1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 568       Contents:$ Correction - DS10L to a good home... Re: DS10L to a good home... ) Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2 ) Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2 4 Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week4 Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:30 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>- Subject: Correction - DS10L to a good home... * Message-ID: <KvyYg.7933$6D3.5657@trnddc01>  L Folks, a bit of a grammatical correction here...  I meant a hobbyist in the J Baltimore/Washington area ...kind of a pick up thing... I am flattered by  the international response....    2 "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote in message ! news:1HrYg.270$4T6.91@trnddc02... L > We have two DS10L systems that work but are no longer practical for us... L > free to a good hopefully local home.... in the baltimore/washington area, H > drop me a note kuff at tessco dot com ... openvms hobbyist only please >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 10:59:12 -0700% From: "gerrie" <g.wiedijk1@chello.nl> $ Subject: Re: DS10L to a good home...C Message-ID: <1160935152.476735.175430@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hal Kuff schreef:   K > We have two DS10L systems that work but are no longer practical for us... K > free to a good hopefully local home.... in the baltimore/washington area, H > drop me a note kuff at tessco dot com ... openvms hobbyist only please   Hi Hal,   C I'll receive a DS10L in a vew days, and like to make a VMS cluster;   want to ship to The Netherlands?   Gerrie   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:25:41 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>2 Subject: Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2* Message-ID: <FzyYg.7945$6D3.4860@trnddc01>  M     Hi, yes that yields the controller type.. in this case an HSV210 and the  J second symbol the local host name since it is presented to the local node  via SSP ... thanks though...!     = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  D news:paul.sture.nospam-94AD5A.19010815102006@mac.sture.homeip.net...* > In article <qFrYg.269$4T6.130@trnddc02>,) > "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote:  > K >> Hi,  anyone see how to get the actual SAN controller serving the storage * >> from a F$Getdvi or otherwise in v7.3-2?G >> I am looking for this info, I can get it from parsing the output but E >> f$getdvi would be more fun.. The data under current path would be  
 >> optimal... ! >> ud:Kuff> show dev/multi dsa101 A >> Device                  Device           Error         Current @ >>  Name                   Status           Count  Paths    path8 >> $1$DGA151:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   8/ 8 >> PGA0.5000-1FE1-500A-62EB 8 >> $1$DGA221:       (BUD)  ShadowSetMember      0   4/ 4 >> PGB0.5000-1FE1-5000-4539  > G > I don't have any SANs, but with HSJ and HSZ controllers, I have found  > the following useful:  > > > $ device_type_name= (f$getdvi(disk_name, "device_type_name")/ > $ host_name = f$getdvi(disk_name,"host_name")  >  > --  
 > Paul Sture     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:12:50 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-FEEC9B.01125016102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <FzyYg.7945$6D3.4860@trnddc01>,(  "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote:  O >     Hi, yes that yields the controller type.. in this case an HSV210 and the  L > second symbol the local host name since it is presented to the local node  > via SSP ... thanks though...!   H Sorry. Looking at the problem again, here's a full list of the f$getdvi @ arguments which contain the string "path", valid as at VMS V8.2.   AVAILABLE_PATH_COUNT MPDEV_AUTO_PATH_SW_CNT MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH MPDEV_MAN_PATH_SW_CNT 	 MULTIPATH  PATH_AVAILABLE PATH_NOT_RESPONDING  PATH_POLL_ENABLED  PATH_SWITCH_FROM_TIME  PATH_SWITCH_TO_TIME  PATH_USER_DISABLED TOTAL_PATH_COUNT  E While I'm at it, I have some bits of DCL which will produce a simple  D list of all the available returns from f$getdvi for a given device, ( which I can zip up and mail if you wish.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:14:11 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> = Subject: Re: Former HP CEO Fiorina Pulls No Punches in Memoir J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-7C9BD9.21141115102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <45326E28.1020001@comcast.net>,/  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:    > Neil Rieck wrote:  > [...] < > > 4)  The share price fell > 50% while she was at the helm > > M > > 5) Her parachute was valued at $20M cash and$30M of stock (so why is she   > > bitter?) > I > Because the numbers should have been $50M and $60M - fair compensation  / > for driving the share price down by half.	:-(  > K > I wish I could make as much money for being an incompetent jerk and then  E > whining about it on national TV.  Almost makes me want to become a   > Republican.	:-)    Tell you what... :-)  H I'll take the job, and spend as much time as possible adopting a 'hands I off' approach (read; attending dinners or otherwise racking up expenses)  H until I get the boot. With the right parachute, I could probably retire  after a month.  F Heck, I'd even learn to enjoy doing PowerPoint for that kind of money!   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:11:24 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week G Message-ID: <DsSdnS0xCJlQ5K_YnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Bill Todd wrote:
 >> AEF wrote:    ...   0 >>   I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thru	 >>> III), F >> So, as often seems to be the case, you're speaking out on a subject' >> about which you're utterly ignorant.  > G > Hmmmm, Google reports I made 1771 posts, 1642 of them in comp.os.vms. * > Now just how many of them have you read?  G Enough to justify my use of 'often' above:  as I said before, I almost  # invariably mean exactly what I say.   > I've read fewer of your posts as time went on, of course:  my H inclination to read posts which I consider likely to be a waste of time B has limits, and, as you point out, you do babble rather copiously.   > H > I still find it hard to take Star Wars seriously. No, I didn't see allG > 6 movies (I saw the first (last) three), but I've read about them and A > heard about them and I've decided I'm not missing much. I think % > "utterly ignorant" is a bit strong.   I No, but perhaps I could have quoted a bit more of your drivel to make it    clearer what I was referring to:  H "Veiled references in Star Wars? I haven't seen the more recent ones (I G thru III), but any "veiled references" were probably just you thinking  , about such things while watching the movie."  F So you made a to all appearances completely baseless assumption about F the content of a film about which you were, AFAICT, truly and utterly 7 ignorant at the applicable level of detail.  Clear now?    > G >>> I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience + >>> into silence by calling Star Wars crap. I >> You have to take that statement in the context of the fact that Harlan H >> considers himself to be a Serious Writer, rather than an entertainer. > [...]  >>> He was right. J >> No:  Harlan is not always right, just always *certain* - which can have' >> a strong influence on the weak mind.  > E > Hmmm. Check you're reading skills. I didn't say "always". Check it.   H No, you didn't.  And therefore, of course, I in no way claimed that you + did:  check your own reading skills, idiot.   E I simply claimed that Harlan was wrong, despite (characteristically)  B being unequivocal in his expression (and then made a reference to F suggest why you might have found his assertion credible and worthy of 
 citation).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:16:08 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week G Message-ID: <3ZGdnenZuP_lZK_YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Bill Todd wrote: > AEF wrote: >> Bill Todd wrote:  >>> AEF wrote: >  > ...  > 1 >>>   I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thru 
 >>>> III),G >>> So, as often seems to be the case, you're speaking out on a subject ( >>> about which you're utterly ignorant. >>H >> Hmmmm, Google reports I made 1771 posts, 1642 of them in comp.os.vms.+ >> Now just how many of them have you read?  > I > Enough to justify my use of 'often' above:  as I said before, I almost  % > invariably mean exactly what I say.   D Y'know, that probably merits a bit of expansion - not only to avoid H potential rat-holes but to make it clear exactly what I'm talking about.  I When I said 'often' (not 'usually', or even 'so often' - just 'often') I  I referred to behavior sufficiently common on your part to generalize from  F - in particular, sloppy analysis based on shaky foundations or worse. G It may not pervade your posts, but it's frequently visible in parts of    them if one is paying attention.  H This is not worth commenting upon because of its rarity, but rather the A reverse:  it's *typical* of Usenet (and more generally Internet)  F discourse.  The 'Internet revolution' has given Everyman a voice, and : while in some ways that's a Good Thing in others it's not.  E Where once people's statements tended to get public exposure only if  E they were sufficiently interesting and well-thought-out to merit it,  H nowadays everyone's (often largely-unfiltered) thoughts are out there - I and the result is a dramatic lowering in the quality of public discourse  D (in part because people often don't bother to differentiate between H 'well-thought-out' material and all the rest of the random garbage that  they're now exposed to).  D This observation is not intellectual snobbery:  I suspect that most C people, if they gave the matter any real thought, would agree that  H Everyman's pontifications are, on average, of conspicuously lower value G than ideas subject to even simple marketplace filtering (let alone the  H kind of review that professional publications subject material to).  It I is, rather, a comment on intellectual slobbery:  the tacit acceptance of  I the idea that because drivel has become pervasive, one has no particular  K personal responsibility to try to rise above it in one's own contributions.   @ Every time that personal bias is allowed to substitute for real G analysis, the author contributes to the problem.  Every time that this  I is allowed to pass without comment, to some small degree the reader does   as well.  H So while I don't expect to mount a successful one-man crusade that will I radically elevate the quality of Usenet thought, when I encounter drivel  E (and those who spout it) in the particular locales that I frequent I  H often make a point of highlighting it (and them):  if even a few people B eventually start to become more self-disciplined in their thought I processes as a result, I'll consider it worthwhile; if not, I guess I'll   just consider it a hobby.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 20:52:55 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week B Message-ID: <1160970775.775048.27480@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Bill Todd wrote: > >> AEF wrote:  >  > ...  > 2 > >>   I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thru > >>> III), H > >> So, as often seems to be the case, you're speaking out on a subject) > >> about which you're utterly ignorant.  > > I > > Hmmmm, Google reports I made 1771 posts, 1642 of them in comp.os.vms. , > > Now just how many of them have you read? > H > Enough to justify my use of 'often' above:  as I said before, I almost% > invariably mean exactly what I say.  > ? > I've read fewer of your posts as time went on, of course:  my I > inclination to read posts which I consider likely to be a waste of time D > has limits, and, as you point out, you do babble rather copiously.  D I try to help people in cov with VMS problems when I can, and I haveF often done so. People have even explicitly thanked me for helping them; with their problems. You, OTOH, concentrate on off-topic or C somewhat-off-topic stuff and I don't recall you helping anyone with E real VMS problems, or at least not much. So you've probably only read A my posts on off-topic posts, which are a small fraction of all my  posts.  F Anyway, I just looked up YOUR profile: all groups: 5026 posts. Post inE cov: 2835. So who's babbling copiously now, bub? You've posted almost  twice as many as I have in cov.    >  > > J > > I still find it hard to take Star Wars seriously. No, I didn't see allI > > 6 movies (I saw the first (last) three), but I've read about them and C > > heard about them and I've decided I'm not missing much. I think ' > > "utterly ignorant" is a bit strong.  > J > No, but perhaps I could have quoted a bit more of your drivel to make it" > clearer what I was referring to: > I > "Veiled references in Star Wars? I haven't seen the more recent ones (I H > thru III), but any "veiled references" were probably just you thinking. > about such things while watching the movie." > G > So you made a to all appearances completely baseless assumption about G > the content of a film about which you were, AFAICT, truly and utterly 9 > ignorant at the applicable level of detail.  Clear now?   F I said "probably". It is well known that people like to be right aboutC things and that they tend to sop up even the slightest evidence, or F what appears to be evidence, supporting their views and tend to ignoreB evidence that refutes their views. Just like with people measuringE their mileage at various speeds, which YOU brought up. Hey, we agreed 
 there too!  G You appear to be equating "probably" with "definitely". They're not the  same.    >  > > I > >>> I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience - > >>> into silence by calling Star Wars crap. K > >> You have to take that statement in the context of the fact that Harlan J > >> considers himself to be a Serious Writer, rather than an entertainer.	 > > [...]  > >>> He was right. L > >> No:  Harlan is not always right, just always *certain* - which can have) > >> a strong influence on the weak mind.  > > G > > Hmmm. Check you're reading skills. I didn't say "always". Check it.  > I > No, you didn't.  And therefore, of course, I in no way claimed that you - > did:  check your own reading skills, idiot.   2 Let's look at that again in slow motion, shall we?       Me: He was right. (     You: No: Harlan is not always right.  F > I simply claimed that Harlan was wrong, despite (characteristically)C > being unequivocal in his expression (and then made a reference to G > suggest why you might have found his assertion credible and worthy of  > citation).  D The "No" is clearly refuting my statement, the colon in this context@ means "introduces a clause or phrase that explains, illustrates,? amplifies, or restates what has gone before" [Webster Collegate > dictionary, 9th edition] which means my interpretation is moreF consistent with what you wrote. You now say you meant otherwise. Fine,? but that's not what you wrote. In fact, I was simply stating my E agreement with him; not using him as a gold-standard reference, which D is what you seem to have assumed, and I really don't see how or why.   I still think Harlan was right.   D I think you've been hanging out with the wookie a little too much!!!: Yeah, there's some evidence for seriousness: the wookie!!!   >  > - bill   AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:48:59 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: Heads up: La Fiorina's book coming out next week G Message-ID: <Lt6dnX27hIqmkq7YnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Bill Todd wrote:
 >> AEF wrote:  >>> Bill Todd wrote: >>>> AEF wrote:  >> ... >>2 >>>>   I haven't seen the more recent ones (I thru >>>>> III), H >>>> So, as often seems to be the case, you're speaking out on a subject) >>>> about which you're utterly ignorant. I >>> Hmmmm, Google reports I made 1771 posts, 1642 of them in comp.os.vms. , >>> Now just how many of them have you read?I >> Enough to justify my use of 'often' above:  as I said before, I almost & >> invariably mean exactly what I say. >>@ >> I've read fewer of your posts as time went on, of course:  myJ >> inclination to read posts which I consider likely to be a waste of timeE >> has limits, and, as you point out, you do babble rather copiously.  > F > I try to help people in cov with VMS problems when I can, and I haveH > often done so. People have even explicitly thanked me for helping them > with their problems.  F Well, I guess it's nice for you that *some* of your contributions are  appreciated.  (   You, OTOH, concentrate on off-topic or > somewhat-off-topic stuff  B Oh, really?  I guess VMS's (and its platform's) viability and the G credibility of its vendor must not qualify as 'on-topic' in your book,  G despite the fact that they're arguably of far more significance to the  1 readers here than most of your own contributions.   F Or perhaps it's just one more incompetent generalization on your part.  ,   and I don't recall you helping anyone with* > real VMS problems, or at least not much.  H Perhaps you just haven't read enough - funny how you just suggested the I same of me, despite my far less general comment about the nature of your   contributions here.      So you've probably only readC > my posts on off-topic posts, which are a small fraction of all my  > posts.  F I covered that in my other post - too bad you don't seem to have read  (or at least understood) it.   > H > Anyway, I just looked up YOUR profile: all groups: 5026 posts. Post inG > cov: 2835. So who's babbling copiously now, bub? You've posted almost ! > twice as many as I have in cov.   7 Indeed - the obvious difference is that I don't babble.    > J >>> I still find it hard to take Star Wars seriously. No, I didn't see allI >>> 6 movies (I saw the first (last) three), but I've read about them and C >>> heard about them and I've decided I'm not missing much. I think ' >>> "utterly ignorant" is a bit strong. K >> No, but perhaps I could have quoted a bit more of your drivel to make it # >> clearer what I was referring to:  >>J >> "Veiled references in Star Wars? I haven't seen the more recent ones (II >> thru III), but any "veiled references" were probably just you thinking / >> about such things while watching the movie."  >>H >> So you made a to all appearances completely baseless assumption aboutH >> the content of a film about which you were, AFAICT, truly and utterly: >> ignorant at the applicable level of detail.  Clear now? >  > I said "probably".  B So what?  This hardly negates your willingness to generalize with  absolutely zero factual basis.  5 > It is well known that people like to be right about E > things and that they tend to sop up even the slightest evidence, or H > what appears to be evidence, supporting their views and tend to ignore$ > evidence that refutes their views.  E Really?  Care to cite something specific, rather than spout yet more  D vacuous generalizations?  And having done so, care to cite specific H evidence that this particular generalization (even if you can find some E actual data to back it up rather than just what you've pulled out of  3 your arse tonight) applies in the current instance?   G I'm not 'people', jerk:  I'm an individual.  In case you never had the  B benefit of formal education in statistics, they apply only to the @ average behavior of groups, not to specific individuals in them.  !   Just like with people measuring G > their mileage at various speeds, which YOU brought up. Hey, we agreed  > there too! > I > You appear to be equating "probably" with "definitely". They're not the  > same.   F It's the willingness to generalize incompetently that's your problem, ? idiot - not whether you throw in a mealy-mouthed qualification.    > I >>>>> I once went to a talk by Harlan Ellison and he stunned the audience - >>>>> into silence by calling Star Wars crap. K >>>> You have to take that statement in the context of the fact that Harlan J >>>> considers himself to be a Serious Writer, rather than an entertainer.	 >>> [...]  >>>>> He was right. L >>>> No:  Harlan is not always right, just always *certain* - which can have) >>>> a strong influence on the weak mind. G >>> Hmmm. Check you're reading skills. I didn't say "always". Check it. J >> No, you didn't.  And therefore, of course, I in no way claimed that you. >> did:  check your own reading skills, idiot. > 4 > Let's look at that again in slow motion, shall we? >  >     Me: He was right. * >     You: No: Harlan is not always right. > G >> I simply claimed that Harlan was wrong, despite (characteristically) D >> being unequivocal in his expression (and then made a reference toH >> suggest why you might have found his assertion credible and worthy of
 >> citation).  > , > The "No" is clearly refuting my statement,  ' Well, at least you got that part right.      the colon in this context B > means "introduces a clause or phrase that explains, illustrates,A > amplifies, or restates what has gone before" [Webster Collegate @ > dictionary, 9th edition] which means my interpretation is more! > consistent with what you wrote.   E Not at all:  as I already explained, it 'amplified' my refutation by  E serving up a possible explanation for why you felt that he was right  E (he's a very persuasive speaker and you're not all that bright - you  F really should have quoted the entire sentence above, since that makes ! the entire thought pretty clear).   (   You now say you meant otherwise. Fine,  > but that's not what you wrote.  I It is, as usual, *exactly* what I wrote:  read it again and for once try  3 to keep your own preconceptions out of the picture.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:09:21 -0700 ( From: Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu>) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start 2 Message-ID: <J77q6I.1LzM@beaver.cs.washington.edu>   bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: >  >>Ian King wrote:  >>0 >>>David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: >>>  [snip] >  >  > I see you cheated : ' > http://vaxine.bitcon.no/section6.html  > you bypassed the xsformer... >  > F No transformer on this one - from what I've read, the transformer was # only installed for the 50Hz models.   H As far as "220v", I'm just saying it's not 110.  I haven't measured it; H I understand it's probably 208v.  It's what comes out of the wall for a H dryer or some such in the US.  Per the article you cite, I've hooked it @ up with just L1 and L2.  I do have 300-ish volts at each of the 2 regulators - most expecially, the offending H7215.  A I tried unplugging the output connector for the H7215 - no help.   Behavior is the same.  -- Ian   E >>The load on the XMI H7215 output can it be isolated and metered for 
 >>shorts,etc. @ >>If it briefly comes on then shuts down, it mite see a short or >>something it doesn't like. >> >>I >>>>Have you had anything replaced by maintenance org that may be voltage  >>>>sensitive? >>> J >>>Nope.  I bought the machine on eBay, supposedly working <grrr>, from anM >>>intermediate party.  In other words, I don't know who last had it running.  >>>  >>> 9 >>>>"Ian King" <iking@cs.washington.edu> wrote in message / >>>>news:J6z9pK.rHn@beaver.cs.washington.edu...  >>>> >>>>	 >>>>>All,  >>>>> 5 >>>>>In the continuing saga of one man's VAX 6660....  >>>>> O >>>>>To quickly recap: when powered up, the machine's front panel lights up for N >>>>>about five seconds, then goes dark; the fans continue to run.  The H7206BN >>>>>shows an error LED claiming there's an XMI-1 card in the XMI-2 backplane;N >>>>>examination shows this is not true, and the same error shows even with NOO >>>>>cards in the XMI backplane.  The H7214 and H7242 regulators show DC OK for I >>>>>that five seconds, then go dark.  The H7215 never shows DC OK.  This M >>>>>machine also has VAXBI, and that side's regulators show DC OK; I swapped M >>>>>the H7215s between XMI and VAXBI, and either H7215 works on the BI side,  >>>>>but not the XMI side. >>>>> O >>>>>The last thing I was asked was: does the XMI-side H7215 show ANY activity, K >>>>>i.e. hook up a scope to its output and see if it ever flickers.  I did O >>>>>this, and the answer is yes: there is a very brief output voltage (I tried + >>>>>this on three different output lines).  >>>>> M >>>>>I've replaced the H7206B AND the control/status cable between the H7206B M >>>>>and the XMI regulators AND the XTC sequencer.  I've compared voltages at L >>>>>the various pins of the control connector on the respective H7215s and,L >>>>>while they differ, I do not have any information that tells me which is >>>>>which.  >>>>> N >>>>>So I'm still hoping to find someone who has deeper knowledge of the powerM >>>>>system and is willing to share.  I really wish I could find someone with K >>>>>schematics of the H7206B and XTC sequencer, as it's plausible that the N >>>>>replacements don't work, either.  In fact, the H7206B has an odd symptom:K >>>>>its internal fan does not turn.  I had intended to replace it but, for O >>>>>some reason, decided to test the existing fan before I did: it worked fine K >>>>>on a bench supply.  It looks like it feeds off the same 24v as the big M >>>>>cabinet fans (which I've verified are really powered and turning).  This = >>>>>symptom exists in both the original and the replacement.  >>>>> N >>>>>Does anyone perhaps have any additional service information in an old boxJ >>>>>of fiche?  (I have all the usual "owner's documentation," such as theN >>>>>technical information manual, maintenance guide, etc.)  Schematics, or at. >>>>>least logic diagrams, would sure help.... >>>>> N >>>>>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the saga of my large room >>>>>fan....  -- Ian >>>>> 3 >>>>>iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org  >>>> >>>> >>>> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:55:24 GMT $ From: "Mario" <mario@dominio1.local> Subject: Virtual VMS4 Message-ID: <0fxYg.4705$Fk1.9831@twister2.libero.it>  G I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can  3 anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions?  Thanks Mario    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:32:49 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMS. Message-ID: <ByzYg.148051$R63.24437@pd7urf1no>   Mario    Have a look at http://simh.trailing-edge.com/   Villy     0 "Mario" <mario@dominio1.local> wrote in message . news:0fxYg.4705$Fk1.9831@twister2.libero.it...H >I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can 4 >anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions? > Thanks > Mario  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:30:12 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMS5 Message-ID: <slrnej5kkk.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   X In article <0fxYg.4705$Fk1.9831@twister2.libero.it>, Mario <mario@dominio1.local> wrote:I > I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can  5 > anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions?   @ Certainly. These two are for emulating OpenVMS/VAX specifically.   Freeware emulator:  # SIMH: http://simh.trailing-edge.com   . Commercial (and very well supported) emulator:  : CHARON-VAX: http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm  H CHARON-VAX is higher performing and certified by HP, so use this if yourG inquiry is commercial-related. Otherwise, if it's for personal use, I'd  recommend SIMH.    CHARON-VAX runs on Windows.   : SIMH runs on Windows, Linux, MacOS X, and possibly others.  A Note: There is also a CHARON-ALPHA product as well, if you desire  OpenVMS/Alpha emulation.  > There is currently no emulation product available anywhere for OpenVMS/Itanium emulation.  I =========================================================================   H IF this is strictly for personal and non-commercial use, what you do is:  6 1. Join Encompass as an associate member at no charge:  @ http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/join_user_group.html  @ 2. Order VAX install CD media for USD $30 if you don't have one:  + http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html   D (Or you may be able to make informal arrangements here or elsewhere,. privately, to borrow someone's install media.)  G 3. Then to receive your free pile of VMS licenses (thanks to a generous @ hobbyist program and donation by HP -- but only for personal and non-commercial use):  0 http://openvmshobbyist.org/register_license.html  D Note: this will require that Encompass has processed your membershipG application and sent the information to these folks. This step may take  a while.  G You'll have to wait however long it takes. It may take a week, may take F four, may take eight at the most. Usually, it's reportedly closer to a week.   C Note: you will need to renew your licenses once a year through this B website -- also free. Commercial licenses generally do not expire.  ? 4. For more information on how to install OpenVMS if necessary:   - http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/install.html   G 5. There are some additional third party software provided at no charge C for the hobbyist program: they're *very* good software and a worthy 	 addition:   ? http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/third_party_sw.html   I =========================================================================   H If this is for commercial use, you will need to contact HP, a HP VAR, or= a third party company (e.g. CHARON-VAX reseller) to order the  appropriate licensed software.  F I know for sure that SIMH can run every single VAX version between 1.5 and 7.3 (the most current).   D SIMH can emulate the VAX 11/780 for versions between VMS 1.5 throughE 6.2, and can emulate a modified version of the KA655 processor -- aka ' MicroVAX 3900 -- for VMS 5.1 and later.   G CHARON-VAX can run at least VMS V4.6 or V5.5-2H4, depending on what VAX  hardware is being emulated.   D HP's list of minimum and maximum VMS version for any given hardware:  6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/HW_SUPPORTCHART.HTML   -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 20:06:19 -0700 From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com Subject: Re: Virtual VMSB Message-ID: <1160967978.966150.205240@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Dan Foster wrote: Z > In article <0fxYg.4705$Fk1.9831@twister2.libero.it>, Mario <mario@dominio1.local> wrote:J > > I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can7 > > anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions?  > B > Certainly. These two are for emulating OpenVMS/VAX specifically. >  > Freeware emulator: > % > SIMH: http://simh.trailing-edge.com  > 0 > Commercial (and very well supported) emulator: > < > CHARON-VAX: http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm > J > CHARON-VAX is higher performing and certified by HP, so use this if yourI > inquiry is commercial-related. Otherwise, if it's for personal use, I'd  > recommend SIMH.  >  > CHARON-VAX runs on Windows.  > < > SIMH runs on Windows, Linux, MacOS X, and possibly others. > C > Note: There is also a CHARON-ALPHA product as well, if you desire  > OpenVMS/Alpha emulation. > @ > There is currently no emulation product available anywhere for > OpenVMS/Itanium emulation. > K > =========================================================================  > J > IF this is strictly for personal and non-commercial use, what you do is: > 8 > 1. Join Encompass as an associate member at no charge: > B > http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/join_user_group.html > B > 2. Order VAX install CD media for USD $30 if you don't have one: > - > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html  > F > (Or you may be able to make informal arrangements here or elsewhere,0 > privately, to borrow someone's install media.) > I > 3. Then to receive your free pile of VMS licenses (thanks to a generous B > hobbyist program and donation by HP -- but only for personal and > non-commercial use): > 2 > http://openvmshobbyist.org/register_license.html > F > Note: this will require that Encompass has processed your membershipI > application and sent the information to these folks. This step may take 
 > a while. > I > You'll have to wait however long it takes. It may take a week, may take H > four, may take eight at the most. Usually, it's reportedly closer to a > week.  > E > Note: you will need to renew your licenses once a year through this D > website -- also free. Commercial licenses generally do not expire. > A > 4. For more information on how to install OpenVMS if necessary:  > / > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/install.html  > I > 5. There are some additional third party software provided at no charge E > for the hobbyist program: they're *very* good software and a worthy  > addition:  > A > http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/third_party_sw.html  > K > =========================================================================  > J > If this is for commercial use, you will need to contact HP, a HP VAR, or? > a third party company (e.g. CHARON-VAX reseller) to order the   > appropriate licensed software. > H > I know for sure that SIMH can run every single VAX version between 1.5 > and 7.3 (the most current).  > F > SIMH can emulate the VAX 11/780 for versions between VMS 1.5 throughG > 6.2, and can emulate a modified version of the KA655 processor -- aka ) > MicroVAX 3900 -- for VMS 5.1 and later.  > I > CHARON-VAX can run at least VMS V4.6 or V5.5-2H4, depending on what VAX  > hardware is being emulated.  > F > HP's list of minimum and maximum VMS version for any given hardware: > 8 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/HW_SUPPORTCHART.HTML >  > -Dan    E I made a download from charon-vax (vax for windows demonstration),and  I'm not satisfied G with this software. Where is lexical functions , show system commands ,  etc ??   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:18:17 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMS. Message-ID: <ZRCYg.143724$1T2.34427@pd7urf2no>  , <apogeusistemas@gmail.com> wrote in message < news:1160967978.966150.205240@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >  > Dan Foster wrote: > >> In article <0fxYg.4705$Fk1.9831@twister2.libero.it>, Mario   >> <mario@dominio1.local> wrote:K >> > I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can 8 >> > anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions? >>C >> Certainly. These two are for emulating OpenVMS/VAX specifically.  >> >> Freeware emulator:  >>& >> SIMH: http://simh.trailing-edge.com >>1 >> Commercial (and very well supported) emulator:  >>= >> CHARON-VAX: http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/index.htm  >>K >> CHARON-VAX is higher performing and certified by HP, so use this if your J >> inquiry is commercial-related. Otherwise, if it's for personal use, I'd >> recommend SIMH. >> >> CHARON-VAX runs on Windows. >>= >> SIMH runs on Windows, Linux, MacOS X, and possibly others.  >>D >> Note: There is also a CHARON-ALPHA product as well, if you desire >> OpenVMS/Alpha emulation.  >>A >> There is currently no emulation product available anywhere for  >> OpenVMS/Itanium emulation.  >>L >> ========================================================================= >>K >> IF this is strictly for personal and non-commercial use, what you do is:  >>9 >> 1. Join Encompass as an associate member at no charge:  >>C >> http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/join_user_group.html  >>C >> 2. Order VAX install CD media for USD $30 if you don't have one:  >>. >> http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html >>G >> (Or you may be able to make informal arrangements here or elsewhere, 1 >> privately, to borrow someone's install media.)  >>J >> 3. Then to receive your free pile of VMS licenses (thanks to a generousC >> hobbyist program and donation by HP -- but only for personal and  >> non-commercial use):  >>3 >> http://openvmshobbyist.org/register_license.html  >>G >> Note: this will require that Encompass has processed your membership J >> application and sent the information to these folks. This step may take >> a while.  >>J >> You'll have to wait however long it takes. It may take a week, may takeI >> four, may take eight at the most. Usually, it's reportedly closer to a  >> week. >>F >> Note: you will need to renew your licenses once a year through thisE >> website -- also free. Commercial licenses generally do not expire.  >>B >> 4. For more information on how to install OpenVMS if necessary: >>0 >> http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/install.html >>J >> 5. There are some additional third party software provided at no chargeF >> for the hobbyist program: they're *very* good software and a worthy >> addition: >>B >> http://openvmshobbyist.org/get_yer_licenses/third_party_sw.html >>L >> ========================================================================= >>K >> If this is for commercial use, you will need to contact HP, a HP VAR, or @ >> a third party company (e.g. CHARON-VAX reseller) to order the! >> appropriate licensed software.  >>I >> I know for sure that SIMH can run every single VAX version between 1.5  >> and 7.3 (the most current). >>G >> SIMH can emulate the VAX 11/780 for versions between VMS 1.5 through H >> 6.2, and can emulate a modified version of the KA655 processor -- aka* >> MicroVAX 3900 -- for VMS 5.1 and later. >>J >> CHARON-VAX can run at least VMS V4.6 or V5.5-2H4, depending on what VAX >> hardware is being emulated. >>G >> HP's list of minimum and maximum VMS version for any given hardware:  >>9 >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/HW_SUPPORTCHART.HTML  >> >> -Dan  >  > G > I made a download from charon-vax (vax for windows demonstration),and  > I'm not satisfied I > with this software. Where is lexical functions , show system commands ,  > etc ?? >   J I suspect that  "(vax for windows demonstration)"  is critical!  In other * words, it may be just that a simulation...  L For something free, that works - you can try SIMH as detailed above.  It is H a full blown vax emulator - but you do need to get software & license -  again as described above...   L SIMH is as close as you will get to the real thing - without the hardware.. K If you are network connected (e.g. via telnet) I challenge anyone to prove  M that they are running on an emulated system (at least anyone who is not very  8 familar with what a typical SimH configuration would be)  J I am probably overstating the case - but if you want to play with a VAX - 8 from a software perspective - then SimH is the way to go   Villy    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:37:51 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Virtual VMS; Message-ID: <4532fe8f.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   # Mario <mario@dominio1.local> wrote: I > I was told it is possible to emulate VMS in a virtual environment: can  5 > anybody please provide pointers to such siolutions?   I There are plans to integrate OpenVMS into HP's Virtual Server Environment  (VSE) which is HP/UX based.   M I just learned that with the arrival of Montecito, this will now be possible, K as Montecito comes with a flag named "is_vm". This provides the access mode , for the virtualization monitor to run under.   cu,    Martin --  >                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  Microsoft wants        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.568 ************************