1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 06 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 549       Contents:+ Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"  Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100# Alpha powered Logo for login screen ' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen ' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen ' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen , Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour 4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week" Re: latest INQ story on hp support% Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file  Re: Reason for not deleting file Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons? 1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons? 1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons? 1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:49:06 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"< Message-ID: <6hsVg.92272$wg.22383@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Main, Kerry wrote:  0 >> That's quoting Martin Banks, not Don Jenkins.0 >> Didn't Don tell him it's called "HP OpenVMS?" > C > Sigh ... Its always amusing to see those "IT rookies" (like media G > reporters/analysts who have never spent any time in a DC environment) D > use the term "legacy" to describe what they do not understand in aG > condescending and/or derogatory manner in such a way as to imply that ? > the platforms they are familiar with are in some way better.    E Martin Banks is one of the longest serving UK IT journalists around.  7 I've still got his review of the DEC Rainbow somewhere.   . http://www.presshere.com/html/martin_banks.htm   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:55:02 +0200 ) From: "gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it> ' Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 8 Message-ID: <pan.2006.10.06.07.55.02.57215@decadence.it>  8 Il Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:16:05 -0700, mcbill20 ha scritto:G > Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I H > only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months duringI > a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works 5 > great, although more storage options would be nice.    Hello   4 I also had a problem with memory vanishing from PWS.H I found that a bank of 512MB was failing and it took a long time to make power on self test. D I cleaned both the sockets and the memory modules, and I swapped the@ faulty modules with others but still had the 512MB failing bank.G So I replaced the bank with others spare DIMMs and it worked again like  new.5 The bad memory works fine when tested on a PC system. 7 Very sad that memory goes bad this way, without reason. H I should say that the PWS is really very selective about memory modules!  G About the AS4100, I could tell you I have two at home (a bit heavy, but J I took them up to the stairs by myself, only without the power supplyies).J One is broken, the other has 4x466MHz 4MB and runs very fast on heavy duty) tasks (like compiling software for hours) . It has 2 power supplyies, so it is about 900W.@ It uses power like it is expected to be for a 900W power supply.# Not so expensive, not really cheap.    Bye  gl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:34:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Alpha powered Logo for login screen, Message-ID: <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>  H Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s, I figured it was time$ to start some Alpha related artwork.  E First order of business was to change the logo on the login screen... H The Alpha logo is better suited than that of whatever company happens to own VMS this week.  - http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/index.html   @ This is still a work in progress. This one has black background.  ? I've tested it on Alpha 8.3 targetted on a MAC with a primitive H X-terminal software and it seems to work. Comments on how to improve it,? or problem reports are welcomed. jfmezei  vaxination period ca       D This logo is quite hard to generate in small (thumbnail and smaller)F sizes due to the detail required. Also, for some reason, the lettering. doesn't come out well in transparent images.    < Over time, I intend to build up this page with more content.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 04:19:20 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screenC Message-ID: <1160133560.328310.319010@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ >From my own experience, the logos on the motif login screen areG actually quite coarse and have no fine detail on them.  The one at home E is a DIGITAL logo rather than the CPQ one which motif put in to begin  with...    Steve    JF Mezei wrote: J > Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s, I figured it was time& > to start some Alpha related artwork. > G > First order of business was to change the logo on the login screen... J > The Alpha logo is better suited than that of whatever company happens to > own VMS this week. > / > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/index.html  > B > This is still a work in progress. This one has black background. > A > I've tested it on Alpha 8.3 targetted on a MAC with a primitive J > X-terminal software and it seems to work. Comments on how to improve it,C > or problem reports are welcomed. jfmezei =E0 vaxination period ca  >  >  > F > This logo is quite hard to generate in small (thumbnail and smaller)H > sizes due to the detail required. Also, for some reason, the lettering. > doesn't come out well in transparent images. >=20> > Over time, I intend to build up this page with more content.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:24:49 +0000 (UTC)0 From: m.kraemer@biors6a.gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen5 Message-ID: <eg5ee1$ma0$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   5 In article <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:5 > Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s,    6 so may we assume you will use "x86" rather than "8086" from now on ?    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 05:25:06 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screenA Message-ID: <1160137506.827593.49090@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   % You're being VERY optimistic Michael!    Michael Kraemer wrote:7 > In article <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:6 > > Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s, > 8 > so may we assume you will use "x86" rather than "8086" > from now on ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:26:38 +0100 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 5 Subject: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? 3 Message-ID: <eg5sjf$as$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   : One of my customers is going to have a complete power-down? in the near future (total replacement of the air-conditioning).   : Yesterday, while on-site, I managed to grab a SHOW CLUSTER> snapshot;  note the cluster has been up (and is fairly heavily used) for nearly 6 years.   ; Ah well, just showing off ... pity about the power-down :-(   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.    ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? |             SYSTEMS             |          MEMBERS          | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? |        HW_TYPE       | SOFTWARE |  STATUS | TRANSITION_TIME | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? | VAX 4000-700A        | VMS V6.2 | MEMBER  | 17-MAY-06 13:55 | ? | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | ? | HSD3                 | HSD V32D |         |                 | ? | VAXstation 4000-60   | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 22-JUN-06 15:05 | ? | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | ? | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | ? | VAXstation 4000-90A  | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 26-NOV-05 10:30 | ? | VAXstation 4000-90   | VMS V6.2 | MEMBER  | 26-NOV-05 10:28 | ? | VAX 4000-700A        | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 17-MAY-06 13:56 | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+    +-----------------+  |     CLUSTER     |  +-----------------+  |      FORMED     |  +-----------------+  | 21-OCT-00 12:09 |  +-----------------+    $ sh sys/clu/noproc D OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.88  Uptime  105 01:53:49D OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.90  Uptime  313 06:31:17D OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.92  Uptime  313 06:29:20D OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.93  Uptime  141 03:00:28D OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.95  Uptime  141 03:03:21   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 08:45:18 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? B Message-ID: <1160149518.165106.22820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  C as far as I know the current up time record is held by a cluster at  WVNET with over 10 years.    See 9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/01/08/4531954    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 09:04:29 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com 9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? A Message-ID: <1160150669.308989.97240@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    > $ sh sys/clu/noproc F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.88  Uptime  105 01:53:49F > OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.90  Uptime  313 06:31:17F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.92  Uptime  313 06:29:20F > OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.93  Uptime  141 03:00:28F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.95  Uptime  141 03:03:21  G Quick!  Get a *BIG* UPS for one of the workstations, and leave it up... A  You only need one node to stay to keep from having to reform the  cluster!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:23:03 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks : Message-ID: <MaednQNhcqpa-7vYnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Steven M. Schweda wrote: > * >> From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> >>6 >>>>>> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:/ >>>>>> With (the latest version of) CSWB, [...]  >>>>> * >>>>> Just a WAG, I don't use the product. >>>>J >>>>    Why not?  On an EV6 system, it's not actually torture.  (At least  >>>> not6 >>>> by the currently evolving definition of torture.) >>> C >>> My only working Alphas are AlphaStation 200 4/233 systems, EV4.  >> >>K >>    Ah.  As I recall, with my AlpSta 200 4/233 (768MB memory), it usually E >> felt as if I were drowning.  (But it feels so good when you stop.)  >>H >>    I still try to use Netscape 3 for as much as possible, but it just( >> can't cope with more and more places. >>4 >>    Perhaps you should be shopping for newer junk. >  > H > Our good friend David Turner has just shipped me a DS10L system.  But I > I'll most likely be using it in a server mode.  I've got some Athlon64  E > systems I've assembled that are adequate for e-mail, browsing, etc.  >   G How did you get 768MB memory in the Alphastation 200 4/233?  I thought   it maxed out at 96 MB!!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:18:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 9 Message-ID: <9PGdnUGhxLd6ELvYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> Steven M. Schweda wrote:  >>+ >>> From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  >>> 7 >>>>>>> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 0 >>>>>>> With (the latest version of) CSWB, [...] >>>>>>+ >>>>>> Just a WAG, I don't use the product.  >>>>> E >>>>>    Why not?  On an EV6 system, it's not actually torture.  (At   >>>>> least not 7 >>>>> by the currently evolving definition of torture.)  >>>>D >>>> My only working Alphas are AlphaStation 200 4/233 systems, EV4. >>>  >>> L >>>    Ah.  As I recall, with my AlpSta 200 4/233 (768MB memory), it usuallyF >>> felt as if I were drowning.  (But it feels so good when you stop.) >>> I >>>    I still try to use Netscape 3 for as much as possible, but it just ) >>> can't cope with more and more places.  >>> 5 >>>    Perhaps you should be shopping for newer junk.  >> >>I >> Our good friend David Turner has just shipped me a DS10L system.  But  J >> I'll most likely be using it in a server mode.  I've got some Athlon64 F >> systems I've assembled that are adequate for e-mail, browsing, etc. >> > I > How did you get 768MB memory in the Alphastation 200 4/233?  I thought   > it maxed out at 96 MB!!   A By the attributes, you're asking me.  It's Steven that made that  7 statement, 768 MB.  But I'll attempt part of an answer.   F The AlphaStation 200 4/233 has 6 recepticles for SIMMs.  They must be G used in pairs, bank 0, bank 1, and bank 2 I believe.  The system takes  F fast page parity SIMMs, and I've used sizes from 4 MB SIMMs to 128 MB ? SIMMs.  I don't think the SIMMs usable in the system ever were  E manufactured in larger sizes than 128 MB.  Three pairs of the 128 MB  G SIMMs would give you the 768 MB I believe, if I can still add properly.   F As for any maximum, I've never experienced any cut-off.  Possibly the C systems and options has a lower maximum, since when the system was  D introduced, I don't believe SIMMs were being manufacturer at 128 MB.  F I think the most memory I have in such a system is 384 MB, and for my 0 uses, I never come near to using all the memory.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:57:20 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-3EF0D9.12572006102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  , In article <45264222$1@news.langstoeger.at>,8  peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  F > In article <1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, + > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes: : > >I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades. >  > Yes. > L > You can check this yourself with F$GETSYI("CPUTYPE") >= 8 where values are >  > 	 2	21064 " > 	 4	21066, 21068, 21066A, 21068A > 	 5	21164  > 	 6	21064A > 	 7	21164A > 	 8	21264  > 	11	21264A > 	12	21264C > 	13	21264B > 	14	21264D > 	15	21364  > 	16	21364  > 	 .  > 	 .  > 	 .  > 	31	Itanium 2  > 	32	Itanium 3  > % > and of course with SDA> CLUE CONFIG   ! Is the value for 5 above correct?   B On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 17:17:05 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? , Message-ID: <45268f91$1@news.langstoeger.at>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-3EF0D9.12572006102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:- >In article <45264222$1@news.langstoeger.at>, 9 > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  > G >> In article <1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  , >> "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes:; >> >I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades.  >>   >> Yes.  >>  M >> You can check this yourself with F$GETSYI("CPUTYPE") >= 8 where values are  >>   >> 	 2	21064# >> 	 4	21066, 21068, 21066A, 21068A  >> 	 5	21164
 >> 	 6	21064A 
 >> 	 7	21164A  >> 	 8	21264
 >> 	11	21264A 
 >> 	12	21264C 
 >> 	13	21264B 
 >> 	14	21264D  >> 	15	21364 >> 	16	21364 >> 	 . >> 	 . >> 	 . >> 	31	Itanium 2 >> 	32	Itanium 3 >>  & >> and of course with SDA> CLUE CONFIG > " >Is the value for 5 above correct?  F I don't know. But this is what's in the doc (at least since V7.mumble)+ Probably a mail to openvmsdoc could help...   G I found it strange too, as there are missing numbers, there is no speed E progress in the list (means 21064A after 21164) and duplicate entries G (15 and 16 for the 21364) as well (or should be the 16 for the EV7z and J is this really called 364 without the A?). But as long as it is documentedC and all use the same doc of course, the order in the list should be  irrelevant.   C >On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG  >shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A)    Same on my PWS433au    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:27:57 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? * Message-ID: <452667ed@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Paul Sture wrote:   # > Is the value for 5 above correct?  > D > On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG  > shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A)  O    Pick off a copy of the Alpha microprocessor identification tool over in the  O left nav of the old Ask The Wizard site (or on the Freeware distro), build and  K run that, and post the results.  Also try a SHOW CPU/FULL command, if your  * OpenVMS version has that, and post the id.  N    I know where I'd assume the error lurks give the differences between these N two sources, but I'll refrain from comment pending additional confirming data.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:14:53 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> * Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time BehaviourI Message-ID: <8660a3a10610060414h4b37c468qfa38499b130cde35@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_118786_3122007.1160133293575 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   7 On 5 Oct 2006 19:35:09 -0700, Hein RMS van den Heuvel < " heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> wrote: >  > fyi... from the listings...  > / > CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY ( > ;       X-2     ROP0093    15-May-19869 > ;               Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string = > ;               output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will % > ;               now be valid input.  >  > Hein.  >  > & Observation on the comment from source2 (and this isn't directed at you personally, Hein).   it's string?  9 Why does it appear to me that most engineers can't spell?   1 And why can't programmers use proper punctuation?   8 Considering that their continued employment is dependent; upon the precise use of syntax, this is even more puzzling!    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_118786_3122007.1160133293575 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   ^<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5 Oct 2006 19:35:09 -0700, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hein RMS van den Heuvel</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com">heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">fyi... from the listings...<br><br>CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY<br>;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; X-2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ROP0093&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15-May-1986<br>;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string<br>;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; output as input.&nbsp;&nbsp;DD&lt;BLANK&gt;HH:MM:USS.SS will<br>;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; now be valid input.<br><br>Hein.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>Observation on the comment from source <br>(and this isn't directed at you personally, Hein).<br><br>it's string?<br><br>Why does it appear to me that most engineers can't spell?  <br><br>And why can't programmers use proper punctuation? <br><br>Considering that their continued employment is dependent <br>upon the precise use of syntax, this is even more puzzling!<br><br>WWWebb<br>-- <br>Ajilon Consultingu <br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_118786_3122007.1160133293575--    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 07:50:00 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour3 Message-ID: <0xw6q0DU$EE8@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <1160102109.515050.58140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: > fyi... from the listings...  > / > CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY  > ;	X-2	ROP0093    15-May-1986, > ;		Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string0 > ;		output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will > ;		now be valid input.   That comment is incorrect.  8 HH<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS is what is accepted as valid input.  " Somebody really screwed the pooch.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 17:21:04 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour, Message-ID: <45269080$1@news.langstoeger.at>  T In article <0xw6q0DU$EE8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >In article <1160102109.515050.58140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes:  >> fyi... from the listings... >>  0 >> CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY >> ;	X-2	ROP0093    15-May-1986 - >> ;		Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string 1 >> ;		output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will  >> ;		now be valid input.  >  >That comment is incorrect.    Why?  9 >HH<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS is what is accepted as valid input.    Since 1986?   # >Somebody really screwed the pooch.    Who?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 11:21:40 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org* Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour3 Message-ID: <YXKAkw4HCZqW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <45269080$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: V > In article <0xw6q0DU$EE8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >>In article <1160102109.515050.58140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: >>> fyi... from the listings...  >>> 1 >>> CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY   >>> ;	X-2	ROP0093    15-May-1986. >>> ;		Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string2 >>> ;		output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will >>> ;		now be valid input. >> >>That comment is incorrect. >  > Why?  : Because it does not match the actual behavior of the code.   : >>HH<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS is what is accepted as valid input. > 
 > Since 1986?   B OK.  If you wish to argue that the comment might have been correct> when written and that some subsequent change has perverted the@ actual behavior so that the original comment is not incorrect asE pertains to the then-current code base but is merely irrelevant today D as pertains to the now-current code base then then I must admit that you have a valid point.   @ The comment might not be incorrect and might instead simply fail$ to reflect what the code does today.  $ >>Somebody really screwed the pooch. >  > Who?   I don't know.  Why do you ask?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:29:31 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> = Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week ; Message-ID: <45263e0a$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   6 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  > 
 [.snip...]   > M > You're only *now* 'getting tired' of this?  I guess that's a start, but it  G > does make me worry about how much more time will likely have to pass  H > before a sufficient percentage of the population reaches the level of K > discontent required to impel it to take some actual, effective action to   > eliminate it.  > A > My own tipping points came in 2001, with the Alphacide and its  L > accompanying corporate treachery and lies followed in quick succession by M > the blatant exploitation of 9/11 by the neocons to put in place aggressive  L > and suppressive policies they had been pushing for a decade or more.  But J > we've hardly lacked for additional motivation since then, with periodic G > outbreaks of even more egregious corporate misbehavior and continual  F > attacks on the integrity of our legal and financial systems, social M > programs, civil liberties, long-standing and carefully-built international  M > institutions and cooperation, and, of course, anything remotely resembling  F > truth, let alone integrity, in government (the majority of national I > Democrats being nearly as culpable as Republicans in this regard, so a  G > simple change in party rule should it occur won't necessarily change   > matters all that much).  >   K I've only got one comment to add to this: George Orwell would be very much  M at home with all the political newspeak and propaganda. Look at what's going  J on right now with the current conflict in Iraq. It's going very badly yet I the Bush administration, as well as most Republican politicians, say the  J opposite "AND EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE MEDIA, JUST ACCEPT IT". (Eurasia is . the enemy. Eurasia has always been the enemy).  K p.s. For some reason I don't understand, the current Conservative Canadian  8 government is now starting to sound somewhat "Bush like"  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 07:33:21 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: latest INQ story on hp support 3 Message-ID: <m1YblIpobv0n@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <4523d81b$0$5899$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:   L > Hey hold on a minute. There's no such thing as Vulcan wine. Maybe you are " > referring to Klingon Blood Wine?  D    I know it's not as popular as Romulan Ale, or Klingon Blood Wine,F    but for an advanced civilization to leave the fermenting or brewing)    of beverages to others is not logical.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:42:27 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> . Subject: Re: MONITOR CLUSTER incompatibilities: Message-ID: <45idnd1y0fPJ9rvYnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  7 > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  >  > ? >>I'm pretty sure you're right.  ISTR that the rule is that two B >>"adjacent" VMS versions are supported for the purpose of rollingB >>upgrades only. That means that you can have V7.1 and V7.2 in the% >>same cluster but not V6.2 and V7.1.  >  > 7 >>Other configurations may WORK but you're on your own!  >  > ? > And the latest version of VMS for Vax and Alpha are? Up until ? > now you COULD run both machines at the same version, modulo a ! > few odd cases and sort periods.  > @ > hps message to vaxs is simple. Alpha to follow in a few weeks. >     # And the last VAX was built when????   G Yes the VAX (just about any model) was built like a tank!  They could,  G potentially run for thirty or forty years.  But why would you want to?  I I haven't booted either of my VAXen in several years and may never do so  I again.  My Alphastation 200 4/233 and my Alphastation 600 meet my modest   needs for a VMS platform.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:05:36 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukQ Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) , Message-ID: <eg5gqg$bnn$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  g In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > 7 >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message  B >news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com... >> Neil Rieck wrote:
 >[...snip...]  >>K >> My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with  N >> her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season 3. F >> That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim, L >> "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatory J >> political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies  >> were nothing by comparison).  >> > N >I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created. M >B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor  E >in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the  1 >adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion) ' >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5  > N >Another adult sci-fi almost as good as B5 (at least on an episode-to-episode M >comparison basis) is Firefly. The bad thing here is that only one season of   >Firefly was produced.1 >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)  >   N Firefly is OK but the transplanting of the aftermath of the American Civil War- into space just seemed to be pushed too far.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University         >  >Neil Rieck  >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada. # >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/   >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 12:41:21 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) + Message-ID: <4on17hFfd798U1@individual.net>   ; In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, , 	"Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > 8 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message C > news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  >> Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...] >>K >> My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with  N >> her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season 3. F >> That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim, L >> "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatory J >> political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies  >> were nothing by comparison).  >> > O > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.  N > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor F > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the 2 > adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion)( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 >   J I much prefer old SF in the books (and what made it to the radio).  MostlyI to see all the technological stuff (space travel, robotics) that have not J come to pass and the sociological stuff (handling of cloning) that has andJ continues to develop very much along the lines they predicted 40 years agoJ and have continued to warn about in their, only slightly veiled, messages.  % Oh yeah, I liked Babylon 5, too.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 08:03:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) 3 Message-ID: <mLVfc3$BgoEO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > O > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.  N > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor F > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the  > adult-targeted writing.   F    The one thing I really appreciated about B5 special effects was notB    doing areodynamic turns in space.  B5 spacecraft rotated (oftenA    while firing) and kept going in thier original direction until ,    they used their engines to change course.  A    Meanwhile they reminded us that good SF series aren't based on 2    special effects, they're based on good writing.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:34:36 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <45265b5b$0$5939$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:4on17hFfd798U1@individual.net... = > In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, - > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  [...snip...]  B Yeah, Firefly is not everyone's cup of tea, but lately I've becomeF disappointed with some forms of sci-fi entertainment and have recentlyC realized that I prefer the adult forms. (both B5 and Firefly discus 0 politics, religion, drug abuse, xenophobia, etc)   Firefly Facts:L 1) takes place after American culture merges with Chinese culture then moves
 into space  K 2) takes place after a bloody civil war between the Alliance worlds and the < independents http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_(Firefly)  : 3) characters switch from English to Chinese when swearing  J 4) because of post-war economics, swords and pistols are more popular thanL hand phasers (the Firefly movie called Serenity features a government secret agent sporting a Katana)  8 5) "Companions" are modern Geishas with call-girl skills   [...snip...] > L > I much prefer old SF in the books (and what made it to the radio).  MostlyK > to see all the technological stuff (space travel, robotics) that have not L > come to pass and the sociological stuff (handling of cloning) that has andL > continues to develop very much along the lines they predicted 40 years agoL > and have continued to warn about in their, only slightly veiled, messages. > ' > Oh yeah, I liked Babylon 5, too.  :-)  >  > bill >   L There just isn't enough sci-fi entertainment in the world, so back in 2004 I started a personal project:   J use the net to purchase (then read) used copies of Isaac Asimov's "15-bookI robot-empire" series startng wiith "I, Robot" and ending with "Foundation E and Earth". (I skipped books 6-8 due to recommendations from others.) V http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_sci_fi.html#asimov-suggested-reading-order  H Had it nailed down so that the next book would come to the door the same& week that I finished the previous one.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:15:38 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <452664f8$0$5919$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:mLVfc3$BgoEO@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"    > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: >> [...snip...]   > G >   The one thing I really appreciated about B5 special effects was not C >   doing areodynamic turns in space.  B5 spacecraft rotated (often B >   while firing) and kept going in their original direction until- >   they used their engines to change course.  >   H Yep. Also, you only see main engines fire while ships were accelerating.   > B >   Meanwhile they reminded us that good SF series aren't based on3 >   special effects, they're based on good writing.  >   J You are 100% correct. As we all know, books have no special effects (it's  all in your head).  M But on the flip side, sci-fi movies like Blade Runner, Alien, Predator, Star  & Wars-3, etc. can be visually stunning.  . I'm a sci-fi glutton with a foot in each camp.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/       ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 09:12:48 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) C Message-ID: <1160151168.625350.303270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:i > In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  > > P > > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.O > > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor G > > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the  > > adult-targeted writing.  > H >    The one thing I really appreciated about B5 special effects was notD >    doing areodynamic turns in space.  B5 spacecraft rotated (oftenC >    while firing) and kept going in thier original direction until . >    they used their engines to change course. > C >    Meanwhile they reminded us that good SF series aren't based on 4 >    special effects, they're based on good writing.  F That's one thing I like about the new Battlestar Galactica.  The shipsC actually move more realistically than in the original BG (flipping, = noticable attitude thrusters, etc).  Season 3 starts tonight!    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 23:34:53 -0700 ! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> % Subject: Reason for not deleting file B Message-ID: <1160116493.489752.85520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   HiF I am getting error like file "could not be deleted". What prevents the system to delte this file?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 23:49:39 -0700 ! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file B Message-ID: <1160117379.397245.60730@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  B I doubt that if it is privilage or locking error then it should be
 displayed but " I didn't gety any thing like that. JF Mezei wrote: 
 > alok wrote: J > > I am getting error like file "could not be deleted". What prevents the > > system to delte this file? > F > If you are using the DELETE command, there would usually be a second( > error which would give you the reason. > H > The file could be locked by another application for instance. Or maybe. > you do not have the privileges to delete it. > L > Also, remember that to delete a file, you must specify its version number. >  > aka: DELETE temp.txt fails" >      DELETE temp.txt;23 succeeds > F > (you can say DELETE temp.txt;  to delete the most recent version, of+ > DELETE temp.txt;* to delete all versions)    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 23:52:27 -0700 / From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file C Message-ID: <1160117547.871592.278300@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    alok wrote: D > I doubt that if it is privilage or locking error then it should be > displayed but $ > I didn't gety any thing like that.   What EXACTLY did you get?    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:46:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file , Message-ID: <4525FBAC.7998D1C6@teksavvy.com>   alok wrote: H > I am getting error like file "could not be deleted". What prevents the > system to delte this file?  D If you are using the DELETE command, there would usually be a second& error which would give you the reason.  F The file could be locked by another application for instance. Or maybe, you do not have the privileges to delete it.  J Also, remember that to delete a file, you must specify its version number.   aka: DELETE temp.txt fails       DELETE temp.txt;23 succeeds  D (you can say DELETE temp.txt;  to delete the most recent version, of) DELETE temp.txt;* to delete all versions)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 00:04:15 -0700 / From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file C Message-ID: <1160118255.885085.225140@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    alok wrote: / > I am getting "% delete - W- file not deleted"   - There should something after the "%DELETE-W-" . and before the "file not deleted" which can be be used to derive more info...) Can you please post the EXACT command and  the COMPLETE error message?    Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 23:49:01 -0700 / From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file C Message-ID: <1160117341.272914.144250@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    alok wrote:  > HiH > I am getting error like file "could not be deleted". What prevents the > system to delte this file?  " A bit more detail would be nice...  The complete error message along' with the original command will probably  tell you exactly why.    Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2006 23:59:43 -0700 ! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file C Message-ID: <1160117983.301581.157990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   - I am getting "% delete - W- file not deleted"    David B Sneddon wrote:
 > alok wrote: F > > I doubt that if it is privilage or locking error then it should be > > displayed but & > > I didn't gety any thing like that. >  > What EXACTLY did you get?  >  > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 03:17:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file , Message-ID: <452602F7.1441576F@teksavvy.com>   David B Sneddon wrote:/ > There should something after the "%DELETE-W-" 0 > and before the "file not deleted" which can be  > be used to derive more info...  C Actually, if the delete function is called from an application, the G application may not be parsing the full error vector and just display a D single error code returned from LIB$DELETE_FILE or whatever is beingD deleted. So this might explain why he is not getting the second more explanatory message.  D The original poster shoudl provide greater detaul on the environment where the delete is occuring.   G And to the original poster: try to delete the file from the $ sign with = the DELETE command. This may give you the full error message.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 08:07:16 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Reason for not deleting file 3 Message-ID: <OlUPxzkyb9th@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <1160116493.489752.85520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> writes: > HiH > I am getting error like file "could not be deleted". What prevents the > system to delte this file? >   C    The answer is in the rest of the message.  Please post the whole 	    thing.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 02:26:00 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> Subject: Re: USB hampster C Message-ID: <1160126760.092824.180630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   ' any NEC USB chip set or a specific one?    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:04:10 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: USB hampster 2 Message-ID: <06100608041061_2020028F@antinode.org>    From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>  ) > any NEC USB chip set or a specific one?   H    My cards use the PD720100A (chip says "D720100AGM"), which is one ofC the officially supported chips.  (Ask Google to find "7020100" in a = suitable context, and try to ignore the extra "0".)  Look for 8 "0x00351033" in your SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$*CONFIG.DAT file(s).  8       http://www.necel.com/usb/en/product/upd720100.html  F If you can find a cheap Chinese card with anything else on it, I'll be
 impressed.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:11:05 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> Subject: Re: USB hampster & Message-ID: <45267177.3DF7A984@hp.com>  @ 	There were several reasons for disabling it.  Some better than C others.  One of the big ones is that at the time there were no USB  F devices that any of the O.S. needed or supported.  There were problemsF with two of the O.S.'s not seeing devices unplugged from the root hub I ports.  When firmware group looked at this and other factors and decided  H the simplest thing to do was make it vanish from the configuration data  passed to the O.S.'s.   ? 	The hardware worked not as well as we would have liked but it  H worked.  Disabling it did not save any money in the DS10 or DS10l.  The D controller was part of the bridge chips so we paid for it no matter G what.  It was not a mistake, the problem was the hardware was ahead of  I the O.S.'s and the peripheral vendors.  It was several more years before  H the F.W. and and the O.S. were ready to use USB keyboards and mice, and H the LK463 showed up.  This all predated every random device in the world using USB by a good 3 years.     Forrest    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Forrest Kenney wrote:  > > E > >         As I have said before the built in USB controllers on the H > > DS10 and DS10L cannot be used.  The firmware makes them invisible to > > the O.S. > I > Why was this done ?  Could the USB port be enabled with some magic or a H > patch to the firmware, or or the actual USB hardware  so disdunctional6 > that it was a mistake to put it on the motherboard ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:13:08 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com> Subject: Re: USB hampster & Message-ID: <452671F3.7447AFAC@hp.com>  9 	They exist by by far the most commonly used part is the  A one mentioned below.  Get one of those and V8.3 will see the two  A OHCI controllers and get them going.  We are once again actively  > working on getting the USB 2.0 controller in the chip working.   Forrest    "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > " > From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> > + > > any NEC USB chip set or a specific one?  > J >    My cards use the PD720100A (chip says "D720100AGM"), which is one ofE > the officially supported chips.  (Ask Google to find "7020100" in a ? > suitable context, and try to ignore the extra "0".)  Look for : > "0x00351033" in your SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$*CONFIG.DAT file(s). > : >       http://www.necel.com/usb/en/product/upd720100.html > H > If you can find a cheap Chinese card with anything else on it, I'll be > impressed. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 07:46:27 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?3 Message-ID: <LhFtwREWHdy6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:   > > Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors7 > should fire the entire HP board and start over clean.   H    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard	    on it?   D    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for,    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 05:49:52 -0700  From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk: Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?B Message-ID: <1160138992.759699.187980@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  G Yeah, but let us not forget that we'd still be with Compaq ignoring VMS = were it not for those without the names Hewlett or Packard...    Steve    Bob Koehler wrote:W > In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:  > @ > > Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors9 > > should fire the entire HP board and start over clean.  > J >    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard >    on it?  > F >    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for. >    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:33:00 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>: Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?6 Message-ID: <45265b0d$0$10298$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  > So now we have HP ignoring VMS instead of Compaq ignoring VMS.   Mike.   ( <etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message < news:1160138992.759699.187980@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...I > Yeah, but let us not forget that we'd still be with Compaq ignoring VMS ? > were it not for those without the names Hewlett or Packard...  >  > Steve  >  > Bob Koehler wrote:< >> In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog  >> <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:  >>A >> > Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors : >> > should fire the entire HP board and start over clean. >>K >>    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard  >>    on it? >>G >>    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for / >>    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:33:17 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> : Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?9 Message-ID: <9PGdnUChxLfGDLvYnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@libcom.com>    etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I > Yeah, but let us not forget that we'd still be with Compaq ignoring VMS ? > were it not for those without the names Hewlett or Packard...  >  > Steve  >  > Bob Koehler wrote:X >> In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: >>@ >>> Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors9 >>> should fire the entire HP board and start over clean. K >>    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard  >>    on it? >>G >>    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for / >>    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?  >   + Compaq didn't gut the support organization.   3 Perhaps they just didn't have enough time to do so.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.549 ************************