1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 567       Contents:+ Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"  Re: Death of VMS. Re: Debugger GUI only working on some machines DS10L to a good home... % F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2 ) Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2 4 Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir4 Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next weekF Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! Re: VAX Throttle under SIMH & Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 08:17:18 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>4 Subject: Re: "VMS people can write their own ticket"A Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-ur8Ngdd7KddM@C0A80116.tipt.aol.com>   3 On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:13:18 UTC, David J Dachtera  # <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:    > Dave Weatherall wrote: > > 5 > > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:23:56 UTC, David J Dachtera ' > > <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote:  > > 
 > > <Snip> > > U > > > Myopia is a greater threat to the world and humankind than The Plague ever was. B > > > The "least common denominator" is, indeed, disturbingly low. > > F > > A nitpick, because I've only just realised why it bugged me when I > > first read it. > > H > > There would be a major difference between _least_ common denominatorG > > and _lowest_ common denominator. The latter being what I was taught J > > when learning to fractions at school in Wales.  Was/Is it different in > > the US?  > B > In the US at least, "least" and "lowest" are roughly synonymous. > B > > One could argue that 'least common' is the opposite of what is, > > intended as it implies 'most different'. > R > Thus arises the ambiguity: when "least" is married to the word which immediatelyG > follows it, thus creating a phrase the author/speaker did not intend: , > "denominator" modified by "least common".  > N > The proper structure is the phrase "common denominator" modified by "least". >  > > Is this normal US usage? > = > Quite typical, yes. The propriety is, of course, debatable.   F Thanks for the explanation David. It does help to identify those areasF where our two nations are separated by the common language problem :-)   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 02:31:54 -0700% From: "Antoniov" <antoniov@shs-av.it>  Subject: Re: Death of VMS C Message-ID: <1160904714.315136.146320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote: O > Likewise, I am a long-time VMS professional who finds the value of his skills 5 > greatly eroded by the actions of VMS's proprietors. G Me too. This year my revenue from Windows Platform will be greater than = VMS platform. It's the first time since I've known VMS. Sigh!  > ? > However, "VMS is dead" is still pre-mature, in my estimation.  > N > I would go along with "VMS is in very extremely grave, mortal peril" at this8 > point. Think of Harry Potter dueling with Voldemort... >  I strongly agree. C However I can't understand where VMS is going to. I wonder if HP-UX E affinity program means Death on Arrival by VMS. Why someone would buy E VMS with some HP-UX application instead of buying HP-UX directly? And D then, if someone buys an Integrity server with OpenVMS, it can't useF VMS as file server (Samba is just a beta release)! So it must also buy0 a Windows 2003 server or a Unix/Linux server!!!!G In my mind VMS needs a user-friendly interface, like Windows 2003, with G a real RDP server inside. Then any customer can choice between a robust ( VMS server o a weak Windows 2003 server.   My 2 cents.  Antonio  http://it.openvms.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:42:04 -0500  From: Jeff <@>7 Subject: Re: Debugger GUI only working on some machines , Message-ID: <4531ca32$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   amelia_airhead@yahoo.com wrote:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote:C >> I'd suspect that the NEEDMORE message comes from an error in the E >> (optional) debugger initialization file. Please have a look at the G >> value of the logical name DBG$INIT, and if it's defined, look at the % >> commands in the file it points to.    > D >   There's nothing in the VMSDEBUG.DAT, I deleted everything in it.  >   Amelia,   I VMSDEBUG.DAT is not the same as DBG$INIT. Martin suspects (as do I) that  I you have a command file that is being processed by the debugger when you  E   start your debugging session. There are commands in that file that  & cause the errors you are experiencing.  8 Use these commands to see what is in your DBG$INIT file:  - $ write sys$output f$parse("dbg$init",".com") " $ type 'f$parse("dbg$init",".com")  * Please post the results of these commands.   Thanks.    -Jeff    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:35:41 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>  Subject: DS10L to a good home...' Message-ID: <1HrYg.270$4T6.91@trnddc02>   J We have two DS10L systems that work but are no longer practical for us... J free to a good hopefully local home.... in the baltimore/washington area, G drop me a note kuff at tessco dot com ... openvms hobbyist only please     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:33:58 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>. Subject: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2( Message-ID: <qFrYg.269$4T6.130@trnddc02>  I Hi,  anyone see how to get the actual SAN controller serving the storage  ' from a F$Getdvi or otherwise in v7.3-2? E I am looking for this info, I can get it from parsing the output but  L f$getdvi would be more fun.. The data under current path would be optimal... ud:Kuff> show dev/multi dsa101> Device                  Device           Error         Current=  Name                   Status           Count  Paths    path 6 $1$DGA151:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   8/ 8  PGA0.5000-1FE1-500A-62EB6 $1$DGA221:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   4/ 4  PGB0.5000-1FE1-5000-4539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:01:08 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-94AD5A.19010815102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ( In article <qFrYg.269$4T6.130@trnddc02>,(  "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote:  K > Hi,  anyone see how to get the actual SAN controller serving the storage  ) > from a F$Getdvi or otherwise in v7.3-2? G > I am looking for this info, I can get it from parsing the output but  N > f$getdvi would be more fun.. The data under current path would be optimal...  > ud:Kuff> show dev/multi dsa101@ > Device                  Device           Error         Current? >  Name                   Status           Count  Paths    path 8 > $1$DGA151:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   8/ 8  > PGA0.5000-1FE1-500A-62EB8 > $1$DGA221:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   4/ 4  > PGB0.5000-1FE1-5000-4539  F I don't have any SANs, but with HSJ and HSZ controllers, I have found  the following useful:   < $ device_type_name= (f$getdvi(disk_name, "device_type_name")- $ host_name = f$getdvi(disk_name,"host_name")    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:06:21 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> = Subject: Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir ; Message-ID: <453215f3$0$5905$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   ; "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in message  C news:8660a3a10610102133x1112c93ep7f9a5258729f3604@mail.gmail.com...    [...snip...]   > "Tough Choices," >  > Tough choices, my a**..  > C > "Shall we buy a fleet of Gulstreams or lay a bunch of folks off?"  >  > I know!  Let's do both!  > ! > Now it's off to Davos for me...  >  > Let them eat pinkslips!  >  > WWWebb  L It's funny you mention this. Back in Feb-2005 I attended "OpenVMS Technical J Outlook 2005" in Toronto where Terry Shannon spoke for at least 5 minutes L about Carly's monkey business (I looked around the room at HP employees who M appeared more than a little shocked by this speech). Anyway, Terry mentioned   things like:  < 1) "Fleet of Gulf Streams" (I think he said she purchased 5)  ( 2) Mostly missing in action at HP while:  H 2a) she was off doing photo ops (don't get me wrong: she is attractive, F articulate and rich. But what does this have to do with the health of 	 OpenVMS?)   M 2b) part of President Bush's industry advisory panel for a manned mission to  @ Mars (But what does this have to do with the health of OpenVMS?)  D 3) seemed more interested in selling printers, scanners and printer L cartridges than anything else (Hey, you probably focus on what you know and 2 she seemed not to know about minis and mainframes)  8 4)  The share price fell > 50% while she was at the helm  I 5) Her parachute was valued at $20M cash and$30M of stock (so why is she   bitter?)  K The following key note speech does not mention most of the above facts but  K it will remind you of some of the things going on at HP in 2004  and early   1Q2005H http://www.encompasscanada.com/documents/sem-Tor05/Toronto%20Keynote.pptT http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminar-tor05-speakernotes-icouldhavehadaV8point2.htm  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:21:44 -0400 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> = Subject: Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir * Message-ID: <45326E28.1020001@comcast.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  [...] : > 4)  The share price fell > 50% while she was at the helm > K > 5) Her parachute was valued at $20M cash and$30M of stock (so why is she  
 > bitter?)  G Because the numbers should have been $50M and $60M - fair compensation  - for driving the share price down by half.	:-(   I I wish I could make as much money for being an incompetent jerk and then  C whining about it on national TV.  Almost makes me want to become a   Republican.	:-)    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2006 23:05:40 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week B Message-ID: <1160892340.849946.295930@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Bill Todd wrote: [...] L > >> My daughter asked me to watch the science fiction series Babylon 5 withL > >> her a while ago, and we've just gotten through the first half of seasonK > >> 3.  That series of episodes could not be made today:  what was a grim, M > >> "1984"-ish fantasy a decade ago would now be seen as highly-inflammatory K > >> political commentary (the veiled references in recent Star Wars movies ! > >> were nothing by comparison).  > > ( > > Star Wars? You've got to be kidding. > 2 > I'm not much inclined to kid about this subject.   Right.   >   >   What a bunch of crap. Veiled > > references in Star Wars? > * > That's what I said, that's what I meant.   Sure.    > / >   I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thru 	 > > III),  > E > So, as often seems to be the case, you're speaking out on a subject & > about which you're utterly ignorant.  E Hmmmm, Google reports I made 1771 posts, 1642 of them in comp.os.vms. ( Now just how many of them have you read?  F I still find it hard to take Star Wars seriously. No, I didn't see allE 6 movies (I saw the first (last) three), but I've read about them and ? heard about them and I've decided I'm not missing much. I think # "utterly ignorant" is a bit strong.   G > > I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience + > > into silence by calling Star Wars crap.  > H > You have to take that statement in the context of the fact that HarlanG > considers himself to be a Serious Writer, rather than an entertainer.  [...]  >  > > He was right.  > I > No:  Harlan is not always right, just always *certain* - which can have & > a strong influence on the weak mind.  C Hmmm. Check you're reading skills. I didn't say "always". Check it.  It's only 5 lines up.   G I was simply agreeing with him on this point. That's all. Nowhere did I  say "always". Check it again.   A In the future, kindly try not to imply I said something I didn't.    > - bill   Nice chatting with you again.    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2006 23:10:28 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week B Message-ID: <1160892628.304482.83660@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: > > AEF wrote: > > > Bill Todd wrote: > [...]  [...]  > [...]  > >  > > > He was right.  > > K > > No:  Harlan is not always right, just always *certain* - which can have ( > > a strong influence on the weak mind. > E > Hmmm. Check you're reading skills. I didn't say "always". Check it.  > It's only 5 lines up.   G All right. Change that to "It's a few lines up." It *was* five lines up % in the Google Groups compose window.     [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:15:45 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! : Message-ID: <K5mdnR9f_PIH36_YnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  2 > In article <453114B1.5DAFBA8D@spam.comcast.net>,8 > 	David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: >  >>So, question:  >>R >>Suppose Bruden, Parsec, TES, (the corporate parent of) Process, TDI, SP/32, etc.R >>were to combine their financial resources. Assuming such level of cooperation isO >>attainable, would the resultant partnership have the financial wherewithal to Q >>wrest OpenVMS away from HP (and buy openvms.com from someone I know personally) ' >>and finally let it be what it CAN be?  >  > M > How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not. K > And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that  > is not for sale. >  > bill >   F If you offer enough money you can buy almost anything!  HP is clearly E not very interested in VMS for any other purpose than milking it for   whatever profits might remain.  H Selling VMS would let them concentrate on things they do well, like ink 
 and toner!   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 08:17:20 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>$ Subject: Re: VAX Throttle under SIMHA Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-th0tOrjGEVG7@C0A80116.tipt.aol.com>   1 On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:27:08 UTC, "Villy Madsen"   <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> wrote:    > Greetings  >  > Just to satisfy my curiosity > 9 > could you send me an e-mail  or leave a posting on here  > G > if you are using or have used from throttled version of the SIMH VAX  
 > emulator >  > Thanks >  > Villy Madsen >  > FirstName.LastName@Shaw.ca    * Only thought about trying it yesterday :-)   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 08:40:06 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>/ Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX A Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-2jtXswRoIsg7@C0A80116.tipt.aol.com>   B On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:47:59 UTC, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  wrote:  _ > In article <egp9kc02mbi@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote: * > > Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:b > >> In article <egoov101qm1@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote: > >> >L > >> > My question would be, do *any* of the emulators support "idling" on aP > >> > laptop?  You really don't want the emulation driving the host CPU at 100%, > >> > all the time, especially on a laptop. > > A > >> SIMH does, with Villy Madsen's patch. CHARON-* does as well.  > > N > > Is the patch host OS specific, or host OS neutral?  I've a system or two I! > > might consider running it on.  > J > Regarding Mr. Madsen's SIMH patches for idling SIMH when the emulated OS > is not heavily computing:  > D > David Holland provided a Linux port (minor modifications involved,H > mostly some general portability clean-ups) which was reintegrated backE > into Mr. Madsen's patches and has been verified as working for both  > Win32 and Linux. > J > Presumably other UNIX OSes that already runs SIMH should also be able to= > build and run it, possibly with minor tweaks to the source.  >  > 	http://68.150.97.212/simh/  > H > I *think* Mr. Madsen also made this stuff work for the PDP-11 as well,6 > though I didn't pay as much attention to that angle. > @ > It was a technically interesting exercise as to how Mr. MadsenD > implemented this work (partly by using the DN-11 I/O address afterI > correctly reasoning that this was unlikely to be used by most people in  > a simulated environment).  >  > -Dan  B The address quoted above isn't available just now but you can get  Villy's Simh stuff by   , 	http:///www.members.shaw.ca/insert his.name  A or google for madsen simh throttle to avoid exposing his name to   unwanted bots.   --   Cheers - Dave W.  1 PS Villy I've tried it yet :-) Got to read first!    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.567 ************************