1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 569       Contents: Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Death of VMS' DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down  Re: DS10L to a good home... ) Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-2 + Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input   Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start  Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start Re: VAX Throttle under SIMH  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  Re: Virtual VMS  VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  RE: VMS is younger than Windows & Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX& Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX& Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX& Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX Re: We BUY Alpha systems  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:25:21 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> $ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMSI Message-ID: <8660a3a10610160325n3bdcf9cbrc9024206a4742a2e@mail.gmail.com>   / On 10/12/06, H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote:  > / > <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> schreef in bericht > > news:1160664751.942238.188550@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...	 > > Hello F > > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toH > > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. IK > > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 2 > > someone has them already I would like to know.
 > > thanks > > phil > >  > M > I have a bumper sticker that reads "Celebrating VAX/VMS at 20 nothing stops  > it" (Thanks Sue! :-)1 > If you like I can scan it and post the picture.  >  > Hans >  >  >   ? I have that one also, and another that reads "I (heart) my VAX"    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:46:04 GMT A From: "Charlie McCutcheon" <charlie.mccutcheon.removetext@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Death of VMS 1 Message-ID: <w2MYg.1118$LR4.866@news.cpqcorp.net>   H > Ada 93 on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha is provided by us.  Ada 95 on H > OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 is provided by AdaCore (www.adacore.com)  K VAX/DEC/Compaq/HP Ada is the  Ada 83 language standard, there isn't any 93.   ? On VAX it does use the common VCG back end (written in PL/1)...    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 08:15:39 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>0 Subject: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it downB Message-ID: <1161011739.609266.40150@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   My DS10L is misbehaving.  < DS10L 6/466, 1GB memory (compatible, not Compaq), KZPBA SCSID controller, Quantum Viking II 4.5GB UWSE drive, attached BA364 tower" with two UWSE disks and one CDROM.  # OpenVMS V8.2, patched up to 6/2006.   D The system ran completely reliably  for months.  About 3 weeks ago IG found it not responding, though I could still get into the RMC from the ? console.  Rebooted, ran about a week then hung again.  Each run E interval got shorter until now it will sometimes stay up less than 30 D minutes after a long powerdown; a simple powercycle will usually not. get all the way through a boot before hanging.  E A temp monitor run when VMS is up shows system temp at 26C after long A powerdown, and peaking at 40C during mid day when the room is the D warmest.  The system has plenty of open ventilation space, and has a: small desk fan blowing at its front panel (unchanged since installation).  F There are no error messages, no crash, no log entries.  It just stops.G RMC is still accessible, but performing a reset has only worked once to A reboot; usually a power cycle is required to even get to the SRM. F Front panel HALT, console BREAK and console CTRL-P do nothing when itsD in this state (CTRL-P definitely halts the system when its operating
 normally).  @ I had one test where I was in SRM, not having booted yet, and itA stopped responding, so I'm pretty sure its system hardware, not a C problem with the SCSI controller or drives.  Further testing needed  there since it was a one-shot.   Work done so far: * - ran without external drives (still hung)G - pulled and reseated SCSI card and memory (both risers and DIMMs) with  static protection F - removed heat sink to verify (after seeing pics of overheated units);F the CPU and heat sink looked fine but the grafoil pad was wrinkled andF twisted around the studs a bit.  I pulled it, cleaned the surfaces and+ used a high quality thermal grease instead. G - verified all fans are operating, and the little flexible air dams are  properly located.   F The system is still hanging after a short period of operations.  Still no errors or log messages.  F Next test will be to pull the SCSI controller and just play with it atG SRM level to see what happens.  The POST does pass, a memory test seems F to pass.  No memory errors were logged at VMS level.  I'll run as many4 tests as possible at the SRM level as soon as I can.  G This is a hobby system, so no support contract.  Thanks for any advice.    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:56:25 -0400 < From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down0 Message-ID: <12j7atin26q0f20@news.supernews.com>  ( Sounds like a power supply problem to me- We have seen this several times when it was.. # We have them in stock for about $89    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message < news:1161011739.609266.40150@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > My DS10L is misbehaving. > > > DS10L 6/466, 1GB memory (compatible, not Compaq), KZPBA SCSIF > controller, Quantum Viking II 4.5GB UWSE drive, attached BA364 tower$ > with two UWSE disks and one CDROM. > % > OpenVMS V8.2, patched up to 6/2006.  > F > The system ran completely reliably  for months.  About 3 weeks ago II > found it not responding, though I could still get into the RMC from the A > console.  Rebooted, ran about a week then hung again.  Each run G > interval got shorter until now it will sometimes stay up less than 30 F > minutes after a long powerdown; a simple powercycle will usually not0 > get all the way through a boot before hanging. > G > A temp monitor run when VMS is up shows system temp at 26C after long C > powerdown, and peaking at 40C during mid day when the room is the F > warmest.  The system has plenty of open ventilation space, and has a< > small desk fan blowing at its front panel (unchanged since > installation). > H > There are no error messages, no crash, no log entries.  It just stops.I > RMC is still accessible, but performing a reset has only worked once to C > reboot; usually a power cycle is required to even get to the SRM. H > Front panel HALT, console BREAK and console CTRL-P do nothing when itsF > in this state (CTRL-P definitely halts the system when its operating > normally). > B > I had one test where I was in SRM, not having booted yet, and itC > stopped responding, so I'm pretty sure its system hardware, not a E > problem with the SCSI controller or drives.  Further testing needed   > there since it was a one-shot. >  > Work done so far: , > - ran without external drives (still hung)I > - pulled and reseated SCSI card and memory (both risers and DIMMs) with  > static protection H > - removed heat sink to verify (after seeing pics of overheated units);H > the CPU and heat sink looked fine but the grafoil pad was wrinkled andH > twisted around the studs a bit.  I pulled it, cleaned the surfaces and- > used a high quality thermal grease instead. I > - verified all fans are operating, and the little flexible air dams are  > properly located.  > H > The system is still hanging after a short period of operations.  Still > no errors or log messages. > H > Next test will be to pull the SCSI controller and just play with it atI > SRM level to see what happens.  The POST does pass, a memory test seems H > to pass.  No memory errors were logged at VMS level.  I'll run as many6 > tests as possible at the SRM level as soon as I can. > I > This is a hobby system, so no support contract.  Thanks for any advice.  >  > Rich >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 09:01:57 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it downC Message-ID: <1161014517.212532.242150@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: * > Sounds like a power supply problem to me/ > We have seen this several times when it was.. % > We have them in stock for about $89  >  > DT >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > 5 > "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message > > news:1161011739.609266.40150@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > My DS10L is misbehaving. > > @ > > DS10L 6/466, 1GB memory (compatible, not Compaq), KZPBA SCSIH > > controller, Quantum Viking II 4.5GB UWSE drive, attached BA364 tower& > > with two UWSE disks and one CDROM. > > ' > > OpenVMS V8.2, patched up to 6/2006.  > > H > > The system ran completely reliably  for months.  About 3 weeks ago IK > > found it not responding, though I could still get into the RMC from the C > > console.  Rebooted, ran about a week then hung again.  Each run I > > interval got shorter until now it will sometimes stay up less than 30 H > > minutes after a long powerdown; a simple powercycle will usually not2 > > get all the way through a boot before hanging. > > I > > A temp monitor run when VMS is up shows system temp at 26C after long E > > powerdown, and peaking at 40C during mid day when the room is the H > > warmest.  The system has plenty of open ventilation space, and has a> > > small desk fan blowing at its front panel (unchanged since > > installation). > > J > > There are no error messages, no crash, no log entries.  It just stops.K > > RMC is still accessible, but performing a reset has only worked once to E > > reboot; usually a power cycle is required to even get to the SRM. J > > Front panel HALT, console BREAK and console CTRL-P do nothing when itsH > > in this state (CTRL-P definitely halts the system when its operating > > normally). > > D > > I had one test where I was in SRM, not having booted yet, and itE > > stopped responding, so I'm pretty sure its system hardware, not a G > > problem with the SCSI controller or drives.  Further testing needed " > > there since it was a one-shot. > >  > > Work done so far: . > > - ran without external drives (still hung)K > > - pulled and reseated SCSI card and memory (both risers and DIMMs) with  > > static protection J > > - removed heat sink to verify (after seeing pics of overheated units);J > > the CPU and heat sink looked fine but the grafoil pad was wrinkled andJ > > twisted around the studs a bit.  I pulled it, cleaned the surfaces and/ > > used a high quality thermal grease instead. K > > - verified all fans are operating, and the little flexible air dams are  > > properly located.  > > J > > The system is still hanging after a short period of operations.  Still > > no errors or log messages. > > J > > Next test will be to pull the SCSI controller and just play with it atK > > SRM level to see what happens.  The POST does pass, a memory test seems J > > to pass.  No memory errors were logged at VMS level.  I'll run as many8 > > tests as possible at the SRM level as soon as I can. > > K > > This is a hobby system, so no support contract.  Thanks for any advice.  > >  > > Rich > >    David,G      thanks for responding.  That was further down on my test schedule; @ I think we have a spare DS10 power supply so I should be able toD test/verify it; I can also check output voltages and see if anythingA obvious shows up.  If thats the problem I guess I'll be in touch.    Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 06:50:02 -0700 From: alanb@cloud9.net$ Subject: Re: DS10L to a good home...A Message-ID: <1161006602.850440.26450@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Hal Kuff wrote: K > We have two DS10L systems that work but are no longer practical for us... K > free to a good hopefully local home.... in the baltimore/washington area, H > drop me a note kuff at tessco dot com ... openvms hobbyist only please  9 I would love to have them. Am in NY area but can pick up.     Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:48:44 -0400 & From: "Hal Kuff" <halkuff@verizon.net>2 Subject: Re: F$getdvi Multipath for version V7.3-20 Message-ID: <OJOYg.98126$Ri3.36246@newsfe14.lga>  L Yea, was hoping it was undocumented but in 8.x .. we will be upgrading soon M in any case... Thanxs.! (By all means send the dcl to kuff at tessco dot com  0 as an extension of *.hhk as we strip .com files)    = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  D news:paul.sture.nospam-FEEC9B.01125016102006@mac.sture.homeip.net..., > In article <FzyYg.7945$6D3.4860@trnddc01>,) > "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net> wrote:  > L >>     Hi, yes that yields the controller type.. in this case an HSV210 and  >> theL >> second symbol the local host name since it is presented to the local node  >> via SSP ... thanks though...! > I > Sorry. Looking at the problem again, here's a full list of the f$getdvi B > arguments which contain the string "path", valid as at VMS V8.2. >  > AVAILABLE_PATH_COUNT > MPDEV_AUTO_PATH_SW_CNT > MPDEV_CURRENT_PATH > MPDEV_MAN_PATH_SW_CNT  > MULTIPATH  > PATH_AVAILABLE > PATH_NOT_RESPONDING  > PATH_POLL_ENABLED  > PATH_SWITCH_FROM_TIME  > PATH_SWITCH_TO_TIME  > PATH_USER_DISABLED > TOTAL_PATH_COUNT > F > While I'm at it, I have some bits of DCL which will produce a simpleE > list of all the available returns from f$getdvi for a given device, * > which I can zip up and mail if you wish. >  > --  
 > Paul Sture     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 08:43:46 -0700 From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com4 Subject: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputB Message-ID: <1161013425.859414.25480@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  	 Hi folks:   - I need create a command procedure  like this:    $ @reading_tapes  $    Please enter tape number:  ______  ,    Please tape tag data:____________________   $   @ I want limit in 6 numerical characters tape number input, with a underscored line (like above).     Regards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:17:35 -0400 ) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputH Message-ID: <7dd80f60610160917p61d56b2djf5f79731fc0ba2f5@mail.gmail.com>  7 On 16 Oct 2006 08:43:46 -0700, apogeusistemas@gmail.com ! <apogeusistemas@gmail.com> wrote:  > Hi folks:  > / > I need create a command procedure  like this:  >  > $ @reading_tapes > & >    Please enter tape number:  ______ > . >    Please tape tag data:____________________ >  > $  > B > I want limit in 6 numerical characters tape number input, with a  > underscored line (like above).  E You can't limit the number of characters input directly with DCL, but F you can put logic in the procedure to reject a string that is too long, and reprompt or truncate it to 6 characters.C You can also check whether the input is numerical or not. Check the > help on the lexical functions f$type, f$length, and f$extract.   Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:30:36 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> 8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input/ Message-ID: <1161016241.97113@nntp.acecape.com>    apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > Hi folks:  > / > I need create a command procedure  like this:  >  > $ @reading_tapes > & >    Please enter tape number:  ______ > . >    Please tape tag data:____________________ >  > $  > B > I want limit in 6 numerical characters tape number input, with a  > underscored line (like above). >  > 
 > Regards.  B Use READS to get input. Use f$length to determine length validity.A If the length is not the desired value, write sys$output an error & message and loop back for input again.  @ Anything fancier, and you need to interface with a forms manager? application that will do what you what for the specific type of A terminal or emulation program involved. You most likely also have B to use a language able to communicate with the forms manager qapi.   sol    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 09:22:24 -0700 From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputC Message-ID: <1161015744.689887.172650@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Ken Robinson wrote: 9 > On 16 Oct 2006 08:43:46 -0700, apogeusistemas@gmail.com # > <apogeusistemas@gmail.com> wrote: 
 > > Hi folks:  > > 1 > > I need create a command procedure  like this:  > >  > > $ @reading_tapes > > ( > >    Please enter tape number:  ______ > > 0 > >    Please tape tag data:____________________ > >  > > $  > > D > > I want limit in 6 numerical characters tape number input, with a" > > underscored line (like above). > G > You can't limit the number of characters input directly with DCL, but H > you can put logic in the procedure to reject a string that is too long. > and reprompt or truncate it to 6 characters.E > You can also check whether the input is numerical or not. Check the @ > help on the lexical functions f$type, f$length, and f$extract. >  > Ken   E Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt  using DCL ? 
 Like this:    Please, enter tape number:______   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:51:09 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> 8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610161049210.5212@localhost.localdomain>  3 On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:   G > Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt 
 > using DCL ?  > Like this: > " > Please, enter tape number:______   Something like this:        $ bs[0,8]=87      $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs *      $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num      Enter number:  ______     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 10:15:07 -0700 From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputB Message-ID: <1161018907.408605.84480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Rob Brown wrote:5 > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > I > > Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt  > > using DCL ?  > > Like this: > > $ > > Please, enter tape number:______ >  > Something like this: >  >      $ bs[0,8]=89 >      $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs , >      $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num >      Enter number:  ______ >  >  > -- > ) Running this procedure nothing happens... D > Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m8 > G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)6 > Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)4 >                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:36:16 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure inputQ Message-ID: <OFB268F831.C3F0F3A8-ON85257209.00602B40-85257209.0060B404@metso.com>   0 I do not get what you mean by "nothing happens."( The value is stored in the symbol "num".   $! Try this: $ bs[0,8]=8 2 $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs% $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num  $ show symbol num    ===   
 $ $ bs[0,8]=8 9 $      $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs , $      $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num Enter number:  ______  [cursor here   ^     ] [Type "a".]  Enter number:  a_____  [cursor here    ^    ] Finish typing "bcdef<cr>"  Enter number:  abcdef 
 $ sho sym num    NUM = "abcdef"   === 9 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote on 10/16/2006 01:15:07 PM:    >  > Rob Brown wrote:7 > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > > K > > > Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt  > > > using DCL ?  > > > Like this: > > > & > > > Please, enter tape number:______ > >  > > Something like this: > >  > >      $ bs[0,8]=8; > >      $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs . > >      $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num > >      Enter number:  ______ > >  > >  > > -- > > + > Running this procedure nothing happens... F > > Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m: > > G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)8 > > Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)6 > >                                   http://gmcl.com/ >    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2006 23:22:31 -0700 From: bob.birch@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start C Message-ID: <1160979751.250682.219600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Ian King wrote:  > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: > > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: > >  > >>Ian King wrote:  > >>2 > >>>David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: > >>>  > [snip] > >  > >  > > I see you cheated : ) > > http://vaxine.bitcon.no/section6.html   > > you bypassed the xsformer... > >  > > G > No transformer on this one - from what I've read, the transformer was % > only installed for the 50Hz models.  > I > As far as "220v", I'm just saying it's not 110.  I haven't measured it; I > I understand it's probably 208v.  It's what comes out of the wall for a I > dryer or some such in the US.  Per the article you cite, I've hooked it A > up with just L1 and L2.  I do have 300-ish volts at each of the 4 > regulators - most expecially, the offending H7215. > B > I tried unplugging the output connector for the H7215 - no help. > Behavior is the same.  -- Ian   D I don't have the prints for the 6000 or P/S thus making it harder to. trbleshoot but you can do a few things, maybe;F     - get down to a basic machine eliminate, disconnect the BI option,A        regulators. cables. If it fails, start looking at  the XMI 
 backplane.G        Plus you will draw less power, 3.5KVA versus 2.5KVA (per manual)   ?        from your 220vac source,if you input power was marginal. C     - Check for all the ground straps are present and secure on the  regulators,         backplanes D      - If you can, isolate the XMI backplave and meter for shorts on(       the voltages runs fed by the H7215G     - If the H7214, H7215 and H7242 regulators have the same type quick 
 disconnectC       pwr cables, swap them among regulators and see if the sympton  changes.& Without the prints just a few WAGS....     > G > >>The load on the XMI H7215 output can it be isolated and metered for  > >>shorts,etc. B > >>If it briefly comes on then shuts down, it mite see a short or > >>something it doesn't like. > >> > >>K > >>>>Have you had anything replaced by maintenance org that may be voltage  > >>>>sensitive? > >>> L > >>>Nope.  I bought the machine on eBay, supposedly working <grrr>, from anO > >>>intermediate party.  In other words, I don't know who last had it running.  > >>>  > >>> ; > >>>>"Ian King" <iking@cs.washington.edu> wrote in message 1 > >>>>news:J6z9pK.rHn@beaver.cs.washington.edu...  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>All,  > >>>>> 7 > >>>>>In the continuing saga of one man's VAX 6660....  > >>>>> Q > >>>>>To quickly recap: when powered up, the machine's front panel lights up for P > >>>>>about five seconds, then goes dark; the fans continue to run.  The H7206BP > >>>>>shows an error LED claiming there's an XMI-1 card in the XMI-2 backplane;P > >>>>>examination shows this is not true, and the same error shows even with NOQ > >>>>>cards in the XMI backplane.  The H7214 and H7242 regulators show DC OK for K > >>>>>that five seconds, then go dark.  The H7215 never shows DC OK.  This O > >>>>>machine also has VAXBI, and that side's regulators show DC OK; I swapped O > >>>>>the H7215s between XMI and VAXBI, and either H7215 works on the BI side,  > >>>>>but not the XMI side. > >>>>> Q > >>>>>The last thing I was asked was: does the XMI-side H7215 show ANY activity, M > >>>>>i.e. hook up a scope to its output and see if it ever flickers.  I did Q > >>>>>this, and the answer is yes: there is a very brief output voltage (I tried - > >>>>>this on three different output lines).  > >>>>> O > >>>>>I've replaced the H7206B AND the control/status cable between the H7206B O > >>>>>and the XMI regulators AND the XTC sequencer.  I've compared voltages at N > >>>>>the various pins of the control connector on the respective H7215s and,N > >>>>>while they differ, I do not have any information that tells me which is
 > >>>>>which.  > >>>>> P > >>>>>So I'm still hoping to find someone who has deeper knowledge of the powerO > >>>>>system and is willing to share.  I really wish I could find someone with M > >>>>>schematics of the H7206B and XTC sequencer, as it's plausible that the P > >>>>>replacements don't work, either.  In fact, the H7206B has an odd symptom:M > >>>>>its internal fan does not turn.  I had intended to replace it but, for Q > >>>>>some reason, decided to test the existing fan before I did: it worked fine M > >>>>>on a bench supply.  It looks like it feeds off the same 24v as the big O > >>>>>cabinet fans (which I've verified are really powered and turning).  This ? > >>>>>symptom exists in both the original and the replacement.  > >>>>> P > >>>>>Does anyone perhaps have any additional service information in an old boxL > >>>>>of fiche?  (I have all the usual "owner's documentation," such as theP > >>>>>technical information manual, maintenance guide, etc.)  Schematics, or at0 > >>>>>least logic diagrams, would sure help.... > >>>>> P > >>>>>Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the saga of my large room > >>>>>fan....  -- Ian > >>>>> 5 > >>>>>iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:07:49 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start 9 Message-ID: <EZWdnb4kAp04pq7YnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@libcom.com>    bob.birch@gmail.com wrote:   <snip past posts>   D I haven't followed this thread, but, my memory is that the VAX 6000 0 required 3-phase power.  My memory may be wrong.  I I didn't see any mention of 3-phase in some of the prior posts.  Are you   using 3-phase 220 power?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 07:37:50 -0700 From: bob.birch@gmail.com ) Subject: Re: VAX 6000 still doesn't start C Message-ID: <1161009470.776749.201480@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > bob.birch@gmail.com wrote: >  > <snip past posts>  > E > I haven't followed this thread, but, my memory is that the VAX 6000 2 > required 3-phase power.  My memory may be wrong. > J > I didn't see any mention of 3-phase in some of the prior posts.  Are you > using 3-phase 220 power?  < No, there's a hack on the web to cheat and use single phase:% http://vaxine.bitcon.no/section6.html F scroll down to "6.5 Can I convert my big VAX' 3-phase power-supply for	 home use?    Thats what I think he did....    >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:51:40 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> $ Subject: Re: VAX Throttle under SIMH+ Message-ID: <4phoc8FirulbU2@individual.net>   * On 2006-10-15 02:27, "Villy Madsen" wrote:   > [...]  > 9 > could you send me an e-mail  or leave a posting on here  > G > if you are using or have used from throttled version of the SIMH VAX  
 > emulator  H I'm just starting to play a bit with SimH (v3.6-1) -- but I really don'tG like my notebook to be running at 100% CPU utilization all the time. (I F guess I've to order a replacement fan before doing serious testing ;-)   > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 00:47:06 -0700- From: "Wilm Boerhout" <w5.boerhout@planet.nl>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMSC Message-ID: <1160984826.300703.285460@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ! apogeusistemas@gmail.com schreef:   G > I made a download from charon-vax (vax for windows demonstration),and  > I'm not satisfied I > with this software. Where is lexical functions , show system commands ,  > etc ??  < Please note that CHARON-VAX and SIMH emulate VAX *hardware*.  C What you then do, as others have specified, is run standard VAX/VMS F licensed *software* on top of it. Neither the makers of CHARON-VAX norD the makers of SIMH are in a position to distribute VAX/VMS software.  E CHARON-VAX packages a version of VAX-ELN (i.e. not VAX/VMS) operating D system software with their demo package. This is not VMS, as you mayG have noticed. For legal and licensed access to VAX/VMS, you may want to F enroll in the hobbyist program. VAX hardware supports a (small) numberD of OS software besides VAX VMS, such as VAX/Ultrix, NetBSD, VAX-ELN.   Wilm   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 09:35:30 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMSB Message-ID: <1161016529.950751.55720@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D As stated by others, you must install OpenVMS on top of the hardwareB emulation software.  Once you have the emulator configuration fileE right, installing VMS works just like the real VAX hardware.  Getting $ the configuration file right is key.  ? FYI:  There is also a CHARON-VAX hobbiest kit for OpenVMS Alpha  systems.   Bruce Claremont  www.MigrationSpecialties.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:52:21 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMS5 Message-ID: <slrnej7e65.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   i In article <1161016529.950751.55720@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bclaremont <msi1@earthlink.net> wrote:  > A > FYI:  There is also a CHARON-VAX hobbiest kit for OpenVMS Alpha 
 > systems.  C I'm not sure I'd recommend that one for personal use because of its C limitations such as 64 MB of emulated RAM, as well as its disk size  limitations.  D It's suitable for evaluation purposes, but I wouldn't say it'd be as useful for personal use.  F SIMH has much fewer limitations, making it more ideally positioned forF personal use. (I would agree that for commercial use, the full version of CHARON-VAX is hard to beat.)   H I don't know the intentions of the original poster: is he seeking to use? this commercially or for personal use? He'd get better targeted 1 information if he had indicated which one it was.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:54:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: VMS is younger than Windows, Message-ID: <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>  M VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember correctly).   H When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of years ago ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:17:16 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows+ Message-ID: <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>   \ In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:N >VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember correctly). > I >When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of  >years ago ?  O But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat later ' than originally intended by Microsoft).   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:50:22 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows0 Message-ID: <00A5D480.325A52C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L In article <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >  > ] >In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: O >>VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember correctly).  >>J >>When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of
 >>years ago ?  > P >But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat later( >than originally intended by Microsoft).  % They had alot of code to comment out:   9 /*   printf("Weendoze XP")  */  /* same bugs, new name */   9      printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:13:27 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than WindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-74C8A4.15132716102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  E In article <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk   wrote:  8 > In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:E > >VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember   > >correctly). > > K > >When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of  > >years ago ? > L > But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat / > later than originally intended by Microsoft).  >   G Your usage of "somewhat later" in this context is a perfect example of   British understatement. :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:47:00 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows, Message-ID: <eh02gk$3kk$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-74C8A4.15132716102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:F >In article <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  >wrote:  > 9 >> In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei  ) >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: F >> >VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember  >> >correctly).  >> >L >> >When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of >> >years ago ?  >>  M >> But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat  0 >> later than originally intended by Microsoft). >>   > H >Your usage of "somewhat later" in this context is a perfect example of  >British understatement. :-) >   D Yes I know - I should have included my own smiley with that comment.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >--  >Paul Sture    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:40:25 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than WindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-E8A2A7.15402516102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <egvtgt$21u$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  N > In article <00A5D480.325A52C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG 	 > writes: O > >In article <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  > >> > >>: > >>In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei * > >><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G > >>>VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember   > >>>correctly). > >>> M > >>>When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of  > >>>years ago ? > >>N > >>But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat 	 > >>later + > >>than originally intended by Microsoft).  > > ( > >They had alot of code to comment out: > > < > >/*   printf("Weendoze XP")  */  /* same bugs, new name */ > > < > >     printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */ > >  > O > No be fair - I'm sure they have spent a lot of effort in putting in new bugs.  > N > Which transition was it (NT to XP or something else) where the publicity forN > the new version was that it fixed a gazillion bugs affecting the old versionK > (while of course up until the release they had been claiming that the old  > version was secure). >   F NOt sure, but I do remember Loudmouth Ballmer reckoning that XP would F increase productivity because you would typically save an hour a week I (or do I mean day?) because XP was more stable than the previous release.   H Think on this. In 1997 I wrote an equivalent of SHOW SYSTEM for NT 4.0. G I was advised then that NT 5 was just around the corner and would work  ? differently in this respect [1], and I should program for that.   H At the time, NT 5 was slated as coming pretty soon, but didn't actually 3 arrive until 2000, when it was called Windies 2000.   G [1] the idea was to take a system snapshot, then do the reporting; not   such a bad idea.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:23:09 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows, Message-ID: <eh084t$5aa$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  | In article <paul.sture.nospam-E8A2A7.15402516102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:G >In article <egvtgt$21u$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk   >wrote:  > O >> In article <00A5D480.325A52C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  
 >> writes:P >> >In article <egvpns$sf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >> >>  >> >> ; >> >>In article <4533649C.D1BA69B9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei  + >> >><jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: H >> >>>VMS' current version is 8.3. Released in 2006 (july if I remember  >> >>>correctly).  >> >>>N >> >>>When was the last Windows release made (XP SP-2) ? Wasn't it a number of >> >>>years ago ?  >> >> O >> >>But the next version of Windows  (Vista) is due out soon (though somewhat  
 >> >>later, >> >>than originally intended by Microsoft). >> >) >> >They had alot of code to comment out:  >> >= >> >/*   printf("Weendoze XP")  */  /* same bugs, new name */  >> >= >> >     printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */  >> > >>  P >> No be fair - I'm sure they have spent a lot of effort in putting in new bugs. >>  O >> Which transition was it (NT to XP or something else) where the publicity for O >> the new version was that it fixed a gazillion bugs affecting the old version L >> (while of course up until the release they had been claiming that the old >> version was secure).  >>    / Looks like it was the pre-publicity for WNT 5.0    " O Windows NT 5.0 is an evolutionary, not revolutionary, release of the Windows NT I operating system. While there are important new features in this release, N version 5.0 will build on a proven system architecture and incorporate tens ofG thousands of bug fixes from version 4.0. -- from the Microsoft web site    "    see   @ http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jec/texts/quotations-computing.html    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     > G >NOt sure, but I do remember Loudmouth Ballmer reckoning that XP would  G >increase productivity because you would typically save an hour a week  J >(or do I mean day?) because XP was more stable than the previous release. > I >Think on this. In 1997 I wrote an equivalent of SHOW SYSTEM for NT 4.0.  H >I was advised then that NT 5 was just around the corner and would work @ >differently in this respect [1], and I should program for that. > I >At the time, NT 5 was slated as coming pretty soon, but didn't actually  4 >arrive until 2000, when it was called Windies 2000. > H >[1] the idea was to take a system snapshot, then do the reporting; not  >such a bad idea.  >  >--  >Paul Sture    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 10:21:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows3 Message-ID: <dfdaJPRT4+So@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A5D480.325A52C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > ' > They had alot of code to comment out:  > ; > /*   printf("Weendoze XP")  */  /* same bugs, new name */  > ; >      printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */   F    Yes, that's what caused the delay.  The new programmers kept doing:  < /*   printf("Weendoze XP")      /* same bugs, new name */ */   9      printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:38:06 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than WindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-CDA9C4.17380616102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <eh02gk$3kk$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  M > In article <paul.sture.nospam-74C8A4.15132716102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,  3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > > J > >Your usage of "somewhat later" in this context is a perfect example of  > >British understatement. :-) > >  > F > Yes I know - I should have included my own smiley with that comment.  ' That would have invalidated my comment.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:18:42 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows$ Message-ID: <45333252.60007@srv.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:W > In article <00A5D480.325A52C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > ' >>They had alot of code to comment out:  >>; >>/*   printf("Weendoze XP")  */  /* same bugs, new name */  >>; >>     printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */  >  > H >    Yes, that's what caused the delay.  The new programmers kept doing: > > > /*   printf("Weendoze XP")      /* same bugs, new name */ */ >   ; >      printf("Weendoze Vista)    /* same bugs, new name */  >   C Then they had to run through it all again to add the missing quote.   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:45:33 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ( Subject: RE: VMS is younger than WindowsT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401BF4014@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch]=20   > Sent: October 16, 2006 9:40 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows >=20  
 [Snip ...]  @ > Think on this. In 1997 I wrote an equivalent of SHOW SYSTEM=20 > for NT 4.0.=20@ > I was advised then that NT 5 was just around the corner and=20= > would work differently in this respect [1], and I should=20  > program for that.  >=20< > At the time, NT 5 was slated as coming pretty soon, but=20E > didn't actually arrive until 2000, when it was called Windies 2000.  >=20< > [1] the idea was to take a system snapshot, then do the=20! > reporting; not such a bad idea.  >=20 > -- > Paul Sture >=20   Paul,=20  H Windows NT5 aka Windows 2000 aka "Cairo" was actually a great example ofB how to compensate for extremely long delays in a product by simplyD changing the name and the hype at different points. Windows 2000 wasE released in late 2000, but NT5 and Cairo were supposed to be released  *many* years before.  
 Check out:H http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,69882,00.ht ml  E "The year is 1992. Jim Allchin reveals Microsoft's plans to deliver a H version of Windows NT, code-named Cairo, in 1994. Cairo is slated to useH an Object File Store (OFS) as its file system. OFS is an object-oriented? database designed to make it easy to search documents and other 5 structured data by content. Fast forward to 2002...."   H Note that Microsoft finally gave up on the OFS (also known as WinFS) forD Vista and it looks like it might be semi-permanent in the sense thatG they are now talking about accomplishing the goals of WinFS using other  approaches.   G http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1640480,00.asp (WinFS removed from  "Longhorn") ? http://www.eweek.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=3D182074,00.asp=20    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 10:02:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <pEwO9dOhv5JT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <egoov101qm1@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: > VAXman- wrote:o >> In article <041701c6eed4$24b88df0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>, "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> writes: J >> >CHARON-VAX, CHARON-AXP and PersonalAlpha all have networking support. J >> >Yesterday I had CHARON-VAX (VMS 7.3) and PersonalAlpha (VMS 8.3) both I >> >running at the same time on my laptop. I have had CHARON-VAX join my  N >> >AXP/IA64 cluster before and I was tempted to try clustering my CHARON-VAX L >> >and PersonalAlpha both running on the same laptop but I ran out of time. > G >> I was under the impression that these "products" were Weendoze only.  > D > I believe some of them support Linux (as well as OpenVMS/Alpha andL > OpenVMS/ia64), however, if you want something for a Mac laptop you'll need > to try SIMH. > G > My question would be, do *any* of the emulators support "idling" on a K > laptop?  You really don't want the emulation driving the host CPU at 100% ' > all the time, especially on a laptop.   I    In order to get out of the idle loop on a simulator, you need to patch C    VMS.  It's not something the simulator can easily do on its own. =    IIRC SRI will give you such a patch for VMS on Charon-VAX.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 10:03:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <EhmaUq1qeB6C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <slrneivsa7.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes: _ > In article <egoov101qm1@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote:  >>H >> My question would be, do *any* of the emulators support "idling" on aL >> laptop?  You really don't want the emulation driving the host CPU at 100%( >> all the time, especially on a laptop. > > > SIMH does, with Villy Madsen's patch. CHARON-* does as well.  H    Where can we find Villy's patch?  This is the first I've heard of it.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2006 10:03:39 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX 3 Message-ID: <K8K0eDVNMdIc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <egp9kc02mbi@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:( > Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:` >> In article <egoov101qm1@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote: >> >J >> > My question would be, do *any* of the emulators support "idling" on aN >> > laptop?  You really don't want the emulation driving the host CPU at 100%* >> > all the time, especially on a laptop. > ? >> SIMH does, with Villy Madsen's patch. CHARON-* does as well.  > L > Is the patch host OS specific, or host OS neutral?  I've a system or two I > might consider running it on.   -    It should be a patch to VMS, not the host.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:51:06 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> / Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX + Message-ID: <4phoc7FirulbU1@individual.net>   # On 2006-10-13 15:53, "FredK" wrote:    > I still have my Tadpole ;-)   H Wasn't that "AlphaBook" built using an inferior Alpha CPU (21066, IIRC)?   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:25:13 -0400 < From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>! Subject: Re: We BUY Alpha systems 0 Message-ID: <12j7220kpc3ul3a@news.supernews.com>   No  B I have about 300+ DS10L 466Mhz systems, but very few of the 617MhzE Some customers insist on the EV67 617 version - ergo I am looking for  these...  5 If anyone has DS10 617 I am interested in those too !    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message $ news:45314a3c@news.langstoeger.at...G > In article <op.the0vazdzgicya@murphus>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  writes: 6 > >On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:13:55 -0700, Michael Moroney+ > ><moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: 4 > >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >>+ > >>> "Island Computers, D B Turner" wrote: ' > >>>> Alphaserver DS10L 617Mhz Systems  > >>/ > >>> How much would you give for for a DS10L ?  > >>C > >>> (The one I just got from you for free :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)  > >>I > >> I find it odd he's looking for any DS10L's, even if only the 617 MHz I > >> version.  I figure if he's giving them away, he probably has about 5  > >> warehouses full of 'em. > >  > >Shouldn't that be 667?  > 3 > No, the XP1000 is 500/667, the DS10[L] is 466/617  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.569 ************************