1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 550       Contents: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen ' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen ' Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen 0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?0 Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks  Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?L Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ESTESTL Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ESTESTD Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00ESTC Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST C Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ! Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour * has anyone applied vms821I_LMF-V0200 patch Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London)  Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London) H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)P Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)weP Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)weP Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)weP Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)weG Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out nextweek) ( Re: Page terminology (SYSGEN, Authorize)5 Re: Testing for the presence of an attached IO device  Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 14:31:12 -0700  From: mcbill20@yahoo.com' Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 A Message-ID: <1160170272.658260.7210@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote: G > > I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide 7 > > what to do with it and would appreciate any advice.  > > I > > Currently at home I have a PWS500. It has 1GB memory supposedly but I J > > only noticved recently that sometime in the past several months duringK > > a scheduled reboot, only 512MB shows up. Other than that, the box works 7 > > great, although more storage options would be nice.  > > K > > A company I've been working with said they would give me an Alphaserver J > > 4100. It's in a large cabinet and has three Storageworks racks (mostly< > > with only 4GB drives unfortunately). Here are the specs: > >  > > - Single 533Mhz CPU  > > - 512MB memory > > - Four SCSI adapters! > > - TZ88 with 7 tape autoloader  > > D > > I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, oneH > > consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that theK > > spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, I H > > don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tapeF > > loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not toK > > mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, not E > > to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I ) > > picture it using lots of electricity.  > > K > > Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they ( > > use a lot of power? Any suggestions? > F > I'm not using one, but I'd bet on it sucking lots of power.  Get theD > specs from the Systems and Options somewhere on the VMS web pages.  ' That's where I got the 430 watt figure.    > I > > Other than the memory problem that I am going to look into, my PWS500 J > > does fine. My only real issue with it is that for some reason the 18GBF > > and 36GB drives aren't recognized in the BA364 enclosure. However,J > > since they work in the racks in the AS4100, I am assuming that I couldD > > pull one of it's racks and use the larger drives with my PWS500. > F > The BA364 is a great little enclosure, allowing you to use narrow orH > wide SCSI disks.  I'm betting the disks you have are beyond wide SCSI,I > possibly Ultra-SCSI or such.  You'd need a different SCSI controller to A > get them to work.  Should be doable in the PWS.  No PWS, so I'm H > guessing.  Just using the shelf with the current controller in the PWS > probably won't help you.  F The controllers I have both show up as "Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI port" when? I do a "show device". I can't remember offhand what the "KZPxx" # designation for the controllers is.   C I would definitely prefer to keep my BA364 as long as I can get the F larger drives to work with it. And I am debating whether to keep usingF my external DLT4000 drive for backups or add the autoloading TZ88. OneE real limitation on the PWS is the number of slots, but even then, you D are limited to how many SCSI controllers you add, even if there is a
 free slot.   > E > What are you doing with VMS?  For many things the PWS is just fine. I > While the 4100 is a fine machine, upkeep might be more than you want to C > spend.  It'll keep you warm in the winter, if you need such.  :-)   F Mostly this machine is used for home automation. It runs Oracle 9i andB CSWS. There are several DECservers which are connected to DECtalk,E furnace/central air, multimeter with serial port, temperature sensors F throughout the house, garage door sensor and garage door control, UPS,- caller ID decoder, sprinkler controller, etc.    Bill   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:59:46 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ' Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 ( Message-ID: <eg7572$v8e$1@pcls4.std.com>   mcbill20@yahoo.com writes:     >Dave Froble wrote:  >> mcbill20@yahoo.com wrote:H >> > I am about to inherit an Alphaserver 4100 and I am trying to decide8 >> > what to do with it and would appreciate any advice. >> >E >> > I am considering replacing my PWS500 with this box. However, one I >> > consideration I have is how much power it will draw. I know that the L >> > spec sheet says the 4100 comes with a 430 watt power supply. However, II >> > don't know how close to 430 watts it will really use. Also, the tape G >> > loader and the Storageworks racks will certainly use power, not to L >> > mention the rack fans. Listening to this rack in the computer room, notF >> > to mention seeing the large cable with the NEMA twistlock plug, I* >> > picture it using lots of electricity. >> >L >> > Anyone else here using one of these in a home/hobbyist setting? Do they) >> > use a lot of power? Any suggestions?  >>G >> I'm not using one, but I'd bet on it sucking lots of power.  Get the E >> specs from the Systems and Options somewhere on the VMS web pages.   ( >That's where I got the 430 watt figure.  E Don't forget that the power supply rating is the maximum power it can G supply, not what it will necessarily draw.  Same for PC power supplies. I What it will draw depends on how many and probably which CPUs it has, how E much memory and what PCI cards it has.  Don't be frightened off by an B elephant trunk cord with a big plug, Digital loved overengineering power supplies and power cords.   J I had a 4100 for a while, from the heat it put out and the electric bill, 2 I'd say it consumed 200-300 watts (main box only).   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 13:44:56 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screenB Message-ID: <1160167496.454822.320460@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Michael Kraemer wrote:7 > In article <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:6 > > Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s, > 8 > so may we assume you will use "x86" rather than "8086" > from now on ?   
 NEWSFLASH:  F In a surprise announcement today, Intel will no longer use the x86-64,E x64, and EM64T designations for its industry standard instruction set 8 technology, but will instead use the "8086" designation.  C When asked why, the Intel spokesman declined comment. However, this D reporter has discovered that a clandestine Canadian based cartel hasB threatened to cut-off all supplies of chocolate to the Intel Board% meetings unless this change was made.   F One board member who asked to remain anonymous stated: "We would stillC have our coffee, but the meetings just wouldn't be the same without @ chocolate! We're just sorry we couldn't implement our pretexting- security procedures in time to prevent this."   % Stay tuned for further breaking news.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:23:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screen9 Message-ID: <8eidneoD2r_-WrvYnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Doug Phillips wrote: > Michael Kraemer wrote:8 >> In article <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei) >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: 6 >>> Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s,9 >> so may we assume you will use "x86" rather than "8086"  >> from now on ? >  > NEWSFLASH: > H > In a surprise announcement today, Intel will no longer use the x86-64,G > x64, and EM64T designations for its industry standard instruction set : > technology, but will instead use the "8086" designation. > E > When asked why, the Intel spokesman declined comment. However, this F > reporter has discovered that a clandestine Canadian based cartel hasD > threatened to cut-off all supplies of chocolate to the Intel Board' > meetings unless this change was made.  > H > One board member who asked to remain anonymous stated: "We would stillE > have our coffee, but the meetings just wouldn't be the same without B > chocolate! We're just sorry we couldn't implement our pretexting/ > security procedures in time to prevent this."  > ' > Stay tuned for further breaking news.  >   B Does AMD have a response to this surprising news?  Will they also C re-name their products?  I'd miss seeing AMD64, Athlon64, and such.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 14:32:30 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> 0 Subject: Re: Alpha powered Logo for login screenB Message-ID: <1160170350.884634.228670@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > Doug Phillips wrote: > > Michael Kraemer wrote:: > >> In article <45263126.167D564A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei+ > >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: 8 > >>> Now that I have moved from the 1980s to the 1990s,; > >> so may we assume you will use "x86" rather than "8086"  > >> from now on ? > >  > > NEWSFLASH: > > J > > In a surprise announcement today, Intel will no longer use the x86-64,I > > x64, and EM64T designations for its industry standard instruction set < > > technology, but will instead use the "8086" designation. > > G > > When asked why, the Intel spokesman declined comment. However, this H > > reporter has discovered that a clandestine Canadian based cartel hasF > > threatened to cut-off all supplies of chocolate to the Intel Board) > > meetings unless this change was made.  > > J > > One board member who asked to remain anonymous stated: "We would stillG > > have our coffee, but the meetings just wouldn't be the same without D > > chocolate! We're just sorry we couldn't implement our pretexting1 > > security procedures in time to prevent this."  > > ) > > Stay tuned for further breaking news.  > >  > C > Does AMD have a response to this surprising news?  Will they also E > re-name their products?  I'd miss seeing AMD64, Athlon64, and such.  >    LATE BREAKING NEWS:   ? As the news from Intel explodes into the tech community, an AMD C spokeman told this reporter in a personal and private meeting: "AMD C would never succumb to this type of blackmail. We stand firm in our ? committment to our state-of-the-art Z-80 technology! Care for a ' bonbon?" He offered no further comment.    :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 12:16:46 -0700 9 From: "Steve Bainbridge" <stephen_bainbridge@yahoo.co.uk> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? C Message-ID: <1160162206.312244.288640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    R.A.Omond wrote:< > One of my customers is going to have a complete power-downA > in the near future (total replacement of the air-conditioning).  > < > Yesterday, while on-site, I managed to grab a SHOW CLUSTER@ > snapshot;  note the cluster has been up (and is fairly heavily > used) for nearly 6 years.  > = > Ah well, just showing off ... pity about the power-down :-(  >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd. >  > A > +-------------------------------------------------------------+ A > |             SYSTEMS             |          MEMBERS          | A > +-------------------------------------------------------------+ A > |        HW_TYPE       | SOFTWARE |  STATUS | TRANSITION_TIME | A > +-------------------------------------------------------------+ A > | VAX 4000-700A        | VMS V6.2 | MEMBER  | 17-MAY-06 13:55 | A > | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | A > | HSD3                 | HSD V32D |         |                 | A > | VAXstation 4000-60   | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 22-JUN-06 15:05 | A > | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | A > | HSD3                 | HSD V34D |         |                 | A > | VAXstation 4000-90A  | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 26-NOV-05 10:30 | A > | VAXstation 4000-90   | VMS V6.2 | MEMBER  | 26-NOV-05 10:28 | A > | VAX 4000-700A        | VMS V7.1 | MEMBER  | 17-MAY-06 13:56 | A > +-------------------------------------------------------------+  >  > +-----------------+  > |     CLUSTER     |  > +-----------------+  > |      FORMED     |  > +-----------------+  > | 21-OCT-00 12:09 |  > +-----------------+  >  > $ sh sys/clu/noproc F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.88  Uptime  105 01:53:49F > OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.90  Uptime  313 06:31:17F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.92  Uptime  313 06:29:20F > OpenVMS V6.2  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.93  Uptime  141 03:00:28F > OpenVMS V7.1  on node X 5-OCT-2006 16:59:37.95  Uptime  141 03:03:21  E Unfortunately, powering down the cluster is bad enough; this needs to G be done due to air con upgrades. But it gets worse....the air con needs D updating because we are replacing more and more Alpha's with WindowsB servers and these belch out heat at a fair rate. It never rains...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:37:20 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? + Message-ID: <eg6iai$c89$1@naig.caltech.edu>    R.A.Omond wrote:< > One of my customers is going to have a complete power-downA > in the near future (total replacement of the air-conditioning).  > < > Yesterday, while on-site, I managed to grab a SHOW CLUSTER@ > snapshot;  note the cluster has been up (and is fairly heavily > used) for nearly 6 years.   2 I'd bet serious money that some of the disks won't? spin up after the extended power off.  Possibly ditto for a few ? cooling fans.  Devices that have been spinning for 6 years tend : not to have enough lubrication left to start up again once0 they spin down, cool off, and sit for some time.  A It might be a good idea to have some spare disks on hand when the  power comes back.    Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 01:01:03 GMT " From: reed@forge.{fe}.net (Brian )9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? , Message-ID: <au8jv3-17f.ln1@server.iron.net>  e In article <1160149518.165106.22820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: ! >From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> : >Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ?' >Organization: http://groups.google.com  > D >as far as I know the current up time record is held by a cluster at >WVNET with over 10 years. >  >See: >http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/01/08/4531954  D Many years ago there was a railroad company in Ireland that had beenQ up for 17 years.  I haven't heard if it is still going, but no doubt it could be.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:45:05 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> 9 Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? . Message-ID: <RwEVg.101354$1T2.78415@pd7urf2no>  0 "Brian " <reed@forge.{fe}.net> wrote in message & news:au8jv3-17f.ln1@server.iron.net... > J > In article <1160149518.165106.22820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Ian  > Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: " >>From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>; >>Subject: Re: Cluster uptime - any improvement over this ? ( >>Organization: http://groups.google.com >>E >>as far as I know the current up time record is held by a cluster at  >>WVNET with over 10 years.  >> >>See ; >>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/01/08/4531954  > F > Many years ago there was a railroad company in Ireland that had beenJ > up for 17 years.  I haven't heard if it is still going, but no doubt it  > could be.   M Of course the original story - and I'm going back to 1980 or thereabouts was  	 about the ? VAX that crashed because the disk activity counter overflowed..   M It was used at a refinery in Sarnia Ontario.  The counter was only 32 bits -  M that should have been big enough - right!!  I guess that a year or 18 months  
 did it in....   K Problem fixed pdq....  I guess even the OS writers never expected the sort    of uptimes that VMS displayed...   Villy    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:23:26 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 2 Message-ID: <06100613232649_2020028F@antinode.org>  ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > >> Steven M. Schweda wrote:   N > >>>    Ah.  As I recall, with my AlpSta 200 4/233 (768MB memory), it usuallyH > >>> felt as if I were drowning.  (But it feels so good when you stop.)  K > > How did you get 768MB memory in the Alphastation 200 4/233?  I thought   > > it maxed out at 96 MB!!  > H > The AlphaStation 200 4/233 has 6 recepticles for SIMMs.  They must be I > used in pairs, bank 0, bank 1, and bank 2 I believe.  The system takes  H > fast page parity SIMMs, and I've used sizes from 4 MB SIMMs to 128 MB A > SIMMs.  I don't think the SIMMs usable in the system ever were  G > manufactured in larger sizes than 128 MB.  Three pairs of the 128 MB  I > SIMMs would give you the 768 MB I believe, if I can still add properly.   E    Yup.  Three pairs of 128MB 70ns (or 60ns) FPM pariry SIMMs.  (Mine E are 60ns.)  Where did you get the idea that 96MB was the maximum?  My * "User Information" manual (page 3-4) says:  H       You can increase your system's memory to 192 MB (384 MB when 64-MB"       SIMMs are available).  [...]  F I've never seen anything bigger than 128MB, but I haven't been lookingB for a while.  Of course new applications for FPM memory are prettyD scarce these day.  I found all my memory on Ebay, but there could be other old-junk sources, too.  H > I think the most memory I have in such a system is 384 MB, and for my 2 > uses, I never come near to using all the memory.  E    You're not trying.  The "Extended File Cache" is happy to eat half B your memory, for example.  ("SHOW MEMORY /CACHE".)  Bigger WSMAX.  {C}SWB.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:15:26 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: CSWB: disappearing bookmarks 9 Message-ID: <CfmdnVqX6JbTNLvYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:) > From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  >  >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>>> Steven M. Schweda wrote:  > N >>>>>    Ah.  As I recall, with my AlpSta 200 4/233 (768MB memory), it usuallyH >>>>> felt as if I were drowning.  (But it feels so good when you stop.) > K >>> How did you get 768MB memory in the Alphastation 200 4/233?  I thought   >>> it maxed out at 96 MB!! I >> The AlphaStation 200 4/233 has 6 recepticles for SIMMs.  They must be  J >> used in pairs, bank 0, bank 1, and bank 2 I believe.  The system takes I >> fast page parity SIMMs, and I've used sizes from 4 MB SIMMs to 128 MB  B >> SIMMs.  I don't think the SIMMs usable in the system ever were H >> manufactured in larger sizes than 128 MB.  Three pairs of the 128 MB J >> SIMMs would give you the 768 MB I believe, if I can still add properly. > G >    Yup.  Three pairs of 128MB 70ns (or 60ns) FPM pariry SIMMs.  (Mine G > are 60ns.)  Where did you get the idea that 96MB was the maximum?  My , > "User Information" manual (page 3-4) says: > J >       You can increase your system's memory to 192 MB (384 MB when 64-MB$ >       SIMMs are available).  [...] > H > I've never seen anything bigger than 128MB, but I haven't been lookingD > for a while.  Of course new applications for FPM memory are prettyF > scarce these day.  I found all my memory on Ebay, but there could be > other old-junk sources, too. > I >> I think the most memory I have in such a system is 384 MB, and for my  3 >> uses, I never come near to using all the memory.  > G >    You're not trying.  The "Extended File Cache" is happy to eat half D > your memory, for example.  ("SHOW MEMORY /CACHE".)  Bigger WSMAX. 	 > {C}SWB.   H correct, I'm not.  Except for one V8.2 system, all others are at V7.2-1.  I The only 'customer requested' VMS work I've gotten into in several years  G was a request to test SSH with socket communications, and the priority  = on that took a nosedive right after I set up the V8.2 system.   ? Most of the hobbyist work lately has been on aircraft, not VMS.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 06 14:00:12 EDT ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? ! Message-ID: <iPtfkPkCx6xi@wvnvms>   e In article <45268f91$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: ~ > In article <paul.sture.nospam-3EF0D9.12572006102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:. >>In article <45264222$1@news.langstoeger.at>,: >> peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote: >>H >>> In article <1160075961.477851.197080@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, - >>> "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes: < >>> >I was asked this by someone looking at Oracle upgrades. >>>  >>> Yes. >>> N >>> You can check this yourself with F$GETSYI("CPUTYPE") >= 8 where values are >>> 
 >>> 	 2	21064 $ >>> 	 4	21066, 21068, 21066A, 21068A
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 >>> 	 8	21264  >>> 	11	21264A >>> 	12	21264C >>> 	13	21264B >>> 	14	21264D
 >>> 	15	21364 
 >>> 	16	21364  >>> 	 .  >>> 	 .  >>> 	 .  >>> 	31	Itanium 2  >>> 	32	Itanium 3  >>> ' >>> and of course with SDA> CLUE CONFIG  >># >>Is the value for 5 above correct?  > H > I don't know. But this is what's in the doc (at least since V7.mumble)- > Probably a mail to openvmsdoc could help...  > I > I found it strange too, as there are missing numbers, there is no speed G > progress in the list (means 21064A after 21164) and duplicate entries I > (15 and 16 for the 21364) as well (or should be the 16 for the EV7z and L > is this really called 364 without the A?). But as long as it is documentedE > and all use the same doc of course, the order in the list should be 
 > irrelevant.  > D >>On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG  >>shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A) >  > Same on my PWS433au   > My DEC 3000-700 also doesn't agree with the table.  It returns< 2 but has a 21064A CPU (correctly indicated by CLUE CONFIG).     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:23:53 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-DD57E0.21235306102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <452667ed@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,.  Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote:   > Paul Sture wrote:  > % > > Is the value for 5 above correct?  > > F > > On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG" > > shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A) > J > Pick off a copy of the Alpha microprocessor identification tool over in Q > the left nav of the old Ask The Wizard site (or on the Freeware distro), build  Q > and run that, and post the results.  Also try a SHOW CPU/FULL command, if your  , > OpenVMS version has that, and post the id. >   % $ r  ALPHA_IMPLVER_AMASK_FEATURES     0 ALPHA_IMPLVER_AMASK_FEATURES.C V1.3 (EV4 to EV7)   Alpha Microprocessor Family:   Alpha 21164 or variant.    EV5 microprocessor core.     21164A/EV56 or variant   Alpha extensions available:    byte-word, et al.    $ show cpu/full   - System: MYNODE, Digital Personal WorkStation    /   SMP execlet   = 3 : Disabled : Uniprocessing.    Config tree   = None1   Primary CPU   = 0                               9   HWRPB CPUs    = 1                                       9   Page Size     = 8192                                    1   Revision Code =                                    Serial Number =    Default CPU Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN     Default Process Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN    G CPU 0    State: RUN                CPUDB: 81C38000     Handle: * None * 2        Process: PAUL                 PID: 20200468   Capabilities: (         System: PRIMARY QUORUM RUN RAD0    Slot Context: 855181C0<      CPU     -  State..........: RC, PA, PP, CV, PV, PMV, PL8                 Type...........: EV56 (21164A), Reserved(                 Speed..........: 598 MhzB                 Variation......: VAX FP, IEEE FP, Primary Eligible!                 Serial Number..:  !                 Revision.......:  "                 Halt Request...: 0$                 Software Comp..: 5.5(      PALCODE -  Revision Code..: 1.20-01"                 Compatibility..: 0"                 Max Shared CPUs: 1I                 Memory  Space..: Physical = 00000000.00000000  Length = 0 I                 Scratch Space..: Physical = 00000000.00000000  Length = 0    Bindings:     * None *   Fastpath: 
         PKA0     Features:       Autostart - Enabled. 4      Fastpath  - Selection enabled as Preferred CPU.      P >    I know where I'd assume the error lurks give the differences between these K > two sources, but I'll refrain from comment pending additional confirming   > data.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:31:20 GMT  From: hoff@hp.nospam () ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? 0 Message-ID: <s2zVg.815$Gq4.598@news.cpqcorp.net>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-DD57E0.21235306102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:- |> In article <452667ed@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, 1 |>  Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote:  |>   |> > Paul Sture wrote: |> >  ( |> > > Is the value for 5 above correct? |> > >  I |> > > On my PWS 600au F$GETSY("CPUTYPE") returns 5, but SDA> CLUE CONFIG % |> > > shows CPU Type  EV56  (21164A)  ...  ( |> $ r  ALPHA_IMPLVER_AMASK_FEATURES    3 |> ALPHA_IMPLVER_AMASK_FEATURES.C V1.3 (EV4 to EV7)  |>   |> Alpha Microprocessor Family:  |>   Alpha 21164 or variant. |>   EV5 microprocessor core.  |>     21164A/EV56 or variant  ...; |>                 Type...........: EV56 (21164A), Reserved         D   If you are seeing f$getsyi("CPUTYPE") show a 5 for what the other C tools are showing as an EV56, then what is being returned from the  B HWRPB or EXE$GQ_CPUTYPE is (clearly) bogus.  Where the bogus data E is arising is another discussion -- I don't know the source off-hand.   D   Do you need to use CPUTYPE here?  (Yuck.  This is one of the classE of ugly little problems, too, where once you find and fix the error,  D you risk breaking something that simply uses the code as returned.) D If this isn't something you are using, I'd use the AMASK/IMPLVER or # such, or another path into the CPU.   C   That there's just "31" for Itanium isn't all that useful, either.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:24:09 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> U Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ESTEST 9 Message-ID: <fr2dnVmu8NLGNrvYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@libcom.com>   # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote:  > Yep  >  > We're doing it again!  > C > 1 x DS10L is being given away at 5:00pm EST on Friday 6th October  >  > Configured as follows: >  > DS10L 466Mhz EV6 machine > 256MB Memory > 30GB 7200RPM IDE Disk  > Dual 10/100 Ethernet > 1 open PCI Slot   C Just slightly on topic.  A question for all the happy DS10L owners.   I Just got a DS10L from David, thank you very much.  Now I have to open it  D up to see what's inside.  I remember reading about the top opening.  Cannot determine how to do so.  I There are 3 small screws across the front of the top, and 2 more, one on  $ each side.  Do these secure the top?  H There are 3 what appear to be recessed thumbscrews scattered across the  top.  What are these.   C Normally I'd just dive in and start removing screws.  No hurry, so   thought I'd ask.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:52:19 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> U Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST ESTEST E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610061349350.10854@localhost.localdomain>   & On Fri, 6 Oct 2006, Dave Froble wrote:  N > Just got a DS10L from David, thank you very much.  Now I have to open it up J > to see what's inside.  I remember reading about the top opening. Cannot  > determine how to do so.  > P > There are 3 small screws across the front of the top, and 2 more, one on each ! > side.  Do these secure the top?   ; These are quarter-turn type fasteners.  Turn them 1/4 turn   counter-clockwise to release.  > O > There are 3 what appear to be recessed thumbscrews scattered across the top.   > What are these.   G These have to be unscrewed as well.  Then lift the front of the cover.   It is hinged at the back.   	 Have fun!      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:30:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> M Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery  Starts 10/5/2006 09:00  Ends 10/6/200606 17:00EST , Message-ID: <45271141.70EC86F8@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > J > Just got a DS10L from David, thank you very much.  Now I have to open itE > up to see what's inside.  I remember reading about the top opening.  > Cannot determine how to do so   @ You must use your aluminium baseball bats to coerce the top into opening. :-) :-) :-)    H All of the screws are "retained" by the top cover (they won't fall off).  O Unscrew/unlock the 5 small philips screws, as well as the 3 large blade screws.   E Grab the cover by the sides (the front besel is part of the base, not 5 the cover). Gently lift it while holding your breath.   G Be careful with any connectors you have in the back. The cover's hinges 7 do give some clearance, but you still need to watch it.   H Also, check that the hinges in the back are not damaged. Mine were bent.A I used pliers to straighten them. You can use your baseball bats.   D The cover can remain partially open, or you can open it fully so the cover is vertical.    H Once opened, check that the ventilation is OK. For instance,  downstreamD of the CPU, thehere is a plastic flexible baffle. It could be curvedE towards the back of the cabinet (to direct air flowing out of the CPU A towards the back.). Mine was "out" curved towards the front, thus 0 allowing hot air to leak into the front portion.  B Similarly, in the CPU fan intake side (on the right), you want the" baffle to curve towards the front.  H The fans in the power supply are held in such a way that there are holesD on the top. A lot of air is bleeding through those holes. I put someE metal duct tape to cover those hols and thus increase airflow through E the powersupply and instead of allowing the bleed air to flow/warm up ; over the power supply before being sucked into the CPU fan.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:13:10 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) L Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 EST( Message-ID: <eg6dcm$kt7$1@pcls6.std.com>  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   D >Just slightly on topic.  A question for all the happy DS10L owners.  J >Just got a DS10L from David, thank you very much.  Now I have to open it E >up to see what's inside.  I remember reading about the top opening.   >Cannot determine how to do so.   J >There are 3 small screws across the front of the top, and 2 more, one on % >each side.  Do these secure the top?   B They aren't really screws, they're some sort of latch.  Turn them B counterclockwise until they stop.  They don't turn any more.  They+ threw me the first time I encountered them.   I >There are 3 what appear to be recessed thumbscrews scattered across the   >top.  What are these.  4 Those are real screws.  You'll have to unscrew them.  F The top is hinged in the back, and there is a metal thingy on one side to hold it open.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 14:11:05 -0700 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> L Subject: Re: DS10L Lottery Starts 10/5/2006 09:00 Ends 10/6/200606 17:00 ESTB Message-ID: <1160169065.113917.135270@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   And the winner is ...   D On Oct 6, 3:13 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:* > Dave Froble <d...@tsoft-inc.com> writes:F > >Just slightly on topic.  A question for all the happy DS10L owners.K > >Just got a DS10L from David, thank you very much.  Now I have to open it F > >up to see what's inside.  I remember reading about the top opening.! > >Cannot determine how to do so. K > >There are 3 small screws across the front of the top, and 2 more, one on h > >each side.  Do these secure the top?They aren't really screws, they're some sort of latch.  Turn themD > counterclockwise until they stop.  They don't turn any more.  They- > threw me the first time I encountered them.  > J > >There are 3 what appear to be recessed thumbscrews scattered across theL > >top.  What are these.Those are real screws.  You'll have to unscrew them. > H > The top is hinged in the back, and there is a metal thingy on one side > to hold it open.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:01:54 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> * Subject: Re: F$CVTIME Delta Time Behaviour0 Message-ID: <452718A2.C0BACFA9@spam.comcast.net>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  >  > In article <1160102109.515050.58140@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: > > fyi... from the listings...  > > 1 > > CLIUTL - CVTTIME - CONVERT CLI TIME TO BINARY ( > > ;     X-2     ROP0093    15-May-19869 > > ;             Allow LIB$CVT_DTIME to take it's string = > > ;             output as input.  DD<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS will % > > ;             now be valid input.  >  > That comment is incorrect. > : > HH<BLANK>HH:MM:SS.SS is what is accepted as valid input. > $ > Somebody really screwed the pooch.  M I'm confused. What does the first "HH" (before the blank) represent? "Hours"?   = FWIW: Never found much use for DELTA times with F$CVTIME()...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 12:27:24 -0700  From: Don.Zong@gmail.com3 Subject: has anyone applied vms821I_LMF-V0200 patch C Message-ID: <1160162844.788310.200880@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ? Wondering if anyone applied this patch on openvms 8.2-1 itanium C platform ? We applied this morning and get an error "DEC VMScluster ; license is not active error" ( only one node loaded license   successfully, other two didn't).  D Looks like this new patch is for PCL ( per core license) and can notG handle previous license type - ppl ( per processor license). Backed out G patch and error gone.  Called HP, seems they don't know about this. The G patch is release on May 2006, so it has been a while. Is there anything  I am overlooked ?    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Oct 2006 16:48:04 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London). Message-ID: <mddejtl41dn.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  8 Oops.  That was supposed to be a reply, not a follow-up. --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 15:03:54 -0700 % From: "JP" <J.Pelan@gatsby.ucl.ac.uk> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Media Kits (London)A Message-ID: <1160172234.906190.76640@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   	 JP wrote: G > I have a very large pile of OpenVMS media kits available at a site in  > central London.   B I think I've had sufficient expressions of interest now (including@ requests for the Tru64 kits). Thanks to everyone that responded.   -- John P.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:31:05 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <4526a0d6$0$5931$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   & <davidc@montagar.com> wrote in message= news:1160151168.625350.303270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > Bob Koehler wrote:K >> In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" ! >> <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:    [...snip...]   > H > That's one thing I like about the new Battlestar Galactica.  The shipsE > actually move more realistically than in the original BG (flipping, ? > noticable attitude thrusters, etc).  Season 3 starts tonight!  >   F We can't watch Season-3 in Canada until Saturday night. I like the newF series through. A bit of Blade Runner mixed with a bit of the originalJ Battle Star Galactica (minus the crap). I was surprised when Baltar didn't0 name his Cylon Detector a "Voight-Kampf" machine   :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:32:12 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <4526a119$0$5917$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   : "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:45266827@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  > G >> I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever   >> created.  >  >   And so it begins.  >    We are all Kosh.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 11:47:14 -0700 ; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) A Message-ID: <1160160434.542241.99730@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: J > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:mLVfc3$BgoEO@eisner.encompasserve.org... L > > In article <452642c6$0$5943$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"" > > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > >> > [...snip...] >  > > I > >   The one thing I really appreciated about B5 special effects was not E > >   doing areodynamic turns in space.  B5 spacecraft rotated (often D > >   while firing) and kept going in their original direction until/ > >   they used their engines to change course.  > >  > J > Yep. Also, you only see main engines fire while ships were accelerating. >  > > D > >   Meanwhile they reminded us that good SF series aren't based on5 > >   special effects, they're based on good writing.  > >  > K > You are 100% correct. As we all know, books have no special effects (it's  > all in your head). > N > But on the flip side, sci-fi movies like Blade Runner, Alien, Predator, Star( > Wars-3, etc. can be visually stunning. > 0 > I'm a sci-fi glutton with a foot in each camp. >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada." > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck  = Nobody ever brings up the original early 1960s "Outer Limits"  television series.  E Outstanding, and in my mind, ranks up there with many "Twilight Zone" F episodes from the same period.  Writing of that caliber is seldom seen today.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:58:20 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <4526c358$0$5917$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   , <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> wrote in message ; news:1160160434.542241.99730@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...  >  [...snip...] > ? > Nobody ever brings up the original early 1960s "Outer Limits"  > television series. > G > Outstanding, and in my mind, ranks up there with many "Twilight Zone" H > episodes from the same period.  Writing of that caliber is seldom seen > today. >  > WWWebb >   H I was raised on "The Outer Limits" and "The Twilight Zone". (that might / explain a few things now that I think about it)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.  http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:33:09 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) ; Message-ID: <4526cb82$0$5895$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   5 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  3 news:CfmdnVWX6JbHN7vYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@libcom.com...  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >> Neil Rieck wrote: >>H >>> I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever  >>> created. >> >>   And so it begins. > H > Why?  In my opinion, there aren't enough to argue over.  The mindless 9 > rabble much prefer junk such as survivor and lost.  :-(  >   ( Why does it begin? Because Kosh said so!   :-)   H The above quote is a Koshism from the opening of season 5. Kosh was the K Vorlon ambassador (Vorlons appear like angels under their encounter suits;  M after the first Kosh is assassinated he is replaced with another Vorlon also  M named Kosh ("we are all Kosh") who seems a little more diabolical and I also  / wondered if this Kosh might look like a demon.)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:28:56 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)we * Message-ID: <45266827@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:   O > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.        And so it begins.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:19:55 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)we 9 Message-ID: <CfmdnVWX6JbHN7vYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Neil Rieck wrote:  > G >> I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever   >> created.  >  >   And so it begins.   F Why?  In my opinion, there aren't enough to argue over.  The mindless 7 rabble much prefer junk such as survivor and lost.  :-(    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:03:59 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)we 9 Message-ID: <Q8idnWYFPoiQlLrYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: 7 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  5 > news:CfmdnVWX6JbHN7vYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@libcom.com...  >> Hoff Hoffman wrote: >>> Neil Rieck wrote:  >>> I >>>> I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever  
 >>>> created.  >>>   And so it begins. I >> Why?  In my opinion, there aren't enough to argue over.  The mindless  : >> rabble much prefer junk such as survivor and lost.  :-( >> > * > Why does it begin? Because Kosh said so! >  > :-)  > J > The above quote is a Koshism from the opening of season 5. Kosh was the M > Vorlon ambassador (Vorlons appear like angels under their encounter suits;  O > after the first Kosh is assassinated he is replaced with another Vorlon also  O > named Kosh ("we are all Kosh") who seems a little more diabolical and I also  1 > wondered if this Kosh might look like a demon.)   I Ok, didn't know that.  I took it as a comment that a flame war over what  . was/is the best TV SF show was about to begin.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:07:38 GMT ; From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) week)we < Message-ID: <KZDVg.9615$vJ2.6085@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: 7 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message  5 > news:CfmdnVWX6JbHN7vYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@libcom.com...  >  >>Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >> >>>Neil Rieck wrote: >>>  >>> H >>>>I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever  >>>>created. >>>  >>>  And so it begins. >>H >>Why?  In my opinion, there aren't enough to argue over.  The mindless 9 >>rabble much prefer junk such as survivor and lost.  :-(  >> >  > * > Why does it begin? Because Kosh said so! >  > :-)  > J > The above quote is a Koshism from the opening of season 5. Kosh was the M > Vorlon ambassador (Vorlons appear like angels under their encounter suits;  O > after the first Kosh is assassinated he is replaced with another Vorlon also  O > named Kosh ("we are all Kosh") who seems a little more diabolical and I also  1 > wondered if this Kosh might look like a demon.)  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.$ > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  >  > 3 Delenn was Sinclair's great great... granddaughter. B Sinclair goes back in time to become Valen courtesy of the Vorlons' When Valen is finished he disappears...   5 When time comes back to the "current" events of B5...   C Valen/Sinclair is now Kosh, the only Vorlon who cared about humans.    I loved B5.   
 Jeff Coffield    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:51:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> P Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out nextweek), Message-ID: <45271611.BC9E3305@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:J > Ok, didn't know that.  I took it as a comment that a flame war over what0 > was/is the best TV SF show was about to begin.    E Nop. "And so it begins"  refers to Kosh knowing that there is to be a D conflict with the "shadows" (the bad guys). And as he sees the first2 signs of shadows emerging,he utters that sentence.  G Babylon 5 was unique in that the full multi-year story line was written F before the first show, except for the additional season that was addedG (the one with the telepaths essentially becoming terrorists). Note that F the series finale was actually shot as the end of the previous season.  D The "full story" allow Kascinzky to insert clues right from the veryG fist episode. So while each episode may have seemed to be "stand alone" E initially, one eventually realised that many clues had been seeded to  explian what was going on.  F Note that Babylon 5 did not initially have much studio support. It wasD not considered a big success. The follow on series (forget the name)F didn't last a full season, just the first 6 pilot episodes. And it wasE just getting to a point where the storyline was starting to move with + all the story foundatiosn being fully laid.     E babylon 5 also was one of the rare series that dealt with time travel  issues in a very logical way.     E Recently saw an interesting interview of Terry Gilliam on the BBC (of F Monthy Python fame). he made the comment that now that the big studiosH are all owned by multinationals, the heads of studios are just glorifiedH accountants that report to the multinational boards. They no longer haveE the authority to take risks on new movies. You will no longer see any E "Titanic" or "Lors of the Rings" being funded. Instead you are seeing F "safe investments" such as remake of old movies, which ironically have so far all flopped big time.  D And to bring this in a VMS context, it is a bit like VMS management.? Their hands are tied and they are not allowed to take risks, do E marketing etc becauyse they report to the "big corporation" that owns H them and everything mucy be approved by the big owners who are busy with other priorities.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2006 13:28:14 -0700 ; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: Page terminology (SYSGEN, Authorize) B Message-ID: <1160166494.131175.250050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: G > On good old VAXes, 1 page = 512bytes. This unit was common throughout 0 > VMS in both SHOW MEMORY, SYSGEN and AUTHORIZE. > I > On ALPHA (and I assume that IA64 thing), a page is generally 8192 , but G > could be up to 64k. The concept of a "pagelet" was introduced whith a  > pagelet = 512 bytes. > I > However, in both SYSGEN and AUTHORIZE, the terminology used for process  > quotas is "pages". > . > for instance: Authorise HELP MOD /WSDEFAULT:B >     Specifies the default working set limit. This represents theD >      initial limit to the number of physical pages the process canG >      use. (The user can alter the default quantity up to WSQUOTA with C >      the DCL command SET WORKING_SET.) By default, a user has 256 G >      pages on VAX systems and 4096 pagelets on Alpha and I64 systems.  >  >  > J > So, it starts off using the term "pages" and then pagelets. Which one is > actually used ?  >  >  > SYSGEN>  HELP SYS WSMAX  >  > Sys_Parameters > 	 >   WSMAX  > I >        WSMAX sets the maximum number of pages on a systemwide basis for G >        any working set. WSMAX is calculated as a quarter of the first  >  > C > In SYSGEN at least, SHOW WSMAX will display both pagelet and page H > equivalent values. But in AUTHORIZE, there is no such clear display of > what units are being used. >  > G > If "PAGES" are actually used in AUTHORIZE, it would mean that VAX UAF J > definitions would in fact give an 16 fold increase in working set quotas > when used on a current Alpha.  > H > I *assume* that on alpha, all UAF definitions are really using pageletH > units to remain standard with VAX. But the documentation should really% > be updated to remove any confusion.   , I'l give you something to be cheerful about:  4 TIMEPROMPTWAIT is still measured in microfortnights.  6 In VMS, there are still some things that never change.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:12:14 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> > Subject: Re: Testing for the presence of an attached IO device2 Message-ID: <4526AA8E.1070501@applied-synergy.com>   Villy Madsen wrote: L > Is there a way of verifying if a specified IO address is valid  (i.e. has  > something attached) ?? > $ > Can I use the PROBE instruction ?? > J > Is there a system service that I can call to do that - although I could N > probably still scribble up the 4 or 5 instructions of macro needed to build  > a subroutine....  F The PROBEx instructions just verify that the MMU allows access to the ? location.  I don't think that it actually touches the location.   D To probe the I/O space, you need to intercept MCHK faults.  When an H attempt to access an unimplemented location in the I/O space occurs, an E MCHK may occur.  It is possible that it might not.  I think that the   behavior is hardware dependent.   I I think the device driver manual documents some macros which can be used  	 for this.   
 Good luck!   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:16:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: USB hampster , Message-ID: <45270E16.AA970EDB@teksavvy.com>   Forrest Kenney wrote:  > H >         There were several reasons for disabling it.  Some better thanD > others.  One of the big ones is that at the time there were no USB4 > devices that any of the O.S. needed or supported.   " OK, so you hid the USB from DS10s.  D Is tere any way that users can unhide the device ? I.E some VMS hackH that would tell the firmware to actually see the device and allow VMS to configure it ?  0 Or is the only way to get fomr hacked firmware ?  B With the Alpha chip dead and alpha computers now out of sales, anyG chance that the firmware source for the DS10 DS10L might be released so F that users/hobbyists could update it to remove the code that hides the USB ?    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:46:01 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: USB hampster 2 Message-ID: <06100621460128_2020028F@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   $ > OK, so you hid the USB from DS10s. > F > Is tere any way that users can unhide the device ? I.E some VMS hackJ > that would tell the firmware to actually see the device and allow VMS to > configure it ?      The XP1000 has this:   
 >>>show *usb*  usb_enable             OFF  H I haven't tried changing it.  (But I have more PCI slots than you have.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:57:36 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: USB hampster 0 Message-ID: <452717A0.E814E1ED@spam.comcast.net>   Forrest Kenney wrote:  > G >         Before someone asks YES I have seen the USB hampster.  [snip]   , Just wondering what a "hampster" might be...  ! Is that a hamster from Hampshire?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.550 ************************