with only 4GB drives unfortunately). Here are the specs: <br><br>- Single 533Mhz CPU<br>- 512MB memory<br>- Four SCSI adapters<br>- TZ88 with 7 tape autoloader<br><br>I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, one<br>consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that the <br>spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, I<br>don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tape<br>loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not to<br> mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, not<br>to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I<br>picture it using lots of electricity.<br><br>Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they<br>use a lot of power? Any suggestions?<br><br>Other than the memory problem that I am going to look into, my PWS500<br>does fine. My only real issue with it is that for some reason the 18GB<br>and 36GB drives aren't recognized in the BA364 enclosure. However,  <br>since they work in the racks in the AS4100, I am assuming that I could<br>pull one of it's racks and use the larger drives with my PWS500.<br><br>Any thoughts?<br><br>Thanks.<br>Bill</blockquote><div><br>&nbsp;</div><br></div>@ Make sure you have strong shelvage, as they weigh about 100 lbs.G <br><br>You might have *two* of those power supplies, and a regular IEC V 320 C13 &quot;PC-style&quot; power cord.&nbsp; You might even have *three*, but with a single CPU it's kind of unlikely.<br><br>WWWebb <br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   * ------=_Part_113018_306236.1160102206689--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:18:30 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 9 Message-ID: <vpmdnZAGUPKISrjYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: E > I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide 5 > what to do with it and would appreciate any advice.  > G > Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I H > only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months duringI > a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works 5 > great, although more storage options would be nice.  > I > A company I've been working with said they would give me an Alphaserver H > 4100. It's in a large cabinet and has three Storageworks racks (mostly: > with only 4GB drives unfortunately). Here are the specs: >  > - Single 533Mhz CPU  > - 512MB memory > - Four SCSI adapters > - TZ88 with 7 tape autoloader  > B > I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, oneF > consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that theI > spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, I F > don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tapeD > loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not toI > mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, not C > to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I ' > picture it using lots of electricity.  > I > Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they & > use a lot of power? Any suggestions?  E I'm not using one, but I'd bet on it sucking lots of power.  Get the  B specs from the Systems and Options somewhere on the VMS web pages.  G > Other than the memory problem that I am going to look into, my PWS500 H > does fine. My only real issue with it is that for some reason the 18GBD > and 36GB drives aren't recognized in the BA364 enclosure. However,H > since they work in the racks in the AS4100, I am assuming that I couldB > pull one of it's racks and use the larger drives with my PWS500.  E The BA364 is a great little enclosure, allowing you to use narrow or  G wide SCSI disks.  I'm betting the disks you have are beyond wide SCSI,  H possibly Ultra-SCSI or such.  You'd need a different SCSI controller to @ get them to work.  Should be doable in the PWS.  No PWS, so I'm G guessing.  Just using the shelf with the current controller in the PWS   probably won't help you.  D What are you doing with VMS?  For many things the PWS is just fine. H While the 4100 is a fine machine, upkeep might be more than you want to A spend.  It'll keep you warm in the winter, if you need such.  :-)    > Any thoughts?  > 	 > Thanks.  > Bill >    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:11:17 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> ; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610051310370.27552@localhost.localdomain>   + On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, David J Dachtera wrote:   G > .OBJs must either be "jacketed" in savesets, .ZIP archives, etc., or  D > they must be stored in .OLB files which are transferred as binary  > (Fixed-512). > E > That said, if the FTP agents involved support STRU VMS, this would  G > be almost as good as DECnet. This works between Multinet clients and  D > servers, and should work between TCPware as well. I've never seen B > this work right with UCX, though it may very well work. Haven't  > tried lately.    COPY/FTP/FDL might work.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:54:41 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> ; Subject: Re: Alpha object file changes - version 6.2 to 8.2 0 Message-ID: <4525B761.CE1DCC98@spam.comcast.net>   John Reagan wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > . > > There is no "safe" way to FTP a .OBJ file. > F > By the way, object files on OpenVMS I64 should be FTP'able as binaryI > files as they don't rely on the variable length record aspect of RMS to < > separate object records.  They are real byte-stream files.  9 Interesting. Checked this out on HP's test drive cluster:    TD184::DJESYS$ dir/fu ppf.obj    Directory USER1:[DJESYS]  > PPF.OBJ;1                     File ID:  (209766,52,0)         0 Size:           62/69         Owner:    [DJESYS]# Created:    17-FEB-2005 10:29:14.28 ' Revised:    17-FEB-2005 10:29:16.27 (1)  Expires:    <None specified>  Backup:     <No backup recorded> Effective:  <None specified> Recording:  <None specified> Accessed:   <None specified> Attributes: <None specified> Modified:   <None specified>
 Linkcount:  1  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online    Caching attribute:  WritethroughE File attributes:    Allocation: 69, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0 $                     No version limitA Record format:      Undefined, maximum 512 bytes, longest 0 bytes  Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 62/69 blocks.   TD184 is an I64 node.   K I set the file's record format and LRL to mimic a Fixed-512 and invoked the M LINKer to see what would happen. It accepted the object file(s) just fine and  produced a working executable.  J So, indeed, I64 .OBJ files can (for now, at least) be FTP-ed as binary and survive.  C I'd likely still go with .OLBs, where possible, but that's just me.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 12:19:21 -0700 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> ; Subject: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? C Message-ID: <1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   7 I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:58:50 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? 0 Message-ID: <12iaovte5muvs8b@news.supernews.com>  " Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz = EV6 Chip# Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz = EV67 Chip    Same goes for the DS10L    David    --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   2 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message= news:1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 9 > I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 13:02:04 -0700 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? C Message-ID: <1160078524.718734.131160@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   0 So I guess I can assume that 6 is later than 56?   Thanks!     # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: $ > Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz = EV6 Chip% > Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz = EV67 Chip  >  > Same goes for the DS10L  >  > David  >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > 4 > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message? > news:1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... ; > > I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades.  > >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:07:31 -0400< From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? 0 Message-ID: <12iapg8d5jc9be7@news.supernews.com>   Yes      --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   2 "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message= news:1160078524.718734.131160@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... 2 > So I guess I can assume that 6 is later than 56? > 	 > Thanks!  >  > % > Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: & > > Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz = EV6 Chip' > > Alphaserver DS10 617Mhz = EV67 Chip  > >  > > Same goes for the DS10L  > > 	 > > David  > >  > > -- > >  > > David B Turner > > Island Computers US Corp > > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > > Savannah GA 31404  > > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > > Fax: 912 201 0402   > > Email: dbturner@islandco.com  > > Web: http://www.islandco.com) > > ===================================== @ > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions2 > > of sale. These should be read before ordering.) > > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > > 6 > > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in messageA > > news:1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... = > > > I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades.  > > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:29:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> N Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST, Message-ID: <4525A380.64306E52@teksavvy.com>  % "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: N > I only got about 3 hours sleep last night.. some weird dream with Demi Moore) > in Army Gear and Jumping out of a C-130   D Was she naked with bodypaint to make it appear she was in a business suit ?   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:26:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> N Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST, Message-ID: <4525A2C2.16C3C832@teksavvy.com>  % "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: C > 1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October   J > It is also not valid to anyone that had already won a system in the past > couple of months.   F Damm ! This is *totally* unfair.  When one wins at the lottery, one is6 not forbidden to buy tickets for the next week's draw.  + :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-) :-)       @ If I won in september, does this mean I can again participate in november ? :-) :-) ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:27:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax, Message-ID: <4525A308.D7C80C22@teksavvy.com>  E Read through the patches for VAX 7.3. There is one (I think the "SYS" = one which mentions that the WBM thing is fixed by that patch.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:28:53 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> , Subject: Re: Excessive IO on my emulated vax- Message-ID: <FbjVg.95511$5R2.76633@pd7urf3no>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4525A308.D7C80C22@teksavvy.com...G > Read through the patches for VAX 7.3. There is one (I think the "SYS" > > one which mentions that the WBM thing is fixed by that patch  L I looked, and the delay location doesn't match the patch.  It talks about a 0 delay before the WBM thing, mine is afterwards..  A Having said that -I should probably patch the thing up to date...    Villy.     ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 19:35:09 -0700 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time BehaviourA Message-ID: <1160102109.515050.58140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    fyi... from the listings...   - CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY  ;	X-2	ROP0093    15-May-1986* ;		Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string. ;		output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will ;		now be valid input.   Hein.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:07:34 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> / Subject: Re: Long startup times with lots of IO - Message-ID: <GTiVg.95399$5R2.49132@pd7urf3no>   6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 6 news:0i7Vg.85456$wg.19355@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > Villy Madsen wrote:  >> Greetings all...  >>M >> Can someone tells me what might cause a long delay with lots of IO on the  J >> virtual machine (I'm running SIMH on a W/XP Sp2 1.5ghz 1gb P4) between , >> the following two messages during startup >>I >> %WBM-I-WBMINFO Write Bitmap has successfully completed initialization.  >>E >> %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at  4-OCT-2006 20:08:04.26  >>C >> This is not an always occurrence, but it seems to happen fairly  K >> frequently. I don't ever remember it happening on my W98/SE box., but I  M >> could be mistaken.  When it does happen, the IO byte count is high enough  J >> that it appears to be scanning the entire system pack - a RA92 virtual  >> disk. > G > Are you by any chance running with the VMS virtual disk as a Windows  L > compressed file? Saves a lot of space but I frequently saw huge delays in 3 > startup when I had Windows compression turned on.  >  >  >  > --   > Alan Greig  	 Well Alan   & sounded like you had it - I was hoping   alas  ; no....  doesn't appear to be symantec anti-virus either....    Villy    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:37:21 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities0 Message-ID: <87wt7epn9q.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  5 "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:   ? > I'm pretty sure you're right.  ISTR that the rule is that two B > "adjacent" VMS versions are supported for the purpose of rollingB > upgrades only. That means that you can have V7.1 and V7.2 in the% > same cluster but not V6.2 and V7.1.   7 > Other configurations may WORK but you're on your own!   = And the latest version of VMS for Vax and Alpha are? Up until = now you COULD run both machines at the same version, modulo a  few odd cases and sort periods.   > hps message to vaxs is simple. Alpha to follow in a few weeks.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:02:30 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities9 Message-ID: <ML6dnUxPb_vITrjYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Ok, some more information: > T > on Alpha 8.3: HELP MONITOR CLUSTER and then Topic> MONITOR includes the following: >  > F >      To begin monitoring a system, issue the Monitor utility MONITOR >      command.  > * >                                     NOTE > 9 >         If you attempt to monitor a remote node that is B >         incompatible, the system displays the following message: > R >         %MONITOR-E-SRVMISMATCH, MONITOR server on remote node is an incompatible) >                                 version  > > >         If you receive this message, contact your HP support> >         representative for a remedial kit that corrects this >         problem. > @ >         Before you install the remedial kit, you can still useC >         MONITOR to obtain data about the remote node. To do this, F >         record the data on the remote node, and then run the MONITORA >         playback feature to examine the data on the local node.  >  >  > -------------------------- >  > J > So, someone at HP knew that Monitor has bugs and contrary to the SPD, isC > not compatible with VAX-VMS 7.3, and VAX-VMS 7.3's monitor is not F > compatible with Alpha 8.3. They had time to include this note hiddenE > deep into a HELP file, but no information on the patch/patches that  > supposedly fix the problem.  > J > Does anyone know if the patches are forthcoming ? I assume there will be" > patches for both vax and alpha ?  G There has probably been incompatible changes in newer versions of VMS.  I I'm just guessing here.  Since there have not been any new VAX releases,  D there is no way it could remain compatible with the newer versions, G unless those newer versions were implemented to work with both old and  G new protocols.  I would have chosen such an alternative.  However, the  H theme seems to be that most VAX users are still on V5.5-2 and such, and I don't have Alphas or itanics.  In such a case, you prepare a new version  E for VAX, and distribute it to only those who ask for it.  VAX/VMS is  
 sinking fast.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 05 Oct 2006 19:53:06 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London). Message-ID: <mddfye2pbfh.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  ' "JP" <J.Pelan@gatsby.ucl.ac.uk> writes:   G > I have a very large pile of OpenVMS media kits available at a site in G > central London. Please e-mail me if you are interested in taking them C > away. No licenses included, I'm afraid, but plenty of OS, product H > library and documentation kits of the 7.2/7.3 vintage, I believe. MostE > are still in their wrappers! You can have them for free if you take * > them *all* away (or arrange collection).  3 > Incidently, there's a similar pile of Tru64 kits.   N I can probably arrange collection, with a bit more information.  The collectorL would be coming from Holland Park; how far/difficult is that from the pickupK site?  How much will there be to pick up?  A 1.5cu.ft. box or two?  A small  lorry?  N I'm on the west coast of the U.S., but work for an international firm, so this is not a problem.    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:54:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Page terminology (SYSGEN, Authorize) , Message-ID: <4525E17B.DF5D6384@teksavvy.com>  E On good old VAXes, 1 page = 512bytes. This unit was common throughout . VMS in both SHOW MEMORY, SYSGEN and AUTHORIZE.  G On ALPHA (and I assume that IA64 thing), a page is generally 8192 , but E could be up to 64k. The concept of a "pagelet" was introduced whith a  pagelet = 512 bytes.  G However, in both SYSGEN and AUTHORIZE, the terminology used for process  quotas is "pages".  , for instance: Authorise HELP MOD /WSDEFAULT:@     Specifies the default working set limit. This represents theB      initial limit to the number of physical pages the process canE      use. (The user can alter the default quantity up to WSQUOTA with A      the DCL command SET WORKING_SET.) By default, a user has 256 E      pages on VAX systems and 4096 pagelets on Alpha and I64 systems.       H So, it starts off using the term "pages" and then pagelets. Which one is actually used ?      SYSGEN>  HELP SYS WSMAX    Sys_Parameters     WSMAX   G        WSMAX sets the maximum number of pages on a systemwide basis for E        any working set. WSMAX is calculated as a quarter of the first     A In SYSGEN at least, SHOW WSMAX will display both pagelet and page F equivalent values. But in AUTHORIZE, there is no such clear display of what units are being used.    E If "PAGES" are actually used in AUTHORIZE, it would mean that VAX UAF H definitions would in fact give an 16 fold increase in working set quotas when used on a current Alpha.   F I *assume* that on alpha, all UAF definitions are really using pageletF units to remain standard with VAX. But the documentation should really# be updated to remove any confusion.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:49:04 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> . Subject: Re: PPPOE (ADSL router) on VMS 5.5-2H0 Message-ID: <4525B610.C72C2748@spam.comcast.net>   Zibri wrote: > 2 > How to setup a PPPOE connection on VMS 5.5-2H ?! > Can I do it with multinet ? ! > Do I need something else/more ?   F As Rich pointed out, there currently is no PPPoE software for OpenVMS.  H Your best bet is to get your router to do that for you, then let the VMSE machine talk to the 'net via the router. Use NAT as needed to address < the nodes inside your home/office LAN, but you know that...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:48:15 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: RC25 0 Message-ID: <87sli2pmrk.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  . Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:   > Carl Friedberg wrote:   G >> I was lucky; I bought mine (with the R80) before some genius came up  >> with the 725 configuration.  F >    I don't recall the VAX-11/725 being available with the IDC -- theC > official translation was the Integrated Disk Controller IIRC, but E > there was another translation of that acronym in equally common use D > -- and the R80, that was the VAX-11/730.  The VAX-11/725 was (as I> > was told by the DIGITAL folks at the time, back when I was aD > customer for the first time) a product that was positioned pending, > the availability of the MicroVAX I series.  B The uV-I and the 725 apeared at the same time. Hum, the I may have> still been a `un-named prototype' with a seahorse on the BA23.  < >    I don't particularly recall the RC25 Aztec RQC25 series >    controller off-hand.   ) It is the KLESI, same as used for a TK70.   A >    The VAX-11/725 was an early (and really heavy) pedestal, and ? > obviously almost completely derived from the VAX-11/730.  The E > VAX-11/730 was the rack-mount variant -- the latter was how the R80 @ > was mounted, as it was way bigger than the pedestal.  (NothingA > precluded you from cabling from the Unibus to most anything you F > wanted, well, other than EMI and such risks from the cabling hanging" > out in the breeze, obviviously.)  D I played with a 730 prototype, built into a 44 box with a UDA-50 andH and RA. It was no speed deamon, but it was WAY better than the slug that a production 730 was.   B >    Once the MicroVAX boxes appeared, these two boxes disappeared >    pretty quickly.   Once the II came out anyway.  E >> That was a real joke, especially when combined with the high-speed D >> TU58 radial-serial protocol loader. I believe the same tape drive  >> was the loader for the HSC70.  ? >    There are various widgets that used the TU58.  There was a > > VT-series terminal around that had two drives just below theE > display.  (Yes, I know which one; I actually encountered a stack of , > them in the basement of the Maynard Mill.)  A I always wondered why the didn't give failedcircus a lugable with C diags and a TU-58 emulator. Plug into serial line and boot. As much  `tape' as you care to pay for.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:26:27 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com " Subject: Re: Sydney Rdb Tech Forum0 Message-ID: <87odsqpkzw.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  - "Dr. Dweeb" <comp.os.vms@hotmail.com> writes:    > Richard Maher wrote:  D >> PS. The weather was *much* better than Perth I am ashamed to say.  B > A disturbance in the Force? Global warming?  El Nino? or perhaps3 > just Sydney being nice to guests from the west :)   B No, show week. It ALWAYS rains during the show, it is an essential2 part of the great dust/mud/dust cycle of creation.  4 And to rub it in, next week they are forcasting 31C.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:00:00 -0400 From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>' Subject: Re: TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? , Message-ID: <452501d3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4524C496.DCCDE581@teksavvy.com... > OK, now I am "legal".  > 
 > VAX VMS 7.3  > Alpha VMS 8.3  > F > On the VAXes, I not only see the Alpha's disk device, but I can also > mount them ! Neat. > 8 > However, the Alpha still does not see the tape device. > C > $4$dia0 is on one DSSI bus accessed by VELO ($3$) and Wheel ($5$)  > ; > (velo has a second DSSI bus and the drives there are $3$)  >  >  > Both VELO and WHEEL have:  > " > MSCP_LOAD = 1 MSCP_SERVE_ALL = 1$ > TMSCP_LOAD = 1 TMSCP_SERVE_ALL = 1 > < > Both see the device $4$mia0. Each has a direct path to it. >  > H > However, the other vax and alpha , both connected via ethernet, do notH > see that device at all.  The ALPHA was rebooted with TMSCP_LOAD set to > 1. > J > I can't garantee that the other VAX has TMSCP_LOAD active. (USE ACTIVE ;I > SHOW TMSCP_LOAD says "1", but not usre if I set it manually recently or 4 > if it was really there when the node last booted). > I > Are there other SYSGEN parameters that are involved in deciding whether ) > a VAX publishes a tape device it sees ?  > ; > Or am I faced with something which VMS simply cannot do ?  > G > Or do nodes only serve tape drives that are owned locally (aka: not a = > shared DSSI and a device with same alloclass as the node) ?  > J > Based on the doc I saw, the TMSCL_SERVE_ALL should serve all tape drives > visible to that node.    Is TAPE_ALLOCLASS set to 4?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:04:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: TMSCP: VAX serving tapes ? , Message-ID: <4525AB7F.6F3BB76C@teksavvy.com>   Jilly wrote: > Is TAPE_ALLOCLASS set to 4?   G Many thanks. Didn't know this parameter existed (SYSGEN> SHOW TAP* only  shows one  TAPE parameter)   It was set to 0.  G So I set it to the same alloclass as the node itself (5 in that case).  N Rebooted that node, and magically, that node started serving that tape device.  H aka: if the node's TAPE_ALLOCLASS is set to 0, then it doesn't appear toB serve any tapes. If the TAPE_ALLOCLASS is non-zero, it then servesG available tape devices even if they do not match that node's alloclass.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:38:19 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> Subject: Re: USB hampster & Message-ID: <4525428E.861E5E03@hp.com>  F    If the system has a PCI bus and open slots it should work.  I have B not tested all the Alpha boxes with PCI slots so I cannot promise % but I am fairly certain it will work.        Forrest    Paul Sture wrote:  > ( > In article <4525286B.50BD4C44@hp.com>,0 >  Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> wrote: > C > >       As I have said before the built in USB controllers on the H > > DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible toE > > the O.S.  So unless you have a box with older firmware that shows 4 > > a USB controller in the output from clue/config. > > D > >       If have an open PCI slot the best answer is an add in card > > using the NEC USB chip set.  > >  > F > That has awoken my curiosity. Would such a card work in a PWS 600au? >  > -- > Paul Sture   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:02:55 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: USB hampster 2 Message-ID: <06100513025484_2020028F@antinode.org>  / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>   0 >  Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> wrote: > > > > 	As I have said before the built in USB controllers on theI > > DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible to  F > > the O.S.  So unless you have a box with older firmware that shows 4 > > a USB controller in the output from clue/config. > > ? > > 	If have an open PCI slot the best answer is an add in card  > > using the NEC USB chip set.  > F > That has awoken my curiosity. Would such a card work in a PWS 600au?  @    For about $10, you can find out for sure.  Search on Ebay for something like:          pci card usb nec  6 It worked for me (in my XP1000).  What could go wrong?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:01:47 +01005 From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVE-THIS@hivemind.org>  Subject: Re: USB hampster 7 Message-ID: <4525569d$0$624$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>    Forrest Kenney wrote: ; > As I have said before the built in USB controllers on the   > DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  M (this post is a thinkaloud, but any pointers to manuals or ideas are welcome  I ;-) - and motivated by reading about the work done on USB, so thanks for   that!)  K Does this mean VMS uses the firmware's enumeration of PCI devices, or only  K those devices to which certain resources - I saw a post briefly mentioning  J DMA - have been allocated by it? A post from 1998ish suggests it does its C own enumeration (in a discussion of its using breadth- rather than  F depth-first). Or, recalling PC chipset documentation, it is sometimes L possible to hide a device's configuration space in software - the effect is F to prevent PCI IDSEL assertion; maybe the DS10L's chipset has similar L ability exploited by the firmware. Or maybe the controller been put to some # sort of sleep before VMS is booted.   L Curiosity would demand I boot e.g. Linux, NetBSD and find out what it sees, L though it'll be a fortnight before I can play with my shiny new DS10L again K :/. I guess the question is, "Can it be unhidden?" and it'd be a matter of  G executing the appropriate code sufficiently early, assuming there's no  I generalised AUTOCONFIGURE ALL which rescans the whole PCI bus on Alphas.  D Even if the answer is "no, no way," it'd be interesting to know why.   Cheers,    --  ! Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.org    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:40:54 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)  Subject: Re: USB hampster ( Message-ID: <eg4c76$8m7$1@pcls4.std.com>  7 "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVE-THIS@hivemind.org> writes:   M >Curiosity would demand I boot e.g. Linux, NetBSD and find out what it sees,  M >though it'll be a fortnight before I can play with my shiny new DS10L again  L >:/. I guess the question is, "Can it be unhidden?" and it'd be a matter of H >executing the appropriate code sufficiently early, assuming there's no J >generalised AUTOCONFIGURE ALL which rescans the whole PCI bus on Alphas. E >Even if the answer is "no, no way," it'd be interesting to know why.   G I'm a little curious as to what went so horribly wrong that instead of  G simply saying 'Nope, sorry, it doesn't work right so any attempt to use C it is unsupported', they went through the effort to hide it in the  F firmware.  And why they didn't ECO it to just remove the USB chip and < associated hardware (that would save a few cents per board).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:10:26 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: USB hampster 9 Message-ID: <pKOdnXbrSOOtSLjYnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Forrest Kenney wrote: D >>         As I have said before the built in USB controllers on theG >> DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible to  >> the O.S.  >  > I > Why was this done ?  Could the USB port be enabled with some magic or a H > patch to the firmware, or or the actual USB hardware  so disdunctional6 > that it was a mistake to put it on the motherboard ?  C Best guess is that it's functional under the ARC BIOS.  Windows on  5 Alpha.  Dead product, but there could still be users.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 13:17:58 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?3 Message-ID: <A9$+ZWQY9AW3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <45255485$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: g > In article <44203002$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: e >>In article <44201dc1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: G >>>On the other side, I just noticed that V8 CHECKSUM has problems with , >>>DDIF files (files with STORED_SEMANTICS): >>L >>Not only with DDIF files, but also with some other files ("write locked").M >>It seems, V8 CHECKSUM does not open the file read-only/shared. Is this so ?  > N > Browsing the sources it seems that the old CHECKSUM.EXE was written in BLISSN > and opening its files with RMS and therefor correctly, while the new with V8N > I64_CHECKSUM.EXE (funny name for an Alpha image ;-) is written in C and openO > its files with fopen ("rb" and "ctx=stm") which obviously does it not correct O > in all cases - like mentioned DDIF files (btw. how often have I seen problems O > with [umpteen MB] logfiles which can no longer be TYPE/TAILed or even read at K > all after "upgrading" the application program to "c" - how/when will they M > learn to open VMS files in/with C correctly - it's a shame, not even HP...)  > N >>Could we please have a fixed CHECKSUM.EXE via ECO (for V8.2 but also V7.3-2) >  > and of course for V8.3 too >  > Still hoping  A I believe CHECKSUM.EXE has never been a supported feature of VMS.  --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 20:29:15 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?, Message-ID: <45256b1b$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <A9$+ZWQY9AW3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: f >In article <45255485$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:O >>>Could we please have a fixed CHECKSUM.EXE via ECO (for V8.2 but also V7.3-2)  >>   >> and of course for V8.3 too  >>   >> Still hoping  > B >I believe CHECKSUM.EXE has never been a supported feature of VMS.  H It wasn't documented/supported with V7.3-2 (but I still hope for version? for V7.3-2 too) but it is documented/supported since OpenVMS V8   C And maybe a new version will get a /ALGORITHM=SHA1 (and others) too    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:10:48 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> * Subject: Re: [CHECKSUM] Support for DDIF ?J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-ECA214.21104805102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <A9$+ZWQY9AW3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, /  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:   C > I believe CHECKSUM.EXE has never been a supported feature of VMS.   G Not until recently. It is now documented in the OpenVMS DCL Dictionary   (July 2006 version).   --  
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