1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 553       Contents:+ Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + RE: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" + Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"  RE: Advice on Alphaserver 4100K Compaq Alpahserver DS20 for sale Italy 2.5GB 550MHz 4MB L2 72GB uwSCSI raid 4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next weekH Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) Re: USB hampster Re: USB hampster1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons? 1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons? 1 Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2006 23:17:17 -0700 - From: "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> 4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"B Message-ID: <1160288237.034025.110690@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Ian Miller wrote: I > >> some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more  > >> demand for VMS people > >>8 > >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/ > >> > >> If only it was true :-( > >  > > K > > Jenkins, VP of marketing of BCS (oxymoron) uses the word "LEGACY"  when  > > mentioning OpenVMS.  > > L > > Perhaps Mr Froble should aim his aluminium bat to Jenkins instead of me. > ' > Got lotsa bats, and they're reusable.  > I > Give it up.  I've lost any hope for VMS.  Talk is cheap, but we've been F > seeing HP's actions.  I have no idea where HP management thinks it'sI > going, but my suspicions are that current management worries only about ; > it's short term bonuses, golden parachutes, and now jail.  > H > Two things went hand in hand, VMS and support.  They supplemented eachJ > other.  As long as the support was there, VMS had a chance.  HP has justE > removed the last compelling reason to choose VMS.  The day of 'good J > enough' has arrived.  The lowest common denominator for 'good enough' is
 > rather low.  >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486   F There will remain an inner core of excellent VMS support.  The problem is first speaking G to experts who will know more than you based on their several months of 	 training.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:20:51 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: "VMS people can write their own ticket"T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401BA5AE0@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Alan Greig [mailto:greigaln@netscape.net]=20 > Sent: October 6, 2006 8:49 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket" >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: >=202 > >> That's quoting Martin Banks, not Don Jenkins.2 > >> Didn't Don tell him it's called "HP OpenVMS?" > >=20H > > Sigh ... Its always amusing to see those "IT rookies" (like media=20? > > reporters/analysts who have never spent any time in a DC=20  > environment)=20 I > > use the term "legacy" to describe what they do not understand in a=20 A > > condescending and/or derogatory manner in such a way as to=20  > imply that=20 @ > > the platforms they are familiar with are in some way better. >=20I > Martin Banks is one of the longest serving UK IT journalists around.=20 9 > I've still got his review of the DEC Rainbow somewhere.  >=200 > http://www.presshere.com/html/martin_banks.htm >=20 > -- > Alan Greig >=20  H When someone refers to an entire platform as legacy, then they obviouslyH have not learned (regardless of how long they have been around) that allG platforms have legacy versions, but that does not mean current versions  are legacy.   C Case in point - Microsoft itself calls Windows 2000 and NT4 legacy. F However, I think Martin Banks would have a tough time generalizing and" calling Microsft Windows "legacy".   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 14:49:55 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"+ Message-ID: <4oshgjFg77igU1@individual.net>   T In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401BA5AE0@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message----- 5 >> From: Alan Greig [mailto:greigaln@netscape.net]=20   >> Sent: October 6, 2006 8:49 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com7 >> Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"  >>=20  >> Main, Kerry wrote:  >>=20 3 >> >> That's quoting Martin Banks, not Don Jenkins. 3 >> >> Didn't Don tell him it's called "HP OpenVMS?"  >> >=20 I >> > Sigh ... Its always amusing to see those "IT rookies" (like media=20 @ >> > reporters/analysts who have never spent any time in a DC=20 >> environment)=20J >> > use the term "legacy" to describe what they do not understand in a=20B >> > condescending and/or derogatory manner in such a way as to=20 >> imply that=20A >> > the platforms they are familiar with are in some way better.  >>=20 J >> Martin Banks is one of the longest serving UK IT journalists around.=20: >> I've still got his review of the DEC Rainbow somewhere. >>=20 1 >> http://www.presshere.com/html/martin_banks.htm  >>=20  >> -- 
 >> Alan Greig  >>=20  > J > When someone refers to an entire platform as legacy, then they obviouslyJ > have not learned (regardless of how long they have been around) that allI > platforms have legacy versions, but that does not mean current versions 
 > are legacy.  > E > Case in point - Microsoft itself calls Windows 2000 and NT4 legacy. H > However, I think Martin Banks would have a tough time generalizing and$ > calling Microsft Windows "legacy". >   8 Microsoft isn't dumping all its experienced developer.  B He didn't call Microsft Windows "legacy".  He called VMS "legacy".& I suspect he knew what he was doing.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:39:46 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"9 Message-ID: <A-OdnUcBMZ55qLTYnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@libcom.com>    Beach Runner wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Ian Miller wrote: I >>>> some wild speculation from Don Jenkins of HP that there will be more  >>>> demand for VMS people >>>>8 >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/05/hp_jenkins/ >>>> >>>> If only it was true :-( >>> K >>> Jenkins, VP of marketing of BCS (oxymoron) uses the word "LEGACY"  when  >>> mentioning OpenVMS.  >>> L >>> Perhaps Mr Froble should aim his aluminium bat to Jenkins instead of me.( >> Got lotsa bats, and they're reusable. >>J >> Give it up.  I've lost any hope for VMS.  Talk is cheap, but we've beenG >> seeing HP's actions.  I have no idea where HP management thinks it's J >> going, but my suspicions are that current management worries only about< >> it's short term bonuses, golden parachutes, and now jail. >>I >> Two things went hand in hand, VMS and support.  They supplemented each K >> other.  As long as the support was there, VMS had a chance.  HP has just F >> removed the last compelling reason to choose VMS.  The day of 'goodK >> enough' has arrived.  The lowest common denominator for 'good enough' is  >> rather low. >> >> -- 7 >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 A >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  >> DFE Ultralights, Inc. >> 170 Grimplin Road >> Vanderbilt, PA  15486 > H > There will remain an inner core of excellent VMS support.  The problem > is first speaking I > to experts who will know more than you based on their several months of  > training.  >   H But there are the experienced people, and they're being dumped.  That's D the issue, not the knowledge of the replacements.  HP management is E willing to dismantle a winning team, all because of upper management  B greed.  It's all about themselves, and nothing about the customer.  B This is a one way street.  Once those people are gone, there's no , getting them back.  More burning of bridges.  C Ok, lets say you want to run a business, perhaps a small hamburger  @ stand.  If you want customers, you use the best ingredients and I preparation.  If you're greedy, you scrape up dog turds off the sidewalk  ? and put them on moldy bread.  Guess the outcome of each option.    GREED DOESN'T WORK!    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:47:39 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Advice on Alphaserver 4100 T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401BA5AE4@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: mcbill20@yahoo.com [mailto:mcbill20@yahoo.com]=20  > Sent: October 6, 2006 5:31 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: Advice on Alphaserver 4100  >=20 >=20   [snip..]   >=20= > Mostly this machine is used for home automation. It runs=20 ? > Oracle 9i and CSWS. There are several DECservers which are=20 ? > connected to DECtalk, furnace/central air, multimeter with=20 B > serial port, temperature sensors throughout the house, garage=20A > door sensor and garage door control, UPS, caller ID decoder,=20  > sprinkler controller, etc. >=20 > Bill >=20  / You may have seen this link, but just in case -   H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/license_software_programs/smarthouse1. html  E Btw - among a few other VAX's and Alpha, I also have an Alpha 4100 at G home - dual CPU/600Mhz. I was fortunate to inherit the 4100 with a fair $ amount of disk space (9G-36G drives)   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 06:53:15 -0700 # From: "Vanjkos" <vanjkos@gmail.com> T Subject: Compaq Alpahserver DS20 for sale Italy 2.5GB 550MHz 4MB L2 72GB uwSCSI raidB Message-ID: <1160315595.603616.217710@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Hi guys,? I am from Italy, iI decided to sell some equipment i don't need G anymore.I'll write down a brief description,so if you are going to need E any particular information on a specific part,or any pictures, please 8 don't hesitate to ask, I'll be glad to mail them to you!  9 I'm selling this Compaq's Alphaserver DS20 equipped with:   G - Single Digital CPU board,part number 54-24758-05.C06,(i'm not sure if > it's 500 or 550MHz), but for sure it has 4MB onboard cache L2;  F -Digital Equipment motherboard P/N 54-24756-02, S/N AY94900836, with 6 64bit PCI slots;  D -Digital SCSI Ethernet PCI controller (on PCI bus) P/N KZPCM-DX Rev. A.02 , S/N 5S05103949;  D -16x 100MHz synchronous ECC Registered 200pin ram memory modules, of which:    9 are 128MB size;5    7 are 256MB size, for a total of 2.8GB ram memory.   C -4x  18.2 GB 10.000rpm ultra wide SCSI hot swappable hard drives in  raid configuration;   E -Pre-installed VMS operating system version 7.2.I must find it, but i   have also the original licenses;   -720W power supply.   A -SCSI DAT backup unit(also a few new cartridges), and SCSI cd-rom  drive.  C If anyone is interested, i could mount a second processor board and G maybe try to find 256MB ram memory modules to swap with those of 128MB.   G For this configuration i'd ask 700 euro,but I am open to any discussion F about the price, I also know the shipping is pretty expensive for this" monster of more than 40 kilograms!   Best regards,    Mihic Vanja, Modena, Italy.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 06:58:42 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week C Message-ID: <1160315922.575301.159520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote:  >  > ...  > L > > Personally, I'm getting tired of the constant flow of lies and spin from > > politicians, MBAs and CEOs.  > I > You're only *now* 'getting tired' of this?  I guess that's a start, but I > it does make me worry about how much more time will likely have to pass G > before a sufficient percentage of the population reaches the level of J > discontent required to impel it to take some actual, effective action to > eliminate it.  > @ > My own tipping points came in 2001, with the Alphacide and itsH > accompanying corporate treachery and lies followed in quick successionD > by the blatant exploitation of 9/11 by the neocons to put in placeH > aggressive and suppressive policies they had been pushing for a decadeI > or more.  But we've hardly lacked for additional motivation since then, J > with periodic outbreaks of even more egregious corporate misbehavior andH > continual attacks on the integrity of our legal and financial systems,E > social programs, civil liberties, long-standing and carefully-built F > international institutions and cooperation, and, of course, anythingD > remotely resembling truth, let alone integrity, in government (theH > majority of national Democrats being nearly as culpable as RepublicansH > in this regard, so a simple change in party rule should it occur won't, > necessarily change matters all that much). > G > It has become increasingly difficult to avoid the conclusion that the F > vast majority of my countrymen have become utter fools and/or knavesF > (though most of the latter would have to be fools as well not to seeF > that at most a very small percentage of our population can expect toG > benefit from the on-rushing disaster being so inexorably prepared for I > us).  The idea that the loss of 0.001% of our population (less then 10% D > as many as we lose in automobile accidents each year) in a single,F > isolated attack can be used not just immediately but for a full fiveG > years now (and still counting) to terrify us into meek (and sometimes I > even apparently welcome) submission would be ludicrous if it weren't so G > disgusting - and the willingness of the rest of the world to tolerate H > our excesses during this period (plus in some cases those of their ownF > governments - this means *you*, Brits and Australians) doesn't speak > very well of them, either.  E Wow. I'm largely in agreement with you! That's scary. Not for me, but / for you! (given your oft-stated opinion of me).   > In fact, I also agree with you that your turning point was the Alphacide. (!!!)  < Seriously, you make some good points. My biggest worry about= terrorists, though, is if they ever get their hands on nukes.   I > My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with I > her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season H > 3.  That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim,J > "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatoryH > political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies > were nothing by comparison).  A Star Wars? You've got to be kidding. What a bunch of crap. Veiled D references in Star Wars? I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thruG III), but any "veiled references" were probably just you thinking about C such things while watching the movie.  I have to admit, I did enjoy F Star Wars at first, but quickly lost interest while watching Return of	 the Jedi.   C I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience 5 into silence by calling Star Wars crap. He was right.    > D > If this is the best we can do, better to let us blunder our way toH > extinction as quickly as possible to give some other species a chance.  G Well, I don't think extinction is the answer. Luckily for you, we still  disagree on some things! (!!!)   >  > - bill   AEF    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:51:52 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> = Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week ; Message-ID: <45292c87$0$5894$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   0 "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1160315922.575301.159520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Bill Todd wrote:   [...snip...]   > C > Star Wars? You've got to be kidding. What a bunch of crap. Veiled F > references in Star Wars? I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thruI > III), but any "veiled references" were probably just you thinking about E > such things while watching the movie.  I have to admit, I did enjoy H > Star Wars at first, but quickly lost interest while watching Return of > the Jedi.  >   H II and III are way better than the others. In the latest movie, Senator M Palpatine manipulates the Senate into granting him emergency powers to fight  J the clone war, then later, to become the emperor. Senator Amidala is then J over heard stating "So this is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"   > E > I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience 7 > into silence by calling Star Wars crap. He was right.  >   I I hold Harlan Ellison in high regard and hope he wasn't referring to the  M last two Star Wars movies. But I have to admit that I always thought of Star  ; Wars as a futuristic fantasy rather than a science fiction.   + p.s. he served as a consultant to Babylon 5   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 07:02:14 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) C Message-ID: <1160316134.326526.292130@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message C > news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > > Neil Rieck wrote:  > [...snip...] > > K > > My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with N > > her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season 3.F > > That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim,L > > "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatoryJ > > political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies  > > were nothing by comparison). > >  > N > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.M > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor E > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the 2 > adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion)( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 >   D Wow, we went from Carly to pure sci-fi in only 4 posts. There's warp
 speed for ya!    AEF N > Another adult sci-fi almost as good as B5 (at least on an episode-to-episodeM > comparison basis) is Firefly. The bad thing here is that only one season of  > Firefly was produced. 2 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series) >  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:24:49 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) H Message-ID: <8660a3a10610080724id266aael18c684be7dddcabb@mail.gmail.com>  * ------=_Part_142013_24788531.1160317489788; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   A On 8 Oct 2006 07:02:14 -0700, AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  >  > Neil Rieck wrote: 9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message E > > news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > > > Neil Rieck wrote:  > > [...snip...] > > > H > > > My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 > withF > > > her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of > season 3. H > > > That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim,: > > > "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as > highly-inflammatory L > > > political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies" > > > were nothing by comparison). > > >  > > G > > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever 
 > created.I > > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an  > actor G > > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the 4 > > adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion)* > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 > >  > F > Wow, we went from Carly to pure sci-fi in only 4 posts. There's warp > speed for ya!  >  > AEF = > > Another adult sci-fi almost as good as B5 (at least on an  > episode-to-episodeL > > comparison basis) is Firefly. The bad thing here is that only one season > of > > Firefly was produced. 4 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series) > >  > >  > > Neil Rieck! > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > > Ontario, Canada.% > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  >  > J Actually, comparing the Fiorina regime to science fiction doesn't seem, to$ me,  to be *that* much of a stretch.   WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   * ------=_Part_142013_24788531.1160317489788+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   B<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8 Oct 2006 07:02:14 -0700, <b class="gmail_sendername">AEF</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com">spamsink2001@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br>Neil Rieck wrote:<br>&gt; &quot;Bill Todd&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net">billtodd@metrocast.net</a>&gt; wrote in message<br>&gt; news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...<br>  &gt; &gt; Neil Rieck wrote:<br>&gt; [...snip...]<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 with<br>&gt; &gt; her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of season 3.<br>&gt; &gt; That series of episodes could not be made today:&nbsp;&nbsp;what was a grim,<br>&gt; &gt; &quot;1984&quot;-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatory<br>&gt; &gt; political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies <br>&gt; &gt; were nothing by comparison).<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever created.<br>&gt; B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an actor <br>&gt; in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the<br>&gt; adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion)<br>&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 </a><br>&gt;<br><br>Wow, we went from Carly to pure sci-fi in only 4 posts. There's warp<br>speed for ya!<br><br>AEF<br>&gt; Another adult sci-fi almost as good as B5 (at least on an episode-to-episode<br>&gt; comparison basis) is Firefly. The bad thing here is that only one season of  <br>&gt; Firefly was produced.<br>&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series)</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Neil Rieck<br>&gt; Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, <br>&gt; Ontario, Canada.<br>&gt; <a href="http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/">http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>Actually, comparing the Fiorina regime to science fiction doesn't seem, to me,&nbsp; to be *that* much of a stretch. <br><br clear="all">WWWebb<br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   , ------=_Part_142013_24788531.1160317489788--   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 08:44:42 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) C Message-ID: <1160322282.630912.317080@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    William Webb wrote: C > On 8 Oct 2006 07:02:14 -0700, AEF <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  > >  > >  > > Neil Rieck wrote: ; > > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message G > > > news:qfOdnTfEZ53Rh7jYnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > > > > Neil Rieck wrote:  > > > [...snip...] > > > > J > > > > My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 > > withH > > > > her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of
 > > season 3. J > > > > That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim,< > > > > "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as > > highly-inflammatory N > > > > political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies$ > > > > were nothing by comparison). > > > >  > > > I > > > I consider Babylon-5 one of the best science fiction TV series ever  > > created.K > > > B5 didn't always have the best visual effects (to me, Kosh is just an 	 > > actor I > > > in a shower curtain) but they were sufficiently good to support the 6 > > > adult-targeted writing. (at least in my opinion), > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5 > > >  > > H > > Wow, we went from Carly to pure sci-fi in only 4 posts. There's warp > > speed for ya!  > >  > > AEF ? > > > Another adult sci-fi almost as good as B5 (at least on an  > > episode-to-episodeN > > > comparison basis) is Firefly. The bad thing here is that only one season > > of > > > Firefly was produced. 6 > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series) > > >  > > >  > > > Neil Rieck# > > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > > > Ontario, Canada.' > > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  > >  > > L > Actually, comparing the Fiorina regime to science fiction doesn't seem, to& > me,  to be *that* much of a stretch. >  > WWWebb > -- > Ajilon Consulting  > Site resident at > Quest Diagnostics ? > first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   " On second thought, you're right!!!   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:13:39 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-D50E98.18133908102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>   In article  = <8660a3a10610080724id266aael18c684be7dddcabb@mail.gmail.com>, 1  "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:    > > L > Actually, comparing the Fiorina regime to science fiction doesn't seem, to& > me,  to be *that* much of a stretch. >    :-)   F Changing the subject briefly to Star Trek (does this constitute Topic 	 Warp?)...   ! "Star Trek sale stuns auctioneers    G A model of the Starship Enterprise has sold for $576,000 (308,000) at  ? an auction of memorabilia from 40 years of the science fiction   television series.    D Before the sale, Christie's auction house in New York estimated the . model would sell for about $30,000 (16,000)."    / http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4801631.stm    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 09:42:51 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) C Message-ID: <1160325771.569347.311430@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Paul Sture wrote:  > In article? > <8660a3a10610080724id266aael18c684be7dddcabb@mail.gmail.com>, 3 >  "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:  >  > > > L > > Actually, comparing the Fiorina regime to science fiction doesn't seem,=  to ( > > me,  to be *that* much of a stretch. > >  >  > :-)  > G > Changing the subject briefly to Star Trek (does this constitute Topic  > Warp?)...  > # > "Star Trek sale stuns auctioneers  > J > A model of the Starship Enterprise has sold for $576,000 (=A3308,000) at@ > an auction of memorabilia from 40 years of the science fiction > television series. > E > Before the sale, Christie's auction house in New York estimated the 2 > model would sell for about $30,000 (=A316,000)." >  > 1 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4801631.stm  >  > -- > Paul Sture  @ Wow. NBC seriously underestimated the value of Star Trek when itG canceled it (TOS - The Original Series). And now it happens again. Even , so, half-a-million dollars for a model? Wow.   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2006 04:11:54 -0700 / From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: USB hampster A Message-ID: <1160305914.303480.75710@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    David,  . > Just wondering what a "hampster" might be... > # > Is that a hamster from Hampshire?   A http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/04/the-usb-powered-hamster-wheel/    Volker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:19:26 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: USB hampster J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-54A873.16192608102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  0 In article <452717A0.E814E1ED@spam.comcast.net>,5  David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:    > Forrest Kenney wrote:  > > I > >         Before someone asks YES I have seen the USB hampster.  [snip]  > . > Just wondering what a "hampster" might be... > # > Is that a hamster from Hampshire?   + I thought one of those would be a Hantster.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2006 23:11:50 -0700 - From: "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> : Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?C Message-ID: <1160287910.837941.280570@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: K > > Yeah, but let us not forget that we'd still be with Compaq ignoring VMS A > > were it not for those without the names Hewlett or Packard...  > > 	 > > Steve  > >  > > Bob Koehler wrote:Z > >> In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: > >>B > >>> Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors; > >>> should fire the entire HP board and start over clean. M > >>    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard  > >>    on it? > >>I > >>    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for 1 > >>    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?  > >  > - > Compaq didn't gut the support organization.  > 5 > Perhaps they just didn't have enough time to do so.  >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486   * HP has been murdering VMS since it got it.  D VMS is something holy, it should only be owned by ethical companies.> It was amazing to hear Dunn's excuse on the TV.   Allthe other companies are doing it. 4 That excuse didn't fly for my son when he was a kid.  F As I register my personal products, it says HP is proud of the respect of privacy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:59:52 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG: Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?0 Message-ID: <00A5CE40.94E3ED48@SendSpamHere.ORG>  s In article <1160287910.837941.280570@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Beach Runner" <Bob4Health@hotmail.com> writes: G >As I register my personal products, it says HP is proud of the respect  >of privacy.  % ... but doesn't say they'll honor it.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:03:33 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: Who pays court costs for HP's accused felons?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10610080703i7bc05aa3m979e2d1d402bb397@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_141813_7232653.1160316213839 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   + On 6 Oct 2006 07:46:27 -0500, Bob Koehler < / koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  > < > In article <eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu>, David Mathog < > mathog@caltech.edu> writes:  > @ > > Egads what a slime pit this is.  The institutional investors9 > > should fire the entire HP board and start over clean.  > J >    Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard >    on it?  > F >    Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for. >    what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)? >  >  I nominate Sue.    WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_141813_7232653.1160316213839 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline    <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6 Oct 2006 07:46:27 -0500, <b class="gmail_sendername">Bob Koehler</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org">koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org</a>&gt; wrote: </span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">In article &lt;<a href="mailto:eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu">eg1ekp$qhe$1@naig.caltech.edu  </a>&gt;, David Mathog &lt;<a href="mailto:mathog@caltech.edu">mathog@caltech.edu</a>&gt; writes:<br><br>&gt; Egads what a slime pit this is.&nbsp;&nbsp;The institutional investors<br>&gt; should fire the entire HP board and start over clean.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe they could put together a board with a Hewlett and/or a Packard<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; on it?<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Somebody for whom the initials HP are more than a just a clue for<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; what to look for on a stock ticker (HPQ)?<br>  <br></blockquote></div><br>I nominate Sue.<br><br>WWWebb<br><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_141813_7232653.1160316213839--    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.553 ************************