1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 561       Contents:  Re: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS?  Re: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS?@ Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac?@ Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac?@ Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac?@ Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac?@ Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Bumper stickers for VMS J Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytesP Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytes 32767P Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytes bytes Re: Death of VMS6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set?6 Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? It's a Wolf! a WOLF! A WOOLUFF! # Re: It's a Wolf! a WOLF! A WOOLUFF! H Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week)H OT: for the serious computer hobbyist - UniVac Factronic Computer System Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS Question about FTP and quotas  Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes Try COPY First Try COPY First  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start Re: VMS Support in India Re: VMS Support in India Re: VMS Support in India Re: VMS Support in India Re: VMS Support in India Re: VMS VS LINUX Re: VMS VS LINUX Re: VMS VS LINUX Re: VMS VS LINUX what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS  Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS  Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS  Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:37:22 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ) Subject: Re: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS? ; Message-ID: <452e0c96$0$5938$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   . "kczwei" <kaycee@kaycee.net> wrote in message = news:1160576136.513861.292490@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >> Neil Rieck wrote: [...snip...] > H > I have not recieived my regular distribution either.  I started askingG > email questions about 2-3 weeks ago and was getting nowhere.  So this I > week I started calling different departments of HP.  I have 3 different 
 > answers. > I > The contract people say that my annual renewal contract DID change this G > year because HP no longer offers the automatic media distribution, so I > they lowered my price.    Please login to ITRC and download VMS and ALL C > the layered products.  I tried and it says i've not paid for that 
 > service. >   J They no longer offer automatic media distribution? That was one reason we L signed up for software support. Corporately speaking, we need to go through M a major inquisition process every time we made a CDROM purchase. We only had  K to do this once to get the software support contract (even though the bill   came annually)   > D > 1-800-VMS-HELP says they know nothing about VMS media, nor nothingE > about my contract, and not much about how to direct my call for VMS > > help.  Please login to hp.com and look for the support page! > H > DSPP says alpha distribution is not part of DSPP,  just call and orderD > the media.  At least they gave me a valid number to order and knewB > immediately what i was looking for.  And they knew what VMS was. > I > And one department has emailed back and said for some reason your media > > distribution is not on your contract, we need to put it backI > on.....which i'm willing to pay for, and have paid for many years.  But H > this department is in contention with the other contract administrator. > that says this service is no longer offered. > I > Thankfully, I'm in no rush.  Usually this media comes too often, annual > > distribution would probably be better than quarterly for me. >   K Yikes! I'm now starting to think that my ROMs might be on a slow boat from   India.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:03:32 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com) Subject: Re: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS? Q Message-ID: <OFEF98C9C6.FD270DD8-ON85257205.0057E082-85257205.0058370A@metso.com>   + This is a multipart message in MIME format. " --=_alternative 0058370585257205_=, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  D "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote on 10/12/2006 05:37:22 AM:   > 0 > "kczwei" <kaycee@kaycee.net> wrote in message ? > news:1160576136.513861.292490@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > >> Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...] > > J > > I have not recieived my regular distribution either.  I started askingI > > email questions about 2-3 weeks ago and was getting nowhere.  So this B > > week I started calling different departments of HP.  I have 3 	 different  > > answers. > > G > > The contract people say that my annual renewal contract DID change   thisI > > year because HP no longer offers the automatic media distribution, so H > > they lowered my price.    Please login to ITRC and download VMS and  ALL E > > the layered products.  I tried and it says i've not paid for that  > > service. > >  > I > They no longer offer automatic media distribution? That was one reason   we  F > signed up for software support. Corporately speaking, we need to go  through K > a major inquisition process every time we made a CDROM purchase. We only   had H > to do this once to get the software support contract (even though the  bill   > came annually) >   I I'm just and end-user support customer, but I still get the SPLs for VAX   and B Alpha quarterly on my contract. These people must have some other 
 (failing) 
 arrangements.    > > F > > 1-800-VMS-HELP says they know nothing about VMS media, nor nothingG > > about my contract, and not much about how to direct my call for VMS @ > > help.  Please login to hp.com and look for the support page! > > J > > DSPP says alpha distribution is not part of DSPP,  just call and orderF > > the media.  At least they gave me a valid number to order and knewD > > immediately what i was looking for.  And they knew what VMS was. > > F > > And one department has emailed back and said for some reason your  media @ > > distribution is not on your contract, we need to put it backJ > > on.....which i'm willing to pay for, and have paid for many years. ButJ > > this department is in contention with the other contract administrator0 > > that says this service is no longer offered. > > E > > Thankfully, I'm in no rush.  Usually this media comes too often,   annual@ > > distribution would probably be better than quarterly for me. > >  > H > Yikes! I'm now starting to think that my ROMs might be on a slow boat  from   > India.  J Mine still come out of N.H.  (Let's leave the knock on India to reality.)    >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html< > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html  >  >   " --=_alternative 0058370585257205_=+ Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"      <br>H <br><font size=2><tt>&quot;Neil Rieck&quot; &lt;n.rieck@sympatico.ca&gt;$ wrote on 10/12/2006 05:37:22 AM:<br> <br>	 &gt; <br> G &gt; &quot;kczwei&quot; &lt;kaycee@kaycee.net&gt; wrote in message <br> F &gt; news:1160576136.513861.292490@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...<br># &gt; &gt;&gt; Neil Rieck wrote:<br>  &gt; [...snip...]<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> F &gt; &gt; I have not recieived my regular distribution either. &nbsp;I started asking<br>F &gt; &gt; email questions about 2-3 weeks ago and was getting nowhere. &nbsp;So this<br> J &gt; &gt; week I started calling different departments of HP. &nbsp;I have 3 different<br>  &gt; &gt; answers.<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> L &gt; &gt; The contract people say that my annual renewal contract DID change this<br>L &gt; &gt; year because HP no longer offers the automatic media distribution, so<br>F &gt; &gt; they lowered my price. &nbsp; &nbsp;Please login to ITRC and download VMS and ALL<br>G &gt; &gt; the layered products. &nbsp;I tried and it says i've not paid  for that<br> &gt; &gt; service.<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> 	 &gt; <br> K &gt; They no longer offer automatic media distribution? That was one reason  we <br> H &gt; signed up for software support. Corporately speaking, we need to go through <br>H &gt; a major inquisition process every time we made a CDROM purchase. We
 only had <br> F &gt; to do this once to get the software support contract (even though
 the bill <br>  &gt; came annually)<br> 	 &gt; <br>  </tt></font>H <br><font size=2><tt>I'm just and end-user support customer, but I still% get the SPLs for VAX and </tt></font> F <br><font size=2><tt>Alpha quarterly on my contract. These people must& have some other (failing) </tt></font>. <br><font size=2><tt>arrangements.</tt></font> <br>" <br><font size=2><tt>&gt; &gt;<br>P &gt; &gt; 1-800-VMS-HELP says they know nothing about VMS media, nor nothing<br>I &gt; &gt; about my contract, and not much about how to direct my call for  VMS<br> O &gt; &gt; help. &nbsp;Please login to hp.com and look for the support page!<br> 
 &gt; &gt;<br> F &gt; &gt; DSPP says alpha distribution is not part of DSPP, &nbsp;just call and order<br>H &gt; &gt; the media. &nbsp;At least they gave me a valid number to order and knew<br>F &gt; &gt; immediately what i was looking for. &nbsp;And they knew what VMS was.<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> F &gt; &gt; And one department has emailed back and said for some reason your media<br>J &gt; &gt; distribution is not on your contract, we need to put it back<br>L &gt; &gt; on.....which i'm willing to pay for, and have paid for many years.
 &nbsp;But<br> T &gt; &gt; this department is in contention with the other contract administrator<br>: &gt; &gt; that says this service is no longer offered.<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> H &gt; &gt; Thankfully, I'm in no rush. &nbsp;Usually this media comes too often, annual<br> J &gt; &gt; distribution would probably be better than quarterly for me.<br>
 &gt; &gt;<br> 	 &gt; <br> J &gt; Yikes! I'm now starting to think that my ROMs might be on a slow boat	 from <br>  &gt; India.</tt></font>  <br>G <br><font size=2><tt>Mine still come out of N.H. &nbsp;(Let's leave the ( knock on India to reality.) </tt></font> <br><font size=2><tt><br> 	 &gt; <br>  &gt; Neil Rieck<br> & &gt; Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,<br> &gt; Ontario, Canada.<br> A &gt; http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html<br> C &gt; http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html <br> 	 &gt; <br> 	 &gt; <br>  </tt></font>$ --=_alternative 0058370585257205_=--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:59:58 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <nospam@vsm.com.au> I Subject: Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? ) Message-ID: <452DE0E6.8030001@vsm.com.au>    Dave,   K I use Thunderbird on my Mac with PMDF's IMAP server on my VMS system.  For  G large volumes of mail in VMS MAIL folders, PMDF is the best way to go.  G There are IMAP servers with UCX, MultiNet and TCPware but all fail the   stress test.  H My only gripe with Thunderbird is that it won't use the Mac AddressBook.  M My big gripe with Mac Mail is that it's way too aggressive in its polling of  J the IMAP server: it wants to scan every mail folder for unread mail.  (If K someone knows how to make it stop doing that, I'd love to know the secret!)   I It's a long time since I've used Eudora for Mac so I won't comment on it.   J I can't recommend Entourage (part of MS Office) because its observance of L IMAP standards is vague at best.  Usually this manifests itself in the form F of missing or duplicate messages in the message list within a foldder.   Regards,   	Jeremy Begg- 	(replace nospam by jeremy for email address)    Dave Spencer wrote: W > Folks, I've got email in my personal account on OpenVMS that goes all the way back to V > the 80's. I'm considering transfering it all somehow to my personal computer - a Mac > running OS X.  > W > Naturally, I've got thousands and thousands of messages, all of which are filed using Y > VMSmail. And of course, I've taken advantage of all the features of VMSmail and created Y > a number of mail files as "cabinets" with meaningful names such as auctions, merchants, X > business, etc. each of which having many folders that further categorize the nature or > purpose of the message.  > W > I've been using the Mac's Mail app for some time as a temporary tool for emailing out W > files to people as attachments as well as reading HTML-based email messages. While it Z > works very well, it's a little light in the area of providing a strong filing mechanism.] > Yes, you can create folders; but I have so much stuff filed in so many folders that I would \ > be looking at hundreds of folders in a very lengthy list. Not good enough for my purposes. > [ > So it comes down to two issues. Is somebody aware of a good email client for the Mac that Z > will handle the volume of email that I have? And once I find a client, how on earth am IF > going to transfer all that email off of my VMS box and onto the Mac? >  > Suggestions??  >  > Thanks in advance, >  >  > -- Dave Spencer    --       ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:37:34 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)I Subject: Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? $ Message-ID: <egkrbu$htq$1@online.de>  F In article <111020062209308840%spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com>, Dave3 Spencer <spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com> writes:    G > Folks, I've got email in my personal account on OpenVMS that goes all I > the way back to the 80's. I'm considering transfering it all somehow to - > my personal computer - a Mac running OS X.    F Why not learn TECO at the same time?  The code below will convert fromE unix-style mail to VMS MAIL; changing the code so that it converts to F from VMS MAIL to MAC-style mail is left as an exercise to the reader.    Newsgroups: comp.os.vms / From: morris (at) mv.mv.com (Skipper W. Morris) - Subject: Tool to convert U**x mail to VMSMail " Message-ID: <DK8E95.Dt1@mv.mv.com>% Organization: MV Communications, Inc. # Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 06:05:28 GMT 
 Lines: 241   VMS Mail lovers,I         I worked up the little gem below after another frustrating day of L trying to find a reasonable way to deal with lots of mail.  It converts U**X5 mail file folders to VMS mail files/folders/messages. 8         Bug reports/fixes/comments/etc, are appreciated.-                                         enjoy <                                                 /Skip Morris         N ----------------------------------cut here------------------------------------ $ set noon						! 'f$verify(0)'  $!+ I $! CONVERT_MAIL.COM V1.0, Skip Morris, "morris (at) mv.mv.com", 26-Dec-95  $!    Input paramters:( $!	P1 = The file(s) you want to convert. $!	P2 = Output VMS Mail file. D $!	P3 = VMS Mail folder to store mail (defaults to input file name).7 $!      P4 = if nonnull then only convert to Mail11 V3. 7 $!    Wildcard directory/filename inputs are permitted.  $!    Use from batch by:B $!      "$ submit convert_mail /param="DISK$FOO:[SOURCE...]*.txt;"D $!    Max supported message count per input file is 16,777,215 sinceH $!      that's all that could fit in the available return status fields.M $!    Any '"' char's in personal name are blown away as VMSMail barfs on 'em. H $!    Any special char's in addresses string cause address to be quoted.M $!    Warning!! properly formatted unix mail file assumed. Not much checking.  $!-  $ default = f$envi("procedure") L $ if f$parse(p1,,,"name") + f$parse(p1,,,"type") + f$parse(p1,,,"version") -K     .eqs. ".;" then p1 = p1 + "*.*;" ! cause directory input to be wildcard  $ search_file = f$parse(p1) D $ wildcard = f$loca("*",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file) .or. -;     f$loca("%",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file) .or. - 6     f$loca("...",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file)* $ output_file = f$parse(p2,"mail.mai;",p1)M $ temp_file = f$parse("mail_"+f$getjpi("","pid")+".tmp;",output_file,default)  $ v3only = p4 .nes. "" $main_loop: $ $ input_file = f$search(search_file) $ if input_file .nes. "" $  then G $   write sys$output "Converting ",input_file," to Maill11V3 format..." ) $   folder = f$parse(input_file,,,"name") 3 $   call convert_unix_mail 'input_file' 'temp_file' C $     ! return status has line count encoded in return status value . $   msg_count = ($status .and. %x07fffff8) / 8 $   if .not. v3only 	 $    then K $     write sys$output f$fao("Converting to ISAM file !AS folder !AS...", -          output_file,folder) > $     call convert_vms_mail 'temp_file' 'output_file' 'folder' $     delete 'temp_file'	 $    else < $     write sys$output f$fao("New file is !AS.",output_file)& $     rename 'temp_file' 'output_file'
 $    endifK $   write sys$output f$fao("...done, !ZL message!%S processed.",msg_count)  # $   if wildcard then goto main_loop  $  endif $ exit $! $CONVERT_VMS_MAIL: SUBROUTINE N $ tempcom = f$parse("mail-"+f$getjpi("","pid")+".tmp;",p2,f$envi("procedure")) $ create 'tempcom' $ open/append file 'tempcom' $ write file "$ mail"  $ write file "set file ",p1 / $ write file "copy/all ",p3," ",p2,"/noconfirm"  $ write file "exit"  $ close file $ @'tempcom' $ delete 'tempcom' $ exit $ENDSUBROUTINE $! $CONVERT_UNIX_MAIL: SUBROUTINE $ teco = "$teco32 teco" ( $ unix_mail_file = f$search(f$parse(p1))* $   if unix_mail_file .eqs. "" then exit 4 $ temp_file = f$parse(p2) % $   if temp_file .eqs. "" then exit 4  $!= $ if f$trnlnm("tec$memory") .nes. "" then deassign tec$memory & $ assign/user 'unix_mail_file' mail$in" $ assign/user 'temp_file' mail$outM $ assign/user _nla0: sys$output ! comment this line out to vfy teco execution  $ define/user tec$init "96ee"  $ tecoJ ! goto top, case match exact, load <cr><lf> qu, qt tokens illegal Mail-11!L j1^x13^uu`10:^uu`^ut-`              ! Add illegal in "From:" after "-" char!L 9^uv`32:^uv`13:^uv`:^uv.:%@!^=/[]`  ! qv contains sendmail delimiter tokens!  ? ermail$in`ewmail$out`               ! open input, output files!    !main loop for each msg!H <%q                                 ! start loop, increment msg counter!C   b,.pb,.ka                         !   page out previous, get new! A   12i`                              !   insert <ff> at msg start! <   .ua                               !   store msg top in qa!;   s^el^equ`                         !   srch 1 blank lines! @   .ub                               !   store end of headers qb!F   qajl2r                            !   go end of initial "From" line!7   .-4,.xm                           !   get year in qm! H   5r.uc                             !   qc at end of timezone/timeofday!F   r-s `::s^ea`"s2r.ucr-s `'         !   if alpha timezone then backup!7   .,qcxn                            !   get time in qn! E   .-1uc-2s `.,qcxo                  !   1-2 digit day-of-month in qo! =   3r-s `                            !   go to start of month! 8   .,.+3xp                           !   get month in qp!?   qaj                               !   search "From: " header! 6   qb-qa,:s^elFrom: `"s              !   if successful!A     -d9i`                           !   then change space to tab! ;     0l1xlkqajgl-l                   !     move line to top! C     6c.uc                           !     save start of address qc! F     0,0xc0,0xl                      !     init qc(pers nam), ql(addr)!D     0a-34"e                         !     if 'From: "pp" <aa>' sntx!>       c1:fb" `"s                    !     then if ending '" '!F         1:fb<`"s                    !       then if find starting '<'!G           1:fb>`"s                  !         then if ending '>' found! H             qcj                     !           then go start pers name!O             dqb-1ub                 !             delete leading '"', fixup qb! O             s"`-dqb-1ub             !             find ending '"', del, fix qb! E             qc,.xc                  !             store pers name qc! A             qc,.k                   !             kill pers name! M             dqb-1ub                 !             delete space end pers name! O             s<`-dqb-1ub.ud          !             find starting '<' and delete! M             s>`-dqb-1ub             !             find ending '>' and delete! L             qd,.xlqd,.k             !             store addr in ql and kill!N           |46^t.:=69^t1:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, out err msg!6           '                         !           endif!4         '                           !         endif!O       | 1:fb"`"s                    !       else if 'From: "aa"aa (pp)' syntax! ;           1:fb (`"s                 !         then if ' ('! I             1:fb)`"s                !           then if ending ')' found! E               qcj                   !             then go start addr! H               s (`-2dqb-2ub         !               delete ' (', fix qb!H               qc,.xlqc,.k           !               put addr ql, delete!P               s)`-dqb-1ud           !               go end pers, del ')', fx qb!M               qc,.xcqc,.k           !               put pers name qc, delete! P             |46^t.:=69^t2:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, out err msg!8             '                       !             endif!P           |qcjl2rqc,.xlqc,.k0,0xc   !           else assume 'From: "aa"aa' sntx!6           '                         !           endif!O         |46^t.:=69^t3:=77^tqq=0tt   !         else bad msg fmt, output err msg! 4         '                           !         endif!2       '                             !       endif!P     | 1:fb <`"s                     !     else if 'From: pp <aa>' sntx, if ' <'!E         1:fb>`"s                    !       then if ending '>' found! F           qcj                       !         then go start pers name!N           s <`-2dqb-2ub             !           find starting ' <' and delete!C           qc,.xc                    !           store pers name qc! ?           qc,.k                     !           kill pers name! K           s>`-dqb-1ub               !           find ending '>' and delete! J           qc,.xlqc,.k               !           store addr in ql and kill!O         |46^t.:=69^t4:=77^tqq=0tt   !         else bad msg fmt, output err msg! 4         '                           !         endif!1       |                             !       else! N         1:fb (`"s                   !         if 'From: aa (pp) sntx, if ' ('!G           1:fb)`"s                  !         then if ending ')' found! C             qcj                     !           then go start addr! F             s (`-2dqb-2ub           !             delete ' (', fix qb!F             qc,.xlqc,.k             !             put addr ql, delete!O             s)`-dqb-1ud             !             go end pers, del ')', fix qb! K             qc,.xcqc,.k             !             put pers name qc, delete! P           |46^t.:=69^t5:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, outpt err msg!6           '                         !           endif!K         |qcj                        !         else assume single addr case! I           ::s<`"s-ds>`-dqb-2ub'     !           handle case 'From: <aa>'! I             l2rqc,.xlqc,.k0,0xc     !           assume 'From: aa' syntax! 4         '                           !         endif!2       '                             !       endif!0     '                               !     endif!F     qcjgl.ud                        !     go end "From:", insert addr!G     qcj<qd-.,s^egt`;                !     loop find illegal chars addr! K       -s^egv`i"`s^egt`              !       quote previous delimiter token! P       s^egv`ri"`qb+2ubqd+2ud        !       quote next sendmail delimiter token!5       >                             !       end loop! ?     :qc"g                           !     if pers name nonnull! E       qdji `qb+1ub                  !     then insrt space delimiter! D       i"`gci"`qb+2ub                !       insrt pers nam w/quotes!0     '                               !     endif!B   |qajiFrom:`9i`                    !   else insrt "From:" anyway!L     i"<unknown>"`13i`10i`qb+19ub    !     create "<unknown>" from, fixup qb!.   '                                 !   endif!>   qajqb-qa,:s^elTo: `"s             !   if 'To:' header found!>     -d9i`                           !   then chg space to tab!K     l::s `"s-3dqb-3ub               !     if additional 'To:' header lines! L       <::s `;-dqb-1ub>i `qb+1ub     !     then append & kill leading spaces!L       l::fs   `To:`                 !       Add 'To:' hdr if more addressee!0     '                               !     endif!E     -l1xlkqajlgl                    !     move 'To:' line to new loc! @   |qajliTo:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+6ub     !   else insert empty 'To:'!.   '                                 !   endif!  >   qajqb-qa,:s^elCc: `"s             !   if 'Cc:' header found!;     -3diC:`9i`                      !   then do same stuff! K     l::s `"s-3dqb-3ub               !     if additional 'Cc:' header lines! L       <::s `;-dqb-1ub>i `qb+1ub     !     then append & kill leading spaces!L       l::fs   `Cc:`                 !       Add 'Cc:' hdr if more addressee!0     '                               !     endif!     -l1xlkqaj2lgl @   |qaj2liCC:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+6ub    !   else insert empty 'CC:'!.   '                                 !   endif!  <   qajqb-qa,:s^elSubject: `"s        !   if 'Subject:' found!9     -5di:`9i`qb-3ub                 !   then do it again! M     <::s `"u0;'-dqb-1ub>            !     delete leading spaces in Subj line! K     0l1xlkqaj3lgl                   !     move Subj line to Mail-11 header! -   |qaj3liSubj:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+8ub  !   else! .   '                                 !   endif!  >   13i`10i`qb+1ub                    ! mark end of Mail-11 hdr!=   qajl2r                            ! goto end of From: line! =   .uc                               ! mark current pos in qc! B   i  `goi-`gp                       ! insert timestmp dlmtr,yy,mm!3   3r0a&223i`d0a&223i`d0a&223i`d     ! upcase month! <   i-`gmi `gn                        ! add rest of timestamp!/   .-qc+qbub                         ! fixup qb! :   qbj-l                             ! goto end of headers!  >   <n^el^equ`;                       ! loop to find blank line!O     .-z"ea'::sFrom `"s0l0;'         !   if endbuff append, if newmsg exit loop! I     ::s>From `"sfrFrom `|-l'>       !   replace '>From ' hack, next loop! D   ::sFrom `;0l                      ! exit loop if no more messages!4 >``                                 ! end main loop!  = !erase buffer, load local DCL symbol "c_line_count" with line >   count by: creating appropriate teco command, loading it in Q   register A, and executing it! ( ji:egsym msg_count `qq\27i`b,.xab,.kma``  7 ex``                                ! exit with status!  $!H $! exit and (hack alert) pass back count as part of return status in theL $! facility number and message number fields (set the suppress msg, customerE $! specific, and success status bits just to be politically correct). ? $ if f$inte(msg_count) .le. %x07fffff8/8		! 16777215 in decimal 0 $  then exit (f$inte(msg_count)*8).or.%x18000003) $  else exit 1						! pass back count = 0  $  endif $ENDSUBROUTINE   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:05:30 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? 3 Message-ID: <TrEQuZg9qAUI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   y In article <111020062209308840%spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com>, Dave Spencer <spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com> writes:  > [ > So it comes down to two issues. Is somebody aware of a good email client for the Mac that Z > will handle the volume of email that I have? And once I find a client, how on earth am IF > going to transfer all that email off of my VMS box and onto the Mac?  B    SIMH will compile and run under OS X.  Then you do the obvious.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:01:37 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> I Subject: Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-3B09FF.16013712102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <TrEQuZg9qAUI@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   I > In article <111020062209308840%spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com>, Dave  4 > Spencer <spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com> writes: > > M > > So it comes down to two issues. Is somebody aware of a good email client   > > for the Mac thatO > > will handle the volume of email that I have? And once I find a client, how   > > on earth am I H > > going to transfer all that email off of my VMS box and onto the Mac? > D >    SIMH will compile and run under OS X.  Then you do the obvious.  # LOL. The simple solutions are best.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:54:57 GMT 5 From: Dave Spencer <spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com> I Subject: Re: Best way to get my email archive out of VMS and onto my Mac? A Message-ID: <121020060854562485%spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com>   q Actually there was a day (about 25 years ago) when I was highly proficient in TECO. But those were RSTS/E days...   q I like Jeremy Begg's suggestion best. I've already got Multinet and am willing to stress my server for a while if ; it will get my email over. Thanks for the suggestions guys!      -- Dave   v In article <egkrbu$htq$1@online.de>, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  H > In article <111020062209308840%spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com>, Dave5 > Spencer <spencer@removeme.pageweavers.com> writes:   > I > > Folks, I've got email in my personal account on OpenVMS that goes all K > > the way back to the 80's. I'm considering transfering it all somehow to / > > my personal computer - a Mac running OS X.   > H > Why not learn TECO at the same time?  The code below will convert fromG > unix-style mail to VMS MAIL; changing the code so that it converts to H > from VMS MAIL to MAC-style mail is left as an exercise to the reader.  >  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 1 > From: morris (at) mv.mv.com (Skipper W. Morris) / > Subject: Tool to convert U**x mail to VMSMail $ > Message-ID: <DK8E95.Dt1@mv.mv.com>' > Organization: MV Communications, Inc. % > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 06:05:28 GMT  > Lines: 241 >  > VMS Mail lovers,K >         I worked up the little gem below after another frustrating day of N > trying to find a reasonable way to deal with lots of mail.  It converts U**X7 > mail file folders to VMS mail files/folders/messages. : >         Bug reports/fixes/comments/etc, are appreciated./ >                                         enjoy > >                                                 /Skip Morris
 >         P > ----------------------------------cut here------------------------------------- > $ set noon                  ! 'f$verify(0)'  > $!+ K > $! CONVERT_MAIL.COM V1.0, Skip Morris, "morris (at) mv.mv.com", 26-Dec-95  > $!    Input paramters:+ > $!  P1 = The file(s) you want to convert.   > $!  P2 = Output VMS Mail file.G > $!  P3 = VMS Mail folder to store mail (defaults to input file name). 9 > $!      P4 = if nonnull then only convert to Mail11 V3. 9 > $!    Wildcard directory/filename inputs are permitted.  > $!    Use from batch by:D > $!      "$ submit convert_mail /param="DISK$FOO:[SOURCE...]*.txt;"F > $!    Max supported message count per input file is 16,777,215 sinceJ > $!      that's all that could fit in the available return status fields.O > $!    Any '"' char's in personal name are blown away as VMSMail barfs on 'em. J > $!    Any special char's in addresses string cause address to be quoted.O > $!    Warning!! properly formatted unix mail file assumed. Not much checking.  > $!- ! > $ default = f$envi("procedure") N > $ if f$parse(p1,,,"name") + f$parse(p1,,,"type") + f$parse(p1,,,"version") -M >     .eqs. ".;" then p1 = p1 + "*.*;" ! cause directory input to be wildcard  > $ search_file = f$parse(p1) F > $ wildcard = f$loca("*",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file) .or. -= >     f$loca("%",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file) .or. - 8 >     f$loca("...",search_file) .ne. f$leng(search_file), > $ output_file = f$parse(p2,"mail.mai;",p1)O > $ temp_file = f$parse("mail_"+f$getjpi("","pid")+".tmp;",output_file,default)  > $ v3only = p4 .nes. ""
 > $main_loop: & > $ input_file = f$search(search_file) > $ if input_file .nes. ""	 > $  then I > $   write sys$output "Converting ",input_file," to Maill11V3 format..." + > $   folder = f$parse(input_file,,,"name") 5 > $   call convert_unix_mail 'input_file' 'temp_file' E > $     ! return status has line count encoded in return status value 0 > $   msg_count = ($status .and. %x07fffff8) / 8 > $   if .not. v3only  > $    then M > $     write sys$output f$fao("Converting to ISAM file !AS folder !AS...", -  >         output_file,folder) @ > $     call convert_vms_mail 'temp_file' 'output_file' 'folder' > $     delete 'temp_file' > $    else > > $     write sys$output f$fao("New file is !AS.",output_file)( > $     rename 'temp_file' 'output_file' > $    endifM > $   write sys$output f$fao("...done, !ZL message!%S processed.",msg_count)  % > $   if wildcard then goto main_loop 
 > $  endif > $ exit > $! > $CONVERT_VMS_MAIL: SUBROUTINE P > $ tempcom = f$parse("mail-"+f$getjpi("","pid")+".tmp;",p2,f$envi("procedure")) > $ create 'tempcom' > $ open/append file 'tempcom' > $ write file "$ mail"  > $ write file "set file ",p1 1 > $ write file "copy/all ",p3," ",p2,"/noconfirm"  > $ write file "exit"  > $ close file > $ @'tempcom' > $ delete 'tempcom' > $ exit > $ENDSUBROUTINE > $!  > $CONVERT_UNIX_MAIL: SUBROUTINE > $ teco = "$teco32 teco" * > $ unix_mail_file = f$search(f$parse(p1)), > $   if unix_mail_file .eqs. "" then exit 4 > $ temp_file = f$parse(p2) ' > $   if temp_file .eqs. "" then exit 4  > $!? > $ if f$trnlnm("tec$memory") .nes. "" then deassign tec$memory ( > $ assign/user 'unix_mail_file' mail$in$ > $ assign/user 'temp_file' mail$outO > $ assign/user _nla0: sys$output ! comment this line out to vfy teco execution  > $ define/user tec$init "96ee"  > $ tecoL > ! goto top, case match exact, load <cr><lf> qu, qt tokens illegal Mail-11!N > j1^x13^uu`10:^uu`^ut-`              ! Add illegal in "From:" after "-" char!N > 9^uv`32:^uv`13:^uv`:^uv.:%@!^=/[]`  ! qv contains sendmail delimiter tokens! > A > ermail$in`ewmail$out`               ! open input, output files!  >  > !main loop for each msg!J > <%q                                 ! start loop, increment msg counter!E >   b,.pb,.ka                         !   page out previous, get new! C >   12i`                              !   insert <ff> at msg start! > >   .ua                               !   store msg top in qa!= >   s^el^equ`                         !   srch 1 blank lines! B >   .ub                               !   store end of headers qb!H >   qajl2r                            !   go end of initial "From" line!9 >   .-4,.xm                           !   get year in qm! J >   5r.uc                             !   qc at end of timezone/timeofday!H >   r-s `::s^ea`"s2r.ucr-s `'         !   if alpha timezone then backup!9 >   .,qcxn                            !   get time in qn! G >   .-1uc-2s `.,qcxo                  !   1-2 digit day-of-month in qo! ? >   3r-s `                            !   go to start of month! : >   .,.+3xp                           !   get month in qp!A >   qaj                               !   search "From: " header! 8 >   qb-qa,:s^elFrom: `"s              !   if successful!C >     -d9i`                           !   then change space to tab! = >     0l1xlkqajgl-l                   !     move line to top! E >     6c.uc                           !     save start of address qc! H >     0,0xc0,0xl                      !     init qc(pers nam), ql(addr)!F >     0a-34"e                         !     if 'From: "pp" <aa>' sntx!@ >       c1:fb" `"s                    !     then if ending '" '!H >         1:fb<`"s                    !       then if find starting '<'!I >           1:fb>`"s                  !         then if ending '>' found! J >             qcj                     !           then go start pers name!Q >             dqb-1ub                 !             delete leading '"', fixup qb! Q >             s"`-dqb-1ub             !             find ending '"', del, fix qb! G >             qc,.xc                  !             store pers name qc! C >             qc,.k                   !             kill pers name! O >             dqb-1ub                 !             delete space end pers name! Q >             s<`-dqb-1ub.ud          !             find starting '<' and delete! O >             s>`-dqb-1ub             !             find ending '>' and delete! N >             qd,.xlqd,.k             !             store addr in ql and kill!P >           |46^t.:=69^t1:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, out err msg!8 >           '                         !           endif!6 >         '                           !         endif!Q >       | 1:fb"`"s                    !       else if 'From: "aa"aa (pp)' syntax! = >           1:fb (`"s                 !         then if ' ('! K >             1:fb)`"s                !           then if ending ')' found! G >               qcj                   !             then go start addr! J >               s (`-2dqb-2ub         !               delete ' (', fix qb!J >               qc,.xlqc,.k           !               put addr ql, delete!R >               s)`-dqb-1ud           !               go end pers, del ')', fx qb!O >               qc,.xcqc,.k           !               put pers name qc, delete! R >             |46^t.:=69^t2:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, out err msg!: >             '                       !             endif!R >           |qcjl2rqc,.xlqc,.k0,0xc   !           else assume 'From: "aa"aa' sntx!8 >           '                         !           endif!Q >         |46^t.:=69^t3:=77^tqq=0tt   !         else bad msg fmt, output err msg! 6 >         '                           !         endif!4 >       '                             !       endif!R >     | 1:fb <`"s                     !     else if 'From: pp <aa>' sntx, if ' <'!G >         1:fb>`"s                    !       then if ending '>' found! H >           qcj                       !         then go start pers name!P >           s <`-2dqb-2ub             !           find starting ' <' and delete!E >           qc,.xc                    !           store pers name qc! A >           qc,.k                     !           kill pers name! M >           s>`-dqb-1ub               !           find ending '>' and delete! L >           qc,.xlqc,.k               !           store addr in ql and kill!Q >         |46^t.:=69^t4:=77^tqq=0tt   !         else bad msg fmt, output err msg! 6 >         '                           !         endif!3 >       |                             !       else! P >         1:fb (`"s                   !         if 'From: aa (pp) sntx, if ' ('!I >           1:fb)`"s                  !         then if ending ')' found! E >             qcj                     !           then go start addr! H >             s (`-2dqb-2ub           !             delete ' (', fix qb!H >             qc,.xlqc,.k             !             put addr ql, delete!Q >             s)`-dqb-1ud             !             go end pers, del ')', fix qb! M >             qc,.xcqc,.k             !             put pers name qc, delete! R >           |46^t.:=69^t5:=77^tqq=0tt !           else bad msg fmt, outpt err msg!8 >           '                         !           endif!M >         |qcj                        !         else assume single addr case! K >           ::s<`"s-ds>`-dqb-2ub'     !           handle case 'From: <aa>'! K >             l2rqc,.xlqc,.k0,0xc     !           assume 'From: aa' syntax! 6 >         '                           !         endif!4 >       '                             !       endif!2 >     '                               !     endif!H >     qcjgl.ud                        !     go end "From:", insert addr!I >     qcj<qd-.,s^egt`;                !     loop find illegal chars addr! M >       -s^egv`i"`s^egt`              !       quote previous delimiter token! R >       s^egv`ri"`qb+2ubqd+2ud        !       quote next sendmail delimiter token!7 >       >                             !       end loop! A >     :qc"g                           !     if pers name nonnull! G >       qdji `qb+1ub                  !     then insrt space delimiter! F >       i"`gci"`qb+2ub                !       insrt pers nam w/quotes!2 >     '                               !     endif!D >   |qajiFrom:`9i`                    !   else insrt "From:" anyway!N >     i"<unknown>"`13i`10i`qb+19ub    !     create "<unknown>" from, fixup qb!0 >   '                                 !   endif!@ >   qajqb-qa,:s^elTo: `"s             !   if 'To:' header found!@ >     -d9i`                           !   then chg space to tab!M >     l::s `"s-3dqb-3ub               !     if additional 'To:' header lines! N >       <::s `;-dqb-1ub>i `qb+1ub     !     then append & kill leading spaces!N >       l::fs   `To:`                 !       Add 'To:' hdr if more addressee!2 >     '                               !     endif!G >     -l1xlkqajlgl                    !     move 'To:' line to new loc! B >   |qajliTo:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+6ub     !   else insert empty 'To:'!0 >   '                                 !   endif! > @ >   qajqb-qa,:s^elCc: `"s             !   if 'Cc:' header found!= >     -3diC:`9i`                      !   then do same stuff! M >     l::s `"s-3dqb-3ub               !     if additional 'Cc:' header lines! N >       <::s `;-dqb-1ub>i `qb+1ub     !     then append & kill leading spaces!N >       l::fs   `Cc:`                 !       Add 'Cc:' hdr if more addressee!2 >     '                               !     endif! >     -l1xlkqaj2lgl B >   |qaj2liCC:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+6ub    !   else insert empty 'CC:'!0 >   '                                 !   endif! > > >   qajqb-qa,:s^elSubject: `"s        !   if 'Subject:' found!; >     -5di:`9i`qb-3ub                 !   then do it again! O >     <::s `"u0;'-dqb-1ub>            !     delete leading spaces in Subj line! M >     0l1xlkqaj3lgl                   !     move Subj line to Mail-11 header! / >   |qaj3liSubj:`9i`i`13i`10i`qb+8ub  !   else! 0 >   '                                 !   endif! > @ >   13i`10i`qb+1ub                    ! mark end of Mail-11 hdr!? >   qajl2r                            ! goto end of From: line! ? >   .uc                               ! mark current pos in qc! D >   i  `goi-`gp                       ! insert timestmp dlmtr,yy,mm!5 >   3r0a&223i`d0a&223i`d0a&223i`d     ! upcase month! > >   i-`gmi `gn                        ! add rest of timestamp!1 >   .-qc+qbub                         ! fixup qb! < >   qbj-l                             ! goto end of headers! > @ >   <n^el^equ`;                       ! loop to find blank line!Q >     .-z"ea'::sFrom `"s0l0;'         !   if endbuff append, if newmsg exit loop! K >     ::s>From `"sfrFrom `|-l'>       !   replace '>From ' hack, next loop! F >   ::sFrom `;0l                      ! exit loop if no more messages!6 > >``                                 ! end main loop! > ? > !erase buffer, load local DCL symbol "c_line_count" with line @ >   count by: creating appropriate teco command, loading it in Q! >   register A, and executing it! * > ji:egsym msg_count `qq\27i`b,.xab,.kma`` > 9 > ex``                                ! exit with status!  > $!J > $! exit and (hack alert) pass back count as part of return status in theN > $! facility number and message number fields (set the suppress msg, customerG > $! specific, and success status bits just to be politically correct). E > $ if f$inte(msg_count) .le. %x07fffff8/8      ! 16777215 in decimal 2 > $  then exit (f$inte(msg_count)*8).or.%x180000036 > $  else exit 1                 ! pass back count = 0
 > $  endif > $ENDSUBROUTINE >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:52:32 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net  Subject: Bumper stickers for VMSB Message-ID: <1160664751.942238.188550@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Hello B Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toD offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. IG have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if . someone has them already I would like to know. thanks phil   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:18:52 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>$ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMSA Message-ID: <1160666331.946472.26290@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   4 I don't know if a source for such things at present.  0 Some images that may be suitable can be found at+ http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Logos    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 10:26:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMS3 Message-ID: <7yz+ZiJtoDai@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1160664751.942238.188550@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, tomarsin2015@comcast.net writes:   D > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toF > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. II > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 0 > someone has them already I would like to know.  E HP has given out VMS decals at the last few VMS Symposia/Bootcamps in H Nashua.  It is a white oval with a black border and black letters "VMS",I looking at first like a "country" code on the back of an automobile until  you read the letters.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:32:26 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> $ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMSA Message-ID: <1160667146.905747.59860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > Hello D > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toF > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. II > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 0 > someone has them already I would like to know. > thanks > phil  G Jeff Cameron at http://www.jcameron.com/vms/   Look for the "DCL Bumper 2 Sticker" menu option on the left side of the page.  - I have no idea if the offer is still current.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 16:15:26 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)S Subject: Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytes , Message-ID: <452e6a1e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  k In article <1160612294.815489.144550@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "armistej" <JArmistead@mail.com> writes: H >Thanks for the reply.  I've heard of Saveset Manager, but unfortunatelyE >I'm only running VMS 5.5-2 on the resurrected MicroVAX 3100 with the F >TZ30 drive in it, and the current SPD for Saveset Manager Version 1.8C >talks about OpenVMS 7.x and 8.x.  I'm guessing that VMS 5.5-2 just / >doesn't meet the minimum system requirements !   7 Not for the current SSMgr version as you guessed right.   F >Is it possible to get a loan PAK that will work with an older version >of Saveset Manager ?   @ Yes, indeed. The product name (and therefor the name in the PAK) hasn't changed since 1.0  F >Or can someone give me some other alternative strategies that I might >be able to try ?   N If you manage a loan pak, then I (probably) manage an old version of SSMgr ;-)F But then again, if the Loan Pak is finished and you want to get rid ofJ the SSMgr again, you're on your own, because there is no PRODUCT REMOVE onK VAX/5.5-2/SSMgr (but you know this before the install and can do the right)     M btw. There are consulting companies everywhere which might offer help as well    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:16:55 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com Y Subject: Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytes 32767 0 Message-ID: <87k635k1i0.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ' Jeremy Begg <nospam@vsm.com.au> writes:   C >> I have a number of old TK50 BACKUP tapes with savesets that have D >> /BLOCKSIZE set to 32768.  From memory this /BLOCKSIZE was arrivedC >> at based on some information contained in one of the VMS manuals ? >> (maybe something about BACKUP performance tuning or a System @ >> Managers manual from the VMS 5.x days) I believe that this isC >> larger than RMS can handled for disk files - I've seen plenty of F >> postings in the archives which say disk files must have MRS and LRLE >> less than 32767 bytes.  I get the dreaded the "%RMS-F-RSZ, invalid > >> record size" error if I simply use COPY to try and move the> >> savesets from tape to disk.  Any ideas how to recover theseC >> savesets from tape and save them to disk while still keeping RMS 0 >> happy and being able to use BACKUP if needed.  B > RMS can certainly handle files with fixed-length records of thatA > size.  My guess is the magtape ACP can't handle it, but I can't + > remember if you can change it, or how to.    > You could try the following:  6 >      $ MOUNT/FOREIGN drive:/BLOCK=32768/RECORD=32768 >      $ COPY/LOG drive:*.* []  A > You'll end up with a stack of files in your directory without a C > filename or type (i.e. just a version number).  There will be two C > small files and one large file per BACKUP saveset.  The two small A > files will be the ANSI tape label headers; you can delete them. 7 > Then rename the large file(s) to their correct names.   D Nope, it won't work because BACKUP wants to read the disk files with- RMS. (delete mutterings about signed ints...)   ; Use SAVESET MANAGER, or restore them to disk and re backup.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:48:02 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <nospam@vsm.com.au> Y Subject: Re: Copying BACKUP saveset from tape to disk with /BLOCKSIZE > 32767 bytes bytes ) Message-ID: <452DDE1A.4010807@vsm.com.au>    Hello Jason,   armistej wrote:  > Hi all > B > I have a number of old TK50 BACKUP tapes with savesets that haveF > /BLOCKSIZE set to 32768.  From memory this /BLOCKSIZE was arrived atF > based on some information contained in one of the VMS manuals (maybeG > something about BACKUP performance tuning or a System Managers manual  > from the VMS 5.x days) > E > I believe that this is larger than RMS can handled for disk files - H > I've seen plenty of postings in the archives which say disk files must) > have MRS and LRL less than 32767 bytes.  > D > I get the dreaded the "%RMS-F-RSZ, invalid record size" error if IA > simply use COPY to try and move the savesets from tape to disk.  > I > Any ideas how to recover these savesets from tape and save them to disk G > while still keeping RMS happy and being able to use BACKUP if needed.   K RMS can certainly handle files with fixed-length records of that size.  My  J guess is the magtape ACP can't handle it, but I can't remember if you can  change it, or how to.    You could try the following:  4      $ MOUNT/FOREIGN drive:/BLOCK=32768/RECORD=32768      $ COPY/LOG drive:*.* []  L You'll end up with a stack of files in your directory without a filename or J type (i.e. just a version number).  There will be two small files and one J large file per BACKUP saveset.  The two small files will be the ANSI tape L label headers; you can delete them.  Then rename the large file(s) to their  correct names.   Regards,   	Jeremy Begg- 	(replace nospam by jeremy for email address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:24:33 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Death of VMS 0 Message-ID: <87fydtk15a.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:  D > I think it was around 1982 when Keating asked me if we would do anE > Ada for the VAX, and I think at that time he had responsibility for 2 > all langugaes, but as I said, I was an outsider.  J You did the Ada compiler! I didn't know that. I still have the `Ada Medal' from a long ago DECUS..    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:30:01 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? , Message-ID: <egl8vp$rut$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  w In article <egja9t$838$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  >In article Q ><rdeininger-1010061936330001@dialup-4.233.128.239.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>, 9 >rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:   > F >> If a software product like Oracle claims to need EV56 or later, theM >> requirement was probably defined and stated poorly.  There are better ways M >> to find out if a system or CPU supports particular features that matter to  >> applications. > H >Unless that restriction merely reflects which configurations have been  >tested. > K Oracle does require EV56 or later - starting with Oracle 9i release 2 they  ) compiled their code to use EV56 features. J If you install it on an EV5 system it will need to emulate these features G and will run slowly and  constantly put out System-I-Emulated messages.   ) The notes on metalink for RDBMS 9.2.x say    " ? Attempting to install Oracle on an older chipset will result in    - install taking 8-20 hours < - database creation running for hours and only 2-8% complete% - extremely slow response from Oracle  - SYSTEM-i-EMULATED errors* - Oracle consistently NOT working properly   "    O Which is why my cluster of two 2100 5/300 systems each with three cpus is stuck  running Oracle 8i.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:09:06 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ? Subject: Re: does Alphaserver DS10 have EV56 or later chip set? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-CFF5FC.14090612102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <egl8vp$rut$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  P > In article <egja9t$838$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip + > Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 
 > >In article P > ><rdeininger-1010061936330001@dialup-4.233.128.239.dial1.manchester1.level3.ne > >t>,; > >rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes:   > > H > >> If a software product like Oracle claims to need EV56 or later, theO > >> requirement was probably defined and stated poorly.  There are better ways O > >> to find out if a system or CPU supports particular features that matter to  > >> applications. > > J > >Unless that restriction merely reflects which configurations have been 
 > >tested. > > M > Oracle does require EV56 or later - starting with Oracle 9i release 2 they  + > compiled their code to use EV56 features. L > If you install it on an EV5 system it will need to emulate these features I > and will run slowly and  constantly put out System-I-Emulated messages.  > + > The notes on metalink for RDBMS 9.2.x say  >  > " A > Attempting to install Oracle on an older chipset will result in  >  > - install taking 8-20 hours > > - database creation running for hours and only 2-8% complete' > - extremely slow response from Oracle  > - SYSTEM-i-EMULATED errors, > - Oracle consistently NOT working properly >  > "  >   L > Which is why my cluster of two 2100 5/300 systems each with three cpus is  > stuck  > running Oracle 8i.   This is the case for Rdb:   I http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/htdocs/rdb7/rdb72_relannoun  ce.html   B "Also, Oracle Rdb releases for AlphaServer systems continue to be E available in two options: a generic kit that runs on any AlphaServer  @ processor, and a platform-targeted performance kit that runs on ' AlphaServer EV56 and later processors."    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:59:40 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ( Subject: It's a Wolf! a WOLF! A WOOLUFF!1 Message-ID: <eglagf$rp0$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   L Nah, not really. Just seeing if you'd all come runnin' again like a bunch of pointless knob-heads.    > R.I.P.   VMS  L I think you'll find that VMS has "died" many times, had it's guts ripped outJ and shoved in its face, buried, dug up, shagged mercilessly, then spat on!  K Or so you, and many others, would have us believe, on *many* occasions over L these *MANY* years. (I've personally lost count. Although I did find 303 (WeK applied Rule 303!) hits for "RIP" but a lot of those were for David Mathog. < JF must know, as he's fought and died for VMS many times :-)  # A quick meander down memory lane :-   % . VMS can't survive without Ken Olsen   . Rdb can't survive under Oracle  . VMS can't survive under CompaqL . VMS is dying 'cos some tin-pot piece-o'-shit company is changing direction (again)  . Without SAP VMS has no future ! . VMS is dead after the Alphacide  . VMS is doomed under HPK . VMS (*NO* "Civilization as we know it") is dead after The Hoff's passing!   J OK, let's all agree that VMS is dead as a DoeDoe (Didn't realize they wereJ from Mauritius till we were there last year. Did I tell ya we got upgradedL to the "Emperor Villa" at Legends :-) irredeemable, life-support about to beK switched off, one foot in the coffin and the other on a banana peel. I, and L I'm sure many other loyal VMS fans, will give you all this, if only we don'tL have to listen to your endless repetative bleating the next time HP et al do2 something like leave the top off your tooth-paste.  I VMS is dead! Now's the time to change jobs! There is no point clinging to L childish delusions of a VMS future! DEC/HP/Compaq have gone out of their wayL to fuck us all! Bastards! We're all going to die! You were the first to tell us and you were 100% correct!   . Happy? Now please shut the fuck up about it!!!  H BTW. for those of you that find that breakin' up is hard to do, and haveE become institutionalised and can no longer take a piss without Hoff's I consent, I'm forming self-help groups around the globe where we can meet, L hug and just, some how, try to work through this nightmare. Even if there is- a life after Hoff how can it be worth living?    Regards Richard Maher   J PS. Maybe after a successful resource hungry port to another platform is a7 good time to trim the fat? (Just throwing it out there)   K PPS. On a constructive note, may I suggest to HP that they adopt the Oracle I philosophy of not accepting *any* support calls over the phone! (At least J Silver service in London didn't) For those who don't have Oracle, you haveJ to enter a iTAR on the Web. (or if you don't have access then a phone callI will give you someone who will do absolutely nothing except enter the TAR E for you) That way you don't get to see the guys in the big shoes with K squeaky red noses throwing confetti over each other while they work out who L to send the call to. I think "Repatriate" is Oracle's word to bring the call back on shore.  F "Duncan Macdonald" <duncanmacdonald@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message8 news:Tv7Xg.33364$r61.27338@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...H > I have been a DECUS member since the PDP-11 days before the first VAX.B > Unfortunately the recent HP moves to get rid of a lot of the VMS
 developers > and G > good support staff seem to me to be the final nail in the VMS coffin.  > F > The first (and possibly most important) nail was Dave Cutler joiningL > Microsoft - this was not so much because of the loss to DEC but because heH > enabled Microsoft to get NT working about a year earlier that it would have > been.  > G > The second nail was the replacement of technical management at DEC by  > non-technical management.  > K > There have been many more nails following from the above of which the two  > most important were the death G > of the Alpha and the decision to go to the Itanium instead of the x86 	 > family.  > L > From a personal point of view this has made my 25+ years of DEC experience3 > worth less than 2 years experience as an XP admin  >  > R.I.P.   VMS >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:38:35 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> , Subject: Re: It's a Wolf! a WOLF! A WOOLUFF!+ Message-ID: <eglni1$j54$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Richard Maher wrote:  M > Or so you, and many others, would have us believe, on *many* occasions over N > these *MANY* years. (I've personally lost count. Although I did find 303 (WeM > applied Rule 303!) hits for "RIP" but a lot of those were for David Mathog.   2 Right, it was R.I.P. VMS when we stopped using it.  ' > . VMS can't survive without Ken Olsen " > . Rdb can't survive under Oracle" > . VMS can't survive under CompaqN > . VMS is dying 'cos some tin-pot piece-o'-shit company is changing direction	 > (again) ! > . Without SAP VMS has no future # > . VMS is dead after the Alphacide  > . VMS is doomed under HPM > . VMS (*NO* "Civilization as we know it") is dead after The Hoff's passing!   C The SAP line is closest.  VMS is dead in any niche it once occupied E once the releveant application software is no longer available.  For  > (big) business apps there's still some software out there, for+ scientific apps VMS is an extinct platform.    Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:39:01 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Q Subject: Re: OT: Babylon-5 (was Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week) 3 Message-ID: <weFHJwTiflNg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1160576200.427076.41420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > % > Well, that's going to take a while!  > D > For now, I copied to USR_SCRATCH:[FELDMAN]TREK.ESC;1 on decuserve.I > NOTE: Make sure your terminal is set to dark background before you TYPE  > it!       Got it, thanks.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:58:43 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>Q Subject: OT: for the serious computer hobbyist - UniVac Factronic Computer System B Message-ID: <1160672323.015751.186330@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  0 http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sys/219423935.html  F "UNIVAC I used 5,200 vacuum tubes,[2] weighed 29,000 pounds (13 metricD tons), consumed 125 kW, and could perform about 1,905 operations perG second running on a 2.25 MHz clock. The Central Complex alone (i.e. the F processor and memory unit) was 14 feet by 8 feet by 8.5 feet high (4.3H m =D7 2.4 m =D7 2.6 m). The complete system occupied more than 350 ft=B2 (35.5 m=B2) of floor space.  "  .=2E. G "mercury tanks are empty and mercury is not included in this sale. i am F including 1 backup tape, and 1 user manual. I am asking $10,000 obo or@ willing to trade for working condition sanfrancisco cable car. "   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:50:30 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS ; Message-ID: <452e0faa$0$5896$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   : "JFMezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message & news:452D82FB.8120A061@teksavvy.com... > mail2allan@gmail.com wrote: @ >> Just because an email contains HTML does not mean it is SPAM. > D > Since VMS does not support HTML emails, sending such junk to a VMSE > audience is not appropriate. And I do not know how they got my real H > email address either. It was not fished from comp.os.vms automaticallyF > unless someone has some sofwtare that really parses readable text to$ > find any possible email addresses. > J This statement is somewhat naive. Just because vanilla OpenVMS doesn't do M HTML email doesn't mean that people managing VMS systems don't have PCs. (or  1 are using OpenVMS as their primary email servers)   K I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email client  H (like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottom K which you could have clicked on to remove yourself from their distribution  H list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professional K spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies like   PARSEC.     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:00:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS , Message-ID: <452E11EA.4A5DC183@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: I > list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professional L > spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies like	 > PARSEC.   H If you got the email, check the source. The "opt out" in HTML pointed toF the spamming company web site, not to parsec. So you have no idea whatD they will do with it. In most cases, they flag your email address asD having been verified and can sell it for higher price because it has been verified.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 05:09:42 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 3 Message-ID: <efJsoAw9ta3Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <452e0faa$0$5896$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:   M > I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email client  J > (like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottom M > which you could have clicked on to remove yourself from their distribution    B NEVER opt-out from something to which you did not opt-in.  It only encourages spammers.  J > list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professional M > spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies like  	 > PARSEC.   D If PARSEC is sending Unsolicited Bulk Email, they are not reputable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:21:46 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS ; Message-ID: <452e16fd$0$5921$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:452E11EA.4A5DC183@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote: J >> list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professionalI >> spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies   >> like 
 >> PARSEC. > J > If you got the email, check the source. The "opt out" in HTML pointed toH > the spamming company web site, not to parsec. So you have no idea whatF > they will do with it. In most cases, they flag your email address asF > having been verified and can sell it for higher price because it has > been verified. >   J I'll check my commercial email at work this morning then I'll get back to  you.  I To your point, professional spammers already know you are there when the  M destination mail server doesn't send back an "invalid recipient code (550)".  J BTW, have you ever received a blank email? This is what the spammers call J "account probing". Now there are some ways for the SMTP server manager to K modify the platform in order to limit how the machine reacts to suspicious  + email but there is no way (yet) to stop it.     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:36:26 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 5 Message-ID: <slrneis6la.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   d In article <452e16fd$0$5921$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: > K > To your point, professional spammers already know you are there when the  O > destination mail server doesn't send back an "invalid recipient code (550)".    H Not even. They don't actually *know* something _for sure_, only that theH mail wasn't rejected by the remote MTA. That is the extent of their firm
 knowledge.  F Some people accept all and then quietly dumps unwanted mail to certainH addresses to NL: and spammers will _never_ know that. Then the people inC question marks it so they will automatically dump anything from the 4 spammish sender without further manual intervention.  H It is sometimes better to not make noise and attract unwanted attention.  E I have to honestly say that I do not generally and personally believe E any company I do business with ever has a need to send me unsolicited D email. Parsec may be a fine company, but their reputation is (to me)G tarnished by this opt-out thing instead of doing it as an opt-in thing.   F I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that particular point. :)   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:33:59 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS ; Message-ID: <452e19da$0$5914$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message  - news:efJsoAw9ta3Y@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <452e0faa$0$5896$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"    > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > G >> I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email  	 >> client J >> (like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottomA >> which you could have clicked on to remove yourself from their   >> distribution  > D > NEVER opt-out from something to which you did not opt-in.  It only > encourages spammers. > J >> list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professionalI >> spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies   >> like 
 >> PARSEC. > F > If PARSEC is sending Unsolicited Bulk Email, they are not reputable. >   J I think PARSEC will add your email to their distribution when you sign up E for one of their high-quality webinars. I would not have any problem  I clicking opt-out from a company like PARSEC. (or Process Software, or HP  M which also ask for your email address during some downloads; these companies   are not spammers).  I It would be a different story if I received the usual non-VMS email from   some idiot.   L p.s. All of us hate SPAM, but if HP signed an advertising agreement to SPAM K corporate America with OpenVMS information I "might" change "hate SPAM" to   "dislike SPAM".    :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:31:44 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 0 Message-ID: <00A5D158.EE8E6846@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <452e0faa$0$5896$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  >  >  > ; >"JFMezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  ' >news:452D82FB.8120A061@teksavvy.com...  >> mail2allan@gmail.com wrote:A >>> Just because an email contains HTML does not mean it is SPAM.  >>E >> Since VMS does not support HTML emails, sending such junk to a VMS F >> audience is not appropriate. And I do not know how they got my realI >> email address either. It was not fished from comp.os.vms automatically G >> unless someone has some sofwtare that really parses readable text to % >> find any possible email addresses.  >>K >This statement is somewhat naive. Just because vanilla OpenVMS doesn't do  N >HTML email doesn't mean that people managing VMS systems don't have PCs. (or 2 >are using OpenVMS as their primary email servers) > L >I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email client I >(like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottom    7 Is that the only way to read such messages -- a PeeCee?   J Hmm...  I wonder what Steve Jobs and Apple Co. were thinking when they put' this thing they called Mail in my dock?    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:31:35 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-9D10E0.13313512102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  5 In article <slrneis6la.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, '  Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:    > H > Some people accept all and then quietly dumps unwanted mail to certainJ > addresses to NL: and spammers will _never_ know that. Then the people inE > question marks it so they will automatically dump anything from the 6 > spammish sender without further manual intervention.   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ( Nobody expects the Spammish Inquisition!   (Sorry Dan; couldn't resist)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:04:32 -0400 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 6 Message-ID: <005c01c6edf6$94c8c080$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>  H >>> I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email 
 >>> clientK >>> (like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottom B >>> which you could have clicked on to remove yourself from their  >>> distribution >>E >> NEVER opt-out from something to which you did not opt-in.  It only  >> encourages spammers.    Standard usenet "Me too" here.   >>K >>> list. While this is almost always useless when coming from professional J >>> spammers, this feature is properly supported with reputable companies  >>> like >>> PARSEC.  >>G >> If PARSEC is sending Unsolicited Bulk Email, they are not reputable.      Standard usenet "Me too" here.  L > I think PARSEC will add your email to their distribution when you sign up G > for one of their high-quality webinars. I would not have any problem  K > clicking opt-out from a company like PARSEC. (or Process Software, or HP  E > which also ask for your email address during some downloads; these   > companies are not spammers).  I When I signed up for one of their webinars I did not see any button that  I said "Click here if you do not want to receive our newsletter." The fact  L that they have sent me their newsletter means that they are spammers. Since K they are spammers I have a problem with clicking on an opt-out button, you   should have a problem too.   > K > It would be a different story if I received the usual non-VMS email from  
 > some idiot.   M CONTENT DOES NOT MATTER spam IS spam REGARDLESS OF THE CONTENT. Since Parsec  I did not ask me if I wanted to opt-in then they are spamming me. The fact  J that people like you try to modify the definition of spam is why spammers  continue to spam.    > I > p.s. All of us hate SPAM, but if HP signed an advertising agreement to  I > SPAM corporate America with OpenVMS information I "might" change "hate   > SPAM" to "dislike SPAM". >...  G I say again for people who are hard of hearing CONTENT DOES NOT MATTER!    Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca 9 CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:27:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 0 Message-ID: <00A5D169.0CF0D2B3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <PEGcxNh+PdU5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  >  > V >In article <00A5D158.EE8E6846@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:j >> In article <452e0faa$0$5896$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > M >>>This statement is somewhat naive. Just because vanilla OpenVMS doesn't do  P >>>HTML email doesn't mean that people managing VMS systems don't have PCs. (or 4 >>>are using OpenVMS as their primary email servers) >>> N >>>I suspect that if you were reading the PARSEC email from a PC email client K >>>(like Windoz), that there would have been an opt-out link at the bottom   >>  : >> Is that the only way to read such messages -- a PeeCee? >>  M >> Hmm...  I wonder what Steve Jobs and Apple Co. were thinking when they put * >> this thing they called Mail in my dock? > G >   I've been reading HTML mail on my VMS boxes for years with Mozilla. F >   No PC needed.  No Mac needed.  No virii penetrations.  Just enable >   the POP server and have at.    ;)  I I know.  It's just a jab at the parochial-minded minicule-n-flaccid band- I wagoneering sheep that keep grazing in the usenet pasture of comp.os.vms. H Perhaps I wouldn't be so jeering if I spent more time in alt.revisionismH reading up on how wonderful the world today is thanks to Billzebub Gates" creation of all things cybernetic.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:58:36 -0700% From: "Laura" <lmcgaughey@parsec.com>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS C Message-ID: <1160672316.489992.293860@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   G I am the Marketing Director and on behalf of PARSEC Group would like to E formally apology to the VMS community for our invitation appearing as  spam.   E We have very high standards regarding spamming and in no way intended E to offend the community that we support and hold in high regards. The F obtainment of your e-mail address was and will always be by permissionF only.  Those of you that did use the opt-out feature, your information has been removed.   E There is on opt-out link to remove you from our distribution list and G the opt-out request is taken very seriously.  Once received, we respect E your request and remove your e-mail information from our records.  If G you do not want to use the opt-out feature, please call us toll-free at , 877.462.7732 press 0 and ask for Dawn Rubin.  ! Again, please accept our apology.   
 Dawn Rubin Marketing Director PARSEC Group     JFMezei wrote:I > I am sorry to announce that I have received unsollicited mail from Dawn & > Rubin of PARSEC (drubin@parsec.com). >   > Return-Path: drubin@parsec.com8 > Received: from spw3.swiftpageemail.com (66.179.85.146)> >          by velo.vixenation.ca (V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.3 VAX);) >         Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:28:28 -0400 @ > Received: from SPW2 (66.179.85.140) by spw3.swiftpageemail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:41:00 -0400 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca>  Subject: Re: PARSEC: SPAMMERS 6 Message-ID: <013801c6ee25$958c2c30$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>  G > formally apology to the VMS community for our invitation appearing as  > spam.   K It did not "appear" to be spam, it was spam. If you are going to apologize    then apologize for what you did.  G > There is on opt-out link to remove you from our distribution list and I > the opt-out request is taken very seriously.  Once received, we respect G > your request and remove your e-mail information from our records.  If I > you do not want to use the opt-out feature, please call us toll-free at . > 877.462.7732 press 0 and ask for Dawn Rubin.  J You miss the point, nobody should have to opt-out if they never opted-in. I Whatever list you have now is not an opt-in list and it should be thrown  K away and started from scratch. If you want to build an opt-in list then do  M it correctly; Ask people if they want to opt-in when they visit your website  M or at shows or on the phone, send one email asking them to verify their wish  H to opt-in, if you do not get the verification then do not send any more  email to that address.   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca 9 CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:19:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Question about FTP and quotas, Message-ID: <452DFA69.880C6761@teksavvy.com>   TCPIP Services on VMS.  E Is it correct to state that the TCPIP$FTP  SYSUAF record defines only E the quotas to be used by the control process which processes incoming G connection requests, and that actual transfers actually occur under the  logged in username's quotas ?     F What about IMAP  and POP ?  Does the real work happen under the logged> in username's quota instead of the TCPIP$xxx' account quotas ?  C I know that SMTP really uses  its quotas. If you send a file with a A large attachement, it must be able to fit within the TCPIP$SMTP's @ PGFLQUO quota because the message is eventually processed by the& symbiont that runs under that account.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:19:21 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-188AB2.10192112102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  . In article <YtgXg.129092$R63.76055@pd7urf1no>,-  "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> wrote:      > M > All verify will do is re-read the tape and compare it against what it read  K > on the first pass....  in a restore, It's a check against the data being  G > written properly on the disk - not being read properly from the tape.  > + > I would not recommend it for an old tape.  >   0 I too would not recommend /VERIFY for old tapes.  D You should also have a tape drive cleaning kit available. All tapes E leave oxide on the tape heads and transport mechanism, old tapes can   leave a *lot*.  I If the data is really valuable, there are specialist firms who deal with  H old tapes all the time. They have a *lot* of experience, and specialist 
 hardware too.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 14:52:53 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes , Message-ID: <452e56c5$1@news.langstoeger.at>  P In article <1160580983.649463.51500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, apogeusistem.& >   I have to read 100 magnetic tapes.1 >   My intention is read one tape, save data to a 0 >   directory and create a save_set and zip thisK >   save_set with pkzip and send to a W2K server (big space to store data). / >   I'll make this task 100 times. (100 tapes). * >   I'd like know if I'll have reliability% >   in this process. What you think ?   G Use (COPY or) the Save Set Manager to read the tape as a saveset (means H don't extract the files from the saveset and rebuild a saveset yourself)I and store it on disk, then ZIP "-9jmV" it and transfer the zip elsewhere.   / 	http://www.compaq.com/info/SP6264/SP6264PF.PDF   	 Good luck    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:55:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes 3 Message-ID: <vUHWnmRk51c6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1160580983.649463.51500@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes: 	 > Hi all:  > ' >    I have to read 100 magnetic tapes.  > 2 >    My intention is read one tape, save data to a1 >    directory and create a save_set and zip this E >    save_set with pkzip and send to a W2K server (big space to store  > data). > 0 >    I'll make this task 100 times. (100 tapes). > + >    I'd like know if I'll have reliability & >    in this process. What you think ? >       >    I think using a W2k server kind of blows away the notion of4    reliability.  The rest of the process looks good.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:57:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes 3 Message-ID: <HhAxN6t3NaCQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <egj55h$k9j$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> writes:! > apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  >  >> Ian Miller wrote: >>  4 >>>I would use BACKUP /VERIFY when reading the tape.! >>>How old and what sort of tape?  >>> >> They are old tapes (tapes with tape seal) and 15 years old. > > > In a paradoxical way (assuming I understand what "tapes withB > tape seal" means i.e. 9-track tape), this might be your saviour. > > > Backup will be able to use CRC to reconstruct data from tapeA > "bad spots" (which you're almost certainly going to encounter), > > whereas had the tapes been DLT, you'd have been scuppered by! > the first bad spot on the tape.   D    If the tapes have not been properly handled (refrigerated, storedD    on edge, and physically rotated annually), even BACKUP may not be<    able to recover from the number of bad spots you'll have.  B    Were they BACKUP tapes?  Anything else will probably need those     bad spots, no matter how few.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:20:41 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes 3 Message-ID: <C8RsmHHN9jSi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <YtgXg.129092$R63.76055@pd7urf1no>, "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> writes: > 1 > "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote in message  0 > news:egjloq$ck9$1@registered.motzarella.org... >>0 >> <apogeusistemas@gmail.com> schreef in bericht@ >> news:1160584128.467556.268670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>  >>> Roy Omond wrote:% >>> > apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  >>> >  >>> > > Ian Miller wrote:  >>> > > 9 >>> > >>I would use BACKUP /VERIFY when reading the tape. & >>> > >>How old and what sort of tape? >>> > > C >>> > > They are old tapes (tapes with tape seal) and 15 years old.  >>> > B >>> > In a paradoxical way (assuming I understand what "tapes withF >>> > tape seal" means i.e. 9-track tape), this might be your saviour. >>> > B >>> > Backup will be able to use CRC to reconstruct data from tapeE >>> > "bad spots" (which you're almost certainly going to encounter), B >>> > whereas had the tapes been DLT, you'd have been scuppered by% >>> > the first bad spot on the tape.  >>> >  >>> > In any case, good luck.  >>> G >>> Sorry, they are 9-track tapes ( I didn't knew English terminology -  >>> here in * >>> Brazil they are named "fita de rolo".) >>> 0 >>> This tapes haves sets - 1/6, 1/8, 1/10, etc. >>> ' >>> Need I read them in this sequence ?  >>>  >>L >> Yes you do need to read them in sequence. Think of the backup saveset as  >> oneM >> large file that spans several tapes. Could fit on just one tape, though in > >> your case one saveset obviously took several 9-track tapes.F >> You wrote that the tapes are 15 years old. Actually age is not the  >> problem, L >> I've read tapes that age without a problem. The way the've been stored isJ >> somewhat important: not too humid and most important: the manufacturer.J >> Once you start talking about old magtapes, the first answer you get is  >> "bad L >> blocks" or "bad spots". These things may happen occasionally but the realH >> problem is moisture. The magnetic coating layer is glued to a plasticF >> carrier. The glue, thin layer that it is, is probably the singular  >> decisive J >> factor in the long term usefulnes of a tape. Because some glues attractF >> water, which forms a very thin layer between the the tape surfaces.K >> Unwinding a tape becomes more problematic while reading a tape up to the 7 >> point that the drive can't advance the reel anymore. $ >> That can be fixed (once) however.- >> What brand are the tapes you're restoring? ) >> So good luck, and use BACKUP/VERIFY...  >> >> > M > All verify will do is re-read the tape and compare it against what it read  K > on the first pass....  in a restore, It's a check against the data being  G > written properly on the disk - not being read properly from the tape.  > + > I would not recommend it for an old tape.  > L > The wonderful VMS backup will fly over bad spots and try to recover using N > the checksummed block.  I can't remember what the default is - but there is O > a block stored every "N" blocks that contains the checksum of all the blocks  ! > in the previous checksum block.    The default is 10 to 1.   @ Unless you override it with /NOCRC, backup does a checksum (CRC)= of each block individually and writes this to tape along with ? the data in the block.  This way you can potentially detect bad . blocks that the drive hardware did not report.  A Unless you override it with /GROUP=, backup then takes the XOR of ? each group of 10 blocks and writes the result as an 11th block.   > If the drive reports an error or if the CRC for a block is badH when reading back then BACKUP can discard the data block and reconstructA it as the XOR of the 10 remaining blocks in the redundancy group.   A If you lose 2 blocks out of the 11, you're in trouble and some of ? your data will be corrupted.  On 9 track, BACKUP will then keep . going and restore the rest of your files iirc.  K > If a parity error is found by the tape drive, then the system will retry  O > until it fives up.  In any case, if it can't recover the data it will try to  K > rebuild the missing data from the rest of the data in the checksum group.   F It's a redundancy group.  And it's parity errors reported by the drive' and checksum errors detected by BACKUP.   K > I remember the San Diego decus where the '750 was announced.  They did a  K > backup, scrapped an inch of oxide off the tape and restored from it - !!   > Raid 5 on tape..  E If the inch of oxide had spanned a block boundary within a redundancy F group then they would have lost data.  It's just XOR, not some kind ofA Reed Solomon code.  A 32256 byte block is about 20 inches long at C 1600 bpi and I think an inter-record gap is about 1/2 inch.  So the G odds were probably in their favor.  Even an 8192 byte block at 5 inches > would have given them a good shot even without using oil, iron filings and a magnifying glass.   J You wouldn't want to try that pet trick at 6250 BPI with 2048 byte blocks.  I > Anyway - if it doesn't get it on the first pass - you are probably SOL  H > (unless of course you are using an early TS-11, in which case I would , > suggest trying another type of tape drive)  5 Legend has it that it stands for "Tape Stretcher 11".    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 10:35:43 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes C Message-ID: <1160674543.251498.134410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   G I would try Peter's suggestion of using COPY first.  Mounting the first F volume in a set Files-11, you might get by with something as simple as this:    $ MOUNT /OVERRIDE=ID MUA0:' $ COPY MUA0:[000000]*.* DUA1:[OLDSTUFF]   F If all goes well, the COPY will prompt for each tape in a multi-volumeE save set and restore the save set as a singe file.  The tapes do need  to be copied in order.  B The advantage to this technique is speed and minimal stress to theC tapes.  The save set is read as a single streamed file, rather than ? having the tape drive stutter along restoring individual files.   G I have restored save sets from a lot of old media (9-track, TK50, TK70, D 4mmDAT, etc) and this technique is successful about 70% of the time.  F Once on disk, you can validate the save set contents, then archive the data as you see fit.  @ If the COPY does not work, then fall back on your original idea.  
 Good Luck,   Bruce Claremont  Migration Specialties    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:31:03 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com ' Subject: Re: Reading 100 magnetic tapes 0 Message-ID: <87bqohk0ug.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>    apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes:  = > They are old tapes (tapes with tape seal) and 15 years old.   B Then they COULD be in very bad shape if they are from around then.  > What sort of tape is it? Who made it, what is the type number?  A Are you willing to pay someone to recover the data if the tape is 5 soft and shedding? Or I should have said, how much...     3 This currently being a topic of excess intrest ATM!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:08:42 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net>  Subject: Try COPY First C Message-ID: <1160669322.760267.132260@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I would try Peter's suggestion of using COPY first.  Mounting the first F volume in a set Files-11, you might get by with something as simple as this:    $ MOUNT /OVERRIDE=ID MUA0:' $ COPY MUA0:[000000]*.* DUA1:[OLDSTUFF]   F If all goes well, the COPY will prompt for each tape in a multi-volumeE save set and restore the save set as a singe file.  The tapes do need  to be copied in order.  B The advantage to this technique is speed and minimal stress to theC tapes.  The save set is read as a single streamed file, rather than ? having the tape drive stutter along restoring individual files.   G I have restored save sets from a lot of old media (9-track, TK50, TK70, D 4mmDAT, etc) and this technique is successful about 70% of the time.  F Once on disk, you can validate the save set contents, then archive the data as you see fit.  @ If the COPY does not work, then fall back on your original idea.  
 Good Luck,   Bruce Claremont  Migration Specialties    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:08:13 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net>  Subject: Try COPY First C Message-ID: <1160669293.138712.259430@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I would try Peter's suggestion of using COPY first.  Mounting the first F volume in a set Files-11, you might get by with something as simple as this:    $ MOUNT /OVERRIDE=ID MUA0:' $ COPY MUA0:[000000]*.* DUA1:[OLDSTUFF]   F If all goes well, the COPY will prompt for each tape in a multi-volumeE save set and restore the save set as a singe file.  The tapes do need  to be copied in order.  B The advantage to this technique is speed and minimal stress to theC tapes.  The save set is read as a single streamed file, rather than ? having the tape drive stutter along restoring individual files.   G I have restored save sets from a lot of old media (9-track, TK50, TK70, D 4mmDAT, etc) and this technique is successful about 70% of the time.  F Once on disk, you can validate the save set contents, then archive the data as you see fit.  @ If the COPY does not work, then fall back on your original idea.  
 Good Luck,   Bruce Claremont  Migration Specialties    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:11:04 -0700 ( From: Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu>) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start 1 Message-ID: <J70ELF.DKw@beaver.cs.washington.edu>    JF Mezei wrote:  > This may or may not help you.  > J > Last week, I pulled out a TF85 drive from a DSSI enclosure.  No problem. > H > But when I put the unit back it, the whole cabinet powered off. I haveJ > to pysically move the power switch to OFF for a while and then power the > cabinet back up. > H > Seems that the power su0pply detected an anomaly/short when I insertedJ > the tape drive into the DSSI slot and shut down. The power supply had no, > fault indication on it. But fans were off. > H > If you have a compressor, try blowing air into each backpane connectorA > to ensure there is no "lint" that could short the power leads.   > H > Did you manage to pull out ALL boards from the system and try to powerI > it up to see if the power supply is then happy ? And then put back each * > board one by one until a fault happens ?  B I did pull out all the boards - no change.  Interestingly, when I I disconnect the control connection to the XMI-side H7215, the rest of the  C regulators work as expected, i.e. DC OK comes on.  (Of course, the  I computer still won't boot.)  This suggests that the H7215 is telling the  G H7206B to shut things down.  But I haven't figured out why it would do  
 that.  -- Ian    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:12:57 -0700 ( From: Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu>) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start 1 Message-ID: <J70EoK.DM6@beaver.cs.washington.edu>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > Power  > $ > What voltage is the system running; > This sounds almost like the input voltage could be wrong. K > Did the system come in from another country or was utilising a different   > power source?   F It's on 220v single phase, per the guidance floating around the 'net. C The expected 300 VDC is showing up at the inputs to the regulators.  > H > Have you had anything replaced by maintenance org that may be voltage  > sensitive?  H Nope.  I bought the machine on eBay, supposedly working <grrr>, from an J intermediate party.  In other words, I don't know who last had it running.   > 8 > "Ian King" <iking@cs.washington.edu> wrote in message - > news:J6z9pK.rHn@beaver.cs.washington.edu...  >  >>All, >>2 >>In the continuing saga of one man's VAX 6660.... >>M >>To quickly recap: when powered up, the machine's front panel lights up for  L >>about five seconds, then goes dark; the fans continue to run.  The H7206B L >>shows an error LED claiming there's an XMI-1 card in the XMI-2 backplane; L >>examination shows this is not true, and the same error shows even with NO M >>cards in the XMI backplane.  The H7214 and H7242 regulators show DC OK for  G >>that five seconds, then go dark.  The H7215 never shows DC OK.  This  K >>machine also has VAXBI, and that side's regulators show DC OK; I swapped  K >>the H7215s between XMI and VAXBI, and either H7215 works on the BI side,   >>but not the XMI side.  >>M >>The last thing I was asked was: does the XMI-side H7215 show ANY activity,  I >>i.e. hook up a scope to its output and see if it ever flickers.  I did  M >>this, and the answer is yes: there is a very brief output voltage (I tried  ( >>this on three different output lines). >>K >>I've replaced the H7206B AND the control/status cable between the H7206B  K >>and the XMI regulators AND the XTC sequencer.  I've compared voltages at  J >>the various pins of the control connector on the respective H7215s and, J >>while they differ, I do not have any information that tells me which is  >>which. >>L >>So I'm still hoping to find someone who has deeper knowledge of the power K >>system and is willing to share.  I really wish I could find someone with  I >>schematics of the H7206B and XTC sequencer, as it's plausible that the  L >>replacements don't work, either.  In fact, the H7206B has an odd symptom: I >>its internal fan does not turn.  I had intended to replace it but, for  M >>some reason, decided to test the existing fan before I did: it worked fine  I >>on a bench supply.  It looks like it feeds off the same 24v as the big  K >>cabinet fans (which I've verified are really powered and turning).  This  : >>symptom exists in both the original and the replacement. >>L >>Does anyone perhaps have any additional service information in an old box H >>of fiche?  (I have all the usual "owner's documentation," such as the L >>technical information manual, maintenance guide, etc.)  Schematics, or at + >>least logic diagrams, would sure help....  >>L >>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the saga of my large room  >>fan....  -- Ian  >>1 >>iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org   >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2006 10:43:45 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start + Message-ID: <4p6kj1Fh9p9bU2@individual.net>   1 In article <J70ELF.DKw@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, + 	Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote:   >> This may or may not help you. >>  K >> Last week, I pulled out a TF85 drive from a DSSI enclosure.  No problem.  >>  I >> But when I put the unit back it, the whole cabinet powered off. I have K >> to pysically move the power switch to OFF for a while and then power the  >> cabinet back up.  >>  I >> Seems that the power su0pply detected an anomaly/short when I inserted K >> the tape drive into the DSSI slot and shut down. The power supply had no - >> fault indication on it. But fans were off.  >>  I >> If you have a compressor, try blowing air into each backpane connector B >> to ensure there is no "lint" that could short the power leads.  >>  I >> Did you manage to pull out ALL boards from the system and try to power J >> it up to see if the power supply is then happy ? And then put back each+ >> board one by one until a fault happens ?  > D > I did pull out all the boards - no change.  Interestingly, when I K > disconnect the control connection to the XMI-side H7215, the rest of the  E > regulators work as expected, i.e. DC OK comes on.  (Of course, the  K > computer still won't boot.)  This suggests that the H7215 is telling the  I > H7206B to shut things down.  But I haven't figured out why it would do   > that.  -- Ian   H This sounds like a problem I had with a couple of PDP11/44's.  I thoughtE it was bad power supplies but it turned out to be the DC OK detection E circuit on the CIM.  By disabling this I was able to boot and run the J systems just fine. (After testing the PS with a scope to be sure it really was working properly.)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:11:43 -0700 From: bob.birch@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start C Message-ID: <1160669503.098037.153800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Ian King wrote: / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: 	 > > Power  > > & > > What voltage is the system running= > > This sounds almost like the input voltage could be wrong. L > > Did the system come in from another country or was utilising a different > > power source?  > G > It's on 220v single phase, per the guidance floating around the 'net. E > The expected 300 VDC is showing up at the inputs to the regulators.  > >   E In the states, in my experience, it's either 208 vac, phase to phase,  Delta (2 phase) G or 240 vac, phase to phase, delta (2 phase). How are you getting 220vac 	 on single  phase ?   C The load on the XMI H7215 output can it be isolated and metered for  shorts,etc. > If it briefly comes on then shuts down, it mite see a short or something it doesn't like.  I > > Have you had anything replaced by maintenance org that may be voltage  > > sensitive? > I > Nope.  I bought the machine on eBay, supposedly working <grrr>, from an L > intermediate party.  In other words, I don't know who last had it running. >  > > 9 > > "Ian King" <iking@cs.washington.edu> wrote in message / > > news:J6z9pK.rHn@beaver.cs.washington.edu...  > >  > >>All, > >>4 > >>In the continuing saga of one man's VAX 6660.... > >>N > >>To quickly recap: when powered up, the machine's front panel lights up forM > >>about five seconds, then goes dark; the fans continue to run.  The H7206B M > >>shows an error LED claiming there's an XMI-1 card in the XMI-2 backplane; M > >>examination shows this is not true, and the same error shows even with NO N > >>cards in the XMI backplane.  The H7214 and H7242 regulators show DC OK forH > >>that five seconds, then go dark.  The H7215 never shows DC OK.  ThisL > >>machine also has VAXBI, and that side's regulators show DC OK; I swappedL > >>the H7215s between XMI and VAXBI, and either H7215 works on the BI side, > >>but not the XMI side.  > >>N > >>The last thing I was asked was: does the XMI-side H7215 show ANY activity,J > >>i.e. hook up a scope to its output and see if it ever flickers.  I didN > >>this, and the answer is yes: there is a very brief output voltage (I tried* > >>this on three different output lines). > >>L > >>I've replaced the H7206B AND the control/status cable between the H7206BL > >>and the XMI regulators AND the XTC sequencer.  I've compared voltages atK > >>the various pins of the control connector on the respective H7215s and, K > >>while they differ, I do not have any information that tells me which is 
 > >>which. > >>M > >>So I'm still hoping to find someone who has deeper knowledge of the power L > >>system and is willing to share.  I really wish I could find someone withJ > >>schematics of the H7206B and XTC sequencer, as it's plausible that theM > >>replacements don't work, either.  In fact, the H7206B has an odd symptom: J > >>its internal fan does not turn.  I had intended to replace it but, forN > >>some reason, decided to test the existing fan before I did: it worked fineJ > >>on a bench supply.  It looks like it feeds off the same 24v as the bigL > >>cabinet fans (which I've verified are really powered and turning).  This< > >>symptom exists in both the original and the replacement. > >>M > >>Does anyone perhaps have any additional service information in an old box I > >>of fiche?  (I have all the usual "owner's documentation," such as the M > >>technical information manual, maintenance guide, etc.)  Schematics, or at - > >>least logic diagrams, would sure help....  > >>M > >>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the saga of my large room  > >>fan....  -- Ian  > >>3 > >>iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org   > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 09:59:20 -0700 From: bob.birch@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start B Message-ID: <1160672359.990952.45880@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: > Ian King wrote: 1 > > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > > > Power  > > > ( > > > What voltage is the system running? > > > This sounds almost like the input voltage could be wrong. N > > > Did the system come in from another country or was utilising a different > > > power source?  > > I > > It's on 220v single phase, per the guidance floating around the 'net. G > > The expected 300 VDC is showing up at the inputs to the regulators.  > > >  > G > In the states, in my experience, it's either 208 vac, phase to phase,  > Delta (2 phase) I > or 240 vac, phase to phase, delta (2 phase). How are you getting 220vac  > on single 	 > phase ?    I see you cheated : % http://vaxine.bitcon.no/section6.html  you bypassed the xsformer...   > E > The load on the XMI H7215 output can it be isolated and metered for 
 > shorts,etc. @ > If it briefly comes on then shuts down, it mite see a short or > something it doesn't like. > K > > > Have you had anything replaced by maintenance org that may be voltage  > > > sensitive? > > K > > Nope.  I bought the machine on eBay, supposedly working <grrr>, from an N > > intermediate party.  In other words, I don't know who last had it running. > >  > > > ; > > > "Ian King" <iking@cs.washington.edu> wrote in message 1 > > > news:J6z9pK.rHn@beaver.cs.washington.edu...  > > > 
 > > >>All, > > >>6 > > >>In the continuing saga of one man's VAX 6660.... > > >>P > > >>To quickly recap: when powered up, the machine's front panel lights up forO > > >>about five seconds, then goes dark; the fans continue to run.  The H7206B O > > >>shows an error LED claiming there's an XMI-1 card in the XMI-2 backplane; O > > >>examination shows this is not true, and the same error shows even with NO P > > >>cards in the XMI backplane.  The H7214 and H7242 regulators show DC OK forJ > > >>that five seconds, then go dark.  The H7215 never shows DC OK.  ThisN > > >>machine also has VAXBI, and that side's regulators show DC OK; I swappedN > > >>the H7215s between XMI and VAXBI, and either H7215 works on the BI side, > > >>but not the XMI side.  > > >>P > > >>The last thing I was asked was: does the XMI-side H7215 show ANY activity,L > > >>i.e. hook up a scope to its output and see if it ever flickers.  I didP > > >>this, and the answer is yes: there is a very brief output voltage (I tried, > > >>this on three different output lines). > > >>N > > >>I've replaced the H7206B AND the control/status cable between the H7206BN > > >>and the XMI regulators AND the XTC sequencer.  I've compared voltages atM > > >>the various pins of the control connector on the respective H7215s and, M > > >>while they differ, I do not have any information that tells me which is  > > >>which. > > >>O > > >>So I'm still hoping to find someone who has deeper knowledge of the power N > > >>system and is willing to share.  I really wish I could find someone withL > > >>schematics of the H7206B and XTC sequencer, as it's plausible that theO > > >>replacements don't work, either.  In fact, the H7206B has an odd symptom: L > > >>its internal fan does not turn.  I had intended to replace it but, forP > > >>some reason, decided to test the existing fan before I did: it worked fineL > > >>on a bench supply.  It looks like it feeds off the same 24v as the bigN > > >>cabinet fans (which I've verified are really powered and turning).  This> > > >>symptom exists in both the original and the replacement. > > >>O > > >>Does anyone perhaps have any additional service information in an old box K > > >>of fiche?  (I have all the usual "owner's documentation," such as the O > > >>technical information manual, maintenance guide, etc.)  Schematics, or at / > > >>least logic diagrams, would sure help....  > > >>O > > >>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the saga of my large room  > > >>fan....  -- Ian  > > >>4 > > >>iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org > > >  > > >  > > >    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 15:15:36 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: VMS Support in India , Message-ID: <452e5c18$1@news.langstoeger.at>  g In article <452d74ef$0$5904$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: L >OK so it looks like the www.theinquirer.net rumour about OpenVMS moving to I >India was true, but has support for HP-UX moved to India as well? If it  N >hasn't, then I'll need to retract my statement a few years back where I said ' >"OpenVMS has found a good home at HP".  > M >On the flip side, Sue is over in Europe doing OpenVMS technical update days  5 >so it looks like HP is still promoting this product.    Only if you equate Sue to HP. @ Yes, Sue promotes VMS heavily, but I don't see HPQ doing this...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:41:28 -0700) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Support in India B Message-ID: <1160664088.531490.17450@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > DaveG wrote:H > > How do you *know* that Nemo is/was the last hurrah for VMS?  Current > > roadmaps show otherwise. >  > I > VMS customers have learned thatr roadmaps are not legal commitments. HP G > can change them at any time. Where is the VAX version of 8.2 that had  > been on the roadmap ?   F Didn't suggest that roadmaps were/are legal commitments.  Roadmaps canD and often do change for a variety of reasons.  And to answer the VAXF 8.2 comment.  Is it *really* worth the engineering effort?  Is there aG large enough customer ( not hobbyist ) demand to make worth it for them  to do?  My guess is no.    Dave...    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:21:25 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk! Subject: Re: VMS Support in India B Message-ID: <1160666485.344110.74720@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  E I think you hit the nail on the head there Dave.  My understanding is D that the clients who were paying for maintenance on OpenVMS VAX wereD not on 7.3 anyway so had no need of a new version with new features.  A Many customers on VAX stayed at 5.5-2 since this was a stable and , supported (via PVS) release.  Same with 6.2.   Steve    DaveG wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > DaveG wrote:J > > > How do you *know* that Nemo is/was the last hurrah for VMS?  Current > > > roadmaps show otherwise. > >  > > K > > VMS customers have learned thatr roadmaps are not legal commitments. HP I > > can change them at any time. Where is the VAX version of 8.2 that had  > > been on the roadmap ?  > H > Didn't suggest that roadmaps were/are legal commitments.  Roadmaps canF > and often do change for a variety of reasons.  And to answer the VAXH > 8.2 comment.  Is it *really* worth the engineering effort?  Is there aI > large enough customer ( not hobbyist ) demand to make worth it for them  > to do?  My guess is no.  > 	 > Dave...    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2006 16:02:03 GMT! From: Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Support in India = Message-ID: <Xns985AB7758594Adocopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.34>   G prep@prep.synonet.com wrote in news:877iz6n34a.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com:   % > VMSguy <vmsguy@comcast.net> writes:  > F >> My response - then cut my support contract to 10% of what it is now. >> - that is what I feel the service is worth. > D > No, crank up you `support' with hp to top level garenteed fix time+ > with a large penalty for non conformance.  > H > Treat it as a revenue source. If they are 10 sec over time, bill them.  G I'm tempted to agree with Paul here, if you regularly need support get   penalty clauses in and use 'em.   J Just beware the companies that try to outsource *and* undercut HP.  We've + have one of those to deal with on Deathrow.   I http://www.cognizant.com need a pile of hardware and licensing brochures  H sent to their various Indian service centres because the bottom-feeding D scum tried to run their training courses using the Deathrow cluster.  F We disusered accounts, sent mails pointing out their violation of the I Hobbyist license, set up violation notices on the system, and eventually  B just firewalled their entire IP range.  If you offer low-cost VMS - "shell" accounts you might want to spam them.   J Incidentally, having seen the content of user directories I'd run away if J they offer you Cobol or DCL skills.  They don't have them, and they're to + cheap to pay for the resources to get them.      Doc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:27:56 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ! Subject: Re: VMS Support in India + Message-ID: <4p78t9Fhltb4U1@individual.net>   ( On 2006-10-12 00:50, "Neil Rieck" wrote:   > [...]  > N > On the flip side, Sue is over in Europe doing OpenVMS technical update days 6 > so it looks like HP is still promoting this product.(                                ^^^^^^^^^  F Isn't that more like "preaching to the choir"? You simply can't inviteA people you don't know of -- i.e., _prospective_ customers. (AFAIK G current customers and members of <insert the current name of the user's @ group formerly known as DECUS here> are getting the invitation.)   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:46:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <9iAa+RIWTKOk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4p48ijFgvbinU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > H > Contrived scenario.  Is the VMS System Disk local or over the network?  C    Local disk.  Real scenario.  I've seen it happen many times back E    when we had RP06 (removable disk pack) on our 11/780.  I've known  C    it to happen to others who's DSSI chassis had a power glitch.  I /    don't think today's disk hardware is immune.   7    I know systems can hang for NFS until it comes back.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:47:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <QxrisBZYpp$f@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4p4cskFgpgefU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > < > And would VMS fare any better with a Firewire System Disk? >   E    Yes.  VMS will keep the drive in mount verify until it comes back. *    There's no "too slow" on a local drive.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 07:49:20 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <dJPo$HWuDlKq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <slrneiq7t4.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:  > J > Not the best of examples because it would survive just fine with Solaris, > assuming hot-plug bays and mirrored setup.  1    Mirrored?  VMS don't need no stinkin' mirrors.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:56:29 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <+HdRIDZ8HDuC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <9iAa+RIWTKOk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: X > In article <4p48ijFgvbinU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  I >> Contrived scenario.  Is the VMS System Disk local or over the network?  > E >    Local disk.  Real scenario.  I've seen it happen many times back : >    when we had RP06 (removable disk pack) on our 11/780.  > In fact, that was how Mount Verification came about.  A rookie= programmer in VMS Development removed the wrong disk pack and . was then told to implement Mount verification.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 00:46:41 -0700! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> % Subject: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS C Message-ID: <1160639201.077768.255490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   C I have seen a commmand file fcopy$startup.com  in systartup_v5.com. 6 I want to know what application it is associated with?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:01:19 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ) Subject: Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS ; Message-ID: <452e1231$0$5927$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   - "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1160639201.077768.255490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... D >I have seen a commmand file fcopy$startup.com  in systartup_v5.com.8 > I want to know what application it is associated with? >   H I've never seen "fcopy" in this startup file. Perhaps it was related to > third-party software added to your system by a previous sysop.  E p.s. wasn't there something called FastCopy which was available from   www.softlink.com ?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html: http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 03:22:19 -0700! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS C Message-ID: <1160648539.601948.156880@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   
 Thanks a lot.   3 Yes, it is a third party s/w & it can be FastCopy .    Neil Rieck wrote: . > "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1160639201.077768.255490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... F > >I have seen a commmand file fcopy$startup.com  in systartup_v5.com.: > > I want to know what application it is associated with? > >  > I > I've never seen "fcopy" in this startup file. Perhaps it was related to @ > third-party software added to your system by a previous sysop. > F > p.s. wasn't there something called FastCopy which was available from > www.softlink.com ? >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html; > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2006 08:33:20 -0700) From: "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> ) Subject: Re: what is FCOPY s/w on VAX VMS C Message-ID: <1160667200.184071.276640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    alok wrote:  > Thanks a lot.  > 5 > Yes, it is a third party s/w & it can be FastCopy .  >  > Neil Rieck wrote: 0 > > "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> wrote in messageA > > news:1160639201.077768.255490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... H > > >I have seen a commmand file fcopy$startup.com  in systartup_v5.com.< > > > I want to know what application it is associated with? > > >  > > K > > I've never seen "fcopy" in this startup file. Perhaps it was related to B > > third-party software added to your system by a previous sysop. > > H > > p.s. wasn't there something called FastCopy which was available from > > www.softlink.com ? > >  > > Neil Rieck! > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > > Ontario, Canada.< > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html= > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.561 ************************